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Greg Cosell Scouting Reports on Top Prospects

mittenedman : 4/15/2018 7:27 pm
He is posting his complete scouting reports to Twitter. So far he has posted Barkley, Chubb and Josh Allen. I'll continue to post as he adds them.
Chubb  
mittenedman : 4/15/2018 7:29 pm : link
Allen  
mittenedman : 4/15/2018 7:30 pm : link
Can we get a link  
robbieballs2003 : 4/15/2018 7:33 pm : link
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Apologies here is Saquon Barkley  
mittenedman : 4/15/2018 7:37 pm : link
link to his twitter  
mittenedman : 4/15/2018 7:38 pm : link
page

Cosell's Twitter - ( New Window )
Greg Cosell is very knowledgeable  
George from PA : 4/15/2018 7:57 pm : link
I agree with Barkley assessment.
love Cosell  
firedbytheboss : 4/15/2018 8:02 pm : link
and he is a big fan of Josh Rosen.. who will be the Giants next QB.
Whenever I read about Allen, I think of Phil Simms as a draftee  
Ivan15 : 4/15/2018 8:13 pm : link
He struggled for 4 seasons before he made himself into a strong QB.

Allen is bigger than Simms but so is the rest of the league. He needs a lot of work and must be self motivated.
Barkley is going to look good in Giants blue  
larryflower37 : 4/15/2018 8:25 pm : link
Offense will be top 5
RE: Barkley is going to look good in Giants blue  
firedbytheboss : 4/15/2018 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13915208 larryflower37 said:
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Barkley .. haha.. you must think Gettleman is quite stupid.
From last August, Cosell reports on Darnold and Rosen  
Ira : 4/15/2018 8:30 pm : link
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since we are posting cosell videos  
firedbytheboss : 4/15/2018 8:37 pm : link
i posted this before but it is a great listen

he breaks down the QBs - this is from MArch. great and insightful listen.


Cosell on top QBs in draft - ( New Window )
Firedbytheboss  
jtgiants : 4/15/2018 8:47 pm : link
Well see. I personally would be shocked if its Rosen. One of us will be very wrong. To me its Barkley, Chubb or trade down. Only qb I could see is Darnold. Time will tell
I find that more and more every day  
blueblood : 4/15/2018 8:57 pm : link
I am wanting Bradley Chubb on this defense.
More and more every day I want the QB  
giantstock : 4/15/2018 9:02 pm : link
Getting down on Darnold up on Mayfield and like Rosen.
RE: Firedbytheboss  
firedbytheboss : 4/15/2018 9:03 pm : link
In comment 13915237 jtgiants said:
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Well see. I personally would be shocked if its Rosen. One of us will be very wrong. To me its Barkley, Chubb or trade down. Only qb I could see is Darnold. Time will tell


indeed.. i am just guessing of course on Rosen. I do think Gettleman knows better than to take a RB at 2, especially with QB as such a pressing need. If he is dead set to not draft a qb he has to trade back. But I think it is cowardly not to start the Giants move into the next era. There will be a qb there that can help us and Dg and PS have to man up and figure out who that is.

Also I am very intrigued that there has been a huge silence from Giants-land regarding Rosen and Mayfield. We hear they love Darnold, Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Allen... but nothing on those two. Meanwhile Jets, Bills, Pats, Broncos beat writers are salivating over those two.

It is my theory that the Giants are being coy, and I believe the pick will be one of those two - Rosen or Mayfield.

Just a theory.
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blueblood : 4/15/2018 9:08 pm : link
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Well see. I personally would be shocked if its Rosen. One of us will be very wrong. To me its Barkley, Chubb or trade down. Only qb I could see is Darnold. Time will tell



indeed.. i am just guessing of course on Rosen. I do think Gettleman knows better than to take a RB at 2, especially with QB as such a pressing need. If he is dead set to not draft a qb he has to trade back. But I think it is cowardly not to start the Giants move into the next era. There will be a qb there that can help us and Dg and PS have to man up and figure out who that is.

Also I am very intrigued that there has been a huge silence from Giants-land regarding Rosen and Mayfield. We hear they love Darnold, Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Allen... but nothing on those two. Meanwhile Jets, Bills, Pats, Broncos beat writers are salivating over those two.

