What am I missing? I watched both of these guys in college and while Darnold definitely made more plays with his legs, to me that seemed more by choice than athletic ability. I believe Rosen is better at going through his progression and getting rid of the ball quicker (so less reason to make a play with his legs) but I always thought he was able to move around in the pocket, extend plays, and even scramble once in a while. I'm curious if Darnold was much better at the combine than Rosen or if it's just unsubstantiated opinion/hype.
40-yard dash:
Darnold - 4.85
Rosen - 4.92
Vert (pretty irrelevant for QBs, but anyway):
Darnold - 26.5"
Rosen - 31"
Broad:
Darnold - 105"
Rosen - 111"
3-Cone:
Darnold - 6.96
Rosen - 7.09
20-yard shuttle
Darnold - 4.40
Rosen - 4.28
So you see they are close. Rosen can jump, and edged him in the 20-yard shuttle. Darnold was a little faster in the 40 and the 3-cone. What matters is what is on tape. Darnold definitely showed a lot more escapability and plays with his legs.
Darnold does better with clutter around him and can improvise.
Rosen doesn't have the same ability. He's an underrated athlete though with his foot work being part of his athleticism and coordination.
That being said, I would be fine with either. Rosen is smart enough in the pocket to be able to maneuver his way around in order to get a throw off.
Allen: 4.75
Darnold - 4.85
Rosen - 4.92
Vert (pretty irrelevant for QBs, but anyway):
Allen: 33.5
Darnold - 26.5"
Rosen - 31"
Broad:
Allen: 119
Darnold - 105"
Rosen - 111"
3-Cone:
Allen: 6.9
Darnold - 6.96
Rosen - 7.09
20-yard shuttle
Allen 4.4
Darnold - 4.40
Rosen - 4.28
Also significantly bigger, better arm, and if Wunderlic is any indication, smarter.
Me too. It's one of those cases where I am wondering if he was feeling tight that day, under the weather, or something was just off. I expected in the 4.7's. I'm not sure I believe that time is an accurate reflection of his ability but if it is I don't think it really hurts him much if at all.
Watching them both play, Darnold will not think twice about running if he see an opportunity (very much like Andrew Luck), whereas Rosen will run out of pure necessity (very much like Eli). That is not to knock one or the other, simply an observation on two different styles of play.
Some QB's just have a better knack for that.
Mayfield played Georgia and Ohio State (like Darnold) but played them in the Horseshoe.
Why do you love Rosen so much?
Lol
It's like comparing Favre's skill set to Aikman's. Or Marino's to Elway's. Not saying either guy rookie become these guys, but that's who their respective games are like.
And the people who like Darnold better are the ones who like a guy who can make stuff happen outside the pocket when the play breaks down.
They are both good athletes
It's like comparing Favre's skill set to Aikman's. Or Marino's to Elway's. Not saying either guy rookie become these guys, but that's who their respective games are like.
And the people who like Darnold better are the ones who like a guy who can make stuff happen outside the pocket when the play breaks down.
^^^^
Well said.
Not feats of strength...
As others said though, Darnold is able to improvise, climb up in the pocket, and escape the pocket to buy time and make plays. He can also make pinpoint throws on the run.