maybe he was always this bad, but his twitter feed the past two days has been just brutal. He's in Pat Leonard territory.
He says they won't be a run first team even if they take Barkley, he's apparently not a 'fan' of the direction the franchise is going in currently, and he's called out the Giants for having nine players over the age of 30. And except for Solder (who just turned 30) and Eli I'm not seeing a lot of critical players here (see list below). I'm hoping neither Jerry or Greco sniffs the starting lineup this year.
Herzlich, Mark 30
Solder, Nate 30
Jerry, John 31
Stewart, Jonathan 31
DeOssie, Zak 33
Gay, William 33
Greco, John 33
Marshall, Brandon 34
Manning, Eli 37
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Now that being said, if they sign Dez Bryant then I'm buying a ticket aboard the negative train.
Disagree with others in that the market for available talent is what it is.
Imo, He is "right" in this way: The current talent pool could be a lot better
Imo, he is "wrong" in this way: The current FO and coaches were not here to construct the cap, the age or the talent of the current roster. They can only work forward.
To me, the statue of limitations of beating up the terrible old regime is over. They are gone
Beating up the new one for things they cant control is easy but not useful commentary.
When one critiques, one owes what better solutions one would offer otherwise be humble and rememeber its easy to comment and hard to make "great" decisions given significant limitations of rules and reality
The Giants will be a punching bag until they arent...lets just not over react to the commentariat
last year was painful.....but most of us had high Hope's after the season we went to the playoffs with that dynamic defense.
This is an excellent point.
And when it comes to this draft pick, I understand the group who don't want the Giants to reach for a QB, and that's understandable. Those of you who think this team is gearing up to win now are delusional. If the grades on the QB's are close or equal to Barkley or Chubb, Gettleman should be shown the door if he doesn't go QB. This is coming from a die hard Eli supporter and fan. It's time to set ourselves up for some staying power.
The rest is just stop gap that will be replaced as soon as they can. You build from the draft.
I think they are attempting the rebuild on the fly thing - we'll see how it goes
Criticizing the direction of the team is beyond stupid. If Reese and co were still in charge then questions all you want. The new regime has made great strides so far. Revamped 2/5th of the line and we haven’t even drafted yet. We’re in place to get a top tier talent at 2. Also added linebacker talent to a weak defense. To question now makes less than zero sense.
It's not a rebuild if you take a flashy RB to go along with a bunch of mid-career JAGS.. that screams of "we can compete now"
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It's been a bad team for a while now, and I don't see why anyone established or new deserves any benefit of the doubt.
Criticizing the direction of the team is beyond stupid. If Reese and co were still in charge then questions all you want. The new regime has made great strides so far. Revamped 2/5th of the line and we haven’t even drafted yet. We’re in place to get a top tier talent at 2. Also added linebacker talent to a weak defense. To question now makes less than zero sense.
tbh, I think that at this point in time there isn't anyone, Ranaan or otherwise in the media or anybody here for that matter, who has a clue what the direction of the team is. There's been nothing substantive to say we have a direction one way or the other.
It's not a rebuild if you take a flashy RB to go along with a bunch of mid-career JAGS.. that screams of "we can compete now"
And most teams that are rebuilding or retooling or whatever you want to call it look to get younger. We've added or retained some questionable older guys like Stewart, Greco, Jerry and Gay which is odd not to mention likely passing on drafting a QB thus relying on a 37-year old for a couple of more years.
Attack the argument not the person
Not even close to the worst roster.
Attack the argument not the person
I think this is a good idea, but Jordan always makes things so personal. The guy toots his own horn more than almost anybody I have ever seen as a beat reporter. It is probably the most annoying thing about him.
And most teams that are rebuilding or retooling or whatever you want to call it look to get younger. We've added or retained some questionable older guys like Stewart, Greco, Jerry and Gay which is odd not to mention likely passing on drafting a QB thus relying on a 37-year old for a couple of more years.
You are missing the point regarding rebuilding. You have a GM who inherited limited cap space in a weak FA period, so we need to temper expectations about what could have been done thus far. Then there is the fact they traded away one of two remaining starters from the 2011 SB team and have been extensively researching possible replacements for the other in draft process. So we are back to the players they signed, and to this I ask you, which of them do you see as signed with the intention of leading this team to the SB? Oka, maybe Soldier, but he 1) was plan B, plan A being a younger player and 2) signed a 4 year deal. Hardly the win-now type of move Rams made signing Suh on a 1-year deal.