It is my theory that the Giants are being coy, and I believe the pick will be one of those two - Rosen or Mayfield.

Just a theory.


They have met with Mayfield like 4 times and went out to dinner with him last week. They have also had dinner with Rosen.
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firedbytheboss : 4/15/2018 9:12 pm : link
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Well see. I personally would be shocked if its Rosen. One of us will be very wrong. To me its Barkley, Chubb or trade down. Only qb I could see is Darnold. Time will tell



indeed.. i am just guessing of course on Rosen. I do think Gettleman knows better than to take a RB at 2, especially with QB as such a pressing need. If he is dead set to not draft a qb he has to trade back. But I think it is cowardly not to start the Giants move into the next era. There will be a qb there that can help us and Dg and PS have to man up and figure out who that is.

Also I am very intrigued that there has been a huge silence from Giants-land regarding Rosen and Mayfield. We hear they love Darnold, Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Allen... but nothing on those two. Meanwhile Jets, Bills, Pats, Broncos beat writers are salivating over those two.

It is my theory that the Giants are being coy, and I believe the pick will be one of those two - Rosen or Mayfield.

Just a theory.



They have met with Mayfield like 4 times and went out to dinner with him last week. They have also had dinner with Rosen.


yes i know they are meeting with these guys.. but the silence on how they feel about them is deafening. there is just nothing about these two, whereas there are lots of leaks about the 3 big non qbs and darnold. i dunno, just a hunch.
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blueblood : 4/15/2018 9:34 pm : link
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Well see. I personally would be shocked if its Rosen. One of us will be very wrong. To me its Barkley, Chubb or trade down. Only qb I could see is Darnold. Time will tell



indeed.. i am just guessing of course on Rosen. I do think Gettleman knows better than to take a RB at 2, especially with QB as such a pressing need. If he is dead set to not draft a qb he has to trade back. But I think it is cowardly not to start the Giants move into the next era. There will be a qb there that can help us and Dg and PS have to man up and figure out who that is.

Also I am very intrigued that there has been a huge silence from Giants-land regarding Rosen and Mayfield. We hear they love Darnold, Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Allen... but nothing on those two. Meanwhile Jets, Bills, Pats, Broncos beat writers are salivating over those two.

It is my theory that the Giants are being coy, and I believe the pick will be one of those two - Rosen or Mayfield.

Just a theory.



They have met with Mayfield like 4 times and went out to dinner with him last week. They have also had dinner with Rosen.



yes i know they are meeting with these guys.. but the silence on how they feel about them is deafening. there is just nothing about these two, whereas there are lots of leaks about the 3 big non qbs and darnold. i dunno, just a hunch.


Its funny how Giants fans want it both ways..

1) They want there to be no leaks, and they want the Giants to use misdirection so teams cant know what the Giants are going to do and then use it against them.

2) But then they want news regarding what the Giants are going to do..
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giantstock : 4/15/2018 9:56 pm : link
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Well see. I personally would be shocked if its Rosen. One of us will be very wrong. To me its Barkley, Chubb or trade down. Only qb I could see is Darnold. Time will tell



indeed.. i am just guessing of course on Rosen. I do think Gettleman knows better than to take a RB at 2, especially with QB as such a pressing need. If he is dead set to not draft a qb he has to trade back. But I think it is cowardly not to start the Giants move into the next era. There will be a qb there that can help us and Dg and PS have to man up and figure out who that is.

Also I am very intrigued that there has been a huge silence from Giants-land regarding Rosen and Mayfield. We hear they love Darnold, Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Allen... but nothing on those two. Meanwhile Jets, Bills, Pats, Broncos beat writers are salivating over those two.

It is my theory that the Giants are being coy, and I believe the pick will be one of those two - Rosen or Mayfield.

Just a theory.



They have met with Mayfield like 4 times and went out to dinner with him last week. They have also had dinner with Rosen.



yes i know they are meeting with these guys.. but the silence on how they feel about them is deafening. there is just nothing about these two, whereas there are lots of leaks about the 3 big non qbs and darnold. i dunno, just a hunch.



Its funny how Giants fans want it both ways..

1) They want there to be no leaks, and they want the Giants to use misdirection so teams cant know what the Giants are going to do and then use it against them.

