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Considering how endeared Eli is by ownership, no QB #2?

Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/18/2018 2:34 pm
Considering how endeared Eli is by ownership, I can see them passing up QB at #2

DG running the draft or not, I would say a decision that high up you can bet ownership will have a big say in it. If you go QB at #2 you are basically saying to Eli this is your last year. A QB you are high on late round 1 (via trade up) or early rounds 2 or even 3 changes the dynamic drastically.

Right or wrong, if Giants goals are:

1. Do 'right' (in their eyes) by Eli (after last years debacle) and give him to the end of his contract (which the Giants are big on) . That means 2 years IF he plays well this year under a much better HC/OC combination and improved OL.

2. Do 'right' by Davis Webb who has been the consummate back up the day he stepped into the Giants facility and has busted his butt. A model QB understudy and exactly the persona the Giants love for their QB.

3. Take a QB later in draft (but still top 3 rounds) that you have a very high grade on like Lauletta, Mike White, or maybe Faulk. So the 'investment' is not as high but he can also provide competition and insurance for Davis Webb in case he doesn't pan out.

4. Also just as important a rare 'transformational' grade on a player you can take at the top of draft instead of a QB in Barkley.

This is well within their M.O. to do this. I am not saying I agree with this per se, but I could totally see Giants ownership doing this type of thing. Eli is like family to them (plus of course he brought 2 Super Bowl rings here). For better or for worse, this is an extremely loyal organization to a fault.

Also if you don't think that ownership can't have emotional ties to a multiple Super Bowl winning QB that will lead them to make an 'emotional' decision, check out what Kraft did to Belicheck at the likely behest on Tom Brady.

They just lost their future QB in Garrapolo against Bill's strong wishes for a 2nd round pick.
JerseyJoe  
JonC : 4/18/2018 2:35 pm : link
is that you?
Didnt you post this on another board  
dep026 : 4/18/2018 2:35 pm : link
just a few days ago ;)
RE: JerseyJoe  
Britt in VA : 4/18/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13919153 JonC said:
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is that you?


Yes.
You mean the same ownership  
Keith : 4/18/2018 2:41 pm : link
that basically announced in November that we will start scouting the QB's hard to find Eli's replacement?

Also the same ownership that said he appreciates how teams like the Packers transitioned from one franchise QB to the next?
If the Giants don't take a QB at 2,  
Keith : 4/18/2018 2:41 pm : link
it's for no other reason than they don't like the QB's available at 2. That's it.
huh?  
firedbytheboss : 4/18/2018 2:42 pm : link
we aren't taking a QB so we can do right by Eli? And do right by Webb? who we owe nothing.

You run an organization like that and you aren't going to win shit, and you don't deserve to win shit.

If we pass on QB at 2 we deserve to become the new Jets of NY.

I agree that you have defined Mara's point of view correctly  
JohnB : 4/18/2018 2:45 pm : link
Which is why I think that they are taking Barkley at #2.

Eli is like family?  
NYSports1 : 4/18/2018 2:46 pm : link
So why in god's green earth did Mara tell Reese last year " When are we going to see the other qb's get a shot"

If Mara tells DG to pass on qb because Eli will be butthurt than this team deserves a decade of qb hell
RE: You mean the same ownership  
twostepgiants : 4/18/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13919163 Keith said:
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that basically announced in November that we will start scouting the QB's hard to find Eli's replacement?

Also the same ownership that said he appreciates how teams like the Packers transitioned from one franchise QB to the next?


“There was a directive given several weeks back by co-owner John Mara to start looking closely at the top college quarterbacks, multiple sources told ESPN. This occurred around the time it became apparent that the Giants’ season was headed nowhere, in part, because wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. would be out with a broken ankle.”

People have forgotten this
Another forgotten quote  
twostepgiants : 4/18/2018 2:56 pm : link
“When was the last time we changed a general manager and a head coach in the same year? It was 1979, and there might be another change or two or three happening in the future. For me, that's pretty wholesale."- John Mara

That’s a pretty big hint - combined with the espn piece on college QBs -. 1979 we drafted Simms. GM/HC/QB = wholesale changes
Ownership signed off on his getting benched for Smith  
UberAlias : 4/18/2018 3:13 pm : link
No player is above the team. If they see the next franchise QB sitting there when the pick, they will take him. Don’t kid yourself.
We obviously need to plan for the post-Eli era  
BlackLight : 4/18/2018 3:19 pm : link
But despite popular assumptions, that doesn't mean we absolutely must draft a QB at #2. I think having Eli as the franchise for 15 years has some people assuming our only option is to draft another potential franchise QB.

Jesus..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/18/2018 3:23 pm : link
no wonder he keeps posting that mock trade scenario over and over again!

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JerseyJoe
JonC : 2:35 pm : link : reply
is that you?


Rinse and repeat every year, including this thread that has another "list" of what the Giants need to do.
Is this the guy with fibromyalgia?  
Brown Recluse : 4/18/2018 3:29 pm : link
Praise Jesus.
John Mara confirmed that he suggested to Reese  
aimrocky : 4/18/2018 3:52 pm : link
they start building game film on their backup QB's, after last season went south. Ownership is aware that the end is nearing.

The franchise will always love Eli, but that doesn't mean they'll make a bad decision by hitching their wagons to a 37 year old QB who's on the decline.
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Pep22 : 4/18/2018 4:07 pm : link
So troubling how many on this board are focused on feelings and sentimental bullshit.

Let's hope Gettleman has his eyes on the prize and drafts the right guy rather than catering to the Eli apologists.
RE: John Mara confirmed that he suggested to Reese  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/18/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13919292 aimrocky said:
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they start building game film on their backup QB's, after last season went south. Ownership is aware that the end is nearing.

The franchise will always love Eli, but that doesn't mean they'll make a bad decision by hitching their wagons to a 37 year old QB who's on the decline.


Not saying this is the approach I would take since I want Rosen but We could go slightly later in the draft for a QB we are high on like Lauletta.
Well..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/18/2018 4:15 pm : link
it is the approach you keep taking in that ludicrous mock draft trade scenario you've posted over and over again.

QB with the 5th draft pick - Lauletta
RE: We obviously need to plan for the post-Eli era  
ajr2456 : 4/18/2018 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13919233 BlackLight said:
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But despite popular assumptions, that doesn't mean we absolutely must draft a QB at #2. I think having Eli as the franchise for 15 years has some people assuming our only option is to draft another potential franchise QB.


The best path to winning another Super Bowl is finding the next franchise QB
RE: RE: We obviously need to plan for the post-Eli era  
firedbytheboss : 4/19/2018 1:36 am : link
In comment 13919450 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 13919233 BlackLight said:


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But despite popular assumptions, that doesn't mean we absolutely must draft a QB at #2. I think having Eli as the franchise for 15 years has some people assuming our only option is to draft another potential franchise QB.




The best path to winning another Super Bowl is finding the next franchise QB


amen brother. preach the truth
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