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Giants view Barkley as perfect prospect

Mr. Nickels : 4/15/2018 12:56 pm
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The Giants, who hold a lot of cards at No. 2, reportedly have narrowed it down to Barkley or Bradley Chubb

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This is how rumors spread...  
Jarvis : 4/15/2018 1:03 pm : link
this looks like a new article on a new site (CBS)...but it is just quoting the Post article as if that article was fact not more speculation.
As stated by an unknown source  
robbieballs2003 : 4/15/2018 1:04 pm : link
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In other words  
Rflairr : 4/15/2018 1:05 pm : link
Lets try to make Cleveland take him with the first pick
Throw LTs bust out of Canton  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/15/2018 1:05 pm : link
To make room for Barkley.
This!  
Trainmaster : 4/15/2018 1:08 pm : link
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The Giants view Saquon Barkley as a near-perfect prospect. They think he's a better player than Ezekiel Elliott, who went No. 4 to the Cowboys in 2016. All Elliott has accomplished is average 104.6 yards in his 25 NFL games, along with 22 rushing touchdowns in two seasons. He also has an entire offense built around him. The main difference? Barkley is a far superior pass-catcher. Plus, there are absolutely no character issues or concerns with Barkley.

"I thought all along this is the guy Dave wants,'' said a national NFL scout who knows Gettleman from crossing paths with him on the road over the years. "And he might get him, if Cleveland is dumb enough not to take him at No. 1."
Seems right if they don’t  
Dan Blue : 4/15/2018 1:09 pm : link
like any of the top QB’s. As much as I would love to have Chubb, if they take Barkley I’m fine with it.
Giants language to me is saying  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/15/2018 1:13 pm : link
Almost announcing to Denver: 'We want to trade with you!'

If Denver trades to #2, QBs go 1-2-3. Cleveland at #4 either trades to a team desperate for the last top tier QB or likely takes one of Barkley/Chubb. That leaves the other guy at 5. Giants keep saying they like BOTH Barkley and Chubb.
The sweet spot to be gauranteed  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/15/2018 1:15 pm : link
One of the top 2 non QBs is Denver at 5, especially if both have similar grades.
Here’s the source they are citing  
twostepgiants : 4/15/2018 1:15 pm : link
“A national NFL scout who knows Gettleman from crossing paths with him on the road over the years.”

Talk about an air tight source. Maybe they even had lunch together a few years ago?

Still this tops that source the Post had on Steve Wills who cited an anonymous player that Wills coached for 1 year in 2005.

These guys just make stuff up and then everyone cites them and then the rumors swirl that this is what everyone is saying.
Of course they do.  
Nysportsfn13 : 4/15/2018 1:21 pm : link
They also love Chubb..

Doesn't mean they're taking either one tho.
RE: Giants language to me is saying  
Jay in Toronto : 4/15/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13914821 Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx said:
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Almost announcing to Denver: 'We want to trade with you!'

If Denver trades to #2, QBs go 1-2-3. Cleveland at #4 either trades to a team desperate for the last top tier QB or likely takes one of Barkley/Chubb. That leaves the other guy at 5. Giants keep saying they like BOTH Barkley and Chubb.


Only works if Cleveland doesn't take "the guy" that Denver wants.

So much depends on whom Cleveland takes. What a wild west show!!
RE: Throw LTs bust out of Canton  
Vanzetti : 4/15/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13914806 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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To make room for Barkley.


LT is not worthy to hold Barkley’s jockstrap. He gets into Canton on the hype alone
This idiot can’t even rewrite a story he stole with accuracy!  
Ivan15 : 4/15/2018 1:26 pm : link
Sign me up for a job where you don’t have to write a fresh story or be accountable for your mistakes.
RE: RE: Throw LTs bust out of Canton  
Stan in LA : 4/15/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13914844 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 13914806 Coach Red Beaulieu said:


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To make room for Barkley.



