Jordan Ranaan has gone off the deep end

may target in the draft....
I guess the list was one short.

It's been a bad team for a while now, and I don't see why anyone established or new deserves any benefit of the doubt.

All Pro DT
Pro Bowl Corner
Legitimate LT
Long snapper
Franchise QB

3 guys who might not make the team.

The only gripe could be stewart.

BFD.

disagree with his Barkley take. There just aren't that many run first teams in the NFL. You take Barkley because he's a dynamic playmaker in space. I wouldn't want him carrying the ball 25 times per game.

The whole argument that the Giants are old though is complete nonsense. He seems to think they'll be worse in 2-3 years, and Im just not sure how that's the case unless they totally botch the draft. They have cap flexibility and two young studs (Collins and OBJ), with a no. 2 pick coming up.

? Thats my all pro corner. Not William Gay.

In comment 13918929 Go Terps said:

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It's been a bad team for a while now, and I don't see why anyone established or new deserves any benefit of the doubt.

I think the new regime deserves a chance to show what they can do before being taken to the woodshed by the beat reporters.

Won't be on the team next year. This is a rebuilding year. They need to rebuild the locker room. Now they have guys who can do it.

because he's negative and hate dottino because he's a homer.

Jordan has been on the beat for a few years. The team has been brutal throughout. He's not a fan. This is what non giant fans think about the team right now.

I agree with all those points.

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? Thats my all pro corner. Not William Gay.

Snacks and Jenikins both turn 30 in the fall.

Because he provides no valuable insight into the draft process. Maybe he's simply doing what ESPN tells him to do, which is a possibility. But during this process, consider what he has said:

The Giants will not pick a QB.
Then it changed to the Giants will only consider Darnold.
Then it changed to the Giants will only consider Darnold, but maybe also Rosen.
Then he revised it to the Giants will consider Darnold, with an asterisk to Rosen, but the coaches apparently love Allen.

So, what insight has he provided? The Giants love the top players in the draft, and now they apparently will also consider the top three QBs in the draft? Literally any poster on this board could say that. On Thursday, if the Giants take Allen, he'll just say I told you the coaches loved them. Or Rosen, I said there was an asterisk for him. And so on.

Simply put, he's making it so he can't be wrong.

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Won't be on the team next year. This is a rebuilding year. They need to rebuild the locker room. Now they have guys who can do it.

That's why it's stupid to write a tweet now that calls out the Giants for having nine players 30 or older.

The Giants will not be a run first team.. They will me a run MORE team.. ( much more than in the past few years ).. but they wont be a run FIRST team by any stretch of the imagination..

Because they are in win-now mode, haven't you been paying attention?

Herzlich, Jerry, Stewart, Marshall -championship, here we come!

dislike Raanan and Graziano is because they don't know how to be critical without being condescending. "Oh you disagree with me? Well ha you're an idiot".
And yes that tweet about 30 year olds was bullshit. Teams need guys like William Gay, John Greco, and Jonathan Stewart when the rest of the players at the position are all in their mid-twenties. It helps establish professionalism. It's easy to balk at the age but I can assure you part of the reason Jonathan Stewart was signed was possibly show/instill the work ethic of a 30yr old rb and what it will take to keep your body and mind up for NFL Standards.

with Barkley in the backfield. I really don't care if they take Darnold or Barkley - I'll be happy with either one.

But I think maybe some fans have forgotten what a true dual threat RB can do for an offense. Its not just about running the ball. He does everything...just like Tiki Barber did.

meant "early twenties".
It does seem like everyone seems to be going off the deep end lately. GoTerps is an awesome poster but everything is just so negative. Even Eric has dropped "I feel like we're the Knicks". I mean, really? And to criticize the Gettleman hire as some retread old man? I mean who else would you rather have had? Louis Riddick? really? I feel like its clear as day that Gettleman will be around for 4-5 years and have a plan to groom Kevin Abrams.
I get it...3-13 sucks but we're not suddenly the fucking Browns.

