He thinks its "inevitable" and that the Giants want to be a run first team again, and he's the "overwhelming" choice per Giants brass from sources he's talked to around the league.
Lots of smoke here.. too much so that its a smoke screen?... 8 days to go.
and Friday it will be Allen
The carousel goes round and round...
And on BBI, we will have endless threads from all the posters who think the Giants know less about the prospects than them.
That will be even more tedious than this.
-Fills a need
-Helps the offensive line
-Addresses offense
-Supports Eli's final run
-Franchise player to build with if OBJ leaves
-Justified as the 2nd overall pick
Does anyone think Barkley isnt anywhere near as good as he is said to be?
It helps them look better though. So people will Think they are better.
I don't.
p.s.--Has Ed Witten offered up an opinion yet on the draft?...
Nobody is more in the know than Ed Witten - ( New Window )
The Barkley prediction may have a better chance of coming true. But McShay is too inclined to hype the certainty of whatever he is predicting to put too much stock in it.
-Fills a need
-Helps the offensive line
-Addresses offense
-Supports Eli's final run
-Franchise player to build with if OBJ leaves
-Justified as the 2nd overall pick
Barkley is a no-brainer with our huge leadership and character hole amongst our young players.
Barkley will be the face of the team and the league we will build our team around and will revitalize the NFL's flagship team and the league that Reese, Mara, and Goodell wrecked.
You really think this guy is just making shit up?
A strong running game will help pass blocking schemes.
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...and somehow McShay has a pipeline into them as well. C'mon.
You really think this guy is just making shit up?
There's a difference between just making something up and coming to conclusions based on other reporters' work. McShay likely falls into the latter camp. When has he ever nailed a Giants pick? His final mock from last year on draft day is brutal. He gets Garrett and Fournette right and swings and misses on everything else. I would expect him to get at least more than 2 of the first 7-8 picks right.. Watson was his 1st QB off the board and yet he was the third in the actual draft.
McShay's final 2017 mock - ( New Window )
Link - ( New Window )
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Barkley will be the face of the team and the league we will build our team around.
What was the last team to win a Super Bowl that was built around a RB? Barry Sanders was the face of the Lions back in the 90's, how far did that get them? More recently, Adrian Peterson was the face of the Vikings, how far did that get them?
He will take us a hell of a lot further than an injured Rosen. Take Rudolph in round 2 and let him and Webb fight it out to be Elis successor in a few years.
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This is beyond unbearable... the draft can't get here soon enough.
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Barkley will be the face of the team and the league we will build our team around.
What was the last team to win a Super Bowl that was built around a RB? Barry Sanders was the face of the Lions back in the 90's, how far did that get them? More recently, Adrian Peterson was the face of the Vikings, how far did that get them?
Big Bens first super bowl against the Seahawks. Ben was awful that year and that offense was centered around Bettis and Parker. Hell even the team on the otherside (Seahawks) were built around Alexander.
If NYG thinks Barkley can be an elite RB, there's nothing wrong with taking him @ 2.
ARZ had pitiful QB play this year, but their poor season also had a lot to do with losing David Johnson in Week 1.
Bell does so much for the PIT offense. If Barkley can be on that level, I'm good with taking him.
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Barkley will be the face of the team and the league we will build our team around.
What was the last team to win a Super Bowl that was built around a RB? Barry Sanders was the face of the Lions back in the 90's, how far did that get them? More recently, Adrian Peterson was the face of the Vikings, how far did that get them?
Lewis, Bettis, Faulk, Rice, dunn/alstott?
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Barkley will be the face of the team and the league we will build our team around.
What was the last team to win a Super Bowl that was built around a RB? Barry Sanders was the face of the Lions back in the 90's, how far did that get them? More recently, Adrian Peterson was the face of the Vikings, how far did that get them?
Lewis, Bettis, Faulk, Rice, dunn/alstott?
You mean Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson werent superstar QBs? Lol
Lewis, Bettis, Faulk, Rice, dunn/alstott?
If I thought that Barkley was the missing piece to a championship I would have no concerns about drafting him.
But,I fear that the Giants are years away from a championship.
I don't want to over emphasize the fact that running backs have a short career. Not only do running backs have short careers, but, statistically they peak after (4) years or at age 26.
Running backs come with injury risks that are disproportionately higher than other positions.
This applies to all running backs not named Emmett Smith. Even great running backs start to decline after (4) years. In the new age of football there are very few running backs who run for over 1,000 yards and who are over 30.
Look and see how many first round running backs have signed their second contracts with the same team.
Take Laveon Bell for example, Pittsburgh is not inclined to give him a long term contract. Pittsburgh is concerned that Bell has an injury history and may start to see a decline in his performance. It is likely we have seen the best of Bell yet he wants to be compensated based upon his past.
So if the Giants do not win within the next 1-2 years, they will find themselves in the precarious position of looking to rebuild without the prospect of a franchise QB.
Some horrible misses like Had Corey Davis at 18 and he went 5, Had OJ Howard at 6 and went 19, Had John Ross at 9 went 3.
In 2016 he was 1 of 8 in top 10 in final mock as top 2 were already known.
So clearly McShay has no history of inside knowledge.
This also tells us that what the media is saying isnt really on track.
That's it. Remember we have unknowns after OBJ and SS.
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According to Mike Freeman, most NFL sources he has spoken with believe the #Giants will take a QB with the No. 2 overall pick, or trade out of the spot and take a quarterback lower in the first round.
Per Freeman, most teams don't buy the Giants not taking a QB. #GiantsPride
Does anyone think Barkley isnt anywhere near as good as he is said to be?
Me.. i think he is over hyped, He runs soft which will limit him in the NFL IMO
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Faulk was the best player on the 99 Rams. Hands down.
He was a great player, so was Kurt Warner, so was Torry Holt. But that's not the point. He wasn't the face of the team and while he surely played a major role in the success of the offense, it was not built around him. You don't win the NFL building your team around a RB.
That team absolutely WAS built around him. He was their best player and touched the ball more than anyone else did.
Whether or not you want to call him the "face" of the team is really irrelevant, honestly.
He wasn't just the best player on the Rams that year, he was probably the best player in football. He was offensive player of the year and should have been MVP too.
He rushed for over 1300 yards, averaged 5.5 yards a carry and he also caught 87 balls for over 1000 yards.
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Would be mad if Barkley was the pick. Maybe you do really want a QB, or this guy, or that guy, whatever... but you cant be mad at having Barkley on this team.
Does anyone think Barkley isnt anywhere near as good as he is said to be?
Me.. i think he is over hyped, He runs soft which will limit him in the NFL IMO
He carved up Michigan.
Whether or not you want to call him the "face" of the team is really irrelevant, honestly.
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He was their best player and touched the ball more than anyone else did.
Whether or not you want to call him the "face" of the team is really irrelevant, honestly.
a) He didn't touch the ball more than Kurt Warner (or Andy McCollum for that matter) and calling him the face of the team is hardly irrelevant since that was what I was responding to and why the only two examples I could think of were Barry Sanders and Adrian Peterson, both of whom fit the criteria of "face of the organization" and "offense built around them."
Faulk was as QB friendly a player in 1999 as has ever existed in this league. Replace him with a JAG and Warner doesn't see anywhere near the same level of success nor do they win the Super Bowl.
I don't think it's even debatable that Faulk was the best player on that team or that the offense went through him.
A season like that was basically unprecedented for a running back in 1999.
You can spin this however you'd like - I know it's going to make its way back to Josh Rosen somehow. But you're diminishing Marshall Faulk's 99 season in a big way here.