Do you take either one of them?
Jackson could fall due to some recent bad publicity. Rudolph could definitely be there.
Some people believe Rudolph could end up being the best of this QB crop, very underrated.
Meanwhile, imagine Jackson after a year of learning from Eli/Webb/Shurmur, joined up with OBJ, Barkley, Shep, Engram, a much improved o-line by 2019. Wow that would be fun to watch!
My thought is this: maybe betting solely on Webb as the future isn't a great idea. But betting on Webb/Rudolph or Webb/Jackson? And each with 2-3 years experience before having to replace Eli? I might be willing to take that bet considering PS's past success with QBs.
I might get killed for this buy I really believe Jackson can be a great QB in this league IF he is in the right scheme with the right coaching and the right players around him. If he doesn't have that he could be a total bust. I really think with him it's going to be all about the situation he ends up in.
Plus, there are still plenty of holes to fill, and #34 is basically a late first rounder. Much rather them find an offensive guard or maybe a cornerback.
Haha. I definitely think in this scenario we would have to get 2 OL in rounds 3-4. Then every other pick should be best defensive player available.
Are you saying there's no chance Jackson will be available or just that there's no way the Giants would draft him? I could absolutely see him slip out of the first round at this point. Perhaps unlikely but definitely possible.
I'd be furious if they took a qb at the top of rd 2, or at any other point in the draft for that matter.
Barkley is the most overblown prospect I have ever seen.
Barkley is the most overblown prospect I have ever seen.
LOL
Only 2 things to take at #34 -- OL or CB.
QB at #2 makes sense. Two 3rd round picks fighting it out to be the QB feels too much like a Kanell v Brown redux to me.
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... Rosen and one of Guice, Jones, Michel, Penney, Chubb etc
Barkley is the most overblown prospect I have ever seen.
What the fuck is it about certain posters that they only post crap about certain players no matter the subject? This fucking guy hates Barkley. sundayatone posts nothing but slams against Eli.
Who signs up to a message board to post the same thing over and over and over again?
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i would rather have
firedbytheboss : 3:19 pm : link : reply
... Rosen and one of Guice, Jones, Michel, Penney, Chubb etc
Barkley is the most overblown prospect I have ever seen.
What the fuck is it about certain posters that they only post crap about certain players no matter the subject? This fucking guy hates Barkley. sundayatone posts nothing but slams against Eli.
Who signs up to a message board to post the same thing over and over and over again?
I'm convinced that they are bots
Rudolph/Webb/Jackson all have certain traits that garnered 1st-2nd round speculation by several draft pundits. Why is it counterproductive to let 2 of the 3 fight it out for who the successor is going to be to Eli?
People said it was stupid for the Redskins to take Cousins with the 4th round pick in the same draft they took RG3.
The way I see it, high-end competition at the QB spot is never a bad thing.
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i would rather have
firedbytheboss : 3:19 pm : link : reply
... Rosen and one of Guice, Jones, Michel, Penney, Chubb etc
Barkley is the most overblown prospect I have ever seen.
What the fuck is it about certain posters that they only post crap about certain players no matter the subject? This fucking guy hates Barkley. sundayatone posts nothing but slams against Eli.
Who signs up to a message board to post the same thing over and over and over again?
I think firedbytheboss may be Josh Rosen.
Only 2 things to take at #34 -- OL or CB.
Rudolph didnt participate in the combine due to a prior injury so you completely made up that up.
That being said, I dont want unless they want it at 2.
Only 2 things to take at #34 -- OL or CB.
Lol at the stupid level of the wonderlic. I’m imagining teams meeting with him and saying “we love your athletic ability, but we feel based on your psychological testing that you are stupid”
Trade down a few spots if possible... grab Nelson, some extra picks, and have our QB hopefully between one of those two.
That's with all the typically disclaimers... assuming the Giants feel these QBs options at 34 are legit, have a willing trade partner, etc.
To me this sets the team up for long term success, especially with added picks from trading down a bit, and having a HOF-type of o lineman. Believe me, I really like Barkley but as many have mentioned nobody builds a championship team solely around a running back. I would love him any lower (if possible, prob not)... even a little bit, to grab extra high picks.
I’d sign up for that combo.
Webb is enough and if anything the Giants may need an experienced back up
It is not likely that Jackson will be available at the second pick and the Giants have so many more pressing needs than Rudolph
I’d sign up for that combo.
I'd love that too, but any worries about the issues surrounding Jackson's handling of the last couple of months? His mom as his agent is scary.
I like him too, definitely if we take Chubb or Barkley at 2...
I like him too, definitely if we take Chubb or Barkley at 2...
Jackson will be a totally wasted draft pick no matter who takes him and in what round because he will not make it as an NFL QB and he can't play any other position. He would not even by on my draft board.
Rudolph probably doesn't have enough arm to play in the northeast in poor weather conditions. That's on top of the other concerns about him.
The GIANTS will need a 3rd QB for camp, so they should sign a journeyman like Matt Moore, who is still available last I knew, or sign a rookie free agent with a decent arm.
The pts are an outlier. They draft poorly but have the best coaching/qb play in league history to cover it up
And what about the small chance that we could end up seeing Jackson at WR if he didn't become the QB? He's definitely an intriguing football player.
Wasn’t that a problem for the Raiders when they drafted Carr in the second round?
Garrapolo situation too?
Why is that a problem?
It’s a smart move in my book. Why pay some agent $300-500k? Give it to Mom.
Nothing tricky about the rookie deal. Bring in an attorney and his Mom can handle it.
I don’t see any off the field stuff to worry about with Jackson.
I just don't feel like he's the type of QB NYG is interested in.
Why is that a problem?
It’s a smart move in my book. Why pay some agent $300-500k? Give it to Mom.
Nothing tricky about the rookie deal. Bring in an attorney and his Mom can handle it.
I don’t see any off the field stuff to worry about with Jackson.
She's technically not his agent, she can't negotiate his contract with the team.
She can only be involved with Marketing deals and such.
She's more of his advisor and he's agentless.
He ain’t the first.
Flowers didn’t have an agent. You don’t need one with the rookie deal.
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doubtful until 3rd round tho.
good info. So are hearing word in QBs now, or just no word on top QB prospects?
Still no word on top QBs, Uber. Things should begin to heat up soon.