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Sean Payton on the Qb's

OBJRoyal : 4/16/2018 5:10 pm
I dont see Luck in this draft, and I dont see Carson Wentz, who I liked a lot coming into the draft, Payton said. Id feel a little bit uneasy if I were at the top of this draft and I decided I had to have a quarterback. The pressure to get a quarterback is so great in this league, I get that. But we cant create em. I wouldnt be surprised if only one of these guys is left standing in four or five years, and if so, Id guess it would be Sam Darnold.

Maybe Sean wants one to drop?? or maybe he's right
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Interesting  
dune69 : 4/16/2018 5:14 pm : link
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Yup, spoken by a HC who hopes QBs fall  
ZogZerg : 4/16/2018 5:19 pm : link
in the draft so he can grab one.
RE: Yup, spoken by a HC who hopes QBs fall  
micky : 4/16/2018 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13916399 ZogZerg said:
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in the draft so he can grab one.


how many times has it been stated by the wise.. word taken by all this time of year is basically lies.

So he doesnt lke Darnold  
Rudy5757 : 4/16/2018 5:30 pm : link
and would be happy if any of the others dropped to him. Dont take the word of any coaches.
Or, maybe he figures they'll all be gone by the time his team picks,  
81_Great_Dane : 4/16/2018 5:34 pm : link
so it doesn't matter what he says about this.
RE: Yup, spoken by a HC who hopes QBs fall  
UConn4523 : 4/16/2018 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13916399 ZogZerg said:
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in the draft so he can grab one.


My thought as well. Love the Wentz line too, I bet Payton didnt think highly of him coming out either but now hes the gold standard for prospects.
None of the QBs are dropping to the Saints  
GiantsLaw : 4/16/2018 5:48 pm : link
So I have to think hes being honest. Might not be correct but I dont think hes deceiving
RE: None of the QBs are dropping to the Saints  
UConn4523 : 4/16/2018 5:52 pm : link
In comment 13916432 GiantsLaw said:
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So I have to think hes being honest. Might not be correct but I dont think hes deceiving


Still dont believe him, I think hes full of shit. Either wants one to drop, knows none will be in reach, or both. Hed be singing a much different tune if he were picking in the top 10. He also doesnt have a 2nd to move up either so Im guessing he hasnt dont much work at all on this QB class.
RE: None of the QBs are dropping to the Saints  
BigBlue4You09 : 4/16/2018 5:53 pm : link
In comment 13916432 GiantsLaw said:
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So I have to think hes being honest. Might not be correct but I dont think hes deceiving


Doesnt mean they couldnt trade up for one they like if he falls far enough
Sounds like he is saying  
djstat : 4/16/2018 6:09 pm : link
I am glad I don't have to pick at the top and be judged based on who I pick...
RE: RE: Yup, spoken by a HC who hopes QBs fall  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/16/2018 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13916420 UConn4523 said:
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My thought as well. Love the Wentz line too, I bet Payton didnt think highly of him coming out either but now hes the gold standard for prospects.


My first thought too when I heard the comments. It's easy now to say you loved Wentz. As for Luck, he was a once a decade prospect. Waiting for a guy like that to come along (Peyton, Elway, etc.) before drafting a QB early will lead to lots of coaches being fired and franchises being a total mess. There's risk with 99.9% of these picks.
YES. THANK YOU.  
Anakim : 4/16/2018 6:39 pm : link
This is what I've been saying all along.

"But we'll never pick this high again"
"Eli is 37 and declining"


You can't force a pick. That sets back the franchise even further.
Meh, one man's trash is another mans  
barens : 4/16/2018 6:54 pm : link
treasure.

It really doesn't matter  
GeorgeAdams33 : 4/16/2018 6:58 pm : link
...if Payton liked Wentz and Luck before. He is saying that there is no QB in this class that stands out as a franchise guy. They all have their flaws. Their values are inflated by the need at the position. Buyer beware. I love how some of you hear a quote or read of a transaction and instantly you extrapolate all sorts of speculative ramifications.
RE: It really doesn't matter  
UConn4523 : 4/16/2018 7:07 pm : link
In comment 13916510 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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...if Payton liked Wentz and Luck before. He is saying that there is no QB in this class that stands out as a franchise guy. They all have their flaws. Their values are inflated by the need at the position. Buyer beware. I love how some of you hear a quote or read of a transaction and instantly you extrapolate all sorts of speculative ramifications.


