Todd McShay On The Dan Patrick Radio Show This AM

-Todd McShay

In comment 13917315 Rocky369 said:

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-Todd McShay

Everyone misses sometimes. I'm not a McShat fanboy but I don't think him being wrong on a QB is Indica of anything.

These are not easy evaluations. You talk about "red flags" but at the same time you have four guys who, five years from now, fans could be asking 'how/why did teams pass on that guy'? Just look at all that teams invest in the evaluation process and what are the yields? Not great % wise, considering.

a few times now about Rosen needing the right place. I am thinking we see Rosen be the 4th QB off the board with Darnold, Allen and Mayfield going before him.

But I will add that Sam Darnold really does need to sit this year behind a veteran. A team who expects him to start Week 1 if he outplays or is comparable with the veteran in preseason will be sorely disappointed.

had a healthy team at 0-5 last year? A team we spend every day researching and analyzing?

The answer is 0. So when fans shit on an analyst because they misjudged a player it's just ludicrous. The NFL misses on players all the time. Happens in every draft, free, agency,etc.

Mcshay is a good listen.

That should prove that he has absolutely no idea

In comment 13917319 allstarjim said:

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Everyone misses sometimes. I'm not a McShat fanboy but I don't think him being wrong on a QB is Indica of anything.

Allow me to elaborate

Andrew Luck – 99
Matt Ryan – 98
Jameis Winston – 97
Sam Bradford – 97
Robert Griffin – 97
Mark Sanchez – 96
Matthew Stafford – 95
Blaine Gabbert – 95
Ryan Tannehill – 94
Sam Darnold – 94
Cam Newton – 93
Marcus Mariota – 93
Blake Bortles – 91
Carson Wentz – 91
Jared Goff – 91
Josh Allen – 91
Jake Locker – 90
Johnny Manziel – 90
Baker Mayfield – 90

In comment 13917380 est1986 said:

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That should prove that he has absolutely no idea

Or that nobody has an idea. It's a crapshoot

on, but didn't McShay absolutely love Weston Richburg?

it always drove me nuts with Reese when NYG pick came up and there was an obvious player(s) sitting there and he would select a head scratcher of a pick, as if he thought he were the smartest guy in the room who knew something everyone else didn't. I would not say that taking a Josh Allen, Chubb, Nelson, etc. were quite the same, but I do think there is enough of a consensus around Darnold being the top QB and Barkley being the best player, that any selection outside of Darnold/Barkley is going to feel an awful lot like one of those situations. If it comes to it, I sure as hell hope they know what they are doing. Underperforming the hack draftnicks for arguably the most important selection in franchise history, or otherwise close to it, would be just a dreadful way to start.

In comment 13917387 Eric from BBI said:

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on, but didn't McShay absolutely love Weston Richburg?

Strange example to pick out. Richburg just became one of the highest paid interior linemen in the game

nothing that they say matters or has any fact behind it. The people who are paid millions and spend millions to get the draft right rarely get the draft right. This guy has no clue whether Rosen is the next Aaron Rogers or the next Ryan Nassib. No one does. The only smart thing he said is that it depends on who drafts him and who coaches him which applies to 100% of all the QB's drafted. But not for the reason he said, but because all QB's are dependent on their teams and coaches especially when they're starting out. How do you think Dak Prescott would have done as a rookie if the Jets drafted him?

In comment 13917380 est1986 said:

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That should prove that he has absolutely no idea

I think that is his point.

And he also sucked the last two years and the Giants made it clear before FA started that they had zero interest in bringing him back.

say it will take a special coach to keep Rosen interested in being an NFL QB because he gets bored easy I will puke. What is this guy , the second coming of Albert Einstein? I know his gene pool is extraterrestrial , but give it a rest.

In comment 13917381 Rocky369 said:

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In comment 13917319 allstarjim said: Quote: Everyone misses sometimes. I'm not a McShat fanboy but I don't think him being wrong on a QB is Indica of anything. Allow me to elaborate Andrew Luck – 99 Matt Ryan – 98 Jameis Winston – 97 Sam Bradford – 97 Robert Griffin – 97 Mark Sanchez – 96 Matthew Stafford – 95 Blaine Gabbert – 95 Ryan Tannehill – 94 Sam Darnold – 94 Cam Newton – 93 Marcus Mariota – 93 Blake Bortles – 91 Carson Wentz – 91 Jared Goff – 91 Josh Allen – 91 Jake Locker – 90 Johnny Manziel – 90 Baker Mayfield – 90

Whats your point? He missed on Sam Bradford? So did the fucking NFL

more than Bradford!