2) But then they want news regarding what the Giants are going to do..


I think you're over-exaggerating his point to justify your position because you want the other non qb's.
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blueblood : 4/15/2018 10:20 pm : link
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Well see. I personally would be shocked if its Rosen. One of us will be very wrong. To me its Barkley, Chubb or trade down. Only qb I could see is Darnold. Time will tell



indeed.. i am just guessing of course on Rosen. I do think Gettleman knows better than to take a RB at 2, especially with QB as such a pressing need. If he is dead set to not draft a qb he has to trade back. But I think it is cowardly not to start the Giants move into the next era. There will be a qb there that can help us and Dg and PS have to man up and figure out who that is.

Also I am very intrigued that there has been a huge silence from Giants-land regarding Rosen and Mayfield. We hear they love Darnold, Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Allen... but nothing on those two. Meanwhile Jets, Bills, Pats, Broncos beat writers are salivating over those two.

It is my theory that the Giants are being coy, and I believe the pick will be one of those two - Rosen or Mayfield.

Just a theory.



They have met with Mayfield like 4 times and went out to dinner with him last week. They have also had dinner with Rosen.



yes i know they are meeting with these guys.. but the silence on how they feel about them is deafening. there is just nothing about these two, whereas there are lots of leaks about the 3 big non qbs and darnold. i dunno, just a hunch.



Its funny how Giants fans want it both ways..

1) They want there to be no leaks, and they want the Giants to use misdirection so teams cant know what the Giants are going to do and then use it against them.

2) But then they want news regarding what the Giants are going to do..



I think you're over-exaggerating his point to justify your position because you want the other non qb's.


I have no dog in the fight.. I just care that they get the right player> Ive liked Barkley, Darnold, and am liking Chubb more and more..

I dont believe they should just draft ANY Qb because there are QB's available.. they need to draft teh right QB that they have a conviction on.. only they know who that QB is for them..

Draft any of them.. trade down and get a gaggle of picks.. all works.. just draft good players no matter where you find them..
RE: Whenever I read about Allen, I think of Phil Simms as a draftee  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/15/2018 10:45 pm : link
In comment 13915196 Ivan15 said:
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He struggled for 4 seasons before he made himself into a strong QB.

Allen is bigger than Simms but so is the rest of the league. He needs a lot of work and must be self motivated.


I don't think a Phil Simms can happen in this league. Guys don't get 4 seasons. That's a full rookie contract in a lot of cases.
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firedbytheboss : 4/15/2018 11:01 pm : link
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Well see. I personally would be shocked if its Rosen. One of us will be very wrong. To me its Barkley, Chubb or trade down. Only qb I could see is Darnold. Time will tell



indeed.. i am just guessing of course on Rosen. I do think Gettleman knows better than to take a RB at 2, especially with QB as such a pressing need. If he is dead set to not draft a qb he has to trade back. But I think it is cowardly not to start the Giants move into the next era. There will be a qb there that can help us and Dg and PS have to man up and figure out who that is.

Also I am very intrigued that there has been a huge silence from Giants-land regarding Rosen and Mayfield. We hear they love Darnold, Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Allen... but nothing on those two. Meanwhile Jets, Bills, Pats, Broncos beat writers are salivating over those two.

It is my theory that the Giants are being coy, and I believe the pick will be one of those two - Rosen or Mayfield.

Just a theory.



They have met with Mayfield like 4 times and went out to dinner with him last week. They have also had dinner with Rosen.



yes i know they are meeting with these guys.. but the silence on how they feel about them is deafening. there is just nothing about these two, whereas there are lots of leaks about the 3 big non qbs and darnold. i dunno, just a hunch.



Its funny how Giants fans want it both ways..

1) They want there to be no leaks, and they want the Giants to use misdirection so teams cant know what the Giants are going to do and then use it against them.

2) But then they want news regarding what the Giants are going to do..



I think you're over-exaggerating his point to justify your position because you want the other non qb's.



I have no dog in the fight.. I just care that they get the right player> Ive liked Barkley, Darnold, and am liking Chubb more and more..

I dont believe they should just draft ANY Qb because there are QB's available.. they need to draft teh right QB that they have a conviction on.. only they know who that QB is for them..

