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Big Rick in FL : 4/16/2018 9:18 am
Does anybody find it weird that the media has very little to say about Rosen to the Giants? Ben Allbright is really one of the only media members to mention that possibility. Sy said if the Giants go QB it'll be Rosen. Colin mentioned something about him last week. Other then that he's barely mentioned. Everything else is Barkley, Chubb, trade down or that Darnold is the only QB the Giants want.

I just think it's very strange that they have no interest in the player they've met with most. The guy our one of our Owners flew all the way across the country to have dinner with.

Yet we didn't hear anything about Mara traveling anywhere else for dinner. Yes he may have had dinner with other prospects when they visited the team, but I'm sure Rosen did as well.

The media has just been completely wrong about basically everything we've done since we hired Gettleman that it's hard for me to believe they have any idea what we want to do in the draft. Albert Breer said we don't like Rosen. Yet we met with him at the combine. Met with him before his Pro Day & then went to his Pro Day, held a private workout in Cali & both of our Owners had dinner with him before that. Then we brought him in for a 2 day visit to NY. Seems like a lot of resources & time being spent on someone they don't like.
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Based on reports and expert opinions (including Sy’s)  
Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2018 9:21 am : link
I hope the Giants take Rosen if they go QB at 2 whether SD is available or not
RE: Based on reports and expert opinions (including Sy’s)  
Big Rick in FL : 4/16/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 13915567 Big Blue '56 said:
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I hope the Giants take Rosen if they go QB at 2 whether SD is available or not


I'm cool with Darnold or Rosen, but the lack of mentions he's getting is extremely weird to me when we've spent so much time with him. I'm starting to think he might be the QB they like, but they don't want it out there, because they don't want the Jets to jump them.
There is a process they follow  
UberAlias : 4/16/2018 9:26 am : link
DG spoke about this. Until the process is completed, there is no decision. The Giants are doing their research, following the process on all the usual suspects. Don't read too much into what they do with any one guy. That's just the process at work, not a signal.
RE: RE: Based on reports and expert opinions (including Sy’s)  
section125 : 4/16/2018 9:26 am : link
In comment 13915572 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 13915567 Big Blue '56 said:


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I hope the Giants take Rosen if they go QB at 2 whether SD is available or not



I'm cool with Darnold or Rosen, but the lack of mentions he's getting is extremely weird to me when we've spent so much time with him. I'm starting to think he might be the QB they like, but they don't want it out there, because they don't want the Jets to jump them.


Nothing the Jets do will dislodge Cleveland from the 1st pick. Nothing.
Peter king today  
jtgiants : 4/16/2018 9:26 am : link
Said in mmqb he believes it will be Barkley or Chubb and Rosen may fall past 6. I got killed for saying that last week but I also believe it to b true
Rosen is the best QB in this draft  
GoBlue6599 : 4/16/2018 9:26 am : link
I think he or Darnold will be Giants
Nobody knows  
TMS : 4/16/2018 9:26 am : link
what the giants are planning to do, which is a good thing. His skill set is comparable to all the other QBs out there so I am sure he is under consideration.
I think we see a wave of options  
George from PA : 4/16/2018 9:29 am : link
between the QBs...Darnold, Allen and Rosen and Barkley and Chubb....or trade down.

I just want to say Thank You to DG.....as no one has been able to focus on our true target.
RE: Peter king today  
Reb8thVA : 4/16/2018 9:37 am : link
In comment 13915581 jtgiants said:
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Said in mmqb he believes it will be Barkley or Chubb and Rosen may fall past 6. I got killed for saying that last week but I also believe it to b true


I agree completely. I don't think they touch Rosen. If its a QB it will be Darnold.
Rosen's  
AcidTest : 4/16/2018 9:39 am : link
injury history, his not being a threat to run, and his "comments" are why I don't think the Giants will pick him. But I certainly wouldn't be stunned if they do.
I've read or heard many scouts say  
aimrocky : 4/16/2018 9:57 am : link
Rosen's tape blow every other QB out of the water. I'm thinking, and hoping, the silence around Rosen means that teams behind us hope he drops and the Giants are hoping nobody jumps them for him.
RE: Nobody knows  
twostepgiants : 4/16/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 13915583 TMS said:
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what the giants are planning to do, which is a good thing. His skill set is comparable to all the other QBs out there so I am sure he is under consideration.


