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Does anyone have a conviction for the second tier QBís?

Sean : 4/15/2018 8:20 am
When I say second tier - likely to be drafted in the 2nd round & after. QBís that are likely all to be first round players imo:

Darnold
Rosen
Allen
Mayfield
Jackson

I believe there will be a team to trade up and grab Jackson, or he may go at 15 to Arizona.

Letís say NYG has a strong conviction on Barkley - if they like him as much as people speculate, they should take him at 2. No need to get cute trading down and HOPING heís there. If Barkley & Chubb are equally graded, you could trade down to 5 - but trading requires 2 partners and people assume teams like Denver want to move up. So, letís say the draft Barkley.

Next tier QBís

Mason Rudolph
Luke Falk
Kyle Lauletta

Itís possible NYG has close grades on any of these players and could take them with the 2nd or 3rd pick *IF* the value is there. Likely it would be the second round or a trade up to ensure they get the guy. I donít view this as Webb or bust, perhaps this could be a Lauletta vs Webb competition while solidifying the offensive line with a strong running game.



Yes  
RetroJint : 4/15/2018 8:31 am : link
You have one already .
I haven't paid much attention to them  
Mike from Ohio : 4/15/2018 8:32 am : link
Probably because I think of the Giants pass on a QB in the first, they are unlikely to take one in the second or third. Having a competition between a second and third round pick at QB where they were drafted one year apart seems like a bad use of resources to me. It would also signal to me that they are not enamored with what little they have seen of Webb.

But more selfishly, I don't want them to take a QB in the second and then announce at the press conference afterwards that he was the top QB on their board all along and they had a top 15 grade on him. You know it's coming and you know it's nonsense.

Interested if anyone else things the Giants are likely to go that route and why it makes sense. I admit competition at positions is always a great thing to have, but at QB that doesn't seem as desirable.
If Giants feel need to grab quarterback  
joeinpa : 4/15/2018 8:38 am : link
How do you pass on a once in 38 year opportunity to have the #2 pick in a draft with 4 quarterbacks available that might be picked in top 10.

Given the value of the quarterback position it seems seems simple, take a quarterback with first pick not in round 2 or 3.

Just my opinion
RE: Yes  
Sean : 4/15/2018 8:39 am : link
In comment 13914600 RetroJint said:
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You have one already .


I would do what it takes to get Darnold personally, but Iíve read NYG likes Rudolph & Lauletta.
Dave TE Thomas has said  
Rjanyg : 4/15/2018 8:40 am : link
NYG doing some hard scouting on Lauletta
The only way it makes sense to go this route...  
the mike : 4/15/2018 8:41 am : link
Is if we pick up a haul of pics in a trade with Buffalo. Gettleman needs to focus every asset in this draft on improving what we put on the field in 2018 to support Eli in winning now.

If a guy like Rudolph or Lauletta falls to the late second or third round, I could see the Giants selecting either to compete with Webb over the next two years since we would likely have multiple second and third round picks... But I agree that this is a facet of the continuing development process of possible Eli successors, not the backdoor anointing of our future savior...

I haven't seen much of any of them, but watched a little of  
Ira : 4/15/2018 8:45 am : link
each one's games. Falk seemed like the best of the three to me.
I suspect it would be a wasted pick....as any of the 2nd tiered guy  
George from PA : 4/15/2018 9:00 am : link
will be no better then Webb
Most pundits have Rudolph between the top tier and the next group...  
Torrag : 4/15/2018 9:04 am : link
...you couild say he's in that second tier by himself. Of the 'third tier' I favor Luke Falk. He has the size and the arm whereas imo Lauletta's arm is just ok.
RE: Most pundits have Rudolph between the top tier and the next group...  
TommyWiseau : 4/15/2018 9:12 am : link
In comment 13914622 Torrag said:
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...you couild say he's in that second tier by himself. Of the 'third tier' I favor Luke Falk. He has the size and the arm whereas imo Lauletta's arm is just ok.


