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Worst first round draft pick by NYG

djstat : 4/15/2018 11:14 pm
I am torn between

Ron Dayne
Derek Brown
Thomas Lewis
William Joseph
David Wilson
Cedric Jones
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Re Jarrod Bunch,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2018 9:18 am : link
I remember meeting and talking to Paul Zimmerman at a wine tasting around April of ‘91 after winning SB XXV. They actually had the ESPN draft on. I remember him saying after we took Bunch, “the rich just got richer, he’s a steal.”

Unfortunately, injuries did him in.
RE: Had..  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/16/2018 9:19 am : link
FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to be Derek Brown. The guy really had no NFL career to speak of.
Coughlin actually found a use for Derek Brown for a couple of years, as the blocking half of his TE tandem, opposite Pete Mitchell.

The top half of the first round in 1992 was brutal. Brown was a terrible pick, but so were most of the other guys taken in the top 15.
Steve Emtman
Quentin Coryatt
Sean Gilbert
Desmond Howard
Terrell Buckley
David Klingler
Troy Vincent
Bob Whitfield
Tommy Vardell
Ray Roberts
Leon Searcy
Marco Coleman
Eugene Chung
Derek Brown
Johnny Mitchell
RE: RE: Had..  
Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2018 9:25 am : link
In comment 13915561 Big Blue Blogger said:
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FatMan in Charlotte said:

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to be Derek Brown. The guy really had no NFL career to speak of.

Coughlin actually found a use for Derek Brown for a couple of years, as the blocking half of his TE tandem, opposite Pete Mitchell.

The top half of the first round in 1992 was brutal. Brown was a terrible pick, but so were most of the other guys taken in the top 15.
Steve Emtman
Quentin Coryatt
Sean Gilbert
Desmond Howard
Terrell Buckley
David Klingler
Troy Vincent
Bob Whitfield
Tommy Vardell
Ray Roberts
Leon Searcy
Marco Coleman
Eugene Chung
Derek Brown
Johnny Mitchell


Vincent was an all-Pro caliber DB, Searcy was very good in tandem with Boselli, Mitchell was pretty solid for a few years, Whitfield was also solid for years, but much of this list sucked
Take David Wilson off that list...  
M.S. : 4/16/2018 9:26 am : link

...and replace him with Ereck Flowers and Eli Apple.

RE: Had..  
Brown Recluse : 4/16/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13915490 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to be Derek Brown. The guy really had no NFL career to speak of.

I've always been on the side of Dave Brown that thinks he takes too much shit. He was a starting calibre QB for several years, and was hampered by being part of the Jersey Broncos and Reeves.

Guy gave it his all and it wasn't like he had a supporting cast that he let down.


Agree on Dave Brown. I was always a fan of his. Tough guy who always put in 100%. Definitely could have been a better QB if he'd been in a better situation.

And that hit on Deion Sanders alone is worth the draft selection :) One of the most meaningless yet satisfying plays I'll probably see.
Prior to Wilsons Injury  
djstat : 4/16/2018 10:11 am : link
Total of 21 games: 115 Att 504 yards rushing and 5 tds

Average was high due to a couple of large runs in late 2012.

He was a bust in terms of a first round draft pick even based on years 1-2.

Sad what happened
Lewis epitomized everything about the  
NoPeanutz : 4/16/2018 10:18 am : link
"Malaise days" of the 1990s the zero-offense Giants of my childhood. He appeared in 34 games in four years. In that time, he had 73 catches, 5 TDs and 3 fumbles.

Take out 1996, and Lewis appeared in only 21 games, catching 21 balls for 1TD over three years. At least Flowers and Apple are on the field, giving us something to complain about. With those two, Mondays are at least interesting. This guy was invisible milquetoast.

I agree with Fatman  
GeorgeAdams33 : 4/16/2018 10:32 am : link
Derek Brown takes the cake

David Wilson, Jarrod Bunch, and George Adams were all good looking prospects who were coming along just fine until they were injured. For all three guys, their physical conditions forced them to quit playing football. I really wish that people would quit lumping these guys in with all of the truly horrible draft choices.

Butch Woolfolk was a BUST. Eric Moore was a BUST. Ron Dayne was a BUST. William Joseph was a BUST. Eric Dorsey, Brian Williams, Luke Petitgout, Prince Amukamara, Kenny Phillips, Mathias Kiwanuka, & Justin Pugh were not busts, but they never played up to their draft slot.