Sanchez
Tannehill
Gabbert
Bortles
RGIII
Manziel

McShay and Kiper, promote themselves as authorities on evaluating the draft....when a team does not take a player either has stated should be taken, that team is roundly criticized by them.....

So when they are wrong, it should work both ways....

on the list and Winston as a 97??

I read the report as he wants to be challenged and typically challenges his coaches on the mental aspect of the game. It did not sound like he's bored and zones out.

In comment 13917387 Eric from BBI said:

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on, but didn't McShay absolutely love Weston Richburg?

So did the giants brass, who got fired for picks like this.

It's not easy. Mcshay does the best he can. His job is to introduce people like me to prospects I would otherwise not know about. Just like Sy, they'll have hits and misses.

In comment 13917407 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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more than Bradford! Sanchez Tannehill Gabbert Bortles RGIII Manziel

So did the NFL. Every one of those players were excellent in college.

Mike Shahhan is a 2x winning SB coach. He traded the farm for RG3. Everybody was wrong on the guy. All these guys you're mentinoing were taken in the first rd by NFL teams.

Everyone misses. It's part of the deal. It's why it's so hard.

what do the #s represent? That seems like an awful lot of 'elite' QB prospects.

In comment 13917402 Eric from BBI said:

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And he also sucked the last two years and the Giants made it clear before FA started that they had zero interest in bringing him back.

The giants have proven to not know what they're doing as of late. They can easily be wrong and the niners right. Or vice versa. Or in the middle.

We'll see.

In comment 13917370 QB Snacks said:

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had a healthy team at 0-5 last year? A team we spend every day researching and analyzing? The answer is 0. So when fans shit on an analyst because they misjudged a player it's just ludicrous. The NFL misses on players all the time. Happens in every draft, free, agency,etc. Mcshay is a good listen.

ok, Mrs. McShay.

ha ha. just kidding. I agree with your point (though I don't listen to and have no clue about his show).

and then his knee exploded. It doesn't mean he was never good.

was never going to be more than a system QB, and once he was injured, he had no passing skills to fall back on.

system QB's getting a 97 rating should have some actual passing skill too

In comment 13917415 QB Snacks said:

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In comment 13917407 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: more than Bradford! Sanchez Tannehill Gabbert Bortles RGIII Manziel So did the NFL. Every one of those players were excellent in college. Mike Shahhan is a 2x winning SB coach. He traded the farm for RG3. Everybody was wrong on the guy. All these guys you're mentinoing were taken in the first rd by NFL teams. Everyone misses. It's part of the deal. It's why it's so hard.

It's also why you shouldn't force a QB pick just because you have a high pick. Take the highest person available on your draft board.

Needs the right coach/org to keep him motivated and interested? Oh the delicate genius needs to be kept interested! To engage his brilliant mind.

I hate how snowflakes have even crept into athletics

If that baloney is the only reason that people think Darnold is a better player, then fine, they can all have him and I'll take Rosen. Because from what I saw of Darnold (granted limited) I was not overly impressed.

In comment 13917442 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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was never going to be more than a system QB, and once he was injured, he had no passing skills to fall back on. system QB's getting a 97 rating should have some actual passing skill too

Probably a bit strong on exaggeration. Guys with no passing skill don't do what he did at this level. And who's to say he was never going to be anything? You don't know what would've been if he had years to develop.

In comment 13917407 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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more than Bradford! Sanchez Tannehill Gabbert Bortles RGIII Manziel

Now not saying they are or would have been good - but you wonder if their progressions was stopped or alted due to the team/coaches they played for. Maybe Tannehill could have flourished under a guy like Kyle Shanahan. Maybe Sanchez could have been a better pro if drafted by an offensive guy instead of Rex Ryan.

Now some guys will always bust - but I think there are times where guys have talent and are jut in a no win situation.

about all of these guys, but damn, the Rosen "attitude" stuff is riduculous. If anything he seems to me from the things he's quoted as saying to be more intelligent and level headed than the average player.