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dislike Raanan and Graziano is because they don't know how to be critical without being condescending. "Oh you disagree with me? Well ha you're an idiot". And yes that tweet about 30 year olds was bullshit. Teams need guys like William Gay, John Greco, and Jonathan Stewart when the rest of the players at the position are all in their mid-twenties. It helps establish professionalism. It's easy to balk at the age but I can assure you part of the reason Jonathan Stewart was signed was possibly show/instill the work ethic of a 30yr old rb and what it will take to keep your body and mind up for NFL Standards.

The run first piece wasn't the main thing for me, it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. The two other tweets (about 'not liking the direction of the team' and '9 players 30 or older', and then when he insults fans left and right is what bothers me the most.

Especially after all those stupid 'will OBJ be traded' articles that appear to have been media driven from the start.

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meant "early twenties". It does seem like everyone seems to be going off the deep end lately. GoTerps is an awesome poster but everything is just so negative. Even Eric has dropped "I feel like we're the Knicks". I mean, really? And to criticize the Gettleman hire as some retread old man? I mean who else would you rather have had? Louis Riddick? really? I feel like its clear as day that Gettleman will be around for 4-5 years and have a plan to groom Kevin Abrams. I get it...3-13 sucks but we're not suddenly the fucking Browns.

Eric losing his sh*t over the Giants re-signing Greco was a bizarre moment.

He doesn't really have great football knowledge.

I like him....and he's good at reporting, but his Football IQ isn't great.

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dislike Raanan and Graziano is because they don't know how to be critical without being condescending. "Oh you disagree with me? Well ha you're an idiot". And yes that tweet about 30 year olds was bullshit. Teams need guys like William Gay, John Greco, and Jonathan Stewart when the rest of the players at the position are all in their mid-twenties. It helps establish professionalism. It's easy to balk at the age but I can assure you part of the reason Jonathan Stewart was signed was possibly show/instill the work ethic of a 30yr old rb and what it will take to keep your body and mind up for NFL Standards.

agree 100% you need veterans.. You need guys who know how to prepare and how to play..

Stewart I think is a very important piece in that he is a guy who also understands Shula's run schemes.. He will be important in that RB room.

a la Pederson right out of the box with Minny, imo..OBJ et al will become even more effective, especially as the season wears on, imv

Base to change the current culture while you draft in talent to replace them
Almost a calming presence.

In comment 13918974 Brown Recluse said:

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In comment 13918969 FThomas said: Quote: meant "early twenties". It does seem like everyone seems to be going off the deep end lately. GoTerps is an awesome poster but everything is just so negative. Even Eric has dropped "I feel like we're the Knicks". I mean, really? And to criticize the Gettleman hire as some retread old man? I mean who else would you rather have had? Louis Riddick? really? I feel like its clear as day that Gettleman will be around for 4-5 years and have a plan to groom Kevin Abrams. I get it...3-13 sucks but we're not suddenly the fucking Browns. Eric losing his sh*t over the Giants re-signing Greco was a bizarre moment.

Yeah, that Knicks comment was absurd. The Giants have been a shitty team for a while and now they have a new GM and coach. And yet some people seem to think that nothing the new leadership does is any good b/c the Giants have been bad for so long.

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meant "early twenties". It does seem like everyone seems to be going off the deep end lately. GoTerps is an awesome poster but everything is just so negative. Even Eric has dropped "I feel like we're the Knicks". I mean, really? And to criticize the Gettleman hire as some retread old man? I mean who else would you rather have had? Louis Riddick? really? I feel like its clear as day that Gettleman will be around for 4-5 years and have a plan to groom Kevin Abrams. I get it...3-13 sucks but we're not suddenly the fucking Browns.

This team is 43-54 in 6 years, with last year's team being the worst team since the '70s. And it's not just that, it's been a brutal group to root for.