My speculation comes from A. Payton is already a dishonest cheating scumbag and B. hes got no shot at drafting any of these guys. Why should anyone believe what he says, good or bad?

If he just said theres no Luck in this draft Id have absolutely no problem with it. But then he lumps in a QB from a crap conference, who played 1 full season of college football.

I like Wentz, but as a prospect he wasnt close to Luck.
It's  
AcidTest : 4/16/2018 7:12 pm : link
all a cauldron of misinformation. I'm sure he loves all the QBs, and as others have said, is hoping one falls to the Saints.
Baloney Sean  
NikkiMac : 4/16/2018 7:16 pm : link
He wants Baker Mayfield to drop, He would fit right in there behind Brees.........
What a jerk.  
DonQuixote : 4/16/2018 7:22 pm : link
So he is predicting Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph, Falk, Lauletta, etc, etc.

They'll all be out of the league in 5 years?

OK Sean
RE: YES. THANK YOU.  
yatqb : 4/16/2018 7:44 pm : link
In comment 13916475 Anakim said:
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This is what I've been saying all along.

"But we'll never pick this high again"
"Eli is 37 and declining"


You can't force a pick. That sets back the franchise even further.


Anak, don't be ridiculous. All these teams are trying to trade up, but there are no good QBs in the draft? Why buy what Payton says?
There are a lot of experts out there who are saying the same thing  
PatersonPlank : 4/16/2018 8:43 pm : link
Rather than sit in our loungers with our cans of beer and ridicule a guy who is an expert in player evaluation, we should acknowledge that he knows what he is talking about and that these QB's are not sure picks.
RE: There are a lot of experts out there who are saying the same thing  
DonQuixote : 4/16/2018 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13916657 PatersonPlank said:
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Rather than sit in our loungers with our cans of beer and ridicule a guy who is an expert in player evaluation, we should acknowledge that he knows what he is talking about and that these QB's are not sure picks.


Are they saying that nobody but Darnold is even going to be in the league. It is an insult to those other players and probably way off. Look, maybe none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick, that's debatable, but what Payton said was an insult to these talented young players.
Many people made their minds up last spring that this QB class was  
widmerseyebrow : 4/16/2018 8:58 pm : link
Going to be one of the best of all time. It didn't play out that way on the field. Defenders aren't going to be swayed by some quote at this point.
RE: There are a lot of experts out there who are saying the same thing  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/16/2018 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13916657 PatersonPlank said:
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Rather than sit in our loungers with our cans of beer and ridicule a guy who is an expert in player evaluation, we should acknowledge that he knows what he is talking about and that these QB's are not sure picks.


EVERYONE KNOWS THAT ALREADY. Literally not one single person, whether they're an NFL coach or a "guy who sits in his lounger" thinks this group of QBs is without flaws or that there are any "sure picks" among them. The problem is he cites Andrew Luck, then lumps Carson Wentz in with him. If the only time a team could draft a QB is when waiting for a Luck-type prospect, no one would ever draft QBs. Those guys rarely come around. Carson Wentz was no Andrew Luck as a prospect regardless of how Payton felt about him, so his comments come off as disengenous.
RE: RE: YES. THANK YOU.  
TrueBlue56 : 4/16/2018 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13916587 yatqb said:
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In comment 13916475 Anakim said:


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This is what I've been saying all along.

"But we'll never pick this high again"
"Eli is 37 and declining"


You can't force a pick. That sets back the franchise even further.



Anak, don't be ridiculous. All these teams are trying to trade up, but there are no good QBs in the draft? Why buy what Payton says?


