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Your most exciting (but plausible) draft trade scenario

Jay in Toronto : 4/15/2018 12:12 pm
I can't remember the Giants ever in a situation with so many possibilities. And yes, there have been draft threads ad nauseum.

So here is a thread to collect our desirable plausible scenario that involves a draft day trade.

Here is mine (plausible but unlikely):

1. Giants trade back with Denver. Elway has repeatedly said that he would trade back if his OB is not there at 5. It is believed that it is Rosen. So what happens if Cleveland picks Darnold. A trade with the Giants (since Jets supposedly also like Rosen) is attractive.

Denver picks Rosen
Jets pick Allen or Barkley
Cleveland picks Barkley or Chubb

2. Giants pick (surprise) Mayfield/Allen. There are whispers that both have advocates within the org.

3. When the Bills pick at 12, someone on the Giants First Row is available cause he slid (e.g. Fitzpatrick) or because he is a fast riser but not quite (thankfully) fast enough (e.g. Oliver). The giants trade with the Bills.

In this scenario we get Mayfield/Allen and extra picks or a First Row guy with a whackload of picks.

A lot of things have to happen but I would love my trade with Bills in this circumstance scenario.

For what it is worth  
TMS : 4/15/2018 12:39 pm : link
your plan and many others expressed here involve a lot of coordination and cooperation. Have read DG's comment that you do not get too cute in the draft because it can come back and bite you. Do you think that he meant that statement or not ? I am enjoying the innovative thoughts but do not think he goes that way.
While I would love to add Mayfield/Allen  
Jay on the Island : 4/15/2018 12:40 pm : link
with a trade down especially if the Giants get a 2019 1st rounder and at least a 2nd this year I don't see the Giants taking a QB with a trade down. I would be very excited to see Mayfield working with Shurmur. He could install a similar offense to the one he ran with Keenum last season. Now Mayfield is a far more talented QB than Keenum so that would give Shurmur more options.
TMS  
Jay in Toronto : 4/15/2018 12:47 pm : link
I hear you, but if there is indeed strong support in the org for either QB (obviously a precondition) it's only the second part that is really cute and would be based on the Bills making an offer he couldn't refuse (something he has also said) and one of their first row guys still in play at 12.

IMHO it's not too cute at all.
And this is plausible caused it's chunked down  
Jay in Toronto : 4/15/2018 12:53 pm : link
Bills contact DG AT #2 but the offer does not blow him away. Denver does and it's worth moving down 3 spots where he is sure that someone on the first row will still be available.

I suspect that 5 the Giants take Chubb (most likely unless Cleveland trades out of 4). But if the QB left is on their first row they might take him, especially knowing he will be a hot commodity (Bills, Miami etc). Worst case neither make a blow out of the water offer when their pick comes and we stay with a QB in our first row.
I've Made It Clear I Prefer Barkley  
Trainmaster : 4/15/2018 1:05 pm : link
over taking a flyer on one of the 2018 QBs. While I think that Barkley is worth the 2nd overall pick regardless of which QB Cleveland takes with the 1st overall (I hope Cleveland is dumb enough to pass on Barkley with the first overall), I'd love for the Giants to be able to trade down AND get Barkley.

I doubt Barkley drops past 4th overall. Therefore, my "most exciting (but plausible) draft trade scenario" is:

Giants tell the Jets they are about to pull the trigger on a trade for the 2nd overall with their division rivals, the Bills. The Jets, fearing "their guy" will be gone by the time they pick at 3rd overall, panic (as Chicago did last year).

The Giants trade the 2nd overall to the Jets for the 3rd overall in 2018 plus Jets 4th round 2018 pick (107 overall, 80 pts) and the Jets 1st round pick in 2019 (~580 overall). Or the Jets 3rd round in 2018 (72nd overall and 230 pts), the Jets 4th round in 2018 and the Jets 2nd round pick in 2019.
Trading up with Cleveland  
joeinpa : 4/15/2018 1:09 pm : link
If they really believe in one of the quarterbacks
Does make you  
Doomster : 4/15/2018 1:09 pm : link
wonder, who may be the "Marino" in the group of qb's.....
Most Exciting?  
Jim in Tampa : 4/15/2018 1:10 pm : link
Take the QB they like the best and be set for the next 15 years.
Jim  
Jay in Toronto : 4/15/2018 1:14 pm : link
the QB they like best or one they have a conviction about as a franchise 15 year QB?

There will always be a "QB they like best" but not a franchise QB.

