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My preference for future NYG quarterback.

Beezer : 4/17/2018 2:19 pm
After watching too many online videos, reading too many articles, reports, rankings, stats, lists, "expert" opinions and opinions of "respected" BBI posters, this guy gets my vote. I admit I still know next to nothing, as far as what the Giants will do in the draft. But I've stayed away from QB opinions and chatter until now.

If I had to pick one of the guys currently attending college classes, I think my choice is Josh Allen (if available at #2). The guy I'd steer away from most (of the top college prospects) might be Josh Rosen.

However, I believe that while all the young prospects are on a slightly sliding scale and are all solid potential to have at least decent pro careers, my ultimate choice has everything we want.

1) an edge, with something to prove - a trait that seems ingrained from his earliest football years when he was a backup in 7th (B team) and 8th grade (C team)

2) leadership abilities and clear drive

3) a desire to be a great teammate, combined with his great work ethic

I think my choice is a healthy combination of Phil Simms and Eli Manning. Team first, prep guy, getting in there and lifting with his O-linemen.

"It's just my passion (football) ... I'm an addict."

Next week, give me Barkley at #2, the best OL or DL at #34, and give me this gym rat every day as the New York Football Giants' QB of the future.

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IMO, Allen's not accurate enough to start in the nfl.  
Ira : 4/17/2018 2:21 pm : link
At best, he'll end up being a backup.
RE: IMO, Allen's not accurate enough to start in the nfl.  
djstat : 4/17/2018 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13917642 Ira said:
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At best, he'll end up being a backup.
Agreed.
I think Allen's big enough and strong enough  
Beezer : 4/17/2018 2:24 pm : link
that, like Ben, his gun will make up for other potential deficiencies.
This thread  
JonC : 4/17/2018 2:24 pm : link
needs some Keith!
Well, Greg Cosell thinks Josh Rosen is the best of the lot,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/17/2018 2:26 pm : link
Which is good enough for me. :)

I’m a huge GC follower and fan
It's Either Barkley  
clatterbuck : 4/17/2018 2:26 pm : link
or a QB with second pick. Can't get both.
You  
Jon in NYC : 4/17/2018 2:27 pm : link
can be a great leader with great drive and work ethic, and have so-so arm talent. That's my concern with Davis Webb.
Webb was beaten out by Mahomes, who I think we'd all agree  
Beezer : 4/17/2018 2:27 pm : link
is going to be terrific in the NFL. (We'll find out soon enough.) Webb then went on to do more great things at Cal.

Adversity. The biggest motivator.

I think the fact that so many people overlook Webb serves as a fire-starter for him.

I hope I get the chance to be right, and to watch him play QB for the NYG for a decade. I think he's a keeper, and exactly the fit that we want, even if some of us are more attracted to shinier things right now.
RE: This thread  
Beezer : 4/17/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13917649 JonC said:
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needs some Keith!


Don't they all.
I agree w this post  
Pep22 : 4/17/2018 2:32 pm : link
I also think that Allen will gain from top notch coaching and receiving weapons that the NYG possess.

I also think that many big arm QBs have failed because of low intellect or work ethic or stubborness (see Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Mallett...even Jay Cutler). Having a huge arm has almost turned into a negative in terms of perception of success likelihood.
RE: IMO, Allen's not accurate enough to start in the nfl.  
chuckydee9 : 4/17/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13917642 Ira said:
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At best, he'll end up being a backup.


Not only is he inaccurate, he isn't able to process the play and find the right wr in time.. he also isn't able to read the Dline and where the pressure is coming from.. there is nothing about this kid that will make him a good QB unless he falls into a situation where he can learn this at NFL level.. which will take 2-3 years at least and no team picking in the top 10 can afford him such time in practice and attention from coaches..

If I have a desperate need at QB  
Pep22 : 4/17/2018 2:40 pm : link
and have the opportunity to select a very humble, hard working kid that is somewhat raw but showed good progress when coached at the Sr Bowl...and is the biggest, most athletic, smartest QB in the draft and possesses the best arm in a decade, I take him.
RE: Well, Greg Cosell thinks Josh Rosen is the best of the lot,  
GiantsAlwaysAndForever : 4/17/2018 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13917650 Big Blue '56 said:
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Which is good enough for me. :)

I’m a huge GC follower and fan


BB'56 - you should check out Cosell's review of Allen -- not pretty. Talks specifically about how Allen has arm strength but lacks "arm talent" and talks about why those are two diff things.