It took this team 3 games to score 2 TDs last season, which is in and of itself pathetic. BOTH of those first 2 TDs were flagged for lewd celebrations despite the poor performance and despite the fact that both TDs still saw the Giants trailing on the scoreboard. Talk about a complete lack of class or even awareness of what you look like on the field. Why should we be positive about that?

How could you not be negative? This team has earned our negativity.

a negative view of where the Giants are in some ways right now.

But for someone who writes critically for a living, he sure doesn’t handle criticism well himself.

Here is what matters:
- Did the team make the right decision for the HC?
- Does the team make the correct choice with the #2 pick in this draft?
- Are they successful in adding quality pieces in subsequent draft rounds?
- Are they successful in handling the Odell situation?
- Do they effectively handle the transition with Eli?

Do these things well and this team is in great shape -the rest is just filler noise. But none of these can be evaluated at this point.

Possibly the worst roster we've ever fielded. Not everything he says is wrong.

and can they fix the Oline. I'd add that to my list.

I could understand the need to continue to whine about everything.

But, plenty has been changed. Nearly everything that could reasonably be changed was changed. Now we need to see how it works. But there are always going to be people who somehow draw something from complaining about spilled milk from 6 months ago when the people who spilled it were already cut/fired.

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Possibly the worst roster we've ever fielded. Not everything he says is wrong.

Okay, but who do you blame for that? DG? Has he had time to fix it in one FA period with limited cap space and few great FA options? Is it Reese? He's gone, why complain.

but barkley is in my opinion more valuable in the pass game than the run game. who says you have to be a run first team if you draft Barkley?

because many of the reasons we have been a shit show are now gone. It's not like we're sitting idle. Reese, Ross, McAdoo for example. And players like JPP and others like DRC who I actually really liked as a player but it was pretty obvious that he was part of the problem not the solution. My point is steps are being taken to remedy, its not like we're status quo here. There are plans in place, plans underway to hopefully fix this and instill a new culture.
Now that being said, if they sign Dez Bryant then I'm buying a ticket aboard the negative train.

Agree with aspects of Jordan's comments. Run balance: all for it. Run first in the league as constructed and the Ol as constructed: Not in favor

Disagree with others in that the market for available talent is what it is.

Imo, He is "right" in this way: The current talent pool could be a lot better

Imo, he is "wrong" in this way: The current FO and coaches were not here to construct the cap, the age or the talent of the current roster. They can only work forward.

To me, the statue of limitations of beating up the terrible old regime is over. They are gone

Beating up the new one for things they cant control is easy but not useful commentary.

When one critiques, one owes what better solutions one would offer otherwise be humble and rememeber its easy to comment and hard to make "great" decisions given significant limitations of rules and reality

The Giants will be a punching bag until they arent...lets just not over react to the commentariat

I made the mistake of discounting Graziano’s devastating takes on the lack of talent on the NYG rooster as just his anti-NYG bias because he was, I believe, a PHI fan. Turns out he was right. Not going to make the same mistake and shoot down Ranaan’s critique. After the last few years, the NYG organization has lost the benefit of the doubt; they will have to earn that back. Fingers crossed.

him. Too many arguments with his twitter followers clogging up my feed. He too often ends up taking a sort of reasonable/defendable debatable position and then picking the worst counterarguments from his followers to attack. It's a waste of bandwith and tiresome.

it's all positioning..... those Super Bowls seem like a life ago.....

last year was painful.....but most of us had high Hope's after the season we went to the playoffs with that dynamic defense.

you need to lie to yourself about our roster its that simple. If not, you are counting on him to be a freak in terms of productivity and longevity. Our OL is nowhere near good yet, we have a 37 year old qb, who is declining. Picking a RB at two given what we know about our roster and that position almost makes no sense unless you are making one last run at it with Eli and think you can. What's the end game, what do you do in two year when Eli is really done?

In comment 13919010 Metnut said:

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him. Too many arguments with his twitter followers clogging up my feed. He too often ends up taking a sort of reasonable/defendable debatable position and then picking the worst counterarguments from his followers to attack. It's a waste of bandwith and tiresome.