Lets hope so

But. Eveyone has the Giants at "no QB" right now and basically Barkley or Chubb.

If thats true, everyone knows.

Lets hope its not.
There's a good chance Rosen is there at #5  
JonC : 4/16/2018 10:01 am : link
which I suspect is why the Broncos have been still.
RE: There's a good chance Rosen is there at #5  
ryanmkeane : 4/16/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13915664 JonC said:
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which I suspect is why the Broncos have been still.

Meaning Jets prefer Mayfield to Rosen?
I think so  
JonC : 4/16/2018 10:07 am : link
.
Mayfield to NYJ  
Sy'56 : 4/16/2018 10:10 am : link
is my guess as well
Rosen  
Hilary : 4/16/2018 10:16 am : link
1.Every scouting report that I read seems to say that he is an accurate passer
2.Having a QB who can hit Beckham in stride= ability to score from any point on the field.
3.He may have injury issues but is still more likely to last until age 30 than Barkley
4.Personality issues certainly over played. He will be smart enough to keep his mouth shut and collect his salary and endorsements.

He will play in New York (NJ really). I hope with the Giants not the Jets
I think Rosen falls a bit and is the fourth....  
MOOPS : 4/16/2018 10:48 am : link
of the big four to get drafted.
The reason is his static address. It makes him easy to find for the Edge Rushers. I think teams are seeing that at this point in time a somewhat mobile QB, and I'm not talking about a run first or single read guy, is adventageous. His lack of mobility is what will hurt Rosen's draft position, IMO.
Rosen is Eli 2.0  
jeff57 : 4/16/2018 11:15 am : link
I hope they take him.
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If The Giants Stay Put At 2nd Overall  
Trainmaster : 4/16/2018 11:28 am : link
Rosen is my “throw the remote” pick since all but one of Barkley, Darnold, Nelson, Allen or Chubb will still be available.

I want absolutely no part of Rosen in any size, shape or form.

What about if Rosen  
NikkiMac : 4/16/2018 11:53 am : link
Goes to Cleveland, nobody has him going there , it’s all Dorsey doesn’t like him that would be interesting
RE: If The Giants Stay Put At 2nd Overall  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/16/2018 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13915833 Trainmaster said:
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Rosen is my “throw the remote” pick since all but one of Barkley, Darnold, Nelson, Allen or Chubb will still be available.

I want absolutely no part of Rosen in any size, shape or form.


He has a 99 Douchiness rating in Madden. Pass.
Rosen will get hammered in the NFL  
TMS : 4/16/2018 12:32 pm : link
Then he will be injured, more often than not, and we will be looking for another QB before his second contract. IMO
Rosen=  
Carl in CT : 4/16/2018 12:36 pm : link
Jeff George.
Reading the tea leaves  
Colin@gbn : 4/16/2018 12:41 pm : link
Big Rick: Really interesting question. Certainly, its been a puzzler for me why the Giants, who have devoted more time and resources checking out the QBs than any other team in the league, are now leaking out "QB, we don't want no stinking QB!"

Hear's what we are hearing bubbling just beneath the surface. Always with the proviso that at this time of the year you just can't trust 100% what you hear however we are sort of confident in that we are hearing similar things from several different directions.

First it appears as if Rosen may have taken off a little of late. He has the best pure arm talent since Luck; he has blown away people in interviews with his football acumen; and for the most part the questions about his passion for the game and commitment have been put to rest. He's still not quite in the same class as Luck as he lacks the toughness and mobility, but he's probably as close as anyone has been since.

