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jtgiants : 4/16/2018 1:21 pm
Without using specifics. You have heard and read from many posters. Based on what you know today. Who or what do you think the giants do with the number 2 overall pick?
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I'll tell ya what...  
Dnew15 : 4/16/2018 2:16 pm : link
someday when Gettleman retires - reading about how he changed the scout/front office culture from blabber mouth NY media whores to tight lipped church mice is going to be interesting.
I think there's plan and/or several plans - but no one has said anything to anyone.
It's the complete opposite of the Reece era when they telegraphed everything.
RE: Eric,  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2018 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13916113 AnishPatel said:
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If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.


I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.
RE: RE: Eric,  
dep026 : 4/16/2018 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13916143 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13916113 AnishPatel said:


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If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.



I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.


WORST CASE SCENARIO.

Take Darnold or Barkley. And move on. Dont get cute.
RE: RE: Eric,  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/16/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13916143 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13916113 AnishPatel said:


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If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.



I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.



It will be a meltdown any way you look at it, QB, Barkley, Chubb. :D
RE: I'll tell ya what...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2018 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13916117 Dnew15 said:
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someday when Gettleman retires - reading about how he changed the scout/front office culture from blabber mouth NY media whores to tight lipped church mice is going to be interesting.
I think there's plan and/or several plans - but no one has said anything to anyone.
It's the complete opposite of the Reece era when they telegraphed everything.



I can't agree with this. The prevailing opinion is that the Giants will draft Barkley or Chubb. If they do, then the leaks are just as bad as always.

On the other hand, if the go QB, that's a good sign in terms of leak control.
dep  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2018 2:47 pm : link
You're making an assumption that the Giants like Darnold more than Chubb.
Seems like business as usual in Maraland  
arniefez : 4/16/2018 2:48 pm : link
leaking on a sinking ship. But we won't know for sure until they make their pick.
RE: Eric has been pretty consistent  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13916009 Jay on the Island said:
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From his posts Eric it appears that Eric believes Barkley will be the pick.


I don't think I've commented before on who I think the pick will be. But as I posted above, my gut says Barkley or Chubb.

I'm on record as saying it would be VERY difficult to pass on one of the QBs if the Giants have them graded highly. If they think one of these guys is a true Franchise QB and they pass on him, I think they'll regret it years from now.

But if they don't have a high grade on any of them, then taking another player makes more sense. (Though ideally it would be great if they could trade down and do that).
RE: dep  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/16/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13916167 Eric from BBI said:
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You're making an assumption that the Giants like Darnold more than Chubb.


I find it difficult to imagine that they didn't start this process hoping to find a blue chip QB.

If they don't take a QB, then they simply didn't see a franchise QB on the board.

It's certainly possible that Barkley and Chubb are 1,2. I had anticipated they would like Darnold and/or Rosen.
RE: RE: Eric,  
pa_giant_fan : 4/16/2018 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13916143 Eric from BBI said:
[quote] In comment 13916113 AnishPatel said:


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If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.



I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode. [/quo

I want Barkley but would not be disappointed with Chubb, I'm just not in the QB crowd, so you can bet it will be a QB.
RE: dep  
dep026 : 4/16/2018 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13916167 Eric from BBI said:
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You're making an assumption that the Giants like Darnold more than Chubb.


THAts my order...haha

While Chubb has potential. I think the other 2 are special.
RE: RE: I'll tell ya what...  
QB Snacks : 4/16/2018 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13916153 Eric from BBI said:
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someday when Gettleman retires - reading about how he changed the scout/front office culture from blabber mouth NY media whores to tight lipped church mice is going to be interesting.
I think there's plan and/or several plans - but no one has said anything to anyone.
It's the complete opposite of the Reece era when they telegraphed everything.




I can't agree with this. The prevailing opinion is that the Giants will draft Barkley or Chubb. If they do, then the leaks are just as bad as always.

On the other hand, if the go QB, that's a good sign in terms of leak control.


These arent leaks. They have the 2nd pick and there are only a handful of possible options.