Obviously I am not in the 'you have to draft a QB cause you have a high pick' faction.
Giants trade back with Buffalo  
PEEJ : 4/15/2018 1:16 pm : link
for the "boatload". Then, trade back up for Nelson or a top CB
RE: Giants trade back with Buffalo  
PEEJ : 4/15/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13914829 PEEJ said:
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for the "boatload". Then, trade back up for Nelson or a top CB

Trade to TB @ 7
Either the Giants want one QB or not. I canít imagine that they like 2  
Ivan15 : 4/15/2018 1:20 pm : link
QBs equally. They just donít do business that way. So trading down one spot is unlikely unless the Jets tell them who they will take.
Ivan  
Jay in Toronto : 4/15/2018 1:23 pm : link
if you believe Schwartz, he infers that there are factions within the org that are promoting different QBs.
here's what i expect to happen  
markky : 4/15/2018 1:24 pm : link
Jets swap with Giants to ensure Bills don't trade ahead of them. Giants get Jets 2018 4th and 2019 first. Jets take Rosen.

Browns realize Giants wouldn't swap if they were going to take a QB. Fearing Giants will take their guy (they're in love with Barkley) they swap with Giants. Giants get the Browns two 2018 2nd rounders. Browns take Barkley.

Fearing someone will trade ahead of them, the Broncos swap with the Giants to ensure they get they're QB. Giants get Broncos 2018 4th and 2019 1st. Broncos take Mayfield.

Realizing the Giants wouldn't be trading down if they were taking QB, the Colts swap with the Giants so they don't lose Chubb. Giants get the Colts 2018 4th and 2019 first.

Giants take Darnold and end up with three 2018 2nd rounders, four 2019 1st rounders and four 2018 4th rounders. They use two of the 2018 2nd rounders to trade up for Fitzpatrick and take Billy Price in the 2nd. They use the four 1st rounders in 2019 to complete the rebuild.
Since I have a similar grade on Barkley as Sy56  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/15/2018 1:25 pm : link
Which is an extremely rare grade, I love the spectre of a slight tradedown with the Jets or Broncos.

Jets swapping picks guarantees us Barkley, Broncos swap gives us one of Barkley(ideal),Chubb or Nelson.
RE: here's what i expect to happen  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/15/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13914843 markky said:
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Jets swap with Giants to ensure Bills don't trade ahead of them. Giants get Jets 2018 4th and 2019 first. Jets take Rosen.

Browns realize Giants wouldn't swap if they were going to take a QB. Fearing Giants will take their guy (they're in love with Barkley) they swap with Giants. Giants get the Browns two 2018 2nd rounders. Browns take Barkley.

Fearing someone will trade ahead of them, the Broncos swap with the Giants to ensure they get they're QB. Giants get Broncos 2018 4th and 2019 1st. Broncos take Mayfield.

Realizing the Giants wouldn't be trading down if they were taking QB, the Colts swap with the Giants so they don't lose Chubb. Giants get the Colts 2018 4th and 2019 first.

Giants take Darnold and end up with three 2018 2nd rounders, four 2019 1st rounders and four 2018 4th rounders. They use two of the 2018 2nd rounders to trade up for Fitzpatrick and take Billy Price in the 2nd. They use the four 1st rounders in 2019 to complete the rebuild.



Lololol thats better than that Kevin Costner flick!
Marky  
Jay in Toronto : 4/15/2018 2:05 pm : link
Love it!!

Something to look forward to, LOL
NYG stays at 2 and drafts Darnold  
Sean : 4/15/2018 2:12 pm : link
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RE: Jim  
Jim in Tampa : 4/15/2018 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13914823 Jay in Toronto said:
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the QB they like best or one they have a conviction about as a franchise 15 year QB?

There will always be a "QB they like best" but not a franchise QB.

Obviously I am not in the 'you have to draft a QB cause you have a high pick' faction.


Cleveland, Buffalo, the Jets and (probably) Denver all think that the top QBs have the potential to be "franchise" guys.

Teams like Miami, Cincy, the Pats and likely a number of others would all kill to get a shot at the top QBs as well.

I'm not buying the "all the QBs have red flags" BS that the "we don't need a QB" crowd has been peddling on BBI.

Does BBI see any red flags in Eli's game over the past couple of years? (Even if these posters are "Eli blind" Eli is still 37.)

Does Webb have any red flags?

There are never any guarantees, but this is the Giants' best shot to get a franchise QB. I hope they don't blow it by picking a non-QB, just so they can win a few more games next year.