LT is not worthy to hold Barkley’s jockstrap. He gets into Canton on the hype alone


LOL. I'm making the mold right now.
Recycling the Post story from yesterday  
jeff57 : 4/15/2018 1:32 pm : link
..
RE: RE: Giants language to me is saying  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/15/2018 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13914841 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 13914821 Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx said:


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Almost announcing to Denver: 'We want to trade with you!'

If Denver trades to #2, QBs go 1-2-3. Cleveland at #4 either trades to a team desperate for the last top tier QB or likely takes one of Barkley/Chubb. That leaves the other guy at 5. Giants keep saying they like BOTH Barkley and Chubb.



Only works if Cleveland doesn't take "the guy" that Denver wants.

So much depends on whom Cleveland takes. What a wild west show!!


True its pretty wild.

Denver could also value 2 guys high enough to pay the move up price.
It’s gonna be a qb  
Bleedblue10 : 4/15/2018 2:26 pm : link
The writing has been on the wall since we hired Shurmer. I can’t even comprehend why anyone would want anything but a qb at #2. I personally think we should take Rosen and thank the football gods for turning our miserable 3-13 season into our next franchise qb. Look what teams would have to give up to trade for our pick? You want to be in that boat in a few years? We haven’t scored 30 points in 2 years, Eli is 37 and the time to pick one couldn’t be more perfect. Supply and demand
The Chosen...  
fanofthejets : 4/15/2018 2:40 pm : link
Still don't believe you guys would pass on Rosen
Do we the 2016 Dallas O-Line  
ZogZerg : 4/15/2018 2:44 pm : link
if we pick Barkley?
Throw those Elliot stats out the window.
Or  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 4/15/2018 2:50 pm : link
They really want Cleveland to think Barkley is the guy so they take him #1 and we get a crack at Darnold!
RE: Here’s the source they are citing  
TrueBlue56 : 4/15/2018 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13914827 twostepgiants said:
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“A national NFL scout who knows Gettleman from crossing paths with him on the road over the years.”

Talk about an air tight source. Maybe they even had lunch together a few years ago?

Still this tops that source the Post had on Steve Wills who cited an anonymous player that Wills coached for 1 year in 2005.

These guys just make stuff up and then everyone cites them and then the rumors swirl that this is what everyone is saying.


To be fair, on big blue kickoff (giants.com) they had an NFL scout who worked with gettleman while in Carolina. This scout talked about the working knowledge of gettleman and said he could definitely see gettleman drafting Barkley.

This may be the same person the post talked to, but those with knowledge of gettleman and his draft philosophy have come out and publicly shared their thoughts.

It's funny how you just have to discredit every bit of information that doesn't fit your mold.

I don't know what the giants will do or who is sharing information for what purpose, but I'm certainly not going to discredit every little bit of information that comes out.

This person doesn't know any sources
This guy is making stuff up
On and on and on

I'm glad you have all of this knowledge of who knows what and everyone is full of it except you of course
The Browns aren’t taking Barkley first...  
Zepp : 4/15/2018 2:54 pm : link
They just signed Carlos Hyde, Tyrod is on a 1 year contract, and they have their choice of the QBs. Plus there is at least a betting chance that Barkley could still be there at 4. It just comes down to the Giants taking him and as has been said they’re down to Chubb and Barkley but really could conceivably go 4 different ways. Realistically the Giants will go Chubb, Barkley, QB, or trade down to another QB team. Which means there is a 75% chance Barkley will still be there at 4. At worst you pick Chubb which is nothing to sneeze at.

So no, the Browns are t taking SB first and they’d be stupid to do that. They’ll take a QB and hold firm on 4.

Now if they really want to be cute they could take any QB not named Darnold and force the Giants to choose between Darnold and Barkley which increases the chances that Barkley will be there at 4. But that’s playing too fast and loose with the QB position and don’t think they will do that.
I suspect this current rumor has more to do with  
George from PA : 4/15/2018 2:57 pm : link
Denver......as the #5 spot.

gets them extra picks....even a 2019 1st.

while still getting one of the top non-qb.

or Cleveland 4th.....nothing to do with their 1st.