Williams, at 6'-5" 310 could not beat out 6'-3" 265 Bart Oates for 4 or 5 years and then Oates went on to play for the 49ers. Williams started for like one year before being forced to retire because of an eye injury. I wonder if that's considered a bust by some folks on BBI.
Drafting with no backup plan is a killer  
GeorgeAdams33 : 4/16/2018 10:41 am : link
We got stuck with Cedric Jones and I thought we were going to draft Ogden. I felt the same way after the two trades that stole Floyd & Conklin because choosing Eli Apple @ 10 was like a kick to the nuts.

I truly believe that if we don't LOVE one of the QBs, our best move on the 26th would be trading down one slot at a time as many times as we can and then drafting to fortify the lines on either side of the ball.
Rock Thompson  
Jay in Toronto : 4/16/2018 10:43 am : link
not even close!
Some good choices so far  
prh : 4/16/2018 11:14 am : link
I nominate John Hicks,he finished 2nd in Heisman voting. We picked him third overall. Started as a LT later moved to guard. He wasn't very good at either position.
His only saving grace was he was traded to the Steelers for Jim Clack who was a decent center for a few years. Hicks never played for the Steelers.
RE: Some good choices so far  
Victor in CT : 4/16/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 13915811 prh said:
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I nominate John Hicks,he finished 2nd in Heisman voting. We picked him third overall. Started as a LT later moved to guard. He wasn't very good at either position.
His only saving grace was he was traded to the Steelers for Jim Clack who was a decent center for a few years. Hicks never played for the Steelers.


You mean the John Hicks who was NFC Offensive Rookie of the Year? RIght, he couldn't play.

He had knee issues, and health from diabetes.

"Hicks, who was selected in the first-round (No. 3 overall) in the 1974 NFL Draft by the Giants, was named the UPI NFC Rookie of Year that same year. He would go on to spend four seasons with the Giants, appearing in 52 games with 50 starts before being traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers for offensive lineman Jim Clack and wide receiver Ernie Pough.

A falling out with then-head coach John McVay and a brawl with teammate Jack Gregory are ultimately what led to his trade."
Former Giants first-round pick John Hicks dead at 65 - ( New Window )
RE: Too soon for Eli Apple?  
Victor in CT : 4/16/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 13915363 BrianLeonard23 said:
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Two years in, complete trash.


Right. He had an excellent rookie year, and was one of the reasons therer was such high hopes for the D in 2017. A reasonable person would say that the jury is out and he has to prove himself this year.
RE: the worst first round pick is  
BigBlue4You09 : 4/16/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13915362 firedbytheboss said:
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Saquon Barkley


Ok troll
Yeah, Hicks was a decent player  
jeff57 : 4/16/2018 11:59 am : link
At least for a while.
Don't Think Injuries  
clatterbuck : 4/16/2018 12:07 pm : link
should factor into "bust' designation. Tucker Frederickson would have been an all-time Giant were it not for the knee injuries. Bunch, George Adams, Wilson were promising players. Troy Archer was killed in a vehicular accident. Doesn't mean he was a bad draft pick. Now Rocky Thompson, he was a bust. The apt-named Joe Don Looney, he was a bust. Giants perhaps were trying to emulate Cowboys success with Bob Hayes when they picked Thompson but geez. One wonders if anyone from the organization talked to Looney or his college coaches before he was drafted. Hicks, Gordon King, Larry Jacobson, Jim Files were other players, drafted out of desperation, with middling careers who were not worthy of a #1 pick But the number 1 picks that still piss me off the most are those we traded for Tarkenton and Craig Morton.
RE: It depends on how you treat factors like draft position and injuries.  
xtian : 4/16/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13915458 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Tucker Frederickson was the #1 pick. After his rookie year, he was a shell of the player the Giants drafted. From an ROI standpoint, the worst was probably a top-five pick like him, John Hicks or Cedric Jones - although Frederickson and Hicks were reasonable picks at the time, and Jones was the result of picking fifth in a draft with four blue-chip players and one sociopathic running back.

The worst use of a first round pick was probably the Craig Morton trade. That was the #2 selection in 1975, which the Cowboys turned into Randy White. The fourth pick that year was Walter Payton. On the other hand, if the Giants had kept the pick, they might very well have taken Ken Huff or Mack Mitchell.


Tucker Frederickson tore up knee, that's why he was shell of himself. this was all before surgery could fix knees up. i guess chicago should blast gale sayers for only having a few good years. geez!
RE: RE: Dave Brown  
Matt M. : 4/16/2018 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13915342 jnoble said:
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Tyrone Wheatley


I'm always going to think Brown could've been a decent QB if he had a better coaching staff and offense to work with
I always said the same thing. Don't get me wrong. I don't think he was ever going to be a top flight QB. But, I do feel he could have been decent if not for Reeves (same goes for Wheatley). George Young didn't help either, as those teams had abysmal OLs and receiving options. They just ran Hampton into the ground, essentially ruining his career also.
It's Dave Brown, and it's not even close...  
x meadowlander : 4/16/2018 12:15 pm : link
...building a team around that blown pick set the team back 3 years.