In comment 13917415 QB Snacks said:

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In comment 13917407 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: more than Bradford! Sanchez Tannehill Gabbert Bortles RGIII Manziel So did the NFL. Every one of those players were excellent in college. Mike Shahhan is a 2x winning SB coach. He traded the farm for RG3. Everybody was wrong on the guy. All these guys you're mentinoing were taken in the first rd by NFL teams. Everyone misses. It's part of the deal. It's why it's so hard.

If you believed Shanahan supporters, he did not support the Griffin trade.

for all of this to be over.

It's like a lot of you people treat these draft prospects like they are your brother or something and get personally insulted when someone says anything negative about a guy.

I think the Giants should take Darnold but you can't say he doesn't have warts. It's also ridiculous to talk about how these guys will pan out in a vacuum.

So much of their success will be determined by which organization and coaching staff a player winds up with. For example, it's going to be infinitely harder to be a great success as a QB on the Jets than it will be on the Giants. It's just how it is. The franchises are different, the patience level is different, the fans are different, the expectations are different etc.

In comment 13917502 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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for all of this to be over. It's like a lot of you people treat these draft prospects like they are your brother or something and get personally insulted when someone says anything negative about a guy. I think the Giants should take Darnold but you can't say he doesn't have warts. It's also ridiculous to talk about how these guys will pan out in a vacuum. So much of their success will be determined by which organization and coaching staff a player winds up with. For example, it's going to be infinitely harder to be a great success as a QB on the Jets than it will be on the Giants. It's just how it is. The franchises are different, the patience level is different, the fans are different, the expectations are different etc.

Posts that include "you people" are always a good approach.

In comment 13917455 fanofthejets said:

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Needs the right coach/org to keep him motivated and interested? Oh the delicate genius needs to be kept interested! To engage his brilliant mind. I hate how snowflakes have even crept into athletics

Ironically, I hate how Jets fans have even crept into BBI.

In comment 13917502 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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for all of this to be over. It's like a lot of you people treat these draft prospects like they are your brother or something and get personally insulted when someone says anything negative about a guy. I think the Giants should take Darnold but you can't say he doesn't have warts. It's also ridiculous to talk about how these guys will pan out in a vacuum. So much of their success will be determined by which organization and coaching staff a player winds up with. For example, it's going to be infinitely harder to be a great success as a QB on the Jets than it will be on the Giants. It's just how it is. The franchises are different, the patience level is different, the fans are different, the expectations are different etc.

In comment 13917413 QB Snacks said:

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In comment 13917387 Eric from BBI said: Quote: on, but didn't McShay absolutely love Weston Richburg? So did the giants brass, who got fired for picks like this. It's not easy. Mcshay does the best he can. His job is to introduce people like me to prospects I would otherwise not know about. Just like Sy, they'll have hits and misses.

Through the draft and through his first year, was there anyone *here* who did not love Weston Richburg?

I know that I did.

In comment 13917410 aimrocky said:

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I read the report as he wants to be challenged and typically challenges his coaches on the mental aspect of the game. It did not sound like he's bored and zones out.

It's an urban legend, or a SoCal version of an urban legend. Where are Mythbusters when you need them? I wonder if any of the thumbsuckers who buy into this narrative have ever talked to the kid.

In comment 13917474 Victor in CT said:

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about all of these guys, but damn, the Rosen "attitude" stuff is riduculous. If anything he seems to me from the things he's quoted as saying to be more intelligent and level headed than the average player.

+1.

Prior to playing in the NFL how can anyone truly know which evaluation to trust. Hell, Eli has won two SBs, passed for tens of thousands of yards and played 14 years and people, including me, still legitimately debate his QB value.

In comment 13917417 QB Snacks said:

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In comment 13917402 Eric from BBI said: Quote: And he also sucked the last two years and the Giants made it clear before FA started that they had zero interest in bringing him back. The giants have proven to not know what they're doing as of late. They can easily be wrong and the niners right. Or vice versa. Or in the middle. We'll see.

Not as of late As of up to the day Reese/Ross were fired! DG has done nothing but improve this team w/the limited resources he had!