The rest are clearly stop gap signings. How could anyone look at Jon Stewart signing and come to the conclusion he was signed with the intention of riding him to the SB. That's a weak conclusion.
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It's been a bad team for a while now, and I don't see why anyone established or new deserves any benefit of the doubt.
I think the new regime deserves a chance to show what they can do before being taken to the woodshed by the beat reporters.
Absolutely agree.
That’s reallu only Stewart & Solder. Stewart is a locker room signing on a bad culture team. Solder just turned 30 and signed for 4 years. he should be able to be a good player for the duration of his contract and protect the blindside of a new QB draft pick for 3 years.
Besides that- Ogletree and Martin are 26. Omameh is 28. None of these guys are old. How are they rebuild moves.
The Giants also traded JPP and killed their cap this year and cut DRC leaving the secondary short of a reliable nickel corner.
Its like people were expecting the giants to start cutting everyone over 30 and only singing guys who are 24.
The 2004 Giants rebuild under TC did not do that. The moves very much mirror what this team has done.
And when it comes to this draft pick, I understand the group who don't want the Giants to reach for a QB, and that's understandable. Those of you who think this team is gearing up to win now are delusional. If the grades on the QB's are close or equal to Barkley or Chubb, Gettleman should be shown the door if he doesn't go QB. This is coming from a die hard Eli supporter and fan. It's time to set ourselves up for some staying power.
You are 100% correct and truer words have not been spoken on this site. I'm not sure why some fans have blind optimism toward this team given the the undeniable fact that it's been a poorly run franchise for over a half decade, want to speak about the future, let's consider the following:
1. The owners conducted a sham GM search in which everyone could see the pick coming from a mile away. I'm not suggesting DG wasn't a solid candidate. However, can anyone reasonably dispute this wasn't business as usual for the this team? Not to mention they hired a guy who had Reese's stink all over him.
2. Business as usual has seen this team be terrible for really the better party of 7 years. Even in the Giants Super Bowl run, the were 9-7 and on the decline. A qb and two wide receivers masked tremendous issues with the roster.
3. Once the qb noticeably declined, they failed to protect him better in the late coughlin years. So what was done, that fire the best head coach they had since parcells and replace him with...wait for it...Ben Mcadoo! No legit coaching search, just more business as usual.
4. Once it became clear that the qb was in decline, the organization comes out in 2018 and states they are emphatically making one last run with him. This bandaid approach has been taken for years, to mostly terrible results. But sure, lets continue the approach that's gotten us as losing record since the second half of 2012, with a qb that's lead arguably the worst offense in football the past two seasons. So what is the suggestion, take a rb! Literally the least important position on offense, with a still depleted oline. And we're all expecting a SB because of...wait for it...a running back! So instead of picking a qb in an objectively highly regarded class and starting over similar to 2004, we're going to continue the bandaid approach that hasn't worked...EVER!
5. The organization then tries to sell the fan base on their third choice for head coach as if we are all fools.
So, I agree with Ranaan, this organization has been and looks to be headed into a very dark period of football.
Signings and re-signings:
J-Stew
John Greco
Kerry Wynn
Mark H.
Robert Thomas
William Gay
Teddy Williams
Mike Thomas
John Halapio
Why? how do they fit into any kind of rebuild?
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it is possible to disagree with Jordan without personally vilifying him.
Attack the argument not the person
I think this is a good idea, but Jordan always makes things so personal. The guy toots his own horn more than almost anybody I have ever seen as a beat reporter. It is probably the most annoying thing about him.
Exercise restraint and ask yourself, "Would I act this way if Jordan was in front of me and not behind a computer?"
Draft Barkley and keep moving forward.
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it is possible to disagree with Jordan without personally vilifying him.
Attack the argument not the person
I think this is a good idea, but Jordan always makes things so personal. The guy toots his own horn more than almost anybody I have ever seen as a beat reporter. It is probably the most annoying thing about him.
Exercise restraint and ask yourself, "Would I act this way if Jordan was in front of me and not behind a computer?"
Maybe not.
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it is possible to disagree with Jordan without personally vilifying him.
Attack the argument not the person
I think this is a good idea, but Jordan always makes things so personal. The guy toots his own horn more than almost anybody I have ever seen as a beat reporter. It is probably the most annoying thing about him.
Exercise restraint and ask yourself, "Would I act this way if Jordan was in front of me and not behind a computer?"
