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NFT: Brewers VS Mets Game 2. STREAAAAK!!!!

ZGiants98 : 4/14/2018 5:59 pm
Mets Lineup

Michael Conforto CF
Asdrubal Cabrera 2B
Yoenis Cespedes LF
Jay Bruce RF
Adrian Gonzalez 1B
Todd Frazier 3B
Amed Rosario SS
Jose Lobaton C
Matt Harvey P
Brewers Lineup

Lorenzo Cain CF
Eric Thames 1B
Ryan Braun LF
Travis Shaw 3B
Domingo Santana RF
Eric Sogard SS
Jonathan Villar 2B
Jett Bandy C
Chase Anderson P

I feel like this will be a real tough test for Harvey tonight. Chase Anderson was damn good last year. The Mets have the best record in baseball though! Lets fucking keep this streak going! LGM!
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RE: Oh, and the offense can start clicking any day now.  
Rory : 4/14/2018 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13914395 PhiPsi125 said:
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Can live very long on only clutch hits.


Anderson just got the hook lol, I feel this Brewers bullpen can get worked on
Weird that Anderson is coming out of the game.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/14/2018 9:24 pm : link
Fortunately for him, the temperature went up 20 degrees every time he took the mound so he didnít have to deal with the same shitty conditions as Harvey did.
We've all said Harvey looked like crap tonight  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2018 9:28 pm : link
Nobody is making excuses for him.
Anderson is the ace of the Brewers and  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2018 9:29 pm : link
one of the best pitchers in the NL. This game looked lopsided on the calendar all week IMO.
Sewald is retiring these Milwaukee hitters  
Chris684 : 4/14/2018 9:34 pm : link
fast and furious
What a depressing sight  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2018 9:35 pm : link
when you look at Sewald pitch vs what Harvey was throwing.
Didnt realize  
Rory : 4/14/2018 9:35 pm : link
Sewald was another mult inning guy. Great debut, guy deserves a win
RE: We've all said Harvey looked like crap tonight  
PhiPsi125 : 4/14/2018 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13914405 ZGiants98 said:
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Nobody is making excuses for him.


Iím just joking around but when you say at the beginning of the game that he has to deal with shitty conditions...you are making an excuse.

Harvey isnít a good pitcher, unfortunately. Lord knows Iíd love him to be one. But the occasional quality start wonít make him a good pitcher. Hopefully Mickey can see this and keeps his leash short.
Harvey s future lies in the pen  
spike : 4/14/2018 9:42 pm : link
One inning at a time.
Is Anderson really one of the best pitchers in the league?  
PhiPsi125 : 4/14/2018 9:42 pm : link
I mean, he had a nice year last season but the three years prior to that were thoroughly mediocre. Does one good season (out of four) make you one of the best pitchers in the league?
Im definitely going off his most recent year  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2018 9:47 pm : link
But he's only 30 and if you are throwing 150 pitches that's a big enough sample to be the most relevant. Pitchers learn new pitches, change things, so Im not sure what he did years ago is particularly relevant.

His biggest issue is not being able to deep into a season. He's been stuck at around 150 innings which isnt good.
Does Mickey putting in Robles  
Gmanfandan : 4/14/2018 9:49 pm : link
Signal that he's a superstitious manager? (aren't they all) Hansel with two reliever wins already, guns coming up and a "Ya gotta believe" attitude?

They pull this one out...
I really just dont like this cold weather in general.  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2018 9:50 pm : link
It sucks. I think it affects the pitchers and hitters.
RE: Does Mickey putting in Robles  
Gmanfandan : 4/14/2018 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13914422 Gmanfandan said:
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Signal that he's a superstitious manager? (aren't they all) Hansel with two reliever wins already, guns coming up and a "Ya gotta believe" attitude?

They pull this one out...


Oops
Robles gives up WAY too many home runs  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2018 9:51 pm : link
I dont care how good he looks, I want him gone when Swarzak is ready.
RE: Im definitely going off his most recent year  
PhiPsi125 : 4/14/2018 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13914420 ZGiants98 said:
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But he's only 30 and if you are throwing 150 pitches that's a big enough sample to be the most relevant. Pitchers learn new pitches, change things, so Im not sure what he did years ago is particularly relevant.