RE: RE: Eric,  
AnishPatel : 4/16/2018 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13916143 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13916113 AnishPatel said:


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If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.



I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.


Yeah, well I am not a fan of it, but I am starting to think based on stuff being posted that could be a realistic thing. Browns go Barkley, and we don't like any QBs, so we go Chubb. And then it will be Qb scramble that could mean other teams may trade up considering at Pick# 3 on the clock no QBs are off the board.

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allstarjim : 4/16/2018 3:34 pm : link
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GiantsLaw : 4/16/2018 4:02 pm : link
RE: .  
GiantsLaw : 4/16/2018 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13916284 GiantsLaw said:
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what kind of name is that for a clown!
The good news is  
Jay on the Island : 4/16/2018 4:17 pm : link
that DG clearly is better at limiting leaks than Reese was.
I think that  
Dnew15 : 4/16/2018 4:18 pm : link
everyone is making assumptions and I think that the media around the league is guessing - I think in years past it was much more obvious around the league who the Giants were targeting...
RE: jtgiants  
Milton : 4/16/2018 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13916109 Eric from BBI said:
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and further, if they draft Rosen, they've done a masterful job of misdirection.
They've done everything but take out a full page ad voicing their disgust.
When they asked John Mara why he flew across the country...  
Milton : 4/16/2018 4:28 pm : link
...to have dinner with Rosen, he said, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."
RE: RE: Eric has been pretty consistent  
twostepgiants : 4/16/2018 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13916173 Eric from BBI said:
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From his posts Eric it appears that Eric believes Barkley will be the pick.



I don't think I've commented before on who I think the pick will be. But as I posted above, my gut says Barkley or Chubb.

I'm on record as saying it would be VERY difficult to pass on one of the QBs if the Giants have them graded highly. If they think one of these guys is a true Franchise QB and they pass on him, I think they'll regret it years from now.

But if they don't have a high grade on any of them, then taking another player makes more sense. (Though ideally it would be great if they could trade down and do that).


Eric- if we follow Colin's logic. Which he posted that if so many in league like Jets, Bills, Broncos have such high grades on these 4 that they are willing to not just take them but to trade a high premium for them; plus we know the Dolphins & Cards want to - and so many feel they are worthy of 1-5 picks.

Even the Colts must have thought enough that its worth the risk of a trade down instead of guaranteeing a Barkley, Nelson, Chubb.

Then- is it really likely that the Giants are the 1 team that doesnt have a high grade on them?
twostepgiants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2018 5:48 pm : link
Likely? No. But very possible.
I really hope the Browns surprise everyone  
Jay on the Island : 4/16/2018 5:54 pm : link
and take Allen or Barkley 1st overall. I am very high on both Darnold and Rosen but I don't think the Giants will take Rosen at 2. I think JonC is right that it will be either Darnold or Barkley. If the Browns do pass on Darnold it would be pretty upsetting if the Giants also passed on Darnold for Barkley or Chubb.
I don't want anyone who likes Darnold to take offense to this  
montanagiant : 4/16/2018 5:57 pm : link
But I just don't see it. I mean I really don't get the love for him at all. I'm far from being an expert but I feel virtually every other of the top 5 QBs is a better choice. I actually think Mayfield is the one who will succeed the best with Rosen and Allen close behind. I don't know if its the current history of USC QB's or what but I don't get the love for the guy
RE: RE: Eric,  
DavidinBMNY : 4/16/2018 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13916143 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13916113 AnishPatel said:


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If Browns go Barkley, do you think Chubb will be the guy or a QB? I have a feeling Browns go Barkley, and Chubb will get drafted by us. Curious if you feel we may go Chubb over a QB.



I could see that. I will say this, if that happens, BBI will be in meltdown mode.


