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Schwartz on Gettleman's draft history

GFAN52 : 4/17/2018 7:32 am
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There is always a first time, but Gettleman’s track record is that he has never, ever traded down in the draft. Now then, he never owned a pick as valuable or seductive as the second overall selection.


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If history is a guide — and why would it not be? — Gettleman’s modus operandi is to wheel and deal on draft day — in one direction. He was the point-man for five drafts with the Panthers and five times traded up in order to select a targeted player.

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I thought the interesting part of the article  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/17/2018 7:40 am : link
the number of running backs he took while at Carolina.

"Gettleman has taken six defensive backs, five defensive linemen, five running backs, four offensive linemen, three linebackers, two wide receivers, two tight ends and the one kicker. "

I guess he values the position.
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SirYesSir : 4/17/2018 8:07 am : link
In comment 13916996 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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the number of running backs he took while at Carolina.

"Gettleman has taken six defensive backs, five defensive linemen, five running backs, four offensive linemen, three linebackers, two wide receivers, two tight ends and the one kicker. "

I guess he values the position.



I mean, maybe. It's not that large a sample size. They may have just had a need at the position. Or, he might look back and say "that wasn't so bright in hindsight".

I take this info as no real indicator of what to expect.
How is any of this relevant?  
UberAlias : 4/17/2018 8:14 am : link
Honestly, do we need to point out that the current Giant situation, sitting at the top of the draft with the QB situation and options on the table from potential suitors is unique?

There is no history of evidence for what DG will do in this situation because he's never been in a situation like this before. One would assume this were obvious.
Gettlemen seems to be a very smart and savvy guy  
Rjanyg : 4/17/2018 8:48 am : link
He also seems to be unafraid of making tough decisions and I think he can make the controversial decision as well, like going RB over QB or trading back for a boat load of picks and still get a blue chip player.

All the past drafts have no bearing on this one because DG has never had the 2nd pick in the draft.

RE: How is any of this relevant?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/17/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 13917019 UberAlias said:
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Honestly, do we need to point out that the current Giant situation, sitting at the top of the draft with the QB situation and options on the table from potential suitors is unique?

There is no history of evidence for what DG will do in this situation because he's never been in a situation like this before. One would assume this were obvious.


His draft history is relevant, certainly. For instance, you can clearly note a patter of being willing to make trades to move up and get an identified target, something the last GM did not choose to do very often.
Didn't Reese..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/17/2018 9:06 am : link
trade up six times while he was GM? That would seem fairly often to me.
Gettleman never picked so high so he never had to make a choice  
Ivan15 : 4/17/2018 9:10 am : link
between the best QB available and the best player available.

Part of the decision may be made for him by the Browns. Regardless, does he see either option as a superstar (I don’t like generational talent or future HOFer but you get the idea) who can lead a team for 10 years?

If not, trade down! Simple. And one consequence of trading down will allow him to get picks to trade back up with.
RE: Didn't Reese..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/17/2018 9:10 am : link
In comment 13917064 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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trade up six times while he was GM? That would seem fairly often to me.


Comparatively, 6 times in 10 years worth of drafts compared to 5 times in 3(4?) years of drafts.

RE: I thought the interesting part of the article  
Jarvis : 4/17/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 13916996 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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the number of running backs he took while at Carolina.

"Gettleman has taken six defensive backs, five defensive linemen, five running backs, four offensive linemen, three linebackers, two wide receivers, two tight ends and the one kicker. "

I guess he values the position.


He also came to a team that had just drafted a QB number 1 overall. So, it is difficult to evaluate his value on QBs by his draft record.
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jvm52106 : 4/17/2018 9:32 am : link
In comment 13917073 Jarvis said:
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In comment 13916996 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:


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the number of running backs he took while at Carolina.

"Gettleman has taken six defensive backs, five defensive linemen, five running backs, four offensive linemen, three linebackers, two wide receivers, two tight ends and the one kicker. "

I guess he values the position.



He also came to a team that had just drafted a QB number 1 overall. So, it is difficult to evaluate his value on QBs by his draft record.


They also have more depth across the board (had more depth) and didn't need to accumulate multiple picks.
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UberAlias : 4/17/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13917062 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13917019 UberAlias said:


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Honestly, do we need to point out that the current Giant situation, sitting at the top of the draft with the QB situation and options on the table from potential suitors is unique?