His biggest issue is not being able to deep into a season. He's been stuck at around 150 innings which isnt good.


You donít think that a pitchers almost entire body of work is relevant? Yes, pitchers learn new pitches to throw but itís also not common to have it just ďclickĒ at 30 years old. Admittedly, I didnít see him pitch much because I only caught the end of his night. Just thought it was interesting...never knew much about Anderson.

Oh well...canít win them all.
Oh well.. streak comes to an end.  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2018 10:00 pm : link
I really dont like this Brewers team. Lets win the damn series with Thor on the mound tomorrow.
RE: I really just dont like this cold weather in general.  
spike : 4/14/2018 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13914424 ZGiants98 said:
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It sucks. I think it affects the pitchers and hitters.


This weather blows. It shouldve been in the 60s at night
Weather is not getting any better either  
moespree : 4/14/2018 10:07 pm : link
40s at night for the 3 games at home next week. In fact it may even get into the 30s Monday night as the night goes on. Way below average at this point.
Can't win them all, on to the next one  
Eric on Li : 4/14/2018 10:20 pm : link
Harvey's velocity may improve as it warms up but it won't change enough to stop him from needing to evolve as a pitcher. The bigger impact of the cold weather is probably more in that he needs to start getting a feel for other pitches to see how he can get other teams out consistently without the upper 90's heat. I'm still pretty optimistic because he has enough velocity if he can start figuring out a few other pitches.

Robles is who we thought he is. Sewald looked pretty good. Offense has cooled off. I'm already sick of Lobaton so hopefully Nido can catch lightning in a bottle for a week.
Eh, I think that using weather as an excuse is weak. It sucks  
PhiPsi125 : 4/14/2018 10:27 pm : link
for everyone. But it didnít seem to affect the other team. And it wasnít shitty either. It was a little chilly. Shouldnít be a factor.

And can the media please stop calling Harvey the Dark Knight? Itís just embarrassing.
RE: Eh, I think that using weather as an excuse is weak. It sucks  
Eric on Li : 4/14/2018 10:39 pm : link
In comment 13914458 PhiPsi125 said:
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for everyone. But it didnít seem to affect the other team. And it wasnít shitty either. It was a little chilly. Shouldnít be a factor.

And can the media please stop calling Harvey the Dark Knight? Itís just embarrassing.


It sucks for everyone, but any variable is harder for someone who is actively changing their game. Harvey coming back is like Tiger coming back after all his injuries. It's gonna take time.
RE: Can't win them all, on to the next one  
spike : 4/15/2018 9:59 am : link
In comment 13914450 Eric on Li said:
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Harvey's velocity may improve as it warms up but it won't change enough to stop him from needing to evolve as a pitcher. The bigger impact of the cold weather is probably more in that he needs to start getting a feel for other pitches to see how he can get other teams out consistently without the upper 90's heat. I'm still pretty optimistic because he has enough velocity if he can start figuring out a few other pitches.

Robles is who we thought he is. Sewald looked pretty good. Offense has cooled off. I'm already sick of Lobaton so hopefully Nido can catch lightning in a bottle for a week.



definitely more Nido and less Lobaton
Itís gonna be chilly again today.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/15/2018 10:43 am : link
I wonder if it will only affect the Mets players again.
The Mets have literally won almost every game  
ZGiants98 : 4/15/2018 11:35 am : link
Nobody is making excuses over the weather because it sure as hell hasnít effected wins and losses. It still sucks. Itís a worse brand of baseball. Both teams make mistakes. Both team pitchers struggle. Both teams make careless errors. Itís harder to hit in. If thatís what you like watching great! I wouldnít like watching football in the pouring rain either as it effects the passing game. Same thing.
not sure there source  
CMicks3110 : 4/15/2018 11:42 am : link
but RisingApple is saying"

