After watching too many online videos, reading too many articles, reports, rankings, stats, lists, "expert" opinions and opinions of "respected" BBI posters, this guy gets my vote. I admit I still know next to nothing, as far as what the Giants will do in the draft. But I've stayed away from QB opinions and chatter until now.
If I had to pick one of the guys currently attending college classes, I think my choice is Josh Allen (if available at #2). The guy I'd steer away from most (of the top college prospects) might be Josh Rosen.
However, I believe that while all the young prospects are on a slightly sliding scale and are all solid potential to have at least decent pro careers, my ultimate choice has everything we want.
1) an edge, with something to prove - a trait that seems ingrained from his earliest football years when he was a backup in 7th (B team) and 8th grade (C team)
2) leadership abilities and clear drive
3) a desire to be a great teammate, combined with his great work ethic
I think my choice is a healthy combination of Phil Simms and Eli Manning. Team first, prep guy, getting in there and lifting with his O-linemen.
"It's just my passion (football) ... I'm an addict."
Next week, give me Barkley at #2, the best OL or DL at #34, and give me this gym rat every day as the New York Football Giants' QB of the future.
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Adversity. The biggest motivator.
I think the fact that so many people overlook Webb serves as a fire-starter for him.
I hope I get the chance to be right, and to watch him play QB for the NYG for a decade. I think he's a keeper, and exactly the fit that we want, even if some of us are more attracted to shinier things right now.
Don't they all.
I also think that many big arm QBs have failed because of low intellect or work ethic or stubborness (see Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Mallett...even Jay Cutler). Having a huge arm has almost turned into a negative in terms of perception of success likelihood.
Not only is he inaccurate, he isn't able to process the play and find the right wr in time.. he also isn't able to read the Dline and where the pressure is coming from.. there is nothing about this kid that will make him a good QB unless he falls into a situation where he can learn this at NFL level.. which will take 2-3 years at least and no team picking in the top 10 can afford him such time in practice and attention from coaches..
I’m a huge GC follower and fan
BB'56 - you should check out Cosell's review of Allen -- not pretty. Talks specifically about how Allen has arm strength but lacks "arm talent" and talks about why those are two diff things.
The media has made Allen into a possibility as a Top-5 pick, but all analysts (like Cosell) that I trust don't even see him as a first rounder. It amazes me that so many "prefer" him on here.
Also discusses Allen's "slow eyes" here https://twitter.com/BrownsMockDraft/status/985920013235249152
The problem is -- these traits rarely translate. They look fun, they have the most upside, but that upside is rarely realized.
Mental processing, accuracy, anticipation passing, rhythm, fast eyes, footowork, mechanics are all more important and translatable traits.
I don't think Mahomes is going to be terrific, so take me off the all list. He may be Andy Reid terrific because Reid makes any QB good. I just do not see Mahomes...
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is going to be terrific in the NFL. (We'll find out soon enough.) Webb then went on to do more great things at Cal.
I don't think Mahomes is going to be terrific, so take me off the all list. He may be Andy Reid terrific because Reid makes any QB good. I just do not see Mahomes...
this is what I was referring earlier...its almost like football fans are now trained to think that the more physically gifted, the less attractive the prospect
If I had to pick of the lot..Darnold and Rosen as the two with Rosen a higher risk though
Eli gets up. Too many times Rosen hasn't. Not his fault. But if he gets concussed early in his career, people will instantly start asking how long he can keep doing this.
... and thinks Prince was overrated
You ask 5 different people and you'll likely get 5 different opinions.
No. You've had enough this week. Soon, though. Bank on it.
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At best, he'll end up being a backup.
Not only is he inaccurate, he isn't able to process the play and find the right wr in time.. he also isn't able to read the Dline and where the pressure is coming from.. there is nothing about this kid that will make him a good QB unless he falls into a situation where he can learn this at NFL level.. which will take 2-3 years at least and no team picking in the top 10 can afford him such time in practice and attention from coaches..
He'd have 2 years on the Giants to sit and learn but there are better prospects to be had.
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In comment 13917642 Ira said:
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At best, he'll end up being a backup.
Not only is he inaccurate, he isn't able to process the play and find the right wr in time.. he also isn't able to read the Dline and where the pressure is coming from.. there is nothing about this kid that will make him a good QB unless he falls into a situation where he can learn this at NFL level.. which will take 2-3 years at least and no team picking in the top 10 can afford him such time in practice and attention from coaches..
He'd have 2 years on the Giants to sit and learn but there are better prospects to be had.
A big NO THANKS on Eli for 2 years. Geez, how bad do you want it to get??
Adversity. The biggest motivator.
I think the fact that so many people overlook Webb serves as a fire-starter for him.
I hope I get the chance to be right, and to watch him play QB for the NYG for a decade. I think he's a keeper, and exactly the fit that we want, even if some of us are more attracted to shinier things right now.
No Webb was not beat out by Mahomes...SMH....this is maybe the 5th time I've seen this blatantly false statement here.
Webb suffered a season ending injury and Mahomes, a younger player came in and played very well. In NCAA football you go with the younger guy to grow and develop over the 5th year senior coming off of injury.
So Webb transferred to Cal, and had a great year taking over for Goff in the same offense. Pretty close numbers actually.
I'm on record that Darnold is the big 2018 get but other than him Webb is better as a potential prospect than any of the other 4 potential first rounders PLUS he has a year of NFL coaching and experience behind him.
Webb is going to be great. If the Giants take Sam, it will probably be for another team.
Can he be good? Sure. But he isn’t in the same class as these QBs and there’s isn’t one report that backs up your claim.
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needs some Keith!
Don't they all.
I look at it this way if the Giants have one QB in mind and the Browns take him then it's on the phones to see if there is a worthy trade offer if not its Barkley .
Browns will most certainly take the QB they want with #1 knowing they have plenty of picks to keep rebuilding and
likely to take Chub at #4
Best case scenario if we are not going QB would be a trade down that nets us either the 4th and the 22nd and
we still get Barkley and take the BPA at 22 .
If they stay and go QB so be it I trust there thinking but my heart wants Barkley