I have been pretty set against taking Barkley with #2 overall, I hate the idea of using such a valuable pick on a running back. But this article makes the point that you need to look at him differently, hes really just an offensive weapon rather than a bell cow back who blasts away at the defense.
Now part of me worries this is Reggie Bush redux, but who knows. I guess if they are not convinced by a QB and feel Saquon is just a stud prospect and a weapon who will open up the passing game as well as contributing in the run game I am on board.
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also help Eli immensely.
Bush is not a fair comparison.
he is more like Barry Sander.
The Giants potentially can run
11 Personnel
12 Personnel
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Also they can be multiple.. they could show 11 Personnel with Barkley @ RB but then move him into the slot and now its a 01 Personnel.. Or vice versa..
They could start out in a 12 Personnel and then split Engram out wide and now its an 11 Personnel..
Now Im not saying that HAVE to get Barkley.. what I am saying is that its not something I see talked about..
My gut says the Giants are going to go with Chubb. Gettleman has drafted DL early.. He has said he believes defense wins championships.. He believes in building the trenches.. pressuring the QB..
- 12 personnel (Barkley, Engram, Ellison, Bechkam, Shepard) resulting in the D likely countering with their base D (43 or 34). The Giants can then line up in an empty backfield with a LB responsible for Barkley and/or Engram. Advantage: Giants
- 22 or 13 personnel with a FB or TE replacing SS. Once again, the D would counter with a base D or even subbing a DB for an extra LB/DL and the Giants can again create mismatches for Engram and/or Barkley.
If D's start countering by playing more nickel against the above personnel groupings, the Giants then need to take advantage on the ground (hopefully the OL is improved enough to do so). And if it's a "big nickel" (safety as 5th DB instead of a CB), then Barkley and/or Engram would still have a potential mismatch.
You absolutely have to think Barkley is more than just a typical RB to take him at 2, and I think he is. Even more intriguing is putting him in a Shurmur offense.
I have a little bit of knowledge on him.
his passing catching skill are beyond Marshall Faulk....as he runs full routes like a wr.....not just screens etc
also help Eli immensely.
Bush is not a fair comparison.
he is more like Barry Sander.
Barry Sanders who can catch the football like Marshall Faulk
- 12 personnel (Barkley, Engram, Ellison, Bechkam, Shepard) resulting in the D likely countering with their base D (43 or 34). The Giants can then line up in an empty backfield with a LB responsible for Barkley and/or Engram. Advantage: Giants
- 22 or 13 personnel with a FB or TE replacing SS. Once again, the D would counter with a base D or even subbing a DB for an extra LB/DL and the Giants can again create mismatches for Engram and/or Barkley.
If D's start countering by playing more nickel against the above personnel groupings, the Giants then need to take advantage on the ground (hopefully the OL is improved enough to do so). And if it's a "big nickel" (safety as 5th DB instead of a CB), then Barkley and/or Engram would still have a potential mismatch.
I agree and perhaps I stated that badly.. I was trying to emphasize that you could create mismatches with personnel. And you can do different things. The Giants could put 11 personnel on the field but then motion Barkley into the slot to create a mismatch with the LB.
Agree 100% LB's trying to cover Barkley and Engram would be a nightmare for most DC's.
Done.
I'm looking forward to talking about where the four QBs talked about as potentially going 1-4 this year are in five years.
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@SiriusXMNFL's Gil Brandt with more praise for @saquon:
Says Saquon Barkley is the best RB prospect in the NFL Draft since Adrian Peterson, on conference call.
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The element of not tipping your hand based on personnel is enormous. Not only that but he's legitimately dangerous as a receiver, he's tough to cover and check because of his speed and stop and start ability. This isn't 3 yards and a cloud of dust RB, it's field stretching, home run hitting, keep the defense guessing type of stuff. People glossing over that simply aren't watching the NFL. Alvin Kamara was a god send for the Saints last year for precisely that reason, he was a swiss army knife. YES YES YES he was had later but his impact was due to his ability to be a receiver and keep defenses completely honest.
Thats because Saquon Barkley will be leading the NFL in rushing.
Well Gurley is already on year 4 and getting better. Zeke will be on year 3 and will continue to be in the mix for leading the nfl in rushing. Four eyes running style I dont like long term but Im guessing hes going to be very good during his rookie contract.
Not really sure what your point is. If Barkley is special and we use him like Pitt uses Bell, his career should be longer and more productive of your standard RB. In other words, that line of thinking shouldnt apply to guys like Barkley if in fact you play on using them a certain way.
Lastly, leading the nfl in rushing wouldnt even be the goal with Barkley. Leading the league in total yards would be.
You mean the way Eli sucked at utilizing Tiki in the passing game?
Maybe we just haven't had a great RB to utilize.
He could fall to our #34 pick with all the doubts about him.
When did I say that all Bell does is run screens?
Was he brutal at it only a couple years ago when Jennings and Vereen combined for almost 800 yards receiving? Or was it that we just hadn't had a good recieving back since Barber? That is the whole reason Vereen was signed, and he did well while he was healthy.
Lol. I actually think he's gotten better over the years
The Giants havent had any of that for the last 2 years..
Barkley shouldn't be looked at as just a RB, but as an overall 3 down weapon. He could help everyone around him including the OL and Eli look better.
The element of not tipping your hand based on personnel is enormous. Not only that but he's legitimately dangerous as a receiver, he's tough to cover and check because of his speed and stop and start ability. This isn't 3 yards and a cloud of dust RB, it's field stretching, home run hitting, keep the defense guessing type of stuff. People glossing over that simply aren't watching the NFL. Alvin Kamara was a god send for the Saints last year for precisely that reason, he was a swiss army knife. YES YES YES he was had later but his impact was due to his ability to be a receiver and keep defenses completely honest.
I envision having an undefndable 80 reception 1000 yard slot/short yardage type presence again like Steve Smith or Cruz again.
But 40 lbs heavier, much stronger and greater core strength, much more agile, much more difficult to tackle and much faster. Oh yeah, and you can hand off to him.