That puts the Browns in a bit of a pickle because Rosen has for all intents and purposes told them he doesn't want to play in Cleveland and they don't want an Elway-Eli situation. So in a perfect world they'd like to trade out of #1 to someone that wants Rosen but still leave themselves in position to grab Darnold and there just aren't many places you can do that. Meanwhile, the Giants are kind of in the catbird seat when it comes to Rosen - if that is indeed where they want to go and the fact that Mara went all the way to west coast to have dinner with the kid is about as telling a tell as you are going to get in the draft business short of a team announcing outright before the draft who they are taking - but are worried about the off-chance that the Browns deal with someone else like the Jets. Not likely to happen but they may have to hold their breath for a bit on the 26th.

PS I am with Eric on this. We are really aren't going to find out anything substantially new between now and the 26th such that we are going to be treated to a 10-days speculation (which is what I guess we are doing here but at least we have some evidence to back it up.)
RE: Rosen=  
jeff57 : 4/16/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13915954 Carl in CT said:
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Jeff George.


Nope. Eli 2.0.
RE: Reading the tea leaves  
Milton : 4/16/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13915961 Colin@gbn said:
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the fact that Mara went all the way to west coast to have dinner with the kid is about as telling a tell as you are going to get in the draft business short of a team announcing outright before the draft who they are taking - but are worried about the off-chance that the Browns deal with someone else like the Jets.
Was it ever confirmed that John Mara attended the dinner? I know there was some conflicting reports at the time on whether it was John or Chris Mara who was there.
RE: Rosen=  
arcarsenal : 4/16/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13915954 Carl in CT said:
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Jeff George.


Nope.

If there's a Jeff George in this draft, it's Josh Allen. Not Josh Rosen.
RE: RE: Reading the tea leaves  
Jarvis : 4/16/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13915982 Milton said:
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the fact that Mara went all the way to west coast to have dinner with the kid is about as telling a tell as you are going to get in the draft business short of a team announcing outright before the draft who they are taking - but are worried about the off-chance that the Browns deal with someone else like the Jets.

Was it ever confirmed that John Mara attended the dinner? I know there was some conflicting reports at the time on whether it was John or Chris Mara who was there.


Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
John Mara said not to read anything into the dinner he and Steve Tisch had with UCLA QB Josh Rosen. He said he'll be having dinner with a lot of the top guys in the draft.


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Milton : 4/16/2018 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13915985 Jarvis said:
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
John Mara said not to read anything into the dinner he and Steve Tisch had with UCLA QB Josh Rosen. He said he'll be having dinner with a lot of the top guys in the draft.
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Thanks!
RE: RE: RE: Reading the tea leaves  
Jim in Tampa : 4/16/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13915985 Jarvis said:
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In comment 13915961 Colin@gbn said:


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the fact that Mara went all the way to west coast to have dinner with the kid is about as telling a tell as you are going to get in the draft business short of a team announcing outright before the draft who they are taking - but are worried about the off-chance that the Browns deal with someone else like the Jets.

Was it ever confirmed that John Mara attended the dinner? I know there was some conflicting reports at the time on whether it was John or Chris Mara who was there.



Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
John Mara said not to read anything into the dinner he and Steve Tisch had with UCLA QB Josh Rosen. He said he'll be having dinner with a lot of the top guys in the draft.
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And if the Giants are not seriously considering taking Rosen, then why would Mara go out of his way to insist that the dinner was no big deal?

If they weren't interested in Rosen, wouldn't it be smarter to play up the dinner or simply not address it?
Colin  
jtgiants : 4/16/2018 1:11 pm : link
You and I couldn't disagree more on this. Based on opinion and things heard. Here's my honest question. Will you be stunned if they go Barkley/ Chubb. I admit I'd be floored if we went qb at all. P do think it's possible they take darnold. Just curious. Thx
Colin  
jtgiants : 4/16/2018 1:15 pm : link
For the record. I think Rosen falls in the draft a notion peter king detailed today as well. We'll see. Fascinating to me how all over the map this info is
RE: RE: RE: RE: Reading the tea leaves  
Milton : 4/16/2018 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13915991 Jim in Tampa said:
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if the Giants are not seriously considering taking Rosen, then why would Mara go out of his way to insist that the dinner was no big deal?