Eric - What is your preference? To me it's simple - Barkley or Darnold if only 1 of them are there and if both Darnold. Or a trade down.
RE: I don't want anyone who likes Darnold to take offense to this  
DavidinBMNY : 4/16/2018 6:39 pm : link
In comment 13916437 montanagiant said:
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But I just don't see it. I mean I really don't get the love for him at all. I'm far from being an expert but I feel virtually every other of the top 5 QBs is a better choice. I actually think Mayfield is the one who will succeed the best with Rosen and Allen close behind. I don't know if its the current history of USC QB's or what but I don't get the love for the guy


There's a couple of things that stand out re: Darnold
1) His anticipation / ability to deliver the ball to the right spot
2) His durability
3) The combination of accurary / arm talent / mobility vs. any one trait is probably the best grouping while not best at any of of those areas
4) He's a year younger then these other guys and should have more room to grow
5) He wins big games

The negative on him is turnovers. And supposedly at least the fumbles is pretty correctable. With the other guys
1) Allen has never been accurate - that changing now is a long shot
2) Rosen's durability is a concern
3) Mayfield is a little under sized, comes from an offense tailor made for his game that hasn't had a ton of pro success with QBs, but he'd be right up there for me with Darnold. I'd love having him, I just think there's more upside with Darnold. I think he's a winner - I like Baker a lot. I don't know if the Giants will but I do.
Then ignore your scouts  
twostepgiants : 4/16/2018 7:19 pm : link
Then you ignore your scouts

Im sorry but scouts are not sacrosanct. If the vast majority of the league thinks these guys are worthy, then they are worthy. Our scouts dont like any of them?

We arent married to these scouts. They werent hired by Gettleman. Most of them are likely to be gone after the Draft anyway.

The question has never been whether or not our Scouts approve of going QB. That decision is snove their pay grade.

The question is whether or not the Giants need a QB.

If the answer to that question is yes, you take the best available one.

This is perhaps why Ernie Accorsi said this about the most important trait of of a GM-

"You have to be an evaluator of talent," Accorsi said on Giants.com's "Big Blue Kickoff Live" shortly after Gettleman's introductory news conference on Friday. "If you're not an evaluator of talent, even if you are a leader, even if you're a good delegator, even if you're a good manager, you've got to be - this is an extreme statement -- but you have to be the smartest personnel guy in the room. Because if you're not, the scouts won't respect you and the coaches won't respect you.

"And sooner or later, your success or failure is going to be determined in your team-building and your ability to pick players, pick them at the right positons when you get the opportunity and build a championship team. So that's number one and when it comes to Dave Gettleman, to me that is his number one characteristic."

The entire premise of this question has been around the highest graded player. The allows the Scouts to rule. It predisposes BPA as the rule.

QB trumps BPA

This is about team building. Accorsis quote. There is no team without a QB. This team will need a QB at minimum in 2 seasons. At worst, immediately. This draft has 4 QBs likely to be graded as high or higher than the last 4 years of QB (check Sys grades. Only 6 QBs in 4 years and the highest was Goff at 86) and the Giants have the chance to select at worst the 2nd best of them. This is a rare, rare opportunity. Teams rarely get to select from even 2 worthy QBs when they need 1.

The question is- do we need a QB?

If so we have to take one this year. If our scouts cant find one of these 4 QBs that the rest of the league seems to think worthy- you ignore them.

Dave Gettleman himself was a highly regarded scout. Shurmur is a QB guy. We do not need the Scouts to pick. The 4 guys are widely known. We dont need scouts to even identify whom to choose among. Gettleman knows scouting and the qualities he looks for. Shurmur knows his system and the qualities he looks for.

Scouts are not needed to tell them who to draft. Ignore them at the 2 pick.

Unless you are telling me the Giants dont need a QB.

And thats a different discussion.
RE: RE: I don't want anyone who likes Darnold to take offense to this  
montanagiant : 4/16/2018 7:45 pm : link
In comment 13916476 DavidinBMNY said:
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In comment 13916437 montanagiant said:


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But I just don't see it. I mean I really don't get the love for him at all. I'm far from being an expert but I feel virtually every other of the top 5 QBs is a better choice. I actually think Mayfield is the one who will succeed the best with Rosen and Allen close behind. I don't know if its the current history of USC QB's or what but I don't get the love for the guy