I take all these articles now ..like this  
micky : 4/15/2018 2:57 pm : link
for just print.

it's one prospect each day as the "hot commodity" for the giants..or insert teams name here ____.
The problem with trading back is  
SHO'NUFF : 4/15/2018 3:18 pm : link
Cleveland owns #4 and they will be sure to fuck us over on the guy we really want.
RE: The problem with trading back is  
Jay on the Island : 4/15/2018 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13914978 SHO'NUFF said:
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Cleveland owns #4 and they will be sure to fuck us over on the guy we really want.

If Denver trades up to 2 the top three picks will be QB's. That leaves the Giants with either Barkley or Chubb at 5. If they have close to an equal grade on both then they better trade down to get those picks.
RE: The problem with trading back is  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/15/2018 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13914978 SHO'NUFF said:
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Cleveland owns #4 and they will be sure to fuck us over on the guy we really want.


Giants according to multiple reports that have been put out there as well as BBI insiders seem to like both Barkley and Chubb close to equal.

I personally prefer Barkley over all other non QBs by quite a bit.

But it sure seems that the Giants like both in a close range of one another.
RE: RE: The problem with trading back is  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/15/2018 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13914984 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13914978 SHO'NUFF said:


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Cleveland owns #4 and they will be sure to fuck us over on the guy we really want.


If Denver trades up to 2 the top three picks will be QB's. That leaves the Giants with either Barkley or Chubb at 5. If they have close to an equal grade on both then they better trade down to get those picks.


Exactly. Or have the Jets beleive the threat is real to lose out on their top QB target available at 2 and then swap picks with us.

That would give us Barkley garanteed (especially if his grade is slightly to moderately better than Chubbs)
RE: RE: Here’s the source they are citing  
DonnieD89 : 4/15/2018 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13914952 TrueBlue56 said:
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In comment 13914827 twostepgiants said:


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“A national NFL scout who knows Gettleman from crossing paths with him on the road over the years.”

Talk about an air tight source. Maybe they even had lunch together a few years ago?

Still this tops that source the Post had on Steve Wills who cited an anonymous player that Wills coached for 1 year in 2005.

These guys just make stuff up and then everyone cites them and then the rumors swirl that this is what everyone is saying.



To be fair, on big blue kickoff (giants.com) they had an NFL scout who worked with gettleman while in Carolina. This scout talked about the working knowledge of gettleman and said he could definitely see gettleman drafting Barkley.

This may be the same person the post talked to, but those with knowledge of gettleman and his draft philosophy have come out and publicly shared their thoughts.

It's funny how you just have to discredit every bit of information that doesn't fit your mold.

I don't know what the giants will do or who is sharing information for what purpose, but I'm certainly not going to discredit every little bit of information that comes out.

This person doesn't know any sources
This guy is making stuff up
On and on and on

I'm glad you have all of this knowledge of who knows what and everyone is full of it except you of course


Yes. Those comments sound exactly from the Ourlads scout, whom was recently of Big Blue Kickoff. I can’t remember his name. He was just predicting what DG would do with the 2nd overall pick, given his personal familiarity, working as a scout with him in the past. Part of this could be true, but who knows. What I do know is the “You have to take a QB” crowd just totally freaks out when they hear things like this. Chill out guys! No one really knows what is going to happen. I would really like to have Barkley; however, if they choose a quarterback, I would be just as excited. I just hope that the “You have to take a QB” crowd doesn’t route against Barkley if he is selected. That would be pretty cheap.
Gettleman goes QB...  
M.S. : 4/15/2018 5:02 pm : link

...at #2.

And he cluster drafts offensive lineman:

Either
Round 2
Round 3

or
Round 3
Round 4

or
Round 2
Round 4
Could be that the purpose of this rumor is to get Cleveland to move up  
Tom in NY : 4/15/2018 5:37 pm : link
from #4 to guarantee themselves both the QB of their choice (at #1), and Barkley (at #2), giving the Giants #4 and additional 2nd & 3rd round picks.