If they weren't interested in Rosen, wouldn't it be smarter to play up the dinner or simply not address it?
That was my first reaction as well, but we weren't there to place it in context. It was likely simply a response to a question, not necessarily Mara "going out of his way" to downplay it.
Whoever offers to pick up the check  
jeff57 : 4/16/2018 1:31 pm : link
Will be the one the Giants take.
100% fair QB competition  
Thegratefulhead : 4/16/2018 1:33 pm : link
A rookie will not get this BUT, If we draft Rosen AND he were to get an equal amount of snaps and play time BECAUSE it will be a 100% new system for both QBs, I think Rosen could beat out Eli and start. Now, I don't think it is possible because no QB will get a fair shot to beat Eli because of his history with the team and I find this to be justifiable.
Thanks Colin  
twostepgiants : 4/16/2018 1:41 pm : link
I think you are dead on. Ive had this exact train of thought on Rosen from day 1.

I believe Rosen is the best QB prospect since Luck, he wants the Giants and the Giants are sitting around hoping no else realizes it and are thankful they are once again holding the "Eli card" (top guy lets it be known he doesnt want to play for 1 pick team)

Giants are in tough spot with 2 Clev picks and Jets at 3. Thats why all the cloak & dagger

Your posts give me hope in light of the media onslaught.

Thank you!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Reading the tea leaves  
twostepgiants : 4/16/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13916000 Milton said:
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if the Giants are not seriously considering taking Rosen, then why would Mara go out of his way to insist that the dinner was no big deal?

If they weren't interested in Rosen, wouldn't it be smarter to play up the dinner or simply not address it?

That was my first reaction as well, but we weren't there to place it in context. It was likely simply a response to a question, not necessarily Mara "going out of his way" to downplay it.


The Giants have made mo attempt to counter the Rosen narrative. The dominant story one day was "Giants domt like Rosen". It is media gospel right now that they are not taking Rosen

That alone is suspicious.

If it was try, why not counter it? To mask your true intentions?
This could go down as one of the biggest smokescreens ever.  
Keith : 4/16/2018 1:53 pm : link
Rosen just seems like a Giants guy. I always thought he'd be the one if he checked out in interviews(we have no idea if he did or didn't).

Could the GIants be playing mind games or am I just reading way too much into it? THey express their love for Barkley to get Cle to take him at 1 instead of 4. Or to raise the cost in a trade.

I can def see Rosen as our guy.
RE: RE: Rosen=  
Greg from LI : 4/16/2018 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13915984 arcarsenal said:
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If there's a Jeff George in this draft, it's Josh Allen. Not Josh Rosen.


I can see a comparison to Jay Cutler, though.
RE: RE: RE: Reading the tea leaves  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/16/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13915985 Jarvis said:
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In comment 13915961 Colin@gbn said:


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the fact that Mara went all the way to west coast to have dinner with the kid is about as telling a tell as you are going to get in the draft business short of a team announcing outright before the draft who they are taking - but are worried about the off-chance that the Browns deal with someone else like the Jets.

Was it ever confirmed that John Mara attended the dinner? I know there was some conflicting reports at the time on whether it was John or Chris Mara who was there.



Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
John Mara said not to read anything into the dinner he and Steve Tisch had with UCLA QB Josh Rosen. He said he'll be having dinner with a lot of the top guys in the draft.
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LOL What else would he say? By all means, read into the fact I went to dinner with him?
If the health clears  
KWALL2 : 4/16/2018 2:06 pm : link
And he’s available, Rosen is the pick for NYG.
Kwall  
jtgiants : 4/16/2018 2:10 pm : link
I think your wrong. I'd be stunned but well see
Quess who came to dinner  
Colin@gbn : 4/16/2018 2:17 pm : link
Regarding Mara and the dinner; there was some back and forth whether it was John or Chris there, but it has now been confirmed that they were both there. It is also somewhat interesting to note about the dinner that the Giants entourage actually had dinner with both Rosen and Darnold on back-to-back nights but neither Mara nor Tisch went to the Darnold dinner. Mara may also go to dinner with some of the other top prospects who come to NY but Rosen's was the only one he travelled 6,000 miles round-trip to attend. As I said in another thread that dinner has all the look and feel of something that a business would do. DG tells Mara that they have settled on a player they hope will be the face of the franchise for the next 10-15 years and that he and Tisch should sit down with the kid and make sure they are comfortable with him in that role.