There is no history of evidence for what DG will do in this situation because he's never been in a situation like this before. One would assume this were obvious.



His draft history is relevant, certainly. For instance, you can clearly note a patter of being willing to make trades to move up and get an identified target, something the last GM did not choose to do very often.
Except the situations are not remotely comparable. DG has never been in position to be fielding offers for possible massive haul of picks in exchange for his spot. Alternatively, he's never been in the position in terms of potential need and opportunity to draft a franchise QB because he always had Cam Newton and was never in striking distance to select one of the drafts top prospects at the position or a blue chip prospects. That's what characterizes the dynamics of a trade here. There is a degree of leverage he has here to shape the opportunity that's doubtful for any of his prior positions.
Look the Giants might trade down.  
Nysportsfn13 : 4/17/2018 10:48 am : link
But DG is not trading outside the top 10, it really doesn't matter what Buffalo offers.

quality trumps quantity. period
If Gettleman drafted a position player at number 2, and a couple of  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 4/17/2018 11:23 am : link
the quarterbacks became stars of the magnitude of Manning, Roethlisberger and Rivers, Gettleman would never live that down, especially if the Giants struggled for four or five or more years to get their Manning replacement.

You know why Buffalo is willing to give up every draft choice they own to pick one of the top four quarterbacks (and I'm sure they really want to trade with the Giants so they can pick one of the top three)

Because under their last star quarterback, Jim Kelly, (HOF) who was drafted number 14 in the first round, the Bills went to four straight Super Bowls 1991-1994. He retired in 1996 after managing to make the playoffs.

The Bills made the playoffs without Kelly in 98 and 99, but then went 17 straight seasons without a playoff appearance, with only two winning records of 9-7. Last season they finally made the playoffs again with a 9-7 record.

Does that 17 years sound familiar to old Giants' fans?

The odds are good that Gettleman can eliminate that kind of nightmare with the use of just one draft pick. The only reason not to draft one of these top 4 is that the Giants may like another QB not on everyone's radar whom they can pick up later in the first or second round.

Bill Walsh was ready to draft virtually unknown Phil Simms in the third round, but the Giants, taking no chances, drafted Simms with the 14th pick in the first round.

And the fans all booed the Giants' pick.
RE: If Gettleman drafted a position player at number 2, and a couple of  
Greg from LI : 4/17/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13917314 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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Bill Walsh was ready to draft virtually unknown Phil Simms in the third round, but the Giants, taking no chances, drafted Simms with the 14th pick in the first round.

And the fans all booed the Giants' pick.


Close, but not quite. The Giants took Simms with the seventh pick. Walsh had told Simms that the 49ers were going to pick him with the first pick in the second round, which was their first pick. The Niners had traded their first round pick, which turned out to be #1 overall, to the Bills for OJ Simpson. Simms told Walsh that he didn't think he'd still be available in the second but Walsh said that the Niners had done a lot of checking around and they were sure he wasn't going in the first round. The Niners ended up using the pick on WR James Owens, who was a bust.
RE: I thought the interesting part of the article  
DonQuixote : 4/17/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13916996 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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the number of running backs he took while at Carolina.

"Gettleman has taken six defensive backs, five defensive linemen, five running backs, four offensive linemen, three linebackers, two wide receivers, two tight ends and the one kicker. "

I guess he values the position.


Small sample size. For example, with these data he apparently places zero value on the QB position.
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SB 42 and 46 and ? : 4/17/2018 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13917336 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13917314 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:


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Bill Walsh was ready to draft virtually unknown Phil Simms in the third round, but the Giants, taking no chances, drafted Simms with the 14th pick in the first round.

And the fans all booed the Giants' pick.



Close, but not quite. The Giants took Simms with the seventh pick. Walsh had told Simms that the 49ers were going to pick him with the first pick in the second round, which was their first pick. The Niners had traded their first round pick, which turned out to be #1 overall, to the Bills for OJ Simpson. Simms told Walsh that he didn't think he'd still be available in the second but Walsh said that the Niners had done a lot of checking around and they were sure he wasn't going in the first round. The Niners ended up using the pick on WR James Owens, who was a bust.


Well, you're right about Simms going overall seventh. I thought I had a good source in Peter King for Niners taking Simms in the 3rd?

But what neither of us mentioned was that the Niners, having drafted Simms in neither the 2nd nor 3rd rounds, "settled for" Joe Montana in the 3rd instead.
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