RE: RE: Jim  
Jim in Tampa : 4/15/2018 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13914963 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 13914823 Jay in Toronto said:


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the QB they like best or one they have a conviction about as a franchise 15 year QB?

There will always be a "QB they like best" but not a franchise QB.

Obviously I am not in the 'you have to draft a QB cause you have a high pick' faction.



Cleveland, Buffalo, the Jets and (probably) Denver all think that the top QBs have the potential to be "franchise" guys.

Teams like Miami, Cincy, the Pats and likely a number of others would all kill to get a shot at the top QBs as well.

I'm not buying the "all the QBs have red flags" BS that the "we don't need a QB" crowd has been peddling on BBI.

Does BBI see any red flags in Eli's game over the past couple of years? (Even if these posters are "Eli blind" Eli is still 37.)

Does Webb have any red flags?

There are never any guarantees, but this is the Giants' best shot to get a franchise QB. I hope they don't blow it by picking a non-QB, just so they can win a few more games next year.


Meant to say "Arizona" not "Cincy".
RE: NYG stays at 2 and drafts Darnold  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/15/2018 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13914902 Sean said:
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My guess is 70-30 Darnold goes #1. Roethlisberger was a very similar QB coming out (if not better) and he went 11.
NYG draft Rosen at 2  
The_Boss : 4/15/2018 4:03 pm : link
I'll be giddy as fuck and quite excited.
RE: here's what i expect to happen  
NikkiMac : 4/15/2018 5:25 pm : link
In comment 13914843 markky said:
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Jets swap with Giants to ensure Bills don't trade ahead of them. Giants get Jets 2018 4th and 2019 first. Jets take Rosen.

Browns realize Giants wouldn't swap if they were going to take a QB. Fearing Giants will take their guy (they're in love with Barkley) they swap with Giants. Giants get the Browns two 2018 2nd rounders. Browns take Barkley.

Fearing someone will trade ahead of them, the Broncos swap with the Giants to ensure they get they're QB. Giants get Broncos 2018 4th and 2019 1st. Broncos take Mayfield.

Realizing the Giants wouldn't be trading down if they were taking QB, the Colts swap with the Giants so they don't lose Chubb. Giants get the Colts 2018 4th and 2019 first.

Giants take Darnold and end up with three 2018 2nd rounders, four 2019 1st rounders and four 2018 4th rounders. They use two of the 2018 2nd rounders to trade up for Fitzpatrick and take Billy Price in the 2nd. They use the four 1st rounders in 2019 to complete the rebuild.


Awesome make it happen Marcky
Most exciting is when Buffalo is suddenly on the clock at two and  
wgenesis123 : 4/15/2018 6:00 pm : link
Mel Kiper is puzzled about what the Giants got, his mouth running sideways with speculation and when informed of the Giant haul, he falls out of his chair.
RE: Most exciting is when Buffalo is suddenly on the clock at two and  
Jim in Tampa : 4/15/2018 6:04 pm : link
In comment 13915112 wgenesis123 said:
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Mel Kiper is puzzled about what the Giants got, his mouth running sideways with speculation and when informed of the Giant haul, he falls out of his chair.


There's a good chance that we're both going to be disappointed.

You won't get your trade down and extra picks and I won't get a QB.
Jim in Tampa  
wgenesis123 : 4/15/2018 6:25 pm : link
You will get your QB! Maybe not at two or even this year, but you will get your QB. I on the other hand may wait the rest of my life and never see the Giants get that massive haul of picks. This year of all the years I have watched the draft offers the best chance of that big trade happening. If the Giants are not aggressive enough to trade down this year, it may never happen for me.
Going on assumptions: that Cleveland wants Darnold and Barkley....  
MOOPS : 4/15/2018 7:01 pm : link
in that order
Going on assumptions:  
MOOPS : 4/15/2018 7:21 pm : link
1. Cleveland wants Darnold and Barkley at 1 and 4.
The Giants will take Darnold (the only QB they will take) at 2 if available or Barkley if Darnold is not available AND the Giants keep their mouths shut until and including while they're on the clock.
2. Denver wants Josh Allen.
3. The Jets want Mayfield.

Cleveland selects Darnold. The Giants select Barkley. The Jets select Mayfield.
Cleveland on the clock at 4 calls the Giants and offers their #4, #33 and next year's first round pick for Barkley. The Giants accept and are on the clock.
Denver panics that the Giants will take Allen at #4 and calls the Giants and offer #5, #40 and next years second round pick for the Giants #4. The Giants accept.
Denver takes Allen at #4.
The Giants take Chubb at #5.