There's a couple of things that stand out re: Darnold
1) His anticipation / ability to deliver the ball to the right spot
2) His durability
3) The combination of accurary / arm talent / mobility vs. any one trait is probably the best grouping while not best at any of of those areas
4) He's a year younger then these other guys and should have more room to grow
5) He wins big games

The negative on him is turnovers. And supposedly at least the fumbles is pretty correctable. With the other guys
1) Allen has never been accurate - that changing now is a long shot
2) Rosen's durability is a concern
3) Mayfield is a little under sized, comes from an offense tailor made for his game that hasn't had a ton of pro success with QBs, but he'd be right up there for me with Darnold. I'd love having him, I just think there's more upside with Darnold. I think he's a winner - I like Baker a lot. I don't know if the Giants will but I do.

I have heard the Pros and Cons I just don't see it myself when I watched him. I do like that he is younger then the rest but I think Mayfield is the one to get
I think the Giants consider Webb a bird in the hand,  
CT Charlie : 4/16/2018 7:57 pm : link
and this year's crop is a flock of birds in the bush. They're confident that one of the Big 4 (Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield) will be a quarterback-for-a-decade, but they don't know which guy. So: Barkley or Chubb.
twostepgiants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2018 7:57 pm : link
You are getting all bent out of shape over this. The teams drafting near the top of the draft are not adept at personnel evaluation. So if they have the guys YOU THINK they have rated highly, that's not a glowing endorsement.

That all said, we have no idea what they think.

My guess is your views are being influenced by draft guides/draftniks, TV and media pundits, and fan chatter.

There are many, many QBs taken in the first round who are absolute duds. None of these guys are sure bets and probably at least a couple of the first-round QB's this year will flame out.
twostepgiants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2018 7:58 pm : link
Plus, when you make posts like "ignore your scouts," you just sound downright silly.
DavidinBMNY  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2018 8:00 pm : link
If the Giants think there is a franchise QB there, they should take that guy. But I don't think they are going to do that.

Personally, I'm not really sure why so many people have Darnold ahead of the pack. Very interesting prospect, but clearly the best?
Eric  
DavidinBMNY : 4/16/2018 8:12 pm : link
Good point.

The way I look at it, is the roster has a lot of problems, based on bad drafting and bad luck with injuries and they just need a strong dose of good football players.

The last dominant back we had was Tiki. Before that Rodney.

Let's hope that in this draft we can count on more then rd1 and rd2 to contribute.

We have 5 pretty early picks.
I think a lot of this "leak" complaining is manufactured.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 8:26 pm : link
Posters have a tendency to equate speculation and guess articles as having info. It's easy to look at team needs and make whatever draft piece you want fit where the Giants draft.
RE: I think a lot of this  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2018 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13916641 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Posters have a tendency to equate speculation and guess articles as having info. It's easy to look at team needs and make whatever draft piece you want fit where the Giants draft.


I guess it depends on whether or not people like Peter King and Paul Schwartz are lying about their "sources."
RE: RE: I'll tell ya what...  
djm : 4/16/2018 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13916153 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13916117 Dnew15 said:


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someday when Gettleman retires - reading about how he changed the scout/front office culture from blabber mouth NY media whores to tight lipped church mice is going to be interesting.
I think there's plan and/or several plans - but no one has said anything to anyone.
It's the complete opposite of the Reece era when they telegraphed everything.




I can't agree with this. The prevailing opinion is that the Giants will draft Barkley or Chubb. If they do, then the leaks are just as bad as always.

On the other hand, if the go QB, that's a good sign in terms of leak control.


Cmon Eric... just because people are saying (speculating) that the giants will draft Barkley or Chubb doesn’t mean there are leaks! Bark and Chubb are the best best players in this draft... of course they might draft one of them!!!

Stopped watch...
RE: The good news is  
djm : 4/16/2018 8:31 pm : link
In comment 13916306 Jay on the Island said:
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that DG clearly is better at limiting leaks than Reese was.


Myth.
RE: RE: I think a lot of this  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13916642 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13916641 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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Posters have a tendency to equate speculation and guess articles as having info. It's easy to look at team needs and make whatever draft piece you want fit where the Giants draft.