This is an excellent point.

but, some of you fans sound like children. This team has been terrible for 6 of 7 years, and last season could have been the worst Giants season EVER. The writers SHOULD have a negative tone.

And when it comes to this draft pick, I understand the group who don't want the Giants to reach for a QB, and that's understandable. Those of you who think this team is gearing up to win now are delusional. If the grades on the QB's are close or equal to Barkley or Chubb, Gettleman should be shown the door if he doesn't go QB. This is coming from a die hard Eli supporter and fan. It's time to set ourselves up for some staying power.

These guys are supposed to be reporters that report actual news. It is laughable as I type it out. They are all scrambling for tidbits to generate an article that generates clicks. Then we click and then complain ...

This. It's like he almost intentionally engages with the most uninformed fans.

But what he is missing here is that none of the players in question is core roster. We're talking stop gaps and patches to stop the bleeding. You have a GM who inherited a shitty roster with limited salary cap in a weak FA period. How much core roster transition was he expecting? They made a big push to secure the guard but the contract demands were too high and didn't have the cap resources to get him. So you have a 30 yr old Soldier, which is not terribly old for an Oline. Eli? Seriously? He has a no-trade clause and there is no way in hell dump him. They are smart to keep him while grooming a replacement. Then they traded for a young LB.

The rest is just stop gap that will be replaced as soon as they can. You build from the draft.

To patch what they could in FA to avoid being hamstrung in draft. These aren't permanent pieces outside of Soldier and the LB they traded for. He talks about rebuilding over 2-3 years then complains about the pieces they have in place today. If they could fix everything today, it wouldn't take 3-4 years. Right????

but he's not wrong about the direction of the team. I can't figure out what direction they are headed in either. It kinda reminded me of the Yankees a couple years ago when it looked like they were trying to build the farm system and do a total rebuild, but then went out and signed Ellsbury.
I think they are attempting the rebuild on the fly thing - we'll see how it goes

They are rebuilding. Rebuilding doesn't happen overnight and requires transitional pieces.

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It's been a bad team for a while now, and I don't see why anyone established or new deserves any benefit of the doubt.

Criticizing the direction of the team is beyond stupid. If Reese and co were still in charge then questions all you want. The new regime has made great strides so far. Revamped 2/5th of the line and we haven’t even drafted yet. We’re in place to get a top tier talent at 2. Also added linebacker talent to a weak defense. To question now makes less than zero sense.

If the giants take a QB to build around or trade down to get more pieces to build a foundation.
It's not a rebuild if you take a flashy RB to go along with a bunch of mid-career JAGS.. that screams of "we can compete now"

In comment 13919079 Tuckrule said:

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In comment 13918929 Go Terps said: Quote: It's been a bad team for a while now, and I don't see why anyone established or new deserves any benefit of the doubt. Criticizing the direction of the team is beyond stupid. If Reese and co were still in charge then questions all you want. The new regime has made great strides so far. Revamped 2/5th of the line and we haven’t even drafted yet. We’re in place to get a top tier talent at 2. Also added linebacker talent to a weak defense. To question now makes less than zero sense.

tbh, I think that at this point in time there isn't anyone, Ranaan or otherwise in the media or anybody here for that matter, who has a clue what the direction of the team is. There's been nothing substantive to say we have a direction one way or the other.

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If the giants take a QB to build around or trade down to get more pieces to build a foundation. It's not a rebuild if you take a flashy RB to go along with a bunch of mid-career JAGS.. that screams of "we can compete now"

Really? Whatever player the draft will sign a 4-yr contract with optional 5th yr. I think it's safe to assume when they draft someone #2 overall they would hope it works out to a point where they extend him at and of rookie deal. So we are looking at 9 year investment, regardless of position. How is that incompatible with rebuild just because it's not a QB? Whether they draft a QB or not, they sure as hell are doing their research on the top QB prospects. If they don't make the grade, they don't make the grade. But they are clearly exploring drafting Eli's replacement. That's just a fact.