Lauletta's arm is pretty weak, rather then waste a 2nd round pick on a guy who probably won't amount to anything in Giants Blue, i'd rather draft one of the many interior Olineman that have a chance to be future pro bowlers at that pick
No interest at all.  
section125 : 4/15/2018 9:12 am : link
Take one at #2 or forget it. They have Webb already.
I've seen quite a few highlights of Lauletta  
Jay on the Island : 4/15/2018 9:59 am : link
It is evident that he doesn't have the arm strength to be a starting QB in the NFL especially in the winds of Metlife stadium. His deep passes have way too much hang time.
My draft conviction is a team...  
bw in dc : 4/15/2018 10:27 am : link
should draft a QB every year. Even if itís a flyer using a 7th round compensatory pick. You can never have enough quality QBs on the roster. They are the teamís greatest assets. And we all know a quality QB can pop up anywhere in the draft because itís the position requiring the more art than science to evaluate.

If we stupidly pass on a QB at #2 by wasting a pick on Barkley or Nelson, the two QBs I find most interesting in later rounds are Tanner Lee and Mike White. Lee threw the ball very well at the Combine. A very live arm and good athlete. Not sure he got the best coaching at Nebraska, so Iím a bit more foregiving with his modest production. All of us know Mike White and his appealing pocket skills.
RE: My draft conviction is a team...  
Jay on the Island : 4/15/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 13914672 bw in dc said:
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should draft a QB every year. Even if itís a flyer using a 7th round compensatory pick. You can never have enough quality QBs on the roster. They are the teamís greatest assets. And we all know a quality QB can pop up anywhere in the draft because itís the position requiring the more art than science to evaluate.

If we stupidly pass on a QB at #2 by wasting a pick on Barkley or Nelson, the two QBs I find most interesting in later rounds are Tanner Lee and Mike White. Lee threw the ball very well at the Combine. A very live arm and good athlete. Not sure he got the best coaching at Nebraska, so Iím a bit more foregiving with his modest production. All of us know Mike White and his appealing pocket skills.

Mike White is very similar to Webb IMO.
RE: Dave TE Thomas has said  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/15/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 13914609 Rjanyg said:
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NYG doing some hard scouting on Lauletta


Lauletta is the guy. Tremendous leadership qualities and is supposedly like another coach on the field. Can quickly digest a game plan and lead it as if it was his own. MVP of the Senior Bowl. Washington rumored to be interested at potentially pick 44.
RE: RE: My draft conviction is a team...  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/15/2018 11:06 am : link
In comment 13914675 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13914672 bw in dc said:


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should draft a QB every year. Even if itís a flyer using a 7th round compensatory pick. You can never have enough quality QBs on the roster. They are the teamís greatest assets. And we all know a quality QB can pop up anywhere in the draft because itís the position requiring the more art than science to evaluate.

If we stupidly pass on a QB at #2 by wasting a pick on Barkley or Nelson, the two QBs I find most interesting in later rounds are Tanner Lee and Mike White. Lee threw the ball very well at the Combine. A very live arm and good athlete. Not sure he got the best coaching at Nebraska, so Iím a bit more foregiving with his modest production. All of us know Mike White and his appealing pocket skills.


Mike White is very similar to Webb IMO.


Like White too but not as much as Kyle.
No.  
AcidTest : 4/15/2018 11:07 am : link
We already have Webb. It's silly to use anything other than the #2 pick on a QB. All or nothing, especially since we have a ton of holes and only six picks.

No intererst in Lauletta. Not enough arm strength. He's being overvalued like Peterman was last year.
RE: RE: Dave TE Thomas has said  
TommyWiseau : 4/15/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 13914688 Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx said:
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In comment 13914609 Rjanyg said:


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NYG doing some hard scouting on Lauletta



Lauletta is the guy. Tremendous leadership qualities and is supposedly like another coach on the field. Can quickly digest a game plan and lead it as if it was his own. MVP of the Senior Bowl. Washington rumored to be interested at potentially pick 44.


He won't be able to throw in Metlife, his arm strength is worse then Chad Pennington's after surgery
If you don't draft a QB at #2  
Tom from LI : 4/15/2018 11:50 am : link
which I am starting to cool on after watching countless hours of videos then you need to trade back and get some extra pics and use one of those. Our 2nd round pick has to be used on somebody that is going to have close to an immediate impact..
Taking at qb in the mid rounds  
lax counsel : 4/15/2018 2:08 pm : link
Should get DG immediately fired. You're saying you know you need a qb but aren't willing to invest a premium pick. Also, Lauretta will not be a successful NFL qb, he doesn't have the tools.
the first pick will be made with the full consent  
fkap : 4/15/2018 2:34 pm : link
of Mara. Of course, so was the benching of Eli, and see where that got McAdoo and Reese! Still, it is likely that the draft is still a group dynamic. Mara isn't suddenly taking a hands off approach.