I guess it depends on whether or not people like Peter King and Paul Schwartz are lying about their "sources."


I have no way of checking, but when was the last time Schwartz or King nailed a Giants draft? It's like an annual tradition since the Beason draft where an article is written that links the Giants' need with a player that's projected to be available, that player get drafted before the Giants pick, and we all complain that another team picked that guy because the Giants talk too much.
RE: RE: I think a lot of this  
twostepgiants : 4/16/2018 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13916642 Eric from BBI said:
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Posters have a tendency to equate speculation and guess articles as having info. It's easy to look at team needs and make whatever draft piece you want fit where the Giants draft.



I guess it depends on whether or not people like Peter King and Paul Schwartz are lying about their "sources."


Eric- neither of them are citing Giants sources

Schwartz has cited in his "inside Giants draft" thinking article-

"Based on conversations, observations, machinations and educated guesswork, here are scenarios "

As a comparison- when Schwartz wrote his piece on Giants HC search down to 3 he weote "a source with knowledge of the Giants thinking"


King in his MMQB piece cited - "But those who know Gettleman believe he would not use the second pick in a draft on a flawed player"

Thats pretty vague and also applies an assumption about what Dg perceives these guys as flawed. His article is riddled with "I think" and "i believe"

So they really dont need to be lying. I dont doubt this is what they are hearing from these sources



In his Gettleman teally wants piece - " a national NFL scout"

His new piece - Louis Riddick




RE: twostepgiants  
twostepgiants : 4/16/2018 8:56 pm : link
In comment 13916613 Eric from BBI said:
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Plus, when you make posts like "ignore your scouts," you just sound downright silly.


I am not saying to always ignore your scouts. They are obviously very necessary.

I am saying with this one scenario. The 2 pick. We have a scout at GM and a QB guy at HC. This is a fundamental direction of the franchise pick.
djm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2018 9:46 pm : link
Chubb wasn't on anyone's radar around here. I started hearing about him and then other reporters did too. Most Giants fans assumed he was not even in the picture due to the switch to the 3-4.

There has been a core group of people who have said Barkley or Chubb... that the QBs are not in play.

We'll find out soon.
twostepgiants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2018 9:48 pm : link
I have no vested interest in who the Giants take or don't take.

But you post like your reputation is on the line if the Giants don't draft the way you want them to.
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christian : 4/16/2018 9:56 pm : link
If Chubb is the pick this should be of literally zero surprise. The influence Chris Mara has on this team's drafts is comically understated. And Chris Mara is a defensive pass rusher guy.
RE: twostepgiants  
twostepgiants : 4/16/2018 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13916779 Eric from BBI said:
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I have no vested interest in who the Giants take or don't take.

But you post like your reputation is on the line if the Giants don't draft the way you want them to.


That’s interesting. Ive never considered a reputation or the idea that I had one.

I argue my opinions aggressively but I’d like to think Im always respectful. I try to be anyway.

Ive been very right in the past (I argued really hard for Eli back when that wasnt popular to do and against hiring McAdoo and wanted Marrone) and very wrong (I argued very hard to fire TC and hire Cowher). Im certainly willing to be very wrong but believe I am right.

I think this is the most important Giants offseason of our lifetimes. And thats why its so important to get it right.

There are 2 levels. What I want them to do and what they will do.

I want them to draft Josh Rosen.

What will they do?

I like to stay clear minded. To do that you have to really analyze things and stay big picture. The media narrative right now is that the Giants arent going QB. That has to be considered, But you have to ask- where are they getting their info from?

Best I can tell- they are not getting info from Giants sources. They are not citing those in their pieces. It appears the national media is picking up from the beats and going off that. This would make it far more likely they are wrong ad just speculating. King and Schwartz both cited the same exact Sean Payton quote, Why would he know Giants plans? I mean we had a big national story over what Chris Canty thoughts on what the Giants are doing. What does he know? (I was at Giants Stadium on Draft day in 2004 and asked every player I saw that day - about 12- and every single one said Gallery and definately no QB.)