This move would allow the Giants to pick either Chubb, or a QB, if they like whomever Cleveland and the Jets don't pick.
?????  
OBJRoyal : 4/15/2018 5:44 pm : link
Or maybe this isn’t a rumor and they really DO like Barkley?? Hard to imagine that they like the highest rated player in the draft
CBS article based upon an article from the NY Post...  
GFAN52 : 4/15/2018 6:31 pm : link
how original. lol
RE: ?????  
Tom in NY : 4/15/2018 6:41 pm : link
In comment 13915096 OBJRoyal said:
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Or maybe this isn’t a rumor and they really DO like Barkley?? Hard to imagine that they like the highest rated player in the draft


It's 10 days before the draft...the "lying season." Why would this kind of information make it's way out now?
Look how many talking heads thought Ki Jana Carter and DJ Dozier  
SterlingArcher : 4/15/2018 7:02 pm : link
were great running backs! How did they work out?
RE: Look how many talking heads thought Ki Jana Carter and DJ Dozier  
UConn4523 : 4/15/2018 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13915140 SterlingArcher said:
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were great running backs! How did they work out?


Can’t you do that for any position? Busts happen at LT, QB, DT all the time.
RE: RE: ?????  
OBJRoyal : 4/15/2018 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13915131 Tom in NY said:
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In comment 13915096 OBJRoyal said:


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Or maybe this isn’t a rumor and they really DO like Barkley?? Hard to imagine that they like the highest rated player in the draft



It's 10 days before the draft...the "lying season." Why would this kind of information make it's way out now?


Because this has been the view all along, not just now. The “smoke” as everyone likes to call it has been the Giants like Darnold and Barkley...
they are drafting  
firedbytheboss : 4/15/2018 8:05 pm : link
a QB..
Besides the draft slot and the money that goes with it  
Dave on the UWS : 4/15/2018 8:12 pm : link
I read to many times he runs like a big scat back. When I look at his film clips, that's what I see. Scares the crap out of me at #2.
RE: Do we the 2016 Dallas O-Line  
djm : 4/15/2018 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13914937 ZogZerg said:
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if we pick Barkley?
Throw those Elliot stats out the window.


A great rb is still a great rb. And the giants can fix the ol too. Doesn’t mean it’s going to resemble the most amazing awesome (and overrated, dallas ol still hasn’t one THAT MUCH) ol ever but the offense in general will be more user friendly and professional. Everyone will benefit.
RE: In other words  
giantstock : 4/15/2018 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13914805 Rflairr said:
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Lets try to make Cleveland take him with the first pick


Or have Cleveland trade up from the 4 pick.
They probably love Barkley  
djm : 4/15/2018 8:34 pm : link
Who wouldn’t? He’s a big play machine who is cerebral, built like a Greek god and squeaky clean off the field. News flash the giants love him. No shit. Still doesn’t mean they take him.

The giants undoubtably love 3-4-5 players. Gettleman can come out tomorrow and say Barkley is the best rb he’s ever seen. Ok cool, stil doesn’t mean he takes him.
RE: Gettleman goes QB...  
giantstock : 4/15/2018 8:36 pm : link
In comment 13915076 M.S. said:
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...at #2.

And he cluster drafts offensive lineman:

Either
Round 2
Round 3

or
Round 3
Round 4

or
Round 2
Round 4


I think this too.
RE: They probably love Barkley  
giantstock : 4/15/2018 8:41 pm : link
In comment 13915222 djm said:
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Who wouldn’t? He’s a big play machine who is cerebral, built like a Greek god and squeaky clean off the field. News flash the giants love him. No shit. Still doesn’t mean they take him.

The giants undoubtably love 3-4-5 players. Gettleman can come out tomorrow and say Barkley is the best rb he’s ever seen. Ok cool, stil doesn’t mean he takes him.


