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NFT: Marlins (4-11) @ Yankees (7-7), Monday, 4/16/2018, 06:35p ET

RasputinPrime : 4/16/2018 4:33 pm
1. Derek Dietrich (L) LF .288/.347/.379, 0.1 fWAR
2. Miguel Rojas (R) SS .288/.344/.424, 0.6 fWAR
3. Starlin Castro (R) 2B .295/.357/.328, 0.2 fWAR
4. Justin Bour (L) 1B .226/.293/.472, -0.1 fWAR
5. Brian Anderson (R) 3B .268/.388/.393, 0.4 fWAR
6. Tomas Telis (S) DH .214/.313/.214, 0 fWAR
7. Cameron Maybin (R) CF .244/.326/.341, 0 fWAR
8. J.B. Shuck (L) RF .500/.583/.700, 0.3 fWAR
9. Bryan Holaday (R) CA .167/.259/.208, -0.1 fWAR

Caleb Smith (L): (13.1 IP, 4.73 ERA, 0.0 RA9 WAR)
vs.
Luis Severino (R): (18 IP, 3.50 ERA, 0.4 RA9 WAR)

1. Brett Gardner (L) LF .264/.381/.377, 0.5 fWAR
2. Aaron Judge (R) RF .340/.470/.566, 0.9 fWAR
3. Giancarlo Stanton (R) DH .220/.303/.458, 0.5 fWAR
4. Didi Gregorius (L) SS .311/.433/.689, 1.1 fWAR
5. Gary Sanchez (R) CA .140/.157/.400, -0.1 fWAR
6. Aaron Hicks (S) CF .364/.462/.909, 0.3 fWAR
7. Tyler Austin (R) 1B .265/.359/.500, 0.3 fWAR
8. Miguel Andujar (R) 3B .156/.176/.250, -0.4 fWAR
9. Ronald Torreyes (R) 2B .429/.429/.571, 0.3 fWAR
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Betances in no leverage situation  
RasputinPrime : 4/16/2018 10:12 pm : link
just pump fastballs until you figure that pitch out again.
30 pitch inning for Warren, 41 pitches for Shreve  
mfsd : 4/16/2018 10:13 pm : link
O/U for Betances in the 9th = 50 pitches?
Let him hit a few guys and walk another few  
xman : 4/16/2018 10:13 pm : link
thats are boy
This will be  
section125 : 4/16/2018 10:14 pm : link
good. I'll take the under...
our boy  
xman : 4/16/2018 10:14 pm : link
throws smoke/
RE: This will be  
mfsd : 4/16/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13916846 section125 said:
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good. I'll take the under...


Helps when the Marlins hitter doesn’t bother to swing!
Betances is boring me throwing  
xman : 4/16/2018 10:17 pm : link
strikes
We have found out mop up  
xman : 4/16/2018 10:18 pm : link
boy
Wow - 15 pitches  
section125 : 4/16/2018 10:18 pm : link
to end it...and a fielding play with the 100 mph heater to 1st.
RE: RE: This will be  
section125 : 4/16/2018 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13916850 mfsd said:
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In comment 13916846 section125 said:


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good. I'll take the under...



Helps when the Marlins hitter doesn’t bother to swing!


Well Warren and Shreve set them up throwing balls!
Didi Didi Didi  
xman : 4/16/2018 10:22 pm : link
delightful
RE: This will be  
mfsd : 4/16/2018 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13916846 section125 said:
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good. I'll take the under...