My speculation is that the Giants have locked down info (and scouts are fearful of their jobs) and no ones talking. This is leaving the beats to talk to outside sources like “a national NFL scout” and going to guys we didnt hire like Riddick. I mean the new Schwartz article is “ex Giants GM option hints he knows 2 pick plans”.As if the Giants tipped off their draft plans back in December in an interview to an ESPN guy. Schwartz cited “an NFL scout who has crossed paths with Gettleman on the road over the years”.

I just am not seeing anything substantial in their reporting. Its all speculation from people outside the Giants.

In contrast when Schwartz posted his article on the Giants down to 3 for HC search (and it ruled out Wills - which had been media consensus at that point) I took notice because of what Schwartz cited.

So I think there is very good reason to doubt the media narrative which I could post but then this would be a novel.
RE: ...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/16/2018 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13916795 christian said:
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The influence Chris Mara has on this team's drafts is comically understated.


I've yet to see someone quantify what his influence is. Maybe I'm missing something, but the reason nobody talks about it is because there's nothing documented about it.
Eric  
twostepgiants : 4/16/2018 10:45 pm : link
That said. This is your site and Im very respectful of that fact. So if you think Im going too far, I will certainly tone it down.
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/16/2018 11:07 pm : link
In comment 13916904 twostepgiants said:
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That said. This is your site and Im very respectful of that fact. So if you think Im going too far, I will certainly tone it down.


I'm not offended. You are very passionate about this.

But I learned a long time ago that casually watching college football, reading the draft books, listening to the pundits, etc. will not make me an expert. There are guys who the Giants drafted who I thought would be great (and were supposed to be great) but ended up duds. And visa versa.

And even after the rookie season, it's no guarantee. I've used this example before. Thomas Randolph and Jason Sehorn ere drafted in the same draft. After one year, Sehorn looked like a bust and Randolph a budding star. That last one year before those roles were reversed.

So I don't get that wound up with it anymore. Who am I to say the Giants should draft Darnold or Rosen or Allen or they are stupid?

So I tend to look at things more strategically (or less specifically). Odds are the Giants won't be drafting in the top two for perhaps another two decades. If so, this is a great chance to nab a "franchise" QB. That's why I've advocated doing so.

But if the Giants don't think any of these QBs are franchise types, then it would be a mistake to draft one.

There is a lot of pressure on the Giants to get this right. Because if they pass on a "great" QB, it will always be rubbed in their faces by friends and foes alike.
I think they take Darnold  
xman : 4/16/2018 11:16 pm : link
Eli starts, team finishes close to last .Drafting a QB accelerates the return to the top. The kid gets one year under his belt playing a few games at years end. Following year we are ready to rock. And by finishing so poorly we can draft more quality assets. Two year turn around.
RE: RE: ...  
mfsd : 4/17/2018 7:44 am : link
In comment 13916895 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The influence Chris Mara has on this team's drafts is comically understated.



I've yet to see someone quantify what his influence is. Maybe I'm missing something, but the reason nobody talks about it is because there's nothing documented about it.


Has anyone with any actual connection to the Giants ever claimed Chris Mara has some kind of influence over the draft beyond what a team executive normally would? Or that he’s somehow secretly responsible for draft fuckups?

He regularly gets held up by some people as the bad guy and the guilty party from a family of meddling owners who don’t know what they’re doing.

I also don’t understand where that rep comes from.

Happy to admit I’m wrong if someone can offer proof to the contrary.
RE: RE: twostepgiants  
Thegratefulhead : 4/17/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13916890 twostepgiants said:
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I think this is the most important Giants offseason of our lifetimes. And thats why its so important to get it right.

There are 2 levels. What I want them to do and what they will do.

I want them to draft Josh Rosen.

What will they do?

Well, I was alive when Simms and Taylor were drafted, not sure this one is more important but I agree with your sentiment. I think they should draft Rosen or Mayfield and fear they will not for image/non football reasons. I think this could affect us for a decade. I think the Jets are guaranteed to get one of Rosen or Mayfield. I don't want to watch either of them in green. However, I can take it as long we draft a perennial All Pro at 2. As long as we don't miss, I'm good.
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