I'm sure him being a "Greek God" is a top reason they draft him. LOL

The problem is you need a QB especially after ELi leaves. How do you propose to get one? You realize it's an extremely wild guess that Webb will pan out, right>? And QB's taken in the top 5 or so generally are though to be pretty good - usually. Unless you think Cleveland will nail the QB pick and teh other 3 will stink?

You can't just ignore that the most important position on the football field could possibly be among the worst starters on the team and then expect the G-Men to eb successful. You might as well hope the Greek Gods help you with that one.
RE: RE: In other words  
firedbytheboss : 4/15/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13915221 giantstock said:
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In comment 13914805 Rflairr said:


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Lets try to make Cleveland take him with the first pick



Or have Cleveland trade up from the 4 pick.


Cleveland is not stupid enough to draft Barkley with the first pick. Remember after the combine there was a heavy rumor they would grab Barkley.. "oh nooooo". and after much crying and gnashing of teeth that rumor died in about six minutes. They are drafting a QB. And I doubt they would be foolish enough to take Barkley at 4 either.

If the Giants don't foolishly take Barkley.. he is going to fall to pick 9 or lower.
RE: RE: RE: In other words  
GFAN52 : 4/15/2018 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13915232 firedbytheboss said:
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In comment 13914805 Rflairr said:


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Lets try to make Cleveland take him with the first pick



Or have Cleveland trade up from the 4 pick.



Cleveland is not stupid enough to draft Barkley with the first pick. Remember after the combine there was a heavy rumor they would grab Barkley.. "oh nooooo". and after much crying and gnashing of teeth that rumor died in about six minutes. They are drafting a QB. And I doubt they would be foolish enough to take Barkley at 4 either.

If the Giants don't foolishly take Barkley.. he is going to fall to pick 9 or lower.


Doubt it. Colts will take him.
There are so many qbs near the top...  
manh george : 4/15/2018 9:08 pm : link
and so many apparently near-blue-chip players in the top 7-9 with at least 3 qbs, that the Giants could get a huge payday for a trade-down to 6-10 and still get a potential star.

A top 9 with Barkley, 3 qbs, Chubb, Tremaine Edmunds, Nelson, Denzel Ward and Fitzpatrick looks unusually deep. And some professional mocks have 4 qbs in the top 10, leaving star talent all the way down to 10. It looks like a rare opportunity for a trade-down if they don't want a qb. With 10-deep top talent, you could even make two trades if the picks fall correctly.
RE: RE: RE: In other words  
allstarjim : 4/15/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13915232 firedbytheboss said:
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In comment 13914805 Rflairr said:


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Lets try to make Cleveland take him with the first pick



Or have Cleveland trade up from the 4 pick.



Cleveland is not stupid enough to draft Barkley with the first pick. Remember after the combine there was a heavy rumor they would grab Barkley.. "oh nooooo". and after much crying and gnashing of teeth that rumor died in about six minutes. They are drafting a QB. And I doubt they would be foolish enough to take Barkley at 4 either.

If the Giants don't foolishly take Barkley.. he is going to fall to pick 9 or lower.


You are going to eat a lot of your words on draft day.
RE: There are so many qbs near the top...  
giantstock : 4/15/2018 11:05 pm : link
In comment 13915252 manh george said:
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and so many apparently near-blue-chip players in the top 7-9 with at least 3 qbs, that the Giants could get a huge payday for a trade-down to 6-10 and still get a potential star.

A top 9 with Barkley, 3 qbs, Chubb, Tremaine Edmunds, Nelson, Denzel Ward and Fitzpatrick looks unusually deep. And some professional mocks have 4 qbs in the top 10, leaving star talent all the way down to 10. It looks like a rare opportunity for a trade-down if they don't want a qb. With 10-deep top talent, you could even make two trades if the picks fall correctly.


The reason why they're talking possibly 4 QB's in the top ten is that they are so hard to find and in order to get them you have to give up something obscene or pay obscene cap dollars.