"According to the latest New York Mets trade rumors, the Tampa Bay Rays may be willing to help them with their catching issues. Is a deal for Wilson Ramos coming in the future?"
https://risingapple.com/2018/04/15/mets-rumors-rays-wilson-ramos/ - ( New Window )
didn't see a minors thread so thought I'd share this here  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2018 11:44 am : link
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Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO

Anthony Kay, Mets first Rder from 2016, had a good night (even better then final line indicates) in his second pro start for Columbia:

6 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, BB, 5 K, 89 pitches/58 strikes

The lefty topped out at 96 mph and two runners he left scored off reliever.
8:09 PM - 14 Apr 2018 from Maine, USA


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Michael Mayer
‏ @mikemayerMMO
1m1 minute ago

Michael Mayer Retweeted Michael Mayer

Mets fans should start getting excited about him. Fastball was good last night, also spun a few good curveballs and sliders. If he stays healthy he could move fast.
I think we should add Ramos.  
ZGiants98 : 4/15/2018 11:44 am : link
It makes the most sense. He likely doesn't cost a ton. An added benefit would be he knows the Nats pitchers and might like getting back in the division.
If I knew Kay was going to be topping out at 96  
ZGiants98 : 4/15/2018 11:45 am : link
and routinely in the mid 90s I would have been a lot more excited about the pick. He's a legitimate prospect now in the system IMO.
Ramos has a 10.5 million salary  
CMicks3110 : 4/15/2018 11:46 am : link
are the Wilpons willing to take that on?
RE: The Mets have literally won almost every game  
PhiPsi125 : 4/15/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 13914713 ZGiants98 said:
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Nobody is making excuses over the weather because it sure as hell hasnít effected wins and losses. It still sucks. Itís a worse brand of baseball. Both teams make mistakes. Both team pitchers struggle. Both teams make careless errors. Itís harder to hit in. If thatís what you like watching great! I wouldnít like watching football in the pouring rain either as it effects the passing game. Same thing.


Again, when you the make the statement that YOUR pitcher has to deal with shitty conditions...you are making an excuse. And the conditions werenít shitty in the least bit. It was 55 degrees on an otherwise beautiful night. Get over it. Iím tired of hearing about the weather. If I was 70 degrees Iím willing to bet Harvey would have been just as shitty and the bats would have been just as cold.

Both teams donít make mistakes. Bother pitchers do not struggle. Both teams do not make careless errors. Just call it was it is...a shitty game by the Mets. Itís gonna happen plenty so letís just quit it with the weather stuff.
RE: Ramos has a 10.5 million salary  
ZGiants98 : 4/15/2018 11:53 am : link
In comment 13914723 CMicks3110 said:
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are the Wilpons willing to take that on?


I dont see why not. But assuming we have a buffer of about 10-15 million do you want to blow that all now? Do you want to wait until the deadline and see what other needs we might have? Just because you have the 10 million doesn't mean you shouldn't still be prudent. Maybe the Rays would eat some if we gave up an interesting prospect? I don't know the right answer there. Ramos would be a nice add but I still might be trying to add Realmuto at the deadline if he's in play because he could be our catcher for multiple seasons. We also might have other injuries by July 31st we have to address.
RE: RE: The Mets have literally won almost every game  
ZGiants98 : 4/15/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13914727 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13914713 ZGiants98 said:


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Nobody is making excuses over the weather because it sure as hell hasnít effected wins and losses. It still sucks. Itís a worse brand of baseball. Both teams make mistakes. Both team pitchers struggle. Both teams make careless errors. Itís harder to hit in. If thatís what you like watching great! I wouldnít like watching football in the pouring rain either as it effects the passing game. Same thing.



Again, when you the make the statement that YOUR pitcher has to deal with shitty conditions...you are making an excuse. And the conditions werenít shitty in the least bit. It was 55 degrees on an otherwise beautiful night. Get over it. Iím tired of hearing about the weather. If I was 70 degrees Iím willing to bet Harvey would have been just as shitty and the bats would have been just as cold.

Both teams donít make mistakes. Bother pitchers do not struggle. Both teams do not make careless errors. Just call it was it is...a shitty game by the Mets. Itís gonna happen plenty so letís just quit it with the weather stuff.