Had the organization scrambling... Kent Graham, Danny Kannell?



Those who remember, by the end, under pressure he would just heave fucking airballs. He was awful. And there was no backup plan.

Was a dark period.

Funny thing though. In terms of wins/losses, mid 90's were better than what we've been dealing with.
Derek Brown and IT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE  
Red Dog : 4/16/2018 12:18 pm : link
Derek Brown took more money from the GIANTS for doing less over a longer period of time than any of these other guys.

Joe Don Looney was a terrible pick but he was gone almost immediately.

David Wilson gets a pass for an undiscovered medical problem.

Guys like Dave Brown, George Adams, our famous one-eyed DE, and some of the others were disappointments, but not even close to the Derek Brown disaster.

And anybody who thinks Jerrod Bunch was a bad pick simply does not know what they are talking about. He would have been a great back, but his career was derailed by an injury.

RE: RE: It depends on how you treat factors like draft position and injuries.  
jeff57 : 4/16/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13915896 xtian said:
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In comment 13915458 Big Blue Blogger said:


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Tucker Frederickson was the #1 pick. After his rookie year, he was a shell of the player the Giants drafted. From an ROI standpoint, the worst was probably a top-five pick like him, John Hicks or Cedric Jones - although Frederickson and Hicks were reasonable picks at the time, and Jones was the result of picking fifth in a draft with four blue-chip players and one sociopathic running back.

The worst use of a first round pick was probably the Craig Morton trade. That was the #2 selection in 1975, which the Cowboys turned into Randy White. The fourth pick that year was Walter Payton. On the other hand, if the Giants had kept the pick, they might very well have taken Ken Huff or Mack Mitchell.



Tucker Frederickson tore up knee, that's why he was shell of himself. this was all before surgery could fix knees up. i guess chicago should blast gale sayers for only having a few good years. geez!


He never was in Sayers' class. Or Butkus's.
In my lifetime  
Matt M. : 4/16/2018 12:18 pm : link
I would say Cedric Jones.

One guy who isn't the worst, but not getting any mention is Richburg. He had 1 good year, and 3 terrible years. In my opinion, he has been a worse pick than Flowers.
Nobody for Eldridge Small?  
jeff57 : 4/16/2018 12:21 pm : link
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RE: In my lifetime  
jeff57 : 4/16/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13915917 Matt M. said:
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I would say Cedric Jones.

One guy who isn't the worst, but not getting any mention is Richburg. He had 1 good year, and 3 terrible years. In my opinion, he has been a worse pick than Flowers.


Wasn't a first round pick.
RE: In my lifetime  
Mike in NY : 4/16/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13915917 Matt M. said:
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I would say Cedric Jones.

One guy who isn't the worst, but not getting any mention is Richburg. He had 1 good year, and 3 terrible years. In my opinion, he has been a worse pick than Flowers.


Richburg was a 2nd Rounder. I think he would have been better served having more of a redshirt year his first season and work solely on getting the strength necessary to be an interior OL. Due to injuries and poor performance by others he was forced into the line-up at OG. In college he was pushed around by DT's and NFL guys are bigger and stronger.
I remember watching Derek Brown from the stands...  
Matt G : 4/16/2018 12:28 pm : link
Sitting on the bench and laughing in the middle of an ass kicking while he was 3rd on the depth chart... Talk about a guy who couldn’t have cared any less...
Wilson doesn’t belong on that list...  
Matt G : 4/16/2018 12:29 pm : link
Dave Brown as he cost us a 1st round pick in 1993
Rocky Thompson  
PatersonPlank : 4/16/2018 12:29 pm : link
Honorable Mention

Derek Brown
Thomas Lewis
RE: RE: It depends on how you treat factors like draft position and injuries.  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/16/2018 12:36 pm : link
Big Blue Blogger said:
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Tucker Frederickson was the #1 pick. After his rookie year, he was a shell of the player the Giants drafted. From an ROI standpoint, the worst was probably a top-five pick like him, John Hicks or Cedric Jones - although Frederickson and Hicks were reasonable picks at the time, and Jones was the result of picking fifth in a draft with four blue-chip players and one sociopathic running back.
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Tucker Frederickson tore up knee, that's why he was shell of himself. this was all before surgery could fix knees up. i guess chicago should blast gale sayers for only having a few good years. geez!
That was the point of the reference to injuries in the headline on my post: If a player suffered an early, career-altering injury like Frederickson's, do you judge his selection on production, or on what he offered as the time the Giants picked him?