Once again, though, they aren't passing on a franchise QB. If they pass, they don't think there is a franchise QB to be had at the pick.

Taking a QB in round 2 is not automatically a wasted pick. there are various scenarios in play. One is that Webb was a bad pick and then need a new backup QB. Another is that they think Webb is starting material and need a new backup (in this scenario, it wouldn't be great use of a second round pick at this time, with so many other needs and the likelihood that Webb is the backup for at least another year). Or they see the 2nd round QB as starting material.
RE: RE: RE: Dave TE Thomas has said  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/15/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13914695 TommyWiseau said:
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In comment 13914609 Rjanyg said:


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NYG doing some hard scouting on Lauletta



Lauletta is the guy. Tremendous leadership qualities and is supposedly like another coach on the field. Can quickly digest a game plan and lead it as if it was his own. MVP of the Senior Bowl. Washington rumored to be interested at potentially pick 44.



He won't be able to throw in Metlife, his arm strength is worse then Chad Pennington's after surgery


He threw 52mph both to the right and the left. 3mph better than Deshaun Watson. 52 isnt great but it isnt horrible and in a WCO it is not as reliant on the deep ball.
Mason Rudolph or Kurt Benkert(UVA)  
sober297 : 4/15/2018 4:23 pm : link
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Second tier QBs  
Danny80 : 4/15/2018 4:44 pm : link
I've never been a big fan of taking a QB anywhere between the early second round and the 5th or 6th round--unless you had a really high grade on a QB who fell into the late 2nd round for bizarre reasons. The main reason being that other than kicker and punter, QB is the only position where you intend to have only one person playing the position each game, every game, unless they get injured. There are examples of getting great starting QBs in the 3rd round (Montana, maybe Russell Wilson), but the chances don't seem to be much better than getting a great QB in the 6th round (Brady) or undrafted (Kurt Warner). If you're looking to draft a future starting QB, first round, and early first round, gives you the best chance. Sometimes someone will drop to the early second round b/c of lack of team needs in a given year. If you're picking a QB after the first or early second round, you're more often than not looking at a career backup, which is an important player to have, but can't contribute in the same way that another position player can. I'd also rather sign a proven free agent with experience as a back up QB than spend a mid-draft pick on one and hope he performs well the first time he steps in as a backup.

If you draft, for instance, a DT of LB or O-Lineman or DB in the 3rd or 4th round, because there are multiple of those guys on the field at the same time and/or backups playing in different packages or on special teams, there is a greater chance that those position players will contribute every game, either as a starter or as a rotating player.

Apart from Jeff Hostetler's run to the Super Bowl, the Giants' best non-first round QB in my memory was probably Kent Graham (not saying a lot), who was an 8th round pick--aside from Kurt Warner who was a free agent pick up by the Giants.
Webb  
ThatLimerickGuy : 4/15/2018 11:29 pm : link
Is going to make this Giants QB discussion a moot point, whether they pick one at 2, at 34, or at any other point.

The kid has the goods.
RE: Webb  
Mike from Ohio : 4/16/2018 11:35 am : link
In comment 13915355 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Is going to make this Giants QB discussion a moot point, whether they pick one at 2, at 34, or at any other point.

The kid has the goods.


So you think Webb beats out a QB the Giants take with the 2nd overall pick?
I'm intrigued by Lauletta....  
Britt in VA : 4/16/2018 11:37 am : link
Living here in Richmond, I got to see him play a bunch. Smart QB who comes from a pro style offense, which is key to me.
I'm intrigued by Toledo's Logan Woodside.  
Section331 : 4/16/2018 11:44 am : link
He's a little on the small side (6'1, 205), and could definitely beef up a bit. There are concerns about his arm strength, but I've seen him make difficult throws on time and in rhythm. Tremendous accuracy, smart, goes through his progressions very well.

He played primarily in a spread, but I don't think he would have a problem moving under center. There are YouTube vids of his entire game v. Miami, where Toledo was terribly outmanned, but he was terrific. Led Toledo to 35 points against a very good defense.
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