Fizdale runs a perimeter offense he does not run his offense through the post maybe Gasol botched about not getting the ball enough?
I'm sure this was the main reason. Gasol won 50+ games for seasons with other head coaches where the offense ran through the post and at the elbow. Now a second year head coach has him running the floor looking for 3 point shots. Gasol and the team didn't buy into it.
However, I think Fizdale is overhyped because of his "Take that for data" rant at the end of Game 1 last year against the Spurs.
interviewing anywhere besides the Knicks? Of course not. He got fired off a 50+ win season, hasn't sniffed a job since, and the only job he's ever linked to is New York, because he's a "New York guy." I really don't think he'll ever coach in the NBA again unless we hire him.
He said "I'm praying for" Collins? Big deal. Revered NBA players have said far worse on the court.
I posted a link or two on other knicks threads about jackson’s antics throughout his nba career, notably his HC stint in GS. If half of the shit said is true he’s never going to coach again and he shouldn’t. The guy is crazier than a shit house rat. Last year I wanted him here too. After reading up on him a bit....No way.
The guy was passed around more than an std. he played for what... 10 teams? The guy could play yet never stayed anywhere for very long. He won at gs yet was fired and hasn’t sniffed a job since. Ask yourself why?
The whole Mark Jackson religion storyline seems to be a bit dramatic.
In any event, the guy is a good basketball coach, with a better record and more success than the other guys they're interested in.
Why is it impossible to believe Jackson may be sorry about his time in GS or changed?
Or is it just cooler these days to cast him off as a "bible thumping lunatic"?
The guy was supposedly all about church, made it a point to have a team bus to go to services with players, and then got busted with a hooker. He's a fraud, players don't work for guys like that.
Hire Fizdale. Kawhi wants out or George isn’t staying st OKC. Offer thunder or spurs hardaway and Mudiay or baker expiring and unprotected 19 pick. Kanter oquinn opts out. Knicks have cap space (probably have to stretch Noah although May make sense to keep him for one more year with KO hurt). Go get LBJ. LBJ wants to win championships. It makes no sense to go to west unless he goes to Houston. So that leaves Knicks or Sixers. Let Porizingis take his time coming back. LBJ, George, KP core with Frank, 2018 lottery pick, Burke, Lee, Dotson, mid level exception for a vet big man looks just as good to me as Phili and a better fit for LBJ because his game is too similar to Ben Simmons. LBJ would come to NY if there was a good enough team. Imagine they take bridges from Nova, imagine a small ball line up of:
PG - Frank
SG - George/Kawhi
SF - Bridges
PF - LBJ
C - Porzingis
Defensively - as good if not better than Golden State
Offensively - LBJ runs the point and feeds any of those guys for open looks
If it costs a protected 2021 pick as well to get kawhi or George knowing that LBJ would come then you do wha it takes
Hire Fizdale. Kawhi wants out or George isn’t staying st OKC. Offer thunder or spurs hardaway and Mudiay or baker expiring and unprotected 19 pick. Kanter oquinn opts out. Knicks have cap space (probably have to stretch Noah although May make sense to keep him for one more year with KO hurt). Go get LBJ. LBJ wants to win championships. It makes no sense to go to west unless he goes to Houston. So that leaves Knicks or Sixers. Let Porizingis take his time coming back. LBJ, George, KP core with Frank, 2018 lottery pick, Burke, Lee, Dotson, mid level exception for a vet big man looks just as good to me as Phili and a better fit for LBJ because his game is too similar to Ben Simmons. LBJ would come to NY if there was a good enough team. Imagine they take bridges from Nova, imagine a small ball line up of:
PG - Frank
SG - George/Kawhi
SF - Bridges
PF - LBJ
C - Porzingis
Defensively - as good if not better than Golden State
Offensively - LBJ runs the point and feeds any of those guys for open looks
If it costs a protected 2021 pick as well to get kawhi or George knowing that LBJ would come then you do wha it takes
lol how high are you right now?
Jon, did you miss the part where he said it was simple? Â
but I think Lebron and Simmons could work really well together. Not sure how you would defend a LBJ/BS PnR. You sag off you give either of them a runway to build momentum and get an easy finish at the rim.
but I think Lebron and Simmons could work really well together. Not sure how you would defend a LBJ/BS PnR. You sag off you give either of them a runway to build momentum and get an easy finish at the rim.
Both need the ball in their hands, neither are consistent outside shooters..