Genuinely awful picks like Thomas Lewis and Derek Brown belong in a different category than promising players who got hurt, like Frederickson, Wilson and Bunch.
Derek  
capegman : 4/16/2018 12:50 pm : link
Brown for me.
John Hicks Ohio State guard  
WillieYoung : 4/16/2018 12:51 pm : link
Drafted #3 overall. Outland trophy winner. Played four years for terrible Giants teams and never broke into the starting lineup.
RE: RE: In my lifetime  
Matt M. : 4/16/2018 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13915937 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 13915917 Matt M. said:


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I would say Cedric Jones.

One guy who isn't the worst, but not getting any mention is Richburg. He had 1 good year, and 3 terrible years. In my opinion, he has been a worse pick than Flowers.



Richburg was a 2nd Rounder. I think he would have been better served having more of a redshirt year his first season and work solely on getting the strength necessary to be an interior OL. Due to injuries and poor performance by others he was forced into the line-up at OG. In college he was pushed around by DT's and NFL guys are bigger and stronger.
Thank you. Yes, no I remember he was taken in round 2. Another guy I wanted to mention, Kanavis McGhee, I remembered was a Round 2 selection before I listed him here.
RE: John Hicks Ohio State guard  
jeff57 : 4/16/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13915974 WillieYoung said:
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Drafted #3 overall. Outland trophy winner. Played four years for terrible Giants teams and never broke into the starting lineup.


He didn't? I remember him starting a lot of games.
RE: Don't Think Injuries  
xtian : 4/16/2018 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13915895 clatterbuck said:
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should factor into "bust' designation. Tucker Frederickson would have been an all-time Giant were it not for the knee injuries. Bunch, George Adams, Wilson were promising players. Troy Archer was killed in a vehicular accident. Doesn't mean he was a bad draft pick. Now Rocky Thompson, he was a bust. The apt-named Joe Don Looney, he was a bust. Giants perhaps were trying to emulate Cowboys success with Bob Hayes when they picked Thompson but geez. One wonders if anyone from the organization talked to Looney or his college coaches before he was drafted. Hicks, Gordon King, Larry Jacobson, Jim Files were other players, drafted out of desperation, with middling careers who were not worthy of a #1 pick But the number 1 picks that still piss me off the most are those we traded for Tarkenton and Craig Morton.


exactly! short-lived careers because of injuries doesn't equate to being a bust.
I'd go with Derrick Brown......  
BillKo : 4/16/2018 1:34 pm : link
....he had zero impact on the Giants.

I remember being at a Giants preseason game in 1992 verus the Jets with my Dad and he saw Brown run out of the tunnel. His remark was "who is # so-and-so...wow, he looks like a player!"

Some things you never forget!!
RE: John Hicks Ohio State guard  
Victor in CT : 4/16/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13915974 WillieYoung said:
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Drafted #3 overall. Outland trophy winner. Played four years for terrible Giants teams and never broke into the starting lineup.


FALSE! He started 50 of 52 games and was Offensive Rookie of the Year. The link is in my 11:52 post.
I think we have to draw a line.  
FStubbs : 4/16/2018 3:37 pm : link
Some of these guys like the one who went 12th overall and lasted just a month were before we had modern scouting and they were drafting out of Street and Smith's. Naturally the busts like those would be worse than anybody we'd pick in the modern era.
Rocky Thompson  
louinma : 4/16/2018 4:56 pm : link
I recall a classic Rocky run. He went 60 yards sideline to side line and 1 yard forward ......
Don't see how David Wilson  
Sonic Youth : 4/16/2018 4:57 pm : link
is worse than william Joseph, who did literally nothing.

Joseph was probably the worst for as far back as I can remember closely following the Giants (2000/2001)
Worst was first overall pick  
Carl in CT : 4/16/2018 5:05 pm : link
Tucker Fredrickson when Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers went #2 & #3. Talk about a punch to the guy.
David Wilson  
giantfan2000 : 4/16/2018 5:44 pm : link
wow people forget even thought David Wilson was not starting RB
he made the Pro Bowl as Kick Returner which has not happen to Giants in many many many years
RE: Rocky Thompson  
jnoble : 4/16/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13915944 PatersonPlank said:
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Honorable Mention

