Our last 3rd round pick who was a consistent contributor was Super Mario Manningham way back in 2008
Since then we have seen the likes of Jay Bromley, Jerell Jernigan, Jayron Hosley, Damontre Moore, Ramses Barden etc all players who have given this team nothing as far as production
Here's to hoping Gettleman can end this streak of futility for the NYG
Any names of players that could possibly be there in early round 3 for us?
Im hoping the USC back Jones or the OSU center Price possibly fall to our pick..Any other names
Damontre Moore and Jayron Hosley had some talent, They were both just to immature to turn potential into production
Pass Rusher
OL
CB
S
RB
Only so many picks to go around.
They could use a CB to put in the pipeline and there could be value in the third round.
Good news is they made some solid frugal UFA signings, players that should be able to contribute at FS, nickel/dime, and special teams.
The offensive line still is bad. They have three players that shouldnt be starting at a minimum. Patrick O is a major unknown.
With needs at pass rusher, OL, CB, etc, they have more then enough at WR. This is a weak draft at the position.
The offensive line still is bad. They have three players that shouldnt be starting at a minimum. Patrick O is a major unknown.
With needs at pass rusher, OL, CB, etc, they have more then enough at WR. This is a weak draft at the position.
So you’d be ok starting Roger Lewis outside opposite Beckham?
Make no mistake, they need a #2 in the pipeline. It doesn't ensure they'll draft one now, but they're looking.
Make no mistake, they need a #2 in the pipeline. It doesn't ensure they'll draft one now, but they're looking.
It's not an immediate need. Especially when you consider they have a WR playing tight end.
I understand the whole BPA theory, but until the giants fix their broken fundamentals it doesnt matter who they have lined up outside.
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to draft a WR in this draft. It's totally unnecessary, ESPECIALLY if they draft Barkley 2nd.
The offensive line still is bad. They have three players that shouldnt be starting at a minimum. Patrick O is a major unknown.
With needs at pass rusher, OL, CB, etc, they have more then enough at WR. This is a weak draft at the position.
So you’d be ok starting Roger Lewis outside opposite Beckham?
They dont have to. They have Shepard & Marshall still under contract. Also have Engram who can line up all over the field. There are more then enough pass catchers.
They need to rebuild the core of their fundamentals before they worry about a future #2 WR. Especially in a weak WR draft.
The draft isn't typically utilized that way, and it's really not debatable.
If a WR they cover is available and the value picks the pick slot, they'll draft thinking longer game.
Pass Rusher
OL
CB
S
RB
Only so many picks to go around.
The thing with trading back is that while you have more picks, it might be harder to fill holes adequately.
If you're leaving talent on the board because you have a bigger need to fill then you have already lost.
At some point they have to go all in on fixing the major issue of this team for the last 6 years. Is there a scenario where the player is just so good they have to take him? I guess, but based on the rankings in this draft it seems unlikely to occur.
Just my 2 cents.
Philosophically, I prefer to avoid the desperate decisions.
Make no mistake, they need a #2 in the pipeline. It doesn't ensure they'll draft one now, but they're looking.
The Giants used one of their pre-draft 30 visits on Thomas Owens from FIU. As I said in another thread, I'd consider trading Flowers for a late day three pick. Perkins as well if we draft Barkley.
WR is definitely a need, even with Engram and Barkley. After OBJ and SS, we basically have nothing except journeymen like Lewis, Sharp, and Latimer. At least use a day three pick to add another WR to the competitive mix.
CC Brown, the only safety in the NFL the QB didn't want to "look off" because they might actually send him in the right direction.
Do you have insider information? Otherwise, nothing I've seen this offseason indicates that. If it were true I'm sure his agent would be notified. He was at duke with Eli and CO and his been at OTA's. That doenst seem like a guy waiting to be cut.
They could use a CB to put in the pipeline and there could be value in the third round.
Good news is they made some solid frugal UFA signings, players that should be able to contribute at FS, nickel/dime, and special teams.
This is the Reese mentality. Try to hit HR’s at skill spots and hope you at least get a role player. I hope DG stays true to his word and drafts differently.
This team needs an infusion of talent along the OL and front 7 on defense. That’s where the focus in the draft should be.
And before you parrot the need bullshit company line, the games are won in the trenches. The Giants are trying to field a winning product. The value will be there at those spots at their picks. Time to stop kicking the can down the road.
It's got nothing to do with focusing on skill positions, and it's got nothing to do with Reese. I'd say the same thing if OL talent fit the bill at #34, I just don't think it will
Drop the Reese moniker.
Keep that mind before you bother trying to insult others, your act is tired along with many other angry posters here.
I can definitely see them spending a 3rd rounder for someone to start on the outside.
He addressed OL when it was a need, but he forced picks out of desperation, pickong the wrong OL at the wrong time, and now some are advocating the same thing.
Flowers was forced. Pugh was forced. Both were drafted too early. Pugh was serviceable but did not play at a 1st round level.
What we should take away from that is that you're better off taking what the board gives you.
It's got nothing to do with focusing on skill positions, and it's got nothing to do with Reese. I'd say the same thing if OL talent fit the bill at #34, I just don't think it will
Drop the Reese moniker.
I am by no means an expert on the available talent that might be there at #34. I have seen any number of posters talking about various OL they thought would be good choices there and that they thought would be available.
You don't think there will be good OL choices at #34?
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from precious few draft picks.