The media has made Allen into a possibility as a Top-5 pick, but all analysts (like Cosell) that I trust don't even see him as a first rounder. It amazes me that so many "prefer" him on here.

Also discusses Allen's "slow eyes" here https://twitter.com/BrownsMockDraft/status/985920013235249152
RE: If I have a desperate need at QB  
GiantsAlwaysAndForever : 4/17/2018 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13917674 Pep22 said:
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and have the opportunity to select a very humble, hard working kid that is somewhat raw but showed good progress when coached at the Sr Bowl...and is the biggest, most athletic, smartest QB in the draft and possesses the best arm in a decade, I take him.


The problem is -- these traits rarely translate. They look fun, they have the most upside, but that upside is rarely realized.

Mental processing, accuracy, anticipation passing, rhythm, fast eyes, footowork, mechanics are all more important and translatable traits.
RE: Webb was beaten out by Mahomes, who I think we'd all agree  
section125 : 4/17/2018 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13917655 Beezer said:
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is going to be terrific in the NFL. (We'll find out soon enough.) Webb then went on to do more great things at Cal.


I don't think Mahomes is going to be terrific, so take me off the all list. He may be Andy Reid terrific because Reid makes any QB good. I just do not see Mahomes...
RE: RE: Webb was beaten out by Mahomes, who I think we'd all agree  
Pep22 : 4/17/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13917705 section125 said:
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In comment 13917655 Beezer said:


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is going to be terrific in the NFL. (We'll find out soon enough.) Webb then went on to do more great things at Cal.




I don't think Mahomes is going to be terrific, so take me off the all list. He may be Andy Reid terrific because Reid makes any QB good. I just do not see Mahomes...


this is what I was referring earlier...its almost like football fans are now trained to think that the more physically gifted, the less attractive the prospect
Allen is intriguing  
micky : 4/17/2018 4:01 pm : link
but, still uncertain as the one or two in this class that'll turn out to be franchise qb type.

If I had to pick of the lot..Darnold and Rosen as the two with Rosen a higher risk though
Rosen at #2  
Csonka : 4/17/2018 4:20 pm : link
Doesn't matter if Rosen is the best. I just don't take a guy #2 that I'm going to worry about getting hit every time.

Eli gets up. Too many times Rosen hasn't. Not his fault. But if he gets concussed early in his career, people will instantly start asking how long he can keep doing this.
I've grown skittish of this QB class,  
NorwoodWideRight : 4/17/2018 4:20 pm : link
if for the only reason that every analyst has a different favorite. It's nuts. I don't recall seeing anything like this before, even in 2004.
What if I told you  
jlukes : 4/17/2018 4:21 pm : link
Josh Allen was in a frat...


... and thinks Prince was overrated
My eyes are on Clemson freshman QB Trevor Lawrence  
Anakim : 4/17/2018 4:24 pm : link
and Georgia freshman QB Justin Fields
Norwood there is truth to what you're saying  
Chris684 : 4/17/2018 4:26 pm : link
and it scares me too.

You ask 5 different people and you'll likely get 5 different opinions.
Not sure if I really get the point.  
Keith : 4/17/2018 4:26 pm : link
Can you share any stories about your life that would help me understand more clearly?
RE: Not sure if I really get the point.  
Beezer : 4/17/2018 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13917801 Keith said:
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Can you share any stories about your life that would help me understand more clearly?


No. You've had enough this week. Soon, though. Bank on it.
RE: RE: IMO, Allen's not accurate enough to start in the nfl.  
FStubbs : 4/17/2018 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13917670 chuckydee9 said:
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At best, he'll end up being a backup.



Not only is he inaccurate, he isn't able to process the play and find the right wr in time.. he also isn't able to read the Dline and where the pressure is coming from.. there is nothing about this kid that will make him a good QB unless he falls into a situation where he can learn this at NFL level.. which will take 2-3 years at least and no team picking in the top 10 can afford him such time in practice and attention from coaches..