Derek Brown
Thomas Lewis


Lewis has the infamy of catching clean and running with what should've been a sure walk-in TD pass early in the '94 season and then abruptly tripping over nothing and hurting himself in the process
rocky thompson  
bobc : 4/16/2018 7:43 pm : link
He was drafted to be a paul warfield and they found out he could not catch the ball. returned kicks a couple of years but Joh Hicks might take the cake. Back then the giants scouting was a joke and Ohio State listed him as a huge offensive guard. When he arrived in New York and was introduced to Mara they thought it was a joke being played on him when a 6 foot 230 pound out of shape lineman walked into his office..
Giants Worst 1st Round Draft Pick  
johnboyw : 4/16/2018 7:56 pm : link
You younger fellas might not remember this one but in 1972 they took an All American DT from Nebraska named Larry Jacobsen. Guy was 6'6" and 250. He apparently didn't work out much because the CBs were out lifting him in the weight room. Never did a thing for them and basically got laughed off the team. Solid scouting there.
For me its Thomas Lewis  
Rudy5757 : 4/17/2018 1:26 pm : link
I remember being like "Who the F is Thomas Lewis" looking through allof my draft papers and he was a horrible 1st round pick. Cedric Jones was another but at least he played and did a little but man where those terrible picks.

Then Jarrod Bunch, who takes a FB in the 1st round???

I wanted Alexander and we went with Dayne.

Those are my top head scratchers that also bombed.
Was Rocky Thompson  
5BowlsSoon : 4/17/2018 5:06 pm : link
A first round pick?
RE: For me its Thomas Lewis  
jnoble : 4/18/2018 1:14 am : link
In comment 13917541 Rudy5757 said:
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I remember being like "Who the F is Thomas Lewis" looking through allof my draft papers and he was a horrible 1st round pick. Cedric Jones was another but at least he played and did a little but man where those terrible picks.

Then Jarrod Bunch, who takes a FB in the 1st round???

I wanted Alexander and we went with Dayne.

Those are my top head scratchers that also bombed.


Ron Dayne was great in college but didn't have the openings to run through in the pro game
RE: I agree with Fatman  
.McL. : 4/18/2018 3:53 am : link
In comment 13915721 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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Derek Brown takes the cake

David Wilson, Jarrod Bunch, and George Adams were all good looking prospects who were coming along just fine until they were injured. For all three guys, their physical conditions forced them to quit playing football. I really wish that people would quit lumping these guys in with all of the truly horrible draft choices.

Butch Woolfolk was a BUST. Eric Moore was a BUST. Ron Dayne was a BUST. William Joseph was a BUST. Eric Dorsey, Brian Williams, Luke Petitgout, Prince Amukamara, Kenny Phillips, Mathias Kiwanuka, & Justin Pugh were not busts, but they never played up to their draft slot.

Williams, at 6'-5" 310 could not beat out 6'-3" 265 Bart Oates for 4 or 5 years and then Oates went on to play for the 49ers. Williams started for like one year before being forced to retire because of an eye injury. I wonder if that's considered a bust by some folks on BBI.


The one year Williams played he was awesome. Pretty much everybody agreed he was a huge upgrade over Oates at that time. The eye injury happened in training camp, it really set the Giants back. It took years to find another competent center.
RE: RE: Some good choices so far  
.McL. : 4/18/2018 3:59 am : link
In comment 13915868 Victor in CT said:
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I nominate John Hicks,he finished 2nd in Heisman voting. We picked him third overall. Started as a LT later moved to guard. He wasn't very good at either position.
His only saving grace was he was traded to the Steelers for Jim Clack who was a decent center for a few years. Hicks never played for the Steelers.



You mean the John Hicks who was NFC Offensive Rookie of the Year? RIght, he couldn't play.

He had knee issues, and health from diabetes.

"Hicks, who was selected in the first-round (No. 3 overall) in the 1974 NFL Draft by the Giants, was named the UPI NFC Rookie of Year that same year. He would go on to spend four seasons with the Giants, appearing in 52 games with 50 starts before being traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers for offensive lineman Jim Clack and wide receiver Ernie Pough.

A falling out with then-head coach John McVay and a brawl with teammate Jack Gregory are ultimately what led to his trade." Former Giants first-round pick John Hicks dead at 65 - ( New Window )


I remember Hicks... Yeah he ad 1 good year, but after that he was brutal. He was so bad by comparison Flowers looks like Pace or Ogden...
RE: Derek Brown Career Stats  
Jimmy Googs : 4/18/2018 7:34 am : link
In comment 13915372 Jimmy Googs said:
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Receptions: 43
Receiving yards: 401
Touchdowns: 1

The guy was the 14th pick in the draft.

Those numbers are like what Witten did to us for 2 games per year...


rinse...repeat
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