Does anybody find it weird that the media has very little to say about Rosen to the Giants? Ben Allbright is really one of the only media members to mention that possibility. Sy said if the Giants go QB it'll be Rosen. Colin mentioned something about him last week. Other then that he's barely mentioned. Everything else is Barkley, Chubb, trade down or that Darnold is the only QB the Giants want.
I just think it's very strange that they have no interest in the player they've met with most. The guy our one of our Owners flew all the way across the country to have dinner with.
Yet we didn't hear anything about Mara traveling anywhere else for dinner. Yes he may have had dinner with other prospects when they visited the team, but I'm sure Rosen did as well.
The media has just been completely wrong about basically everything we've done since we hired Gettleman that it's hard for me to believe they have any idea what we want to do in the draft. Albert Breer said we don't like Rosen. Yet we met with him at the combine. Met with him before his Pro Day & then went to his Pro Day, held a private workout in Cali & both of our Owners had dinner with him before that. Then we brought him in for a 2 day visit to NY. Seems like a lot of resources & time being spent on someone they don't like.
I'm cool with Darnold or Rosen, but the lack of mentions he's getting is extremely weird to me when we've spent so much time with him. I'm starting to think he might be the QB they like, but they don't want it out there, because they don't want the Jets to jump them.
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I hope the Giants take Rosen if they go QB at 2 whether SD is available or not
I'm cool with Darnold or Rosen, but the lack of mentions he's getting is extremely weird to me when we've spent so much time with him. I'm starting to think he might be the QB they like, but they don't want it out there, because they don't want the Jets to jump them.
Nothing the Jets do will dislodge Cleveland from the 1st pick. Nothing.
I just want to say Thank You to DG.....as no one has been able to focus on our true target.
I agree completely. I don't think they touch Rosen. If its a QB it will be Darnold.
Lets hope so
But. Eveyone has the Giants at "no QB" right now and basically Barkley or Chubb.
If thats true, everyone knows.
Lets hope its not.
Meaning Jets prefer Mayfield to Rosen?
2.Having a QB who can hit Beckham in stride= ability to score from any point on the field.
3.He may have injury issues but is still more likely to last until age 30 than Barkley
4.Personality issues certainly over played. He will be smart enough to keep his mouth shut and collect his salary and endorsements.
He will play in New York (NJ really). I hope with the Giants not the Jets
The reason is his static address. It makes him easy to find for the Edge Rushers. I think teams are seeing that at this point in time a somewhat mobile QB, and I'm not talking about a run first or single read guy, is adventageous. His lack of mobility is what will hurt Rosen's draft position, IMO.
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I want absolutely no part of Rosen in any size, shape or form.
I want absolutely no part of Rosen in any size, shape or form.
He has a 99 Douchiness rating in Madden. Pass.
Hear's what we are hearing bubbling just beneath the surface. Always with the proviso that at this time of the year you just can't trust 100% what you hear however we are sort of confident in that we are hearing similar things from several different directions.
First it appears as if Rosen may have taken off a little of late. He has the best pure arm talent since Luck; he has blown away people in interviews with his football acumen; and for the most part the questions about his passion for the game and commitment have been put to rest. He's still not quite in the same class as Luck as he lacks the toughness and mobility, but he's probably as close as anyone has been since.
That puts the Browns in a bit of a pickle because Rosen has for all intents and purposes told them he doesn't want to play in Cleveland and they don't want an Elway-Eli situation. So in a perfect world they'd like to trade out of #1 to someone that wants Rosen but still leave themselves in position to grab Darnold and there just aren't many places you can do that. Meanwhile, the Giants are kind of in the catbird seat when it comes to Rosen - if that is indeed where they want to go and the fact that Mara went all the way to west coast to have dinner with the kid is about as telling a tell as you are going to get in the draft business short of a team announcing outright before the draft who they are taking - but are worried about the off-chance that the Browns deal with someone else like the Jets. Not likely to happen but they may have to hold their breath for a bit on the 26th.
PS I am with Eric on this. We are really aren't going to find out anything substantially new between now and the 26th such that we are going to be treated to a 10-days speculation (which is what I guess we are doing here but at least we have some evidence to back it up.)
Nope. Eli 2.0.
Nope.
If there's a Jeff George in this draft, it's Josh Allen. Not Josh Rosen.
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the fact that Mara went all the way to west coast to have dinner with the kid is about as telling a tell as you are going to get in the draft business short of a team announcing outright before the draft who they are taking - but are worried about the off-chance that the Browns deal with someone else like the Jets.
Was it ever confirmed that John Mara attended the dinner? I know there was some conflicting reports at the time on whether it was John or Chris Mara who was there.
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John Mara said not to read anything into the dinner he and Steve Tisch had with UCLA QB Josh Rosen. He said he'll be having dinner with a lot of the top guys in the draft.