I'm pretty sure that most of these people would.
I dunno, would I say that I find him annoying if I met him? No, most likely not. But, am I so wrong to say that online, when he probably doesn't act half the way he does in his personal relationships than how he acts on social media. It is sort of a weird comparison; it is not that I would be afraid to say it, but People, probably including Jordan, have much better manners off of the internet. In other words, this stuff does not usually come up. Jordan's online presence is that he always has to be right. I would hope he would not comport himself in that manner in real life--so its kind of comparing apples to oranges.
Based on his twitter feed the guy has some very thin skin.
What I don't get at all is why some people on BBI are continuously negative when the coach and GM were replaced. Isn't that what everyone wanted? If it were last year at this time, or any of the last four years, I totally understand being doom and gloom. But I just don't get the negativity now.
If we draft him we don’t need to run him 25 times a game. He’ll make his plays catching the ball.
The whole argument that the Giants are old though is complete nonsense. He seems to think they'll be worse in 2-3 years, and Im just not sure how that's the case unless they totally botch the draft. They have cap flexibility and two young studs (Collins and OBJ), with a no. 2 pick coming up.
Based on his twitter feed the guy has some very thin skin.
What I don't get at all is why some people on BBI are continuously negative when the coach and GM were replaced. Isn't that what everyone wanted? If it were last year at this time, or any of the last four years, I totally understand being doom and gloom. But I just don't get the negativity now.
I am certainly negative on this team. It has nothing to do with he GM or coach. It has everything to do with how bad the roster is.
Yes we are going into the draft and it should get better. But expecting miracles from a rookie class is delusional.
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it is possible to disagree with Jordan without personally vilifying him.
Attack the argument not the person
I think this is a good idea, but Jordan always makes things so personal. The guy toots his own horn more than almost anybody I have ever seen as a beat reporter. It is probably the most annoying thing about him.
This is my job. I'm fine with it. People don't agree and vilify. And everyone here or on social media is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is there were better ways to go about this offseason. Rather than signing 5 JAGs at CB how about spending $3M per on the Ross Cockrells of the world? How about not signing J-Stew to a contract that nobody else would've given him? Or not re-signing Herzlich? Culture needs to be built organically [with the Tucks, Strahan, Diehl, O'Hara and Snees], not by guys who are on their way out of the league. That's just my true feelings and I would be a fraud to sit here and sell you otherwise.
I'm just being me, but I think you'd have a hard time finding examples of me tooting my own horn. And if so, shame on me. If anything, I'm naturally self-deprecating and you're more likely to find me calling myself an idiot, not very smart or bad at math, all of which I've done on multiple occasions.
The world has lost its damned mind.
This guy just throws shit at the wall all year long
This guy just throws shit at the wall all year long
Well to be fair, a lot of folks think they’re qualified to be an NFL GM this time of year. Including many people from the comfort of their couches at home.
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it is possible to disagree with Jordan without personally vilifying him.
Attack the argument not the person
I think this is a good idea, but Jordan always makes things so personal. The guy toots his own horn more than almost anybody I have ever seen as a beat reporter. It is probably the most annoying thing about him.
This is my job. I'm fine with it. People don't agree and vilify. And everyone here or on social media is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is there were better ways to go about this offseason. Rather than signing 5 JAGs at CB how about spending $3M per on the Ross Cockrells of the world? How about not signing J-Stew to a contract that nobody else would've given him? Or not re-signing Herzlich? Culture needs to be built organically [with the Tucks, Strahan, Diehl, O'Hara and Snees], not by guys who are on their way out of the league. That's just my true feelings and I would be a fraud to sit here and sell you otherwise.
I'm just being me, but I think you'd have a hard time finding examples of me tooting my own horn. And if so, shame on me. If anything, I'm naturally self-deprecating and you're more likely to find me calling myself an idiot, not very smart or bad at math, all of which I've done on multiple occasions.
Jordan you should seriously tone down your social media attacks on fans who disagree with you. I thought your job was to provide insight on what’s going on with the Giants. Not complain about the Herzlich signing, or the 9 people the Giants have over the age of 30. Herzlich is a special teams guy who won’t see snaps at LB. And you don’t seem to give DG credit where it may be due, like the JPP and Ogletree trades. And LT was a dumpster fire, the Solder signing was critical.
He doesn’t have to write well written articles, he needs people just to click on them. Mike Garafolo he will never come close to being.