It's got nothing to do with focusing on skill positions, and it's got nothing to do with Reese. I'd say the same thing if OL talent fit the bill at #34, I just don't think it will
Drop the Reese moniker.
I am by no means an expert on the available talent that might be there at #34. I have seen any number of posters talking about various OL they thought would be good choices there and that they thought would be available.
You don't think there will be good OL choices at #34?
That's an honest question. I am not trying to bait you or anything.
Conversely, if the value is there at OL I'm all for it, plug a hole. But the see hole plug hole nonsense without seeing the bigger picture is irritating.
Conversely, if the value is there at OL I'm all for it, plug a hole. But the see hole plug hole nonsense without seeing the bigger picture is irritating.
Certainly agree on pass rushers. And that is a hole as well.
A good offseason next year, and this could be a very different team in 2019.
But its still going to take some luck. Either in players on the squad developing, great production from draft picks, or FA. Plus the QB situation can't go south.
That's still a lot of ifs even in 2019.
Yes Position Value counts as does fit within the system
A real #2 is a need, but Engram does a lot of the things you would look for from a #2. Watching Engram and Shepherd run meshes last year was actually a thing of beauty. Resulted in 3 long TDs...
Sort of why I like a positional pool of 5-7 positions and take your standout best actual named specific player on the board from within that to instill some discipline into the rosters balance.
Especially after round I you can find arguable best that way. As opposed to singular position.
Keep that mind before you bother trying to insult others, your act is tired along with many other angry posters here.
It wasn’t intended as an insult, but I see a lot of robotic posts chirping the same tired draft buzz words.
This is one of the weakest drafts in recent years at the WR position. Just about every draft board out there has several quality OL prospects available at 34. It’s not reaching for need if you get a potential pro bowl caliber OL at 34, around the range everyone expected the player to go. I don’t see how that’s difficult to grasp.
As far as CB goes, sure there may be value at 34. But this is where the Reese name drops come in. It doesn’t appear DG values CB as much as the prior regime when you look at how Carolina is built, his comments about the team/draft, and his prior drafts in Carolina.
As for CB, I mentioned third round option and how they'd already gone to lengths to fill in the ranks with vets.
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so is #2 WR, albeit not necessarily an urgent need above OL, for example But, there are also draft boards and positional hierarchies inherent to the game that have an effect on value of draft picks.
A real #2 is a need, but Engram does a lot of the things you would look for from a #2. Watching Engram and Shepherd run meshes last year was actually a thing of beauty. Resulted in 3 long TDs...
Engram can certainly have an effect with some routes, but for me it's not enough to rest on laurels trying to find a vertical threat to pull the top off defenses, when the right prospect surfaces. And, that could very well be a player to be named later, for sure.
As for CB, I mentioned third round option and how they'd already gone to lengths to fill in the ranks with vets.
Hmmm, I don't think any of the vets signed at CB should be a consideration regarding the decision to draft a CB if the right value is there.
If you mean that, they should not reach for a CB, yes agreed, but if the value is there, by all means don't be deterred by what is on this roster.
If not addressed this year, then I think it should be somehow addressed next year. IMO, what we have now at CB is insufficient to expect to win.
Wonder if he'll pay Collins, but that's for another day.
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so is #2 WR, albeit not necessarily an urgent need above OL, for example But, there are also draft boards and positional hierarchies inherent to the game that have an effect on value of draft picks.
A real #2 is a need, but Engram does a lot of the things you would look for from a #2. Watching Engram and Shepherd run meshes last year was actually a thing of beauty. Resulted in 3 long TDs...
Engram can certainly have an effect with some routes, but for me it's not enough to rest on laurels trying to find a vertical threat to pull the top off defenses, when the right prospect surfaces. And, that could very well be a player to be named later, for sure.
Yeah a guy who can "pull the top off defenses" would help. Even Beckham's strengths are more in the short and intermediate routes done with timing and precision to allow him to make YAC.
But for that guy to truly help, we need to fix the line. Nobody will honor the deep ball if we can't pass protect long enough for the play to develop.
Wonder if he'll pay Collins, but that's for another day.
Yeah he let Norman walk... That may have been a factor in his losing that job though. He may want to rethink that stance. CB is a premium position.
Deon Cain – Clemson – 6’2/202
DJ Chark – LSU – 6’3/199
Daesean Hamilton – Penn State – 6’1/203
Is it your take that we need someone with the speed to get behind the defense or a better redzone threat?
Conversely, if the value is there at OL I'm all for it, plug a hole. But the see hole plug hole nonsense without seeing the bigger picture is irritating.
Agreed. FA for needs. Draft is BPA, with need a small consideration if the grades are equal, or an even bigger factor if one player is a QB the team is considering in the first round.
So with OBL, Shepard, Engram, Barkley and a tall, possession, 3rd down WR (perhaps Marshall, if he is kept), Gettleman may wait to sign a WR FA after the draft to compete.
Some interest expressed by Getty in Equanimeous St. Brown but only if we trade down from #2.
Frank Ragnow C/G. Arkansas
Josh Sweat OLB. Florida State
Darius Leonard LB. So Carolina State
DaeShon Hamilton WR. Penn State
Chukwuma Okorafor OT Western Michigan
passrusher and OL are expensive in free agency thats where they need to focus their attention first but absolutely if the WR is there he is a valid option as they do need a redzone taller(6'5+) outside receiver in the plax/marshall mould