Happy I was very wrong about that!
Tyler Austin -  
Del Shofner : 4/16/2018 10:30 pm : link
two well-smoked doubles. He's hitting pretty well.
a little more detail on Gleyber from RAB:  
Del Shofner : 4/16/2018 10:44 pm : link
"3B Gleyber Torres: 0-2 — lifted for a pinch-hitter in the fifth inning … Brian Cashman confirmed Gleyber was pulled as a precaution with back stiffness"
Andujar made nice contact  
xman : 4/16/2018 11:18 pm : link
4 times? Had 2 doubles himself
Stanton was the only starter without a hit.  
Ace718 : 4/16/2018 11:21 pm : link
Came up in a couple of easy RBI situations but was clearly pressing. He's doing the opposite of Judge at the plate. Judge has really taken an excellent approach at the plate, taking what the pitcher gives him.
Judge is a freaking monster.  
bceagle05 : 4/16/2018 11:34 pm : link
.
Great win.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/16/2018 11:37 pm : link
Offense clicked tonight. Hopefully, tonight's performance gets these guys going.
RE: RE: This will be  
section125 : 4/17/2018 8:15 am : link
In comment 13916870 mfsd said:
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In comment 13916846 section125 said:


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good. I'll take the under...



Happy I was very wrong about that!


50 was too high. Had you said 30......
They mauled a AAA team as they should.  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2018 8:47 am : link
*Seve looked sharp. While I'm a believer in starters going long, I can't blame Boone for taking him out. It's cold, he was sitting for a while, they had an 11 run lead and nobody has pitched since Friday. Guys need work.
*Judge awesome, had 3hits and was robbed of a 4th.
*Sanchez is back. 3 hits again. Should be over the Mendoza line tonight at this pace.
*Didi is Didi. Keeps getting it done. His lefty power is important in this lineup.
oh, and I forgot: Andujar is perking up too  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2018 8:57 am : link
stinging the ball. and opposite field power. Glove been pretty good too.
Ho-hum, just a .351/.479/.614 line from Judge  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2018 9:08 am : link
Business as usual.

Wanna know something funny about Didi's incredible start to the season? He's hitting .327 with a BAbip of only .256 - he's actually been unlucky at the plate.
The funny thing..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/17/2018 9:09 am : link
about reading this thread the next day is that if you didn't know the score, you'd think the Yanks had lost and that Boone made one mistake after another in how he managed.
RE: The funny thing..  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 13917069 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about reading this thread the next day is that if you didn't know the score, you'd think the Yanks had lost and that Boone made one mistake after another in how he managed.


I was going to say that, but we all know who the culprits are and they are no one worth acknowledging.
Anyway, some promising trends  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2018 9:17 am : link
In the last week:

Sanchez: 5 games, 8-22, 3 2B, 2 HR, .364/.391/.773
Andujar: 4 games, 4-16, 3 2B, 1 3B, .250/.294/.563 - baby steps
Gardner: 4 games, 6-16, 1 2B, .375/.500/.438

on the flip side  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2018 9:18 am : link
Wade is 0-12 in the past week. I like the kid but it's not his time yet. He needs to go back to Scranton and figure things out.

Walker is ice cold too, 2-17, two singles, no walks: .118/.118/.118
RE: The funny thing..  
section125 : 4/17/2018 9:23 am : link
In comment 13917069 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about reading this thread the next day is that if you didn't know the score, you'd think the Yanks had lost and that Boone made one mistake after another in how he managed.


Aside from some disagreement with Boone pulling Severino after 6 and Warren and Shreve unable to find the strike zone (not Boone's fault), just what was so negative?
RE: on the flip side  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2018 9:50 am : link
In comment 13917092 Greg from LI said:
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Wade is 0-12 in the past week. I like the kid but it's not his time yet. He needs to go back to Scranton and figure things out.

Walker is ice cold too, 2-17, two singles, no walks: .118/.118/.118


Yeah, but unless Torres actually pulled something last night, one of these guys (probably Wade) will be gone by May 1 latest.
from the "you can't make it up department":  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2018 9:54 am : link
Ellsbury has a THIRD injury now, plantar fasciatis, the SECOND incurred while rehabbing the original oblique injury.

"At this rate, Jacoby Ellsbury is going to wind up with more injuries than hits this season." - Dan Martin, NY Post.
RE: from the  
section125 : 4/17/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 13917160 Victor in CT said:
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Ellsbury has a THIRD injury now, plantar fasciatis, the SECOND incurred while rehabbing the original oblique injury.

"At this rate, Jacoby Ellsbury is going to wind up with more injuries than hits this season." - Dan Martin, NY Post.