And yes JT there is so much out there right now it is hard to tell fact from smokescreen. However, I would be absolutely shocked if the Giants take Barkley at #2. (I would just sort of be shocked if they took Chubb who at least can rush the other guys passer!)The absolute value of that pick is the QBs and you either take one or hold up another team in a trade. Even Buffalo at 12 and 22. Would you trade Barkley for Marcus Davenport, Mike McGlinchey and Isaaih Oliver (in 2) plus an extra #1 in 2109.

here's why you don't trade and take the QB. You are very likely going to be in a situation within the next couple of years here you have to give all those extra picks back plus maybe more to move back up to get your QB. Time will tell though.

There has been a huge lobby here  
TMS : 4/16/2018 2:22 pm : link
for the giants to take Rosen since the beginning. It is still alive and well just changes its approach. We will see on draft day if it worked. No problem with his skills etc just worry about his game to game availability because of injury.
I'm with you 100% Colin  
Big Rick in FL : 4/16/2018 2:24 pm : link
It just seems like they are going to far out of their way to tell the media they don't like Rosen.

I don't know many owners who go and meet with draft prospects. I know Howie Rosman went to meet Wentz prior to his Pro Day and the Browns owner went to meet Allen & Darnold. Which we know they are drafting 1 of them. To me it's a huge deal and the media never really picked up on it.
RE: Quess who came to dinner  
Thegratefulhead : 4/16/2018 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13916118 Colin@gbn said:
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Regarding Mara and the dinner; there was some back and forth whether it was John or Chris there, but it has now been confirmed that they were both there. It is also somewhat interesting to note about the dinner that the Giants entourage actually had dinner with both Rosen and Darnold on back-to-back nights but neither Mara nor Tisch went to the Darnold dinner. Mara may also go to dinner with some of the other top prospects who come to NY but Rosen's was the only one he travelled 6,000 miles round-trip to attend. As I said in another thread that dinner has all the look and feel of something that a business would do. DG tells Mara that they have settled on a player they hope will be the face of the franchise for the next 10-15 years and that he and Tisch should sit down with the kid and make sure they are comfortable with him in that role.

And yes JT there is so much out there right now it is hard to tell fact from smokescreen. However, I would be absolutely shocked if the Giants take Barkley at #2. (I would just sort of be shocked if they took Chubb who at least can rush the other guys passer!)The absolute value of that pick is the QBs and you either take one or hold up another team in a trade. Even Buffalo at 12 and 22. Would you trade Barkley for Marcus Davenport, Mike McGlinchey and Isaaih Oliver (in 2) plus an extra #1 in 2109.

here's why you don't trade and take the QB. You are very likely going to be in a situation within the next couple of years here you have to give all those extra picks back plus maybe more to move back up to get your QB. Time will tell though.
I love and appreciate the consistent quality of your contributions on this site. I completely agree with you as well. Extremely solid reasoning.
Hitdog  
Big Rick in FL : 4/16/2018 2:25 pm : link
Where is Hitdog when we need him? Might have to send out the bat signal soon.
I better be sayin  
UESBLUE : 4/16/2018 2:26 pm : link
Shalom to my new bubbalah Rosen on Apr 26
RE: RE: RE: Rosen=  
Jay on the Island : 4/16/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13916081 Greg from LI said:
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If there's a Jeff George in this draft, it's Josh Allen. Not Josh Rosen.



I can see a comparison to Jay Cutler, though.

The difference is that Cutler doesn't care enough to be a great franchise QB. The talent is there but the work ethic and desire just aren't.
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