Under Monday reading Smith made the point that whether Giants go quarterback at #2 will depend in large part upon Gettleman s assessment as to how much mileage Eli has left.
If true that surprises me. Coming off a 3-13 season it is unlikely Giants will be a Super Bowl contender next season. In effect Gettlemen would be banking on contending with a quarterback the two seasons following with a quarterback that will turn 39 and 40 during those seasons.
I have been a big Eli fan, but that seems like big risk if they believe a guy like Darnold can be the next guy.
I ve just believed all along if Giants pass on quarterback it would be because they don't believe he represents the value at #2, not because of how much mileage Eli has left.
2) Eli is an iron man and doesn't miss games unless coach really needs to see Geno. But Eli's performance has been up and down past couple years. Would an improved O-Line and Barkley help? Probably.
For me, Eli is old and getting older and just because Brady continues to be Brady doesn't mean that is the norm. It's not. You're sitting at #2. Likely wont be there again for a long long time. Just hope that DG feels either Webb or one of these QBs is a HOf type player. ;)
The only way you will see Eli play at 39 and 40 for the Giants is if they add an additional 2 years to his current contract, which has two years left.
I think Davis Webb has nothing to do with the decision. If you think one of these QBs can be a special player and you dont take them because of Davis Webb, you do not deserve to be anywhere near an NFL front office.
2) Eli is an iron man and doesn't miss games unless coach really needs to see Geno. But Eli's performance has been up and down past couple years. Would an improved O-Line and Barkley help? Probably.
For me, Eli is old and getting older and just because Brady continues to be Brady doesn't mean that is the norm. It's not. You're sitting at #2. Likely wont be there again for a long long time. Just hope that DG feels either Webb or one of these QBs is a HOf type player. ;)
But, the Favre Rodgers scenario was different. GB got Rodgers way down in RD 1 where he was too hard to pass up. We are talking #2 and to be honest the only QB I really think is a winner in the making is Mayfield. Darnold could be a turnover machine and Rosen just seems like a guy who will tease but never deliver. Allen is the wild card who needs to sit a year or two.
I'm more inclined to believe the latter -that they have at least one QB they really want. They've learned from mistakes in prior drafts and aren't going to blow this one on account of loose lips.
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like Davis Webb. He is the determining factor in my opinion. If they believe Webb can replace Eli in a year or two, then they are better off served drafting Barkley and having a ridiculous offense going forward. Then Barkley takes the pressure off Webb when he takes the reins from Eli. That would be golden IF it played out that way.
I think Davis Webb has nothing to do with the decision. If you think one of these QBs can be a special player and you dont take them because of Davis Webb, you do not deserve to be anywhere near an NFL front office.
^^this
In an ideal scenario, Eli and the Giants have a good year. But Eli sees the writing on the wall for 2020 and doesn't want to wait to see what happens in 2019 and so asks to be traded to a team that will give him an extension (the Alex Smith trade to the Redskins serves at the blue print). One possible destination could be Jacksonville if Bortles plays poorly in 2018 (the Jags would absorb a sizable cap hit, but in real money it would mean exchanging the $16M that Bortles is due in 2019 for the $17M that Eli is due).
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like Davis Webb. He is the determining factor in my opinion. If they believe Webb can replace Eli in a year or two, then they are better off served drafting Barkley and having a ridiculous offense going forward. Then Barkley takes the pressure off Webb when he takes the reins from Eli. That would be golden IF it played out that way.
I think Davis Webb has nothing to do with the decision. If you think one of these QBs can be a special player and you dont take them because of Davis Webb, you do not deserve to be anywhere near an NFL front office.
+1. Absolutely correct. Webb has no influence on what the Giants do at #2. The Giants know next to nothing about Webb, certainly not whether he can succeed Eli. My own view is that no QB, except maybe Darnold, is worth the #2 pick. But I understand why others think otherwise, and do expect the Giants to pick Darnold if the Browns don't.
That s a fact. And if we re talking passing on quarterback because Eli has years left, I m assuming that means a new contract
+1 on Eli has the job the rest of his contract, barring a total loss of skills, or a resurgence due to a better OL which may buy him an extension.
In an ideal scenario, Eli and the Giants have a good year. But Eli sees the writing on the wall for 2020 and doesn't
want to wait to see what happens in 2019 and so asks to be traded to a team that will give him an extension (the Alex Smith trade to the Redskins serves at the blue print). One possible destination could be Jacksonville if Bortles plays poorly in 2018 (the Jags would absorb a sizable cap hit, but in real money it would mean exchanging the $16M that Bortles is due in 2019 for the $17M that Eli is due).
Good coaching can make a player good enough to win playoff games, and bad coaching can arguably undermine a player. But to think that any of the 3-5 primo QB's this year are going to be HOF is a stretch, either via ability or coaching. It's possible, but it's wishful thinking.
The only way you will see Eli play at 39 and 40 for the Giants is if they add an additional 2 years to his current contract, which has two years left.