Unreal. His body is breaking down fast. Only good news is that once Frazier gets well, he will be the 4th/5th OF.

Have to feel bad for Ellsbury.
not really  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2018 9:59 am : link
Never wanted him in the first place, suspected this is how his Yankee career would play out.
RE: RE: from the  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2018 10:01 am : link
In comment 13917166 section125 said:
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In comment 13917160 Victor in CT said:


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Ellsbury has a THIRD injury now, plantar fasciatis, the SECOND incurred while rehabbing the original oblique injury.

"At this rate, Jacoby Ellsbury is going to wind up with more injuries than hits this season." - Dan Martin, NY Post.



Unreal. His body is breaking down fast. Only good news is that once Frazier gets well, he will be the 4th/5th OF.

Have to feel bad for Ellsbury.


Yes, to a point. He's goy $68 mill coming in to help him feel better. :-)
From our selfish fan standpoint, that f'ing contract is an albatross and he takes up a valuable spot on the 40 man roster.
RE: not really  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2018 10:04 am : link
In comment 13917168 Greg from LI said:
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Never wanted him in the first place, suspected this is how his Yankee career would play out.


this too
RE: RE: RE: from the  
section125 : 4/17/2018 10:05 am : link
In comment 13917174 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13917166 section125 said:


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In comment 13917160 Victor in CT said:


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Ellsbury has a THIRD injury now, plantar fasciatis, the SECOND incurred while rehabbing the original oblique injury.

"At this rate, Jacoby Ellsbury is going to wind up with more injuries than hits this season." - Dan Martin, NY Post.



Unreal. His body is breaking down fast. Only good news is that once Frazier gets well, he will be the 4th/5th OF.

Have to feel bad for Ellsbury.



Yes, to a point. He's goy $68 mill coming in to help him feel better. :-)
From our selfish fan standpoint, that f'ing contract is an albatross and he takes up a valuable spot on the 40 man roster.


Ranks up there with the Pujols contract as worst ever. For somebody rehabbing, he seems to be getting more weird injuries than what would be believable. Wonder if he is pulling Cashman's chain?
section125, this contract is the one blight on Cashman's record over  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2018 10:13 am : link
past 5-7 years. It violates so many obvious principals. Length of the deal for a player reliant on his legs AND with significant injury history, only played 150+ games twice in 6 years, not a great run producer, AND A not trade clause to boot.

UGH!
Honestly, I wonder how much of that was Cashman  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2018 10:16 am : link
and how much of it was Hal Steinbrenner panicking after Cano went to Seattle.
RE: Honestly, I wonder how much of that was Cashman  
Tesla : 4/17/2018 10:18 am : link
In comment 13917195 Greg from LI said:
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and how much of it was Hal Steinbrenner panicking after Cano went to Seattle.


Whenever the Yankees make an obviously awful decision I just assume Levine is at the bottom of it.
That was a strange offseason.  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2018 10:19 am : link
Ellsbury, McCann and Beltran in rapid fire succession (I forget what order). I really didn't like any of those moves.
RE: Honestly, I wonder how much of that was Cashman  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2018 10:20 am : link
In comment 13917195 Greg from LI said:
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and how much of it was Hal Steinbrenner panicking after Cano went to Seattle.


That's a good point. But at least Hal seems to be a guy who is reasonable and willing to listen and learn. Can you imagine if Hank-en-Stein was still in charge? We'd have the Ellsbury AND the Pujols contracts :-) And God knows what else.
If there’s any silver lining to the fact the Yanks are paying Ellsbury  
mfsd : 4/17/2018 10:20 am : link
for 3 more seasons after this - it seems Cashman (and Steinbrenner and company) finally learned their lesson after this one
I didn't really have much problem with the latter two  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2018 10:22 am : link
Ellsbury was a terrible mistake. They paid him as if they expected him to repeat his 2011 season instead of seeing it as the massive fluke that it was. They also paid top dollar for a guy who was frequently injured as he headed into his age 30 season, as if he would get more durable with age for some reason.
Hah.....it's funny now to look back at the brief reign of Hank  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2018 10:24 am : link
What a buffoon.