All of these team's? What team's? The jets moved up. The bills? The Broncos? The browns are taking a quarterback at 1. These are the team's that we should be looking at in regards to drafting quarterbacks and this year's quarterback class

They have such a stellar track record. Losman, manziel, Sanchez, EJ Manuel, weeden, Tebow, q
RE: RE: YES. THANK YOU.  
Anakim : 4/16/2018 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13916587 yatqb said:
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In comment 13916475 Anakim said:


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This is what I've been saying all along.

"But we'll never pick this high again"
"Eli is 37 and declining"


You can't force a pick. That sets back the franchise even further.



Anak, don't be ridiculous. All these teams are trying to trade up, but there are no good QBs in the draft? Why buy what Payton says?


There's no consensus, Yat. Some people like this class; some people don't. I don't think there's a blue chip QB talent in this draft.
RE: RE: RE: YES. THANK YOU.  
TrueBlue56 : 4/16/2018 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13916942 TrueBlue56 said:
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In comment 13916587 yatqb said:


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In comment 13916475 Anakim said:


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This is what I've been saying all along.

"But we'll never pick this high again"
"Eli is 37 and declining"


You can't force a pick. That sets back the franchise even further.



Anak, don't be ridiculous. All these teams are trying to trade up, but there are no good QBs in the draft? Why buy what Payton says?




All of these team's? What team's? The jets moved up. The bills? The Broncos? The browns are taking a quarterback at 1. These are the team's that we should be looking at in regards to drafting quarterbacks and this year's quarterback class

They have such a stellar track record. Losman, manziel, Sanchez, EJ Manuel, weeden, Tebow, quinn and that's not even talking free agents. They are all quarterback desperate team's. Not exactly the team's I would want to look at in regards to determining what type of quarterbacks are in this class.

No one is going to validate this class with their opinion. Not general managers, coaches, scouts or draft experts. It all depends on what Gettleman and pat shurmur think. They might be right or wrong.

Accorsi had a conviction on Eli Manning despite the naysayers. He could have taken different routes in getting a quarterback and I remember a lot of people screaming how the chargers fleeced us when they got merriman, kaeding and a host of other players.
The Bills didn't move up to 12 for no reason; rumors are they want to  
yatqb : 4/17/2018 1:02 am : link
get up higher for one of the QBs.

I'm not suggesting that we should automatically draft a QB at 2. But if DG and Shurmur love one who's there when we're on the clock it would be crazy not to take him.

But certainly Payton's comments wouldn't factor into my decision. After all, who knows what his agenda is. And whether you think this is a good QB draft or not doesn't make it so, Anak. I'll trust Shurmur on this.

But I'll add that it would be foolish for the Giants to decide that Eli has many more good years in him. If we get one more I'll be grateful.
If you ask me it was a pretty dickhead thing to say  
Jimmy Googs : 4/17/2018 1:18 am : link
about a bunch of guys that are about to have their dreams come true in less than 2 weeks. Being drafted by an NFL team at a likely high spot.

Yet they basically will all fail and will have other careers in a few years.

What an ass...

RE: RE: RE: YES. THANK YOU.  
chopperhatch : 4/17/2018 1:33 am : link
In comment 13916943 Anakim said:
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In comment 13916475 Anakim said:


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This is what I've been saying all along.

"But we'll never pick this high again"
"Eli is 37 and declining"


You can't force a pick. That sets back the franchise even further.



Anak, don't be ridiculous. All these teams are trying to trade up, but there are no good QBs in the draft? Why buy what Payton says?



There's no consensus, Yat. Some people like this class; some people don't. I don't think there's a blue chip QB talent in this draft.


The vast majority considers this QB class to be the most promising in years.
What a stupid comment to be making  
UberAlias : 4/17/2018 2:58 am : link
About prospects some other team will be drafting. He comes off as a prick. For starters, its doubtful hes gone through the process teams picking at the top of the draft have. Hes not studying these guys but is going to throw out his opinion that these kids are going to fail? What a jerk.
I think that he meant  
GeorgeAdams33 : 4/17/2018 9:25 am : link
.... statistically speaking
Only matters to me what Shurmur thinks of the QB's.  
Ryan in Albany : 4/17/2018 9:31 am : link
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