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John Mara said not to read anything into the dinner he and Steve Tisch had with UCLA QB Josh Rosen. He said he'll be having dinner with a lot of the top guys in the draft.
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the fact that Mara went all the way to west coast to have dinner with the kid is about as telling a tell as you are going to get in the draft business short of a team announcing outright before the draft who they are taking - but are worried about the off-chance that the Browns deal with someone else like the Jets.
Was it ever confirmed that John Mara attended the dinner? I know there was some conflicting reports at the time on whether it was John or Chris Mara who was there.
Ralph Vacchiano
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John Mara said not to read anything into the dinner he and Steve Tisch had with UCLA QB Josh Rosen. He said he'll be having dinner with a lot of the top guys in the draft.
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And if the Giants are not seriously considering taking Rosen, then why would Mara go out of his way to insist that the dinner was no big deal?
If they weren't interested in Rosen, wouldn't it be smarter to play up the dinner or simply not address it?
If they weren't interested in Rosen, wouldn't it be smarter to play up the dinner or simply not address it?
I believe Rosen is the best QB prospect since Luck, he wants the Giants and the Giants are sitting around hoping no else realizes it and are thankful they are once again holding the "Eli card" (top guy lets it be known he doesnt want to play for 1 pick team)
Giants are in tough spot with 2 Clev picks and Jets at 3. Thats why all the cloak & dagger
Your posts give me hope in light of the media onslaught.
Thank you!
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if the Giants are not seriously considering taking Rosen, then why would Mara go out of his way to insist that the dinner was no big deal?
If they weren't interested in Rosen, wouldn't it be smarter to play up the dinner or simply not address it?
That was my first reaction as well, but we weren't there to place it in context. It was likely simply a response to a question, not necessarily Mara "going out of his way" to downplay it.
The Giants have made mo attempt to counter the Rosen narrative. The dominant story one day was "Giants domt like Rosen". It is media gospel right now that they are not taking Rosen
That alone is suspicious.
If it was try, why not counter it? To mask your true intentions?
Could the GIants be playing mind games or am I just reading way too much into it? THey express their love for Barkley to get Cle to take him at 1 instead of 4. Or to raise the cost in a trade.
I can def see Rosen as our guy.
I can see a comparison to Jay Cutler, though.
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the fact that Mara went all the way to west coast to have dinner with the kid is about as telling a tell as you are going to get in the draft business short of a team announcing outright before the draft who they are taking - but are worried about the off-chance that the Browns deal with someone else like the Jets.
Was it ever confirmed that John Mara attended the dinner? I know there was some conflicting reports at the time on whether it was John or Chris Mara who was there.
Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
John Mara said not to read anything into the dinner he and Steve Tisch had with UCLA QB Josh Rosen. He said he'll be having dinner with a lot of the top guys in the draft.
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LOL What else would he say? By all means, read into the fact I went to dinner with him?
And yes JT there is so much out there right now it is hard to tell fact from smokescreen. However, I would be absolutely shocked if the Giants take Barkley at #2. (I would just sort of be shocked if they took Chubb who at least can rush the other guys passer!)The absolute value of that pick is the QBs and you either take one or hold up another team in a trade. Even Buffalo at 12 and 22. Would you trade Barkley for Marcus Davenport, Mike McGlinchey and Isaaih Oliver (in 2) plus an extra #1 in 2109.
here's why you don't trade and take the QB. You are very likely going to be in a situation within the next couple of years here you have to give all those extra picks back plus maybe more to move back up to get your QB. Time will tell though.
I don't know many owners who go and meet with draft prospects. I know Howie Rosman went to meet Wentz prior to his Pro Day and the Browns owner went to meet Allen & Darnold. Which we know they are drafting 1 of them. To me it's a huge deal and the media never really picked up on it.
And yes JT there is so much out there right now it is hard to tell fact from smokescreen. However, I would be absolutely shocked if the Giants take Barkley at #2. (I would just sort of be shocked if they took Chubb who at least can rush the other guys passer!)The absolute value of that pick is the QBs and you either take one or hold up another team in a trade. Even Buffalo at 12 and 22. Would you trade Barkley for Marcus Davenport, Mike McGlinchey and Isaaih Oliver (in 2) plus an extra #1 in 2109.
here's why you don't trade and take the QB. You are very likely going to be in a situation within the next couple of years here you have to give all those extra picks back plus maybe more to move back up to get your QB. Time will tell though.
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If there's a Jeff George in this draft, it's Josh Allen. Not Josh Rosen.
I can see a comparison to Jay Cutler, though.
The difference is that Cutler doesn't care enough to be a great franchise QB. The talent is there but the work ethic and desire just aren't.