It was 40 degrees last night and windy. And I dont know who you keep trying to call out but I said Harvey looked like crap many times regardless of the weather. Nobody was making excuses for him here over the weather. It does suck that players coming back from serious injuries have to add another element to the mix but we have the best record in baseball. Who the hell needs to defend anything with excuses?
I would trade Harvey straight up for Ramos  
CMicks3110 : 4/15/2018 11:55 am : link
I think he's garbage at this point. I know in theory it hurts our depth, but what good is bad depth? Oswalt or Flexen could probably produce the same 5 era harvey could.
How generous of the Rays  
Shecky : 4/15/2018 11:56 am : link
Theyíll offer to help us lol.
Ramos is better than whatís here, but by how much?
Is he worth 1/$10mm if he was a free agent? Absolutely not.
Then throw in even a C level minor leaguer?

Hereís the true question, and there is no right or wrong answer. Is Ramos better for the next three weeks worth the offset of not having an extra $10mm available in the budget come late July? Thatís the true pros and cons that need to be weighed.
Harvey really irks me  
Rflairr : 4/15/2018 11:57 am : link
Heís a bum of a pitcher..And throws out that comment , ďwe needed a shut out tonight,Ē Making sure he reminded everyone, that the Mets only scored one run. Arrogant prick
Ffrom the Rays perspetive  
CMicks3110 : 4/15/2018 11:57 am : link
they shed 4 million in salary, and they have the chance to flip Harvey down the line for more if he turns it around. Starting Pitching is more valuable at Trade Deadline than catchers, unless there is another major injury to a contender at that position.
Boring night for the Future Mets  
Shecky : 4/15/2018 11:57 am : link
Ty kelly still hot for tax season
Dom with some good Abs
Alonso looking good

Tiberi still hitting, Brodey warming up
Fermin, for a guy who canít hit and is slow, got his 4th three bagger already lol

Most important on the night, Kay looked phenomenal. Wonít stay here for long, but really good to see the success for the kid.
RE: I would trade Harvey straight up for Ramos  
ZGiants98 : 4/15/2018 11:59 am : link
In comment 13914735 CMicks3110 said:
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I think he's garbage at this point. I know in theory it hurts our depth, but what good is bad depth? Oswalt or Flexen could probably produce the same 5 era harvey could.


Why on earth would the Rays want Harvey? He's on an expiring deal and makes almost the same in salary. They would never do that.
RE: How generous of the Rays  
ZGiants98 : 4/15/2018 11:59 am : link
In comment 13914738 Shecky said:
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Theyíll offer to help us lol.
Ramos is better than whatís here, but by how much?
Is he worth 1/$10mm if he was a free agent? Absolutely not.
Then throw in even a C level minor leaguer?

Hereís the true question, and there is no right or wrong answer. Is Ramos better for the next three weeks worth the offset of not having an extra $10mm available in the budget come late July? Thatís the true pros and cons that need to be weighed.


Yeah I basically said the same thing.
Shecky  
CMicks3110 : 4/15/2018 12:00 pm : link
you also have to factor in what you actually think of Plawecki as a starting catcher. The guy has a .219 career average and a .614 OPS, plus is a very average defensive catcher. Ramos has a .736 career OPS and has had years in the .800s. Plus he's a better defensive catcher. So you're not making a comparison just for the next few weeks, but the season - Do they really consider Plawecki a ML starting catcher. I don't. In terms of down the line flexibility. I don't know, it's a good point. But we should get out ahead of the game as much as we can now, and maybe we build more revenue through winning giving us more flexibilty anyway.
RE: RE: RE: The Mets have literally won almost every game  
PhiPsi125 : 4/15/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13914734 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13914727 PhiPsi125 said:


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In comment 13914713 ZGiants98 said:


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Nobody is making excuses over the weather because it sure as hell hasnít effected wins and losses. It still sucks. Itís a worse brand of baseball. Both teams make mistakes. Both team pitchers struggle. Both teams make careless errors. Itís harder to hit in. If thatís what you like watching great! I wouldnít like watching football in the pouring rain either as it effects the passing game. Same thing.