Ellsbury as a Yankee: .264/.330/.386, many DL visits. All for the low low price of $150 million!
RE: That was a strange offseason.  
Kyle in NY : 4/17/2018 10:27 am : link
In comment 13917201 bceagle05 said:
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Ellsbury, McCann and Beltran in rapid fire succession (I forget what order). I really didn't like any of those moves.


McCann and Beltran were at least reasonably productive and they were able to turn them into three good pitching prospects in Abreu, Guzman and Tate. Beltran's leadership clearly left a positive impression as well, considering he got a managerial interview right after retiring.

There is not a single positive from this Ellsbury contract. It's immovable, he's an average player at best when he does manage to get in. And the frustrating part is most knew this at the time. It was not hard to envision things playing out this way. I wish we could get the real story and why it happened. Because it runs contrary to everything Cashman has done recently.
RE: I didn't really have much problem with the latter two  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 13917208 Greg from LI said:
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Ellsbury was a terrible mistake. They paid him as if they expected him to repeat his 2011 season instead of seeing it as the massive fluke that it was. They also paid top dollar for a guy who was frequently injured as he headed into his age 30 season, as if he would get more durable with age for some reason.


THIS!!!!!!! McAnn and Beltran were short term fixes with short, tradeable contracts. Ellsbury was just ridiculous. 7 years for an injury case with 1 gerat year out of 7.
Michael Kay  
mitch300 : 4/17/2018 10:32 am : link
has said on numerous occasions, when you let a player go to someone in your division, that is a red flag. The Red Sox didn't even offer him a contract.
RE: Michael Kay  
Victor in CT : 4/17/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 13917226 mitch300 said:
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has said on numerous occasions, when you let a player go to someone in your division, that is a red flag. The Red Sox didn't even offer him a contract.


Proof that a stopped watch is right twice a day. :-)
Ellsbury, McCann and Beltran  
arniefez : 4/17/2018 10:35 am : link
were Cano's money and a panicked over reaction to Cano leaving probably heavily influenced by Levine and Trost convincing Hal that he'd lose ticket sales and ratings unless he made big free agent signings. More than teaching Cashman a lesson about more long term contracts it probably cost Levine and Trost a lot juice with Hal on baseball decisions. They both seem quite neutered lately which is a great thing.
RE: I didn't really have much problem with the latter two  
section125 : 4/17/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 13917208 Greg from LI said:
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Ellsbury was a terrible mistake. They paid him as if they expected him to repeat his 2011 season instead of seeing it as the massive fluke that it was. They also paid top dollar for a guy who was frequently injured as he headed into his age 30 season, as if he would get more durable with age for some reason.


Stupid thing was they had the exact same player on the team already in Gardner. And while Ells may have had a touch more power and was a better base stealer, Gardner was better in every other way, especially defense. Yep, definitely a panic move over Cano signing in Seattle (which I had no problem with for that much money.) I know I'm biased, but Gardner was always the better player because of reliability and defense.
RE: RE: I didn't really have much problem with the latter two  
mfsd : 4/17/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13917237 section125 said:
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In comment 13917208 Greg from LI said:


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Ellsbury was a terrible mistake. They paid him as if they expected him to repeat his 2011 season instead of seeing it as the massive fluke that it was. They also paid top dollar for a guy who was frequently injured as he headed into his age 30 season, as if he would get more durable with age for some reason.



Stupid thing was they had the exact same player on the team already in Gardner. And while Ells may have had a touch more power and was a better base stealer, Gardner was better in every other way, especially defense. Yep, definitely a panic move over Cano signing in Seattle (which I had no problem with for that much money.) I know I'm biased, but Gardner was always the better player because of reliability and defense.


Gardy’s also always been a popular clubhouse/team leader guy. Ellsbury, while never being a bad guy, has always seemed to be quiet and kinda weird.
Kahnle to the DL, retroactive to yesterday, with shoulder  
Mad Mike : 4/17/2018 4:15 pm : link
tendonitis. Cessa back.
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