He'd have 2 years on the Giants to sit and learn but there are better prospects to be had.
The one take I can't take (as in stand)  
Essex : 4/17/2018 4:41 pm : link
is well let's bet the QB future on Davis Webb. I can understand if the Giants have that perspective, they at least have seen him for a year. I have no idea how any poster can have that perspective, given his limited college career and he hasn't played a freaking down yet.
Same way tat you can be that amped  
Beezer : 4/17/2018 4:49 pm : link
about something in a different direction. Pure speculation and hope. In other words, a whole lotta sound and fury.
RE: RE: RE: IMO, Allen's not accurate enough to start in the nfl.  
Pep22 : 4/17/2018 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13917814 FStubbs said:
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In comment 13917642 Ira said:


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At best, he'll end up being a backup.



Not only is he inaccurate, he isn't able to process the play and find the right wr in time.. he also isn't able to read the Dline and where the pressure is coming from.. there is nothing about this kid that will make him a good QB unless he falls into a situation where he can learn this at NFL level.. which will take 2-3 years at least and no team picking in the top 10 can afford him such time in practice and attention from coaches..




He'd have 2 years on the Giants to sit and learn but there are better prospects to be had.


A big NO THANKS on Eli for 2 years. Geez, how bad do you want it to get??
RE: Webb was beaten out by Mahomes, who I think we'd all agree  
ThatLimerickGuy : 4/17/2018 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13917655 Beezer said:
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is going to be terrific in the NFL. (We'll find out soon enough.) Webb then went on to do more great things at Cal.

Adversity. The biggest motivator.

I think the fact that so many people overlook Webb serves as a fire-starter for him.

I hope I get the chance to be right, and to watch him play QB for the NYG for a decade. I think he's a keeper, and exactly the fit that we want, even if some of us are more attracted to shinier things right now.


No Webb was not beat out by Mahomes...SMH....this is maybe the 5th time I've seen this blatantly false statement here.

Webb suffered a season ending injury and Mahomes, a younger player came in and played very well. In NCAA football you go with the younger guy to grow and develop over the 5th year senior coming off of injury.

So Webb transferred to Cal, and had a great year taking over for Goff in the same offense. Pretty close numbers actually.

I'm on record that Darnold is the big 2018 get but other than him Webb is better as a potential prospect than any of the other 4 potential first rounders PLUS he has a year of NFL coaching and experience behind him.

Webb is going to be great. If the Giants take Sam, it will probably be for another team.
TLG  
dep026 : 4/17/2018 9:11 pm : link
Webb was absolutely beat out to start his junior year. There’s no way a coach is placing a better junior in the bench for a sophomore. No way, no how. Webb was beaten out by mayfield to start their freshman years. And Webb’s senior year at cal wasn’t impressive when you consider his completion % and you for an air raid offense.

Can he be good? Sure. But he isn’t in the same class as these QBs and there’s isn’t one report that backs up your claim.
I see a lot of similarity  
mrvax : 4/17/2018 9:21 pm : link
between Webb and Allen.
I still believe that a trade down to #6 or 7 is possible.  
manh george : 4/17/2018 10:03 pm : link
If they don't love the qbs but expect 3 or 4 to go high, they can get considerable in extra picks--which Gettleman loves to have, as Schwartz has described--and still either get a qb who falls, or a really talented player at another spot. I don't watch much college FB, but I believe the draftnicks who see 5-7 super-talented non-qbs floating around, from Barklay to Chubb to Nelson to Denzel Ward to Edmunds to Fitzpatrick.
Maybe its Kief that is needed  
Bluesbreaker : 4/17/2018 10:09 pm : link
RE: This thread
Beezer : 2:28 pm : link : reply
In comment 13917649 JonC said:
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needs some Keith!


Don't they all.

I look at it this way if the Giants have one QB in mind and the Browns take him then it's on the phones to see if there is a worthy trade offer if not its Barkley .
Browns will most certainly take the QB they want with #1 knowing they have plenty of picks to keep rebuilding and
likely to take Chub at #4
Best case scenario if we are not going QB would be a trade down that nets us either the 4th and the 22nd and
we still get Barkley and take the BPA at 22 .
If they stay and go QB so be it I trust there thinking but my heart wants Barkley
Allen is the one I wouldn't even think of taking  
giantstock : 4/18/2018 8:05 am : link
Especially not at 2. He has a lot of bust written all over him. HE could be someday great but imo not worth it for a number 2 overall.
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