Again, when you the make the statement that YOUR pitcher has to deal with shitty conditions...you are making an excuse. And the conditions werenít shitty in the least bit. It was 55 degrees on an otherwise beautiful night. Get over it. Iím tired of hearing about the weather. If I was 70 degrees Iím willing to bet Harvey would have been just as shitty and the bats would have been just as cold.

Both teams donít make mistakes. Bother pitchers do not struggle. Both teams do not make careless errors. Just call it was it is...a shitty game by the Mets. Itís gonna happen plenty so letís just quit it with the weather stuff.



It was 40 degrees last night and windy. And I dont know who you keep trying to call out but I said Harvey looked like crap many times regardless of the weather. Nobody was making excuses for him here over the weather. It does suck that players coming back from serious injuries have to add another element to the mix but we have the best record in baseball. Who the hell needs to defend anything with excuses?


Actually it was 55 degrees at game time last night with a little breeze. And you mentioned the weather excuse (and of course the right strikezone excuse) well before any Harvey complaining began. Either way, not worth getting into a huge back and forth over. He is what he is. And I canít wait until heís gone. Hopefully to a team we play so that we can tee off him also lol.
Z  
CMicks3110 : 4/15/2018 12:01 pm : link
THIS was my reasononing
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Ffrom the Rays perspetive
CMicks3110 : 11:57 am : link : reply
they shed 4 million in salary, and they have the chance to flip Harvey down the line for more if he turns it around. Starting Pitching is more valuable at Trade Deadline than catchers, unless there is another major injury to a contender at that position.
RE: Harvey really irks me  
PhiPsi125 : 4/15/2018 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13914739 Rflairr said:
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Heís a bum of a pitcher..And throws out that comment , ďwe needed a shut out tonight,Ē Making sure he reminded everyone, that the Mets only scored one run. Arrogant prick


Yup, never his fault.
RE: Z  
ZGiants98 : 4/15/2018 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13914752 CMicks3110 said:
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THIS was my reasononing


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Ffrom the Rays perspetive
CMicks3110 : 11:57 am : link : reply
they shed 4 million in salary, and they have the chance to flip Harvey down the line for more if he turns it around. Starting Pitching is more valuable at Trade Deadline than catchers, unless there is another major injury to a contender at that position.



Gotcha. Didnt see that. If they want Harvey for Ramos they can have him. I just find that extremely unrealistic.
RE: Shecky  
Shecky : 4/15/2018 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13914749 CMicks3110 said:
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you also have to factor in what you actually think of Plawecki as a starting catcher. The guy has a .219 career average and a .614 OPS, plus is a very average defensive catcher. Ramos has a .736 career OPS and has had years in the .800s. Plus he's a better defensive catcher. So you're not making a comparison just for the next few weeks, but the season - Do they really consider Plawecki a ML starting catcher. I don't. In terms of down the line flexibility. I don't know, it's a good point. But we should get out ahead of the game as much as we can now, and maybe we build more revenue through winning giving us more flexibilty anyway.


You DO realize who youíre asking those questions to, right?
Ummm  
CMicks3110 : 4/15/2018 12:08 pm : link
not sure i follow?
RE: Ummm  
Jay on the Island : 4/15/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13914759 CMicks3110 said:
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not sure i follow?

Shecky wouldn't trade Plawecki straight up for Posey.
RE: RE: Ummm  
Shecky : 4/15/2018 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13914760 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13914759 CMicks3110 said:


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not sure i follow?


Shecky wouldn't trade Plawecki straight up for Posey.


Iíd consider Trout.
But only if the Angels ate the contract
RE: RE: RE: Ummm  
Jay on the Island : 4/15/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13914778 Shecky said:
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In comment 13914760 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 13914759 CMicks3110 said:


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not sure i follow?


Shecky wouldn't trade Plawecki straight up for Posey.



Iíd consider Trout.
But only if the Angels ate the contract

Perfectly reasonable request. Maybe throw in Kevin Maitan as well.
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