For simmons to take the next step he needs to learn how to shoot, lebron learned to shoot adequate enough to the point where you can say but simmons cant shoot for shit
Do you guys pay attention to recent trades? When knicks make that trade offer it’s before free agency so spurs would have no idea Lebron is going to sign. So the 20119 pick with an injured KP could be considered a lottery pick plus a 2021 pick what else could spurs being expecting to get of the player demands a trade. If it takes the 2018 pick instead of 2019 then so be it. But the days of getting 3 lottery picks for a star are over. Look at the cousins trade from Sacramento. What do you think the Knicks would have to offer kawhi or Paul George? 2 first round picks and a young average shooting guard who may haveroom to grow is not a bad deal.
but I think Lebron and Simmons could work really well together. Not sure how you would defend a LBJ/BS PnR. You sag off you give either of them a runway to build momentum and get an easy finish at the rim.
Both need the ball in their hands, neither are consistent outside shooters..
For simmons to take the next step he needs to learn how to shoot, lebron learned to shoot adequate enough to the point where you can say but simmons cant shoot for shit
Embiid being a shooting threat allows for Philly to get away with Simmons to get away with a lack of a jumper. Surely a jumper would allow Simmons to elevate to insane levels, but I think Lebron would be able to make it work with Simmons.
Simmons likely won't be posting as many triple doubles should Lebron go to Philly, but he could play the Nance/TT roll man except on steroids and HGH. Jumper or no jumper I don't know how to successfully defend that. So far spacing hasn't really been a concern for Simmons.
Do you guys pay attention to recent trades? When knicks make that trade offer it’s before free agency so spurs would have no idea Lebron is going to sign. So the 20119 pick with an injured KP could be considered a lottery pick plus a 2021 pick what else could spurs being expecting to get of the player demands a trade. If it takes the 2018 pick instead of 2019 then so be it. But the days of getting 3 lottery picks for a star are over. Look at the cousins trade from Sacramento. What do you think the Knicks would have to offer kawhi or Paul George? 2 first round picks and a young average shooting guard who may haveroom to grow is not a bad deal.
Then let me know what the Knicks would have to pay for kawhi or George. You guys are all just so negative as I have been in the past, but the Knicks have the pieces in place to make a move, now if everyone would have just listened to me about Donovan Mitchell we would be in better shape. If Knicks have the opportunity to trade for a young star you have to make that move. I am not talking about a 32 year old star, someone like George or kawhi for the description. It only makes sense if Kanter opts out. If he doesn’t you stay put and play for 19 free agency and pray that KP doesn’t require extension now. If you can get a trade done this year and sign a start then you can go over cap to sign KP
You are full of it Mitchell was my number 1 guy and people who despise me on my knicks posts can back me up because I was so annoying about it. I was never that high in monk or Smith because of their defensive liabilities and tweener positions, you can doubt me on my trade idea but there is no way you can doubt my love and defense for drafting Donovan Mitchell.
Then let me know what the Knicks would have to pay for kawhi or George. You guys are all just so negative as I have been in the past, but the Knicks have the pieces in place to make a move, now if everyone would have just listened to me about Donovan Mitchell we would be in better shape. If Knicks have the opportunity to trade for a young star you have to make that move. I am not talking about a 32 year old star, someone like George or kawhi for the description. It only makes sense if Kanter opts out. If he doesn’t you stay put and play for 19 free agency and pray that KP doesn’t require extension now. If you can get a trade done this year and sign a start then you can go over cap to sign KP
My favorite player was Donovan Mitchell as well...that doesn't make what you're saying any more realistic.
You brought up Demarcus Cousins as an expiring deal more or less as an equivalent to Kawhi Leonard, a Finals MVP. They aren't in the same realm.
And it took essentially 2 lottery picks to get Cousins still, Hield (#7 overall I believe). At a minimum I would think it would require Frank, the pick this year and another unprotected pick.
If the price for Kawhi is as low as you are making it out to be, there will be at least 15 teams that could blow the offer out of the water.
To be interviewing Jackson and Woodson. No other team is considering those 2. I don’t think either of them had gotten interviews since they were fired.
Jackson has a ton of baggage but to me the most damning one is refusal to hire top assistants. He was constantly worried about them taking his job. That is an awful trait to have in a head coach.
Why aren’t they interviewing Bud, Clifford, Messina, Borrego, Williams etc? I’d be okay with Stack or Blatt but I wish they were looking at more.
And please stop with the Lebron and Kawhi talk. Zero chance.
Secondly maybe they are not interviewing bud because they dont want to have to give them picks...
Honestly because I don't view them as strong candidates. I can't think of a direct parallel, but wouldn't you be concerned if the Giants interviewed 2 coaches no other teams had any interest in?