The Giants have picked up # 33 and # 40 in 2018 and a first and second rounder in 2019.

Please disregard the previous post.

Moops  
Jay in Toronto : 4/15/2018 8:26 pm : link
very nice :)
RE: Most exciting is when Buffalo is suddenly on the clock at two and  
Gatorade Dunk : 4/15/2018 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13915112 wgenesis123 said:
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Mel Kiper is puzzled about what the Giants got, his mouth running sideways with speculation and when informed of the Giant haul, he falls out of his chair.

That sounds riveting. You should write a TV show.
Cleveland takes Darnold  
larryflower37 : 4/15/2018 8:53 pm : link
Giants waste no time and take Barkley.
Giants take Lamar Jackson top of the 2nd
Here's mine - the best trade I can conjure up is with DEN  
Eric on Li : 4/15/2018 9:23 pm : link
I think Elway is hunting for a QB and all the Quenton Nelson stuff is BS. So with that being the case, it's BUF vs. DEN driving the price up on #2 to jump ahead of the Jets.

Denver gives up:
#5, #40, #99, #109, 2019 first and Shaq Barrett (received a 2nd rd tender)
for
#2

Trade chart has the Giants ahead by a pretty good margin on that.

At #5 they most likely take Chubb (can never have too many pass rushers) or Barkley if he somehow falls.

But the trading doesn't stop there. At #34/#40 they get 1 DB and 1 OL, and potentially stack pick the same positions with the 3rd rounders, creating the flexibility to trade Apple and/or Flowers for 4th/5th round picks either this year or next. I'd guess at least 1 of them leaves town. In total Gettleman adds 3 or 4 hog mollies in the first 110 picks, while also filling 4 other spots and grabbing an extra first round pick next year.
Trade to Cleveland  
giantstock : 4/16/2018 1:49 am : link
Seeing how soemoen set a bar for Denver so I'll add simalr

Giants get 4,33, 64, 101 and 1st rd pick 2019. Frankly I don't think Cleveland is making any deals.

1st Pick Giants take Mayfield.

Rd 2 33rd pick- take -- Smith from Auburn.

Rd 2 34th pick - take another OL- the best of the other more-than-likely 4 linemen that will be available which fits the team long-term best:
Price (C/G)
Ragnow (C/G)
Rankins (G/T)
Crosby (T)

Rd 3a Pick 65 Take BPA between DT Tim Settle, BJ Hill or McIntosh.
Rd 3b Pick 66 Take BPA a RB or a CB
Rd 3c Pick 69 Take BPA a RB or a CB or a S (don't take 2 of the same)

Rd 4a Pick 101 take BPA CB or S or DL (don't take 2 of the same)
Rd 4b Pick 108 take BPA CB or S or DL (only double up on CB or S if you have to)

Rd 5 Pick 139 take BPA LB or CB or S or DL. Don't take 3 of either C or S.
Ok I got another one. This is my real dream scenario but it did not  
wgenesis123 : 4/16/2018 10:44 am : link
seem plausible earlier this morning. Now we have asshat info that says it still is plausible so I will lay it out. Cleveland decides they have lost enough games and wants to win now. So they want their top QB and Barkley, hello DG. Cleveland trades the 4th pick and 33 and 35 to the Giants. The Giants than turn around and trade pick 4 to Buffalo for 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, and something next year. The giants take an edge rusher at 12 and o-lineman at 22 and call it a day. On day two the Giants now have 5 second round picks including the first three picks of round two. DG lets it be known that 33 and 34 can be had for the right price, no 15 minutes here, we have all night and the next day to auction these picks. Its a power position that allows the Giants to set up not only for 2018 but also 2019 when they will have to get a QB.
Trade with Cleveland for the 4th pick,  
Section331 : 4/16/2018 11:16 am : link
Browns jump the Jets to make sure they get Allen. NYG then trade again with Denver to drop one spot. 3 #1 picks, with a couple more 2nds will patch a lot of holes.
Best scenario...  
the mike : 4/16/2018 11:29 am : link
Is trading the second pick with Denver for their fifth pick plus #40 and #71 in 2018 and their 2019 first round draft pick. And then still getting Barkley at #5 when Browns select Chubb at #4...

Gettleman will be hailed a genius and the Giants march to Super Bowl LIII will be officially on the clock!
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