Exactly!! It is truly bizarre. He will be playing in his 37th and 38th year under his current contract. And if Eli leads the team to a super bowl in either of the next two years, he will then be given a Drew Brees like contract for his 39th and 40th years... These facts do not change because people wish them so.
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Eli will turn 38 during next season. If he played two years after that he would be 39/40
That s a fact. And if we re talking passing on quarterback because Eli has years left, I m assuming that means a new contract
Eli is 37. He'll play almost the entire year as a 37 year old as he doesn't turn 38 until January.
The next two years, he'd play as a 38 year old and a 39 year old for nearly the entire season, if he continues to play.
I've heard that he's going to be 40, 41 and even 42.
I'm with Britt - it is strange how people keep acting like he's a teenager looking to buy alcohol and keep inflating his age.
Good coaching can make a player good enough to win playoff games
Shurmur is the possible huge factor here, possibly with Webb, assuming they’re meh on the projected top QBs
But you are correct. He will play most of next season at the age of 37.
Yes indeed. He will be exactly 38 and one month when he is under center in Super Bowl LIII.
The only way you will see Eli play at 39 and 40 for the Giants is if they add an additional 2 years to his current contract, which has two years left.
Because it fits their narrative. Period. If the Giants pick a QB at two it has nada to do w Eli. Eli and the Giants both know that Eli will be done very soon. Webb has more to do w this draft than Eli does. And even that is not a whole lot -for reasons talked about endlessly here.
This would be his last season for the Giants.
The only way you will see Eli play at 39 and 40 for the Giants is if they add an additional 2 years to his current contract, which has two years left.
Don't I know it, I'm really bummed out because I'm about to turn 50 (I'm 42 currently).
They realize he will turn 38 BEFORE the end of the regular season. You can state it either way with IMHO and be mostly correct. Neither bothers me and does not require nitpicking.
No, he will not. The season ends Dec 30th, Eli doesn't turn 38 until Jan 3rd. I don't know why everyone is so obsessed with the difference between him being 37 years and 361 days v. 38 years, but here we are.
Spot on.
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he plays in February as a 38 year old:)
Yes indeed. He will be exactly 38 and one month when he is under center in Super Bowl LIII.
Can his geriatric ass handle another cold ride down in a parade in February? It's so drafty!
At 35, Eli starting aging in dog years. He'll be almost 50 when this season starts. At the end of his current contract, he will be well into his 60s. That's just fact.
Still the point being the same. That s pretty is to be playing at a high level in the NFL unless your name is Tom Brady.
Still the point being the same. That s pretty is to be playing at a high level in the NFL unless your name is Tom Brady.
4 of the top 5 passing yardage QB's last year were 36 or older. 37 isn't the death sentence it was even 10 years ago.
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A 37,38,39 year old quarterback.
Still the point being the same. That s pretty is to be playing at a high level in the NFL unless your name is Tom Brady.
4 of the top 5 passing yardage QB's last year were 36 or older. 37 isn't the death sentence it was even 10 years ago.
Exactly. If people don't like Eli, I get it and respectfully, though vehemently, disagree. But can we please stop throwing around his age as the reason his performance has suffered the past six years. It has been a combination of dreadful scheme, poor offensive personnel and abysmal coaching. There has been no massive falloff due to his age - he is the same Eli he has always been. With a good coach and smart scheme, a talented group of "go to" weapons and a reasonably acceptable offensive line, he will have a pro bowl year in 2018...
I'm guessing that you're still a young guy if you think that there's no fall off in ability, of everyone, between the ages of 27 and 37.
If Gettleman passes on a QB picking 2nd and a couple of those quarterbacks become stars, it will follow him around for the rest of his career, especially if the Giants take years to find their next quarterback.
Taking a QB is the safest move he can make.
For everyone going around saying that Barkley and Chubb are the best two players in the draft, after the next two seasons have been played how likely is that they everyone will still be saying this?
A couple of influential guys like Kiper and Brandt come out saying that Barkley is the best player available and the others just jump onto the back of the truck. It's easier to go with the crowd that to name the players you really think are the best and risk looking very foolish if you're wrong.
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A 37,38,39 year old quarterback.
Still the point being the same. That s pretty is to be playing at a high level in the NFL unless your name is Tom Brady.
4 of the top 5 passing yardage QB's last year were 36 or older. 37 isn't the death sentence it was even 10 years ago.
Exactly. If people don't like Eli, I get it and respectfully, though vehemently, disagree. But can we please stop throwing around his age as the reason his performance has suffered the past six years. It has been a combination of dreadful scheme, poor offensive personnel and abysmal coaching. There has been no massive falloff due to his age - he is the same Eli he has always been. With a good coach and smart scheme, a talented group of "go to" weapons and a reasonably acceptable offensive line, he will have a pro bowl year in 2018...
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Eli turns 38 on January 3rd.
This is a perfect example of the stupid nitpicking done here. Last year, he turned 37 before the regular season ended, this year he will turn 38 before a playoff game is played. Days, quibbling over days. /Sigh
Last year the regular season ended on January 1st, Eli turned 37 two days later, on the third.