The baggage with Jackson is really bad. And they just fired Woodson 3 seasons ago.
As for Bud- maybe thats true. But it doesn't sound like Atlanta wants compensation. And your telling me its okay to give up compensation for Scott Perry but not Coach Bud?
It's also frustating they aren't looking at Clifford, Messina, Van Gundy or other outside the box candidates.
He got fired off of 37 wins and that was with the Melo-led quitjob included. They haven't won 37 since. I wouldn't hire him back because that's ridiculous, but he wasn't the worst coach on Earth as BBI would try to convince some people.
They need someone who's a TOP offensive mind as head coach. This game is going completely towards drive/kick/finish/three point shooting. Did they even think about the European guy on the Spurs... Ettore Messina?????
RE: Woodson won 72 of 106 games as Knicks coach between 2011 & 2013. Â
This game is going completely towards drive/kick/finish/three point shooting.
Which is the main non-Knicks-are-embarrassing reason why I'm less interested in the NBA than ever, because it's boring as hell, but that's a different argument.
Then let me know what the Knicks would have to pay for kawhi or George. You guys are all just so negative as I have been in the past, but the Knicks have the pieces in place to make a move, now if everyone would have just listened to me about Donovan Mitchell we would be in better shape. If Knicks have the opportunity to trade for a young star you have to make that move. I am not talking about a 32 year old star, someone like George or kawhi for the description. It only makes sense if Kanter opts out. If he doesn’t you stay put and play for 19 free agency and pray that KP doesn’t require extension now. If you can get a trade done this year and sign a start then you can go over cap to sign KP
Wait....this guy is STILL pounding his chest about Mitchell? FFS man, we just went through an entire season, it’s time to let it go.
RE: RE: Woodson won 72 of 106 games as Knicks coach between 2011 & 2013. Â
Which is the main non-Knicks-are-embarrassing reason why I'm less interested in the NBA than ever, because it's boring as hell, but that's a different argument.
It is what it is. If a team has anyone beneath Shaq (which is 99.9% of the big men who've played), it's not even worth playing that way now. Even Embiid and Jokic have to hit threes and The Brow is shooting long jumpers. I LOVE Marvin Bagley and I'm not even sure how good he can be in today's game.
Misworded that. I meant and outside the box coaches. College guys, top assistants etc.
And I would want Van Gundy because he’s a good coach and basketball mind.
Outside of Stack, I’m just unimpressed with the target list. And I looked Woody as a coach but that last year really revealed a lot of his flaws. It just seems like it’s same old Knicks.
In any event, the guy is a good basketball coach, with a better record and more success than the other guys they're interested in.
Why is it impossible to believe Jackson may be sorry about his time in GS or changed?
Or is it just cooler these days to cast him off as a "bible thumping lunatic"?
Why has he not gotten any consideration since being fired?
And if he was such a good basketball coach why was he fired in the first place?
My god, what have I done?
Same as it ever was.. - ( New Window )
I'm sure this was the main reason. Gasol won 50+ games for seasons with other head coaches where the offense ran through the post and at the elbow. Now a second year head coach has him running the floor looking for 3 point shots. Gasol and the team didn't buy into it.
However, I think Fizdale is overhyped because of his "Take that for data" rant at the end of Game 1 last year against the Spurs.
In any event, the guy is a good basketball coach, with a better record and more success than the other guys they're interested in.
Why is it impossible to believe Jackson may be sorry about his time in GS or changed?
Or is it just cooler these days to cast him off as a "bible thumping lunatic"?
apparently he hasn't had a single head coaching interview since he was fired THREE years ago. That's not a good sign.
He said "I'm praying for" Collins? Big deal. Revered NBA players have said far worse on the court.
I posted a link or two on other knicks threads about jackson’s antics throughout his nba career, notably his HC stint in GS. If half of the shit said is true he’s never going to coach again and he shouldn’t. The guy is crazier than a shit house rat. Last year I wanted him here too. After reading up on him a bit....No way.
In any event, the guy is a good basketball coach, with a better record and more success than the other guys they're interested in.
Why is it impossible to believe Jackson may be sorry about his time in GS or changed?
Or is it just cooler these days to cast him off as a "bible thumping lunatic"?
The guy was supposedly all about church, made it a point to have a team bus to go to services with players, and then got busted with a hooker. He's a fraud, players don't work for guys like that.