Draft any of them.. trade down and get a gaggle of picks.. all works.. just draft good players no matter where you find them..



Of course we need a good QB and not just any guy. But the top 3 of these prospects are not just any guy and possibly all 4 will be stars.

Please also note that an average top-12 QB is more valuable than the best RB in the nfl and probably more valuable than the best G or EDGE player.
RE: RE: Whenever I read about Allen, I think of Phil Simms as a draftee  
.McL. : 4/16/2018 12:59 am : link
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He struggled for 4 seasons before he made himself into a strong QB.

Allen is bigger than Simms but so is the rest of the league. He needs a lot of work and must be self motivated.



I don't think a Phil Simms can happen in this league. Guys don't get 4 seasons. That's a full rookie contract in a lot of cases.


Its unfortunate, but I agree with you on this... In today's league, Simms might not have even made it to the end of his rookie contract. His first 3 seasons he had 39 TDs, 42 Ints, and QB Rates of 66, 58, and 74, Was Benched in favor of Brunner in his 4th season. Nowadays he would just be released...
RE: RE: Barkley is going to look good in Giants blue  
Joey in VA : 4/16/2018 1:03 am : link
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Offense will be top 5



Barkley .. haha.. you must think Gettleman is quite stupid.
I think everyone agrees that you are though.
RE: RE: Whenever I read about Allen, I think of Phil Simms as a draftee  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/16/2018 7:07 am : link
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He struggled for 4 seasons before he made himself into a strong QB.

Allen is bigger than Simms but so is the rest of the league. He needs a lot of work and must be self motivated.



I don't think a Phil Simms can happen in this league. Guys don't get 4 seasons. That's a full rookie contract in a lot of cases.


Or stash away Hostetler on your roster for like 10 years.
Agree with him  
ajr2456 : 4/16/2018 7:22 am : link
That Barkley isnít a powerful runner and runs like a scat back, which gives me pause taking him at #2.
If you're drafting Barkley as a running back  
SirYesSir : 4/16/2018 8:04 am : link
you plan to give 15-18 carries and 3-5 catches a game, then you'd be much better off waiting for another guy imo.

Whoever takes Barkely should be committed to throwing him the ball 8-10 times a game, really in the Marshall Faulk mold, or you're wasting his skills.

If Shurmur isn't willing to make that kind of committment, then just draft Chubb or somebody, because Barkely is a fine runner but what sets him apart and makes him special are his skills as a receiver.
No to Chubb.  
Tuckrule : 4/16/2018 8:51 am : link
I feel like Iím in the minority but I want

Allen
Darnold
Barkley

In that order. Unless the giants really feel like allen is too risky and too much of a project go ahead and grab Barkley.
Barkley walks onto this team and makes it  
bronxgiant : 4/16/2018 9:12 am : link
better day one. Not only on offense but allows the defense to get longer rest periods. Defense was worn out last year and lashed out. With Barkley, OBJ, Engram and Shep. you do not need this superstar do it all QB (None in this group) are anyway and are still years away from playing.
RE: RE: RE: Whenever I read about Allen, I think of Phil Simms as a draftee  
crick n NC : 4/16/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 13915383 .McL. said:
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He struggled for 4 seasons before he made himself into a strong QB.

Allen is bigger than Simms but so is the rest of the league. He needs a lot of work and must be self motivated.



I don't think a Phil Simms can happen in this league. Guys don't get 4 seasons. That's a full rookie contract in a lot of cases.



Its unfortunate, but I agree with you on this... In today's league, Simms might not have even made it to the end of his rookie contract. His first 3 seasons he had 39 TDs, 42 Ints, and QB Rates of 66, 58, and 74, Was Benched in favor of Brunner in his 4th season. Nowadays he would just be released...


You two aren't taking into account how different the passing game was then, also players are coached better in reference to passing then they were then imo. Simms would have had the benefit of today's coaching and rules, which means he also comes out of college more refined. Simms would be an excellent QB in today's game.
Than  
crick n NC : 4/16/2018 11:15 am : link
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GC: Josh Rosen better than Jared Goff and  
shyster : 4/17/2018 1:21 pm : link
GC would "probably" take Rosen as his number one QB in this class.
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Lamar Jackson  
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Rudolph  
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Roquan Smith  
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