Why do poster's think Denver will pay dearly to trade up?

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They are in a good position to get one of Allen, Chubb, Barkley or Nelson. I think Elway likes Allen, but not good enough to trade up.

but Lynch is awful and Keenum hasn't proven he's anything more than a capable starter. If Elway is sold on one of the QBs in this draft, neither of those guys would prevent him from making a move to get his guy.

Also - Lynch is a sunk cost and Case Keenum is not a long term solution. You do not formulate draft strategy around those guys just as the Giants shouldnt formulate draft strategy around Davis Webb or Eli Manning.

I dont know about getting a 1st round pick but if he waits around he might get the 4th best QB on his board and if you are in the market for a franchise QB at #5 overall pick you dont want the 4th best guy.

If Denver wants Barkley they would have to trade up. He is not getting past the top 4 and might not get past the top 2. Eli wants a top QB Keenum is avg at best. So if there is a guy he likes better than everyone else I can see it happening.

not sure the Giants will want to move to 5.

the GM is an ex-nfl QB.

Elway paid dearly for a flawed Peyton Manning and has continued to pay dearly trying to find their QB.

as they are built to win now and can't without a QB

you catch it. Its to soon to give up on Lynch and having two first round picks sitting on the bench sharing clipboard duty is a bit rich. Keenum and Barkley gives them a chance to win. Keenum and Chubb gives them a chance to win. Keenum and Nelson gives them a chance to win.

when they signed Keenum, and the realization there's a good chance one of the QBs will be there at 5.

trading up from 5 to 4 than going the expensive route to pick 2.

going to 5 and still getting a haul will leave us in the position to still get an impact player.

In comment 13918459 JonC said:

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when they signed Keenum, and the realization there's a good chance one of the QBs will be there at 5.

Big booty is always an option.

of leftfield. Someone like Tampa Bay perhaps if they have really given up on their Winston.

that it is virtually impossible to find a needle in a haystack. There have been no Andrew Lucks since, well, Andrew Luck. In the absence of an Andrew Luck, developing a quarterback capable of winning a super bowl requires a process of trial and error in a competitive process. And it may take at least 3-5 years once that quarterback starts his first game. See Phil Simms for a case study.

Osweiler/Siemian was a failure. Elway signed Keenum because he knows Lynch is not the answer. Now he has a capable quarterback in Keenum, but how capable could he be if the Vikings were eagerly willing to let him go for a compensatory draft pick despite the fact that Keenum led them to the NFC championship game? And released for a guy like Cousins, who has never won a playoff game! Cousins may be the riskiest NFL business decision since the Herschel Walker trade... oh that's right, that was also executed by the super bowl winless Vikings... Welcome to the eighth level of quarterback hell Minnesota!

Keenum may be the answer, but Elway needs to be fully prepared at the end of 2018 to go in another direction. Don't kid yourself. Elway and the Broncos are also in quarterback hell right now and have been since Peyton retired. Darnold or Allen will replace Lynch as Keenum's backup and possibly be the starter in 2019.

Giants fans pining for a quarterback should heed the plight of Denver and Minnesota and recognize how lucky we are to have Eli...

In comment 13918483 wgenesis123 said:

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of leftfield. Someone like Tampa Bay perhaps if they have really given up on their Winston.

Winston - another "highly graded by the professionals" bust... So glad the Giants have avoided being on Hard Knocks... It may be one of the best incentives for making the playoffs every year!

Hard to qualify him as a bust. He has been inconsistent, but much of that may be due to injuries. I think he still has a bright future.

Keenum is 30. 30! He’s also coming off a very very good season. And Denver is picking 5th not 2nd. They would have to trade up for a qb. Giants don’t need to trade up or trade away resources.

Denver might stand pat and take the qb but I highly doubt they trade a King’s ransom for one. And they don’t have to.

last chance. Keenum is 30 years old, and lets be honest he's had 1 good year. He is a stop gap, 1-2 year journeyman starter. I definitely think the Bronco's need their QB of the future. A team driven by Elway definitely values the QB position.

and Lynch stink, that's why.

I don't see Elway just giving away picks to secure a QB we don't even know that they want. Maybe they feel like they will get a QB by sitting tight at 5, or maybe they are not in the market for a first round QB. Who knows.

the Br0nc0s trade up, but y0u can't be 100% certain they w0nt. Keenum has a 2 year/36 million $ contract. That seems like a l0t, but when y0u think 0f h0w much C0usins g0t 3 year/84 mill), thats n0t even really 2nd tier QB m0ney. They could very well see Keenum as the best stop gap they could get, and if they really like one 0f the t0p QBs, they might trade up t0 get him. See h0w well it worked f0r the Eagles and the Rams.
And Paxt0n Lynch is certainly n0t likely t0 make Elway feel secure, either n0w 0r in the future.

Or settle for #4. Remember the GM played that position.

bringing in Keenum provides a starter to come in while you continue to develop Lynch. That being said I wouldnt put it past the broncos to just draft a qb every year

In comment 13918536 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:

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Hard to qualify him as a bust. He has been inconsistent, but much of that may be due to injuries. I think he still has a bright future.

Bust in the sense that he is not a pro bowl type, playoff winning franchise quarterback... He may start in this league for several more years, but not sure he has the leadership and decision making skill to win in the NFL...

in several off the field incidents with Winston, his future isn't that bright. I'm pretty sure TB has a short fuse on his time there.

if "their guy" at QB is not there at 5, he is willing to trade back.

Sounds like he has a conviction on one QB. What happens if he isn't the one selected at #1?

In comment 13918622 AnyoneButPhilly said:

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bringing in Keenum provides a starter to come in while you continue to develop Lynch. That being said I wouldnt put it past the broncos to just draft a qb every year

I agree with this. Elway has said he still believes in Lynch, so he may give him another year to see if there's anything there. The Keenum contract doesn't prevent that.

That said, they're also not likely to be drafting this high again, so he may want to take the QB while he can. If he misses with Lynch, he'll have to go the FA route to get someone, and that can get tricky.

Because if thy don't it's a non-starter for the discussion haha. DG won't be moving down for the #40 pick aone. It just won't ever happen that way.