No
PG - Frank
SG - George/Kawhi
SF - Bridges
PF - LBJ
C - Porzingis
Defensively - as good if not better than Golden State
Offensively - LBJ runs the point and feeds any of those guys for open looks
If it costs a protected 2021 pick as well to get kawhi or George knowing that LBJ would come then you do wha it takes
Lebron isn't coming to NY
PG - Frank
SG - George/Kawhi
SF - Bridges
PF - LBJ
C - Porzingis
Defensively - as good if not better than Golden State
Offensively - LBJ runs the point and feeds any of those guys for open looks
If it costs a protected 2021 pick as well to get kawhi or George knowing that LBJ would come then you do wha it takes
lol how high are you right now?
hahah
Both need the ball in their hands, neither are consistent outside shooters..
For simmons to take the next step he needs to learn how to shoot, lebron learned to shoot adequate enough to the point where you can say but simmons cant shoot for shit
Kyrie is a great shooter so he could spot up when the ball was not in his hands..
I am sure they could make it work but I have said this if the Sixers want to add a 3rd star to after klay, he would be the perfect fit
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but I think Lebron and Simmons could work really well together. Not sure how you would defend a LBJ/BS PnR. You sag off you give either of them a runway to build momentum and get an easy finish at the rim.
Both need the ball in their hands, neither are consistent outside shooters..
For simmons to take the next step he needs to learn how to shoot, lebron learned to shoot adequate enough to the point where you can say but simmons cant shoot for shit
Embiid being a shooting threat allows for Philly to get away with Simmons to get away with a lack of a jumper. Surely a jumper would allow Simmons to elevate to insane levels, but I think Lebron would be able to make it work with Simmons.
Simmons likely won't be posting as many triple doubles should Lebron go to Philly, but he could play the Nance/TT roll man except on steroids and HGH. Jumper or no jumper I don't know how to successfully defend that. So far spacing hasn't really been a concern for Simmons.
Just....incorrect
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Only if all the other candidates are comatose or dead.
My favorite player was Donovan Mitchell as well...that doesn't make what you're saying any more realistic.
You brought up Demarcus Cousins as an expiring deal more or less as an equivalent to Kawhi Leonard, a Finals MVP. They aren't in the same realm.
And it took essentially 2 lottery picks to get Cousins still, Hield (#7 overall I believe). At a minimum I would think it would require Frank, the pick this year and another unprotected pick.
If the price for Kawhi is as low as you are making it out to be, there will be at least 15 teams that could blow the offer out of the water.
Jackson has a ton of baggage but to me the most damning one is refusal to hire top assistants. He was constantly worried about them taking his job. That is an awful trait to have in a head coach.
Why aren’t they interviewing Bud, Clifford, Messina, Borrego, Williams etc? I’d be okay with Stack or Blatt but I wish they were looking at more.
And please stop with the Lebron and Kawhi talk. Zero chance.
Honestly because I don't view them as strong candidates. I can't think of a direct parallel, but wouldn't you be concerned if the Giants interviewed 2 coaches no other teams had any interest in?
The baggage with Jackson is really bad. And they just fired Woodson 3 seasons ago.
As for Bud- maybe thats true. But it doesn't sound like Atlanta wants compensation. And your telling me its okay to give up compensation for Scott Perry but not Coach Bud?
It's also frustating they aren't looking at Clifford, Messina, Van Gundy or other outside the box candidates.
They were always going to interview jackson, and to think they werent is just being naive...
And 1 team has interviewed bud and they have already started interviewing other candidates...
How many teams are bnb interviewing messina?
How many teams are calling Clifford who was just fired
They need someone who's a TOP offensive mind as head coach. This game is going completely towards drive/kick/finish/three point shooting. Did they even think about the European guy on the Spurs... Ettore Messina?????
Which is the main non-Knicks-are-embarrassing reason why I'm less interested in the NBA than ever, because it's boring as hell, but that's a different argument.
Wait....this guy is STILL pounding his chest about Mitchell? FFS man, we just went through an entire season, it’s time to let it go.
Which is the main non-Knicks-are-embarrassing reason why I'm less interested in the NBA than ever, because it's boring as hell, but that's a different argument.
It is what it is. If a team has anyone beneath Shaq (which is 99.9% of the big men who've played), it's not even worth playing that way now. Even Embiid and Jokic have to hit threes and The Brow is shooting long jumpers. I LOVE Marvin Bagley and I'm not even sure how good he can be in today's game.
The ONLY thing I can think of is they know who the coach is and Woodson and Smith are being interviewed as assistants...
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Misworded that. I meant and outside the box coaches. College guys, top assistants etc.
And I would want Van Gundy because he’s a good coach and basketball mind.
Outside of Stack, I’m just unimpressed with the target list. And I looked Woody as a coach but that last year really revealed a lot of his flaws. It just seems like it’s same old Knicks.