QB is the most important position on the playing field. It's rare the Giants will get this chance ever again.

Though next year they should stink and hopefully draft better than in the past.
You QB or bust guys....  
Britt in VA : 4/15/2018 11:08 pm : link
are shitting your pants right now, aren't you?

It's funny to me, because I'm fine with a QB....
If I wanted to shit my pants  
bceagle05 : 4/15/2018 11:16 pm : link
I'd re-watch the Arizona game from last year, then pop in some videos of Davis Webb trying to hit the broad side of the barn from 20 yards away.
RE: If I wanted to shit my pants  
ThatLimerickGuy : 4/15/2018 11:37 pm : link
In comment 13915338 bceagle05 said:
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I'd re-watch the Arizona game from last year, then pop in some videos of Davis Webb trying to hit the broad side of the barn from 20 yards away.


Pop Quiz.

What was Rosen completion % - 63%
Darnold's- 62%
Webb's- 61.5%

Nice try. Narrative much?
RE: RE: RE: RE: In other words  
firedbytheboss : 4/15/2018 11:42 pm : link
In comment 13915329 allstarjim said:
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Lets try to make Cleveland take him with the first pick



Or have Cleveland trade up from the 4 pick.



Cleveland is not stupid enough to draft Barkley with the first pick. Remember after the combine there was a heavy rumor they would grab Barkley.. "oh nooooo". and after much crying and gnashing of teeth that rumor died in about six minutes. They are drafting a QB. And I doubt they would be foolish enough to take Barkley at 4 either.

If the Giants don't foolishly take Barkley.. he is going to fall to pick 9 or lower.



You are going to eat a lot of your words on draft day.


if the giants take barkley they are freaking idiots. the move will look great for the first 3 years and by year 6 he will be an expensive back on the decline and the jets will be winning super bowls with rosen.
Ryan Nassib: 62.4  
bceagle05 : 4/16/2018 12:13 am : link
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He is so perfect, that if he were "cloned" Barkley  
Jimmy Googs : 4/16/2018 12:28 am : link
would be picked 32 times in the first round...
...  
christian : 4/16/2018 12:57 am : link
I hope the QB throwing to Barkley in 2019 has a semblance of accuracy within 5 yards to take advantage of his pass catching skills.

That would be a killer way to exceed 59.8%.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: In other words  
OBJRoyal : 4/16/2018 2:53 am : link
In comment 13915361 firedbytheboss said:
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Lets try to make Cleveland take him with the first pick



Or have Cleveland trade up from the 4 pick.



Cleveland is not stupid enough to draft Barkley with the first pick. Remember after the combine there was a heavy rumor they would grab Barkley.. "oh nooooo". and after much crying and gnashing of teeth that rumor died in about six minutes. They are drafting a QB. And I doubt they would be foolish enough to take Barkley at 4 either.

If the Giants don't foolishly take Barkley.. he is going to fall to pick 9 or lower.



You are going to eat a lot of your words on draft day.



if the giants take barkley they are freaking idiots. the move will look great for the first 3 years and by year 6 he will be an expensive back on the decline and the jets will be winning super bowls with rosen.


Pretty sure that if the Jets draft Rosen, they won’t be winning any Super Bowls
RE: RE: If I wanted to shit my pants  
lax counsel : 4/16/2018 8:39 am : link
In comment 13915357 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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I'd re-watch the Arizona game from last year, then pop in some videos of Davis Webb trying to hit the broad side of the barn from 20 yards away.



Pop Quiz.

What was Rosen completion % - 63%
Darnold's- 62%
Webb's- 61.5%

Nice try. Narrative much?


College statistics are near useless. Something like 70% of Webb's passes were within 10 yards, so considering that number, 61.5% is quite poor. I assume you've never watched a full Webb game tape, if you had you would see he's wildly inaccurate over 15 yards. He struggles to read even a basic defense and has no feel for the pocket. That's just the surface of his problems. He's an NFL backup.
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