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CMicks3110 : 4/18/2018 9:34 pm
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Submitted 59 minutes ago by standingnamelessmonstr

Tony Pauline on WGR reports that the bills and Giants have an agreement in principle for the number two overall pick. He said that the Giants are waiting until they see who would drop to number two before they pull the trigger with the bills.

Sounds like if Browns take Allen the Giants will stay put at 2 and take Darnold, IMO
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I'm still waiting...  
Nysportsfn13 : 4/18/2018 11:15 pm : link
For Norwell to sign with the Giants like Tony said was a done deal..
RE: I don't think  
firedbytheboss : 4/18/2018 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13919782 Eman11 said:
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The Jets have all those picks to offer. So like I said, make them sweat it out and if they get antsy that's the asking price and go from there.


cmon man. The Jets aren't sweating anything. They moved th three thinking they will get the third qb off the board. The jets will be happy with Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. Maybe even Allen. Use your head.
RE: If we give the opportunity for Cleveland  
firedbytheboss : 4/18/2018 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13919755 SHO'NUFF said:
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to draft Barkley @ #4, they will. Too risky for me.


jeez.. forget about Barkley. He isn't worth this much agita. He's just a back man. There's a good chance Guice or Michel or Jones will be better. The Barkley hysteria is out of control.
RE: RE: If we give the opportunity for Cleveland  
arcarsenal : 4/18/2018 11:24 pm : link
In comment 13919790 firedbytheboss said:
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to draft Barkley @ #4, they will. Too risky for me.



jeez.. forget about Barkley. He isn't worth this much agita. He's just a back man. There's a good chance Guice or Michel or Jones will be better. The Barkley hysteria is out of control.


Not as out of control as your bizarre obsession with posting about him over and over and over again... but carry on.
RE: RE: I don't think  
Eman11 : 4/18/2018 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13919789 firedbytheboss said:
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The Jets have all those picks to offer. So like I said, make them sweat it out and if they get antsy that's the asking price and go from there.



cmon man. The Jets aren't sweating anything. They moved th three thinking they will get the third qb off the board. The jets will be happy with Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. Maybe even Allen. Use your head.


Do you really think the Jets traded up just to settle on whichever QB drops to them? I don't. I think they definitely have a target, and at worst have a plan B, but not a C.

Plus if it's a Division rival jumping them they can't be thrilled at that. It could very well make them get antsy and the trade would be a way for them to definitely get their guy and block a Division rival.

Maybe the Giants can't get their 2019 #1, but they sure could start with that asking price.

RE: RE: RE: If we give the opportunity for Cleveland  
firedbytheboss : 4/18/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13919791 arcarsenal said:
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to draft Barkley @ #4, they will. Too risky for me.



jeez.. forget about Barkley. He isn't worth this much agita. He's just a back man. There's a good chance Guice or Michel or Jones will be better. The Barkley hysteria is out of control.



Not as out of control as your bizarre obsession with posting about him over and over and over again... but carry on.


haha cmon you have to admit the constant hyperventilating and reading of tea leaves at every utterance "means it is gonna be Barkley" or "we can still get Barkley" or "then we trade up and get Barkley" it's just plain stupid. It's like these guys never watched a game of football. "OMG he's the next Barry Sanders" Guess what, Barry Sanders was an awesome back but he never won shit. Most of the great backs didn't win much. QBs win Super Bowls. Not RBs.
Giants aren't trading down to 12  
Nysportsfn13 : 4/18/2018 11:31 pm : link
And missing out on any top prospect they could get mainly Barkley, Chubb or Nelson.

The Giants Bills talk is about as likely as the talk about Odell was.
RE: RE: RE: I don't think  
firedbytheboss : 4/18/2018 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13919792 Eman11 said:
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The Jets have all those picks to offer. So like I said, make them sweat it out and if they get antsy that's the asking price and go from there.



cmon man. The Jets aren't sweating anything. They moved th three thinking they will get the third qb off the board. The jets will be happy with Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. Maybe even Allen. Use your head.



Do you really think the Jets traded up just to settle on whichever QB drops to them? I don't. I think they definitely have a target, and at worst have a plan B, but not a C.

Plus if it's a Division rival jumping them they can't be thrilled at that. It could very well make them get antsy and the trade would be a way for them to definitely get their guy and block a Division rival.

Maybe the Giants can't get their 2019 #1, but they sure could start with that asking price.


look I wouldnt do this trade WITH the Bills 2019 #1. So if the Giants do this trade without it, I think they are as dumb as shit.

As for the Jets, I don't think they are sweating this. I think they want Rosen or Mayfield. So Buffalo jumps ahead for either Allen or Rosen (would be my guess). So the Jets will get Rosen or Mayfield. I don't think they give a ransom to go from 3 to 2. Yea maybe a second round pick.
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Eman11 : 4/18/2018 11:41 pm : link
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The Jets have all those picks to offer. So like I said, make them sweat it out and if they get antsy that's the asking price and go from there.



cmon man. The Jets aren't sweating anything. They moved th three thinking they will get the third qb off the board. The jets will be happy with Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. Maybe even Allen. Use your head.



Do you really think the Jets traded up just to settle on whichever QB drops to them? I don't. I think they definitely have a target, and at worst have a plan B, but not a C.

Plus if it's a Division rival jumping them they can't be thrilled at that. It could very well make them get antsy and the trade would be a way for them to definitely get their guy and block a Division rival.

Maybe the Giants can't get their 2019 #1, but they sure could start with that asking price.




look I wouldnt do this trade WITH the Bills 2019 #1. So if the Giants do this trade without it, I think they are as dumb as shit.

As for the Jets, I don't think they are sweating this. I think they want Rosen or Mayfield. So Buffalo jumps ahead for either Allen or Rosen (would be my guess). So the Jets will get Rosen or Mayfield. I don't think they give a ransom to go from 3 to 2. Yea maybe a second round pick.


I agree with you about who the Jets want. I think it's one of those two as well.

The thing is though this is just speculation with another week to go and who knows how it shakes out? What if the Browns fool everyone and grab either Rosen or Mayfield? With Buffalo knocking on the Giants door for the #2, I think the Jets could very well get antsy.

That's really the only point I was trying to make. Not that I think it would happen only that it could, and if so I'd ask for that 2019 #1 and go from there.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't think  
firedbytheboss : 4/18/2018 11:47 pm : link
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The Jets have all those picks to offer. So like I said, make them sweat it out and if they get antsy that's the asking price and go from there.



cmon man. The Jets aren't sweating anything. They moved th three thinking they will get the third qb off the board. The jets will be happy with Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. Maybe even Allen. Use your head.



Do you really think the Jets traded up just to settle on whichever QB drops to them? I don't. I think they definitely have a target, and at worst have a plan B, but not a C.

Plus if it's a Division rival jumping them they can't be thrilled at that. It could very well make them get antsy and the trade would be a way for them to definitely get their guy and block a Division rival.

Maybe the Giants can't get their 2019 #1, but they sure could start with that asking price.




look I wouldnt do this trade WITH the Bills 2019 #1. So if the Giants do this trade without it, I think they are as dumb as shit.

As for the Jets, I don't think they are sweating this. I think they want Rosen or Mayfield. So Buffalo jumps ahead for either Allen or Rosen (would be my guess). So the Jets will get Rosen or Mayfield. I don't think they give a ransom to go from 3 to 2. Yea maybe a second round pick.



I agree with you about who the Jets want. I think it's one of those two as well.

The thing is though this is just speculation with another week to go and who knows how it shakes out? What if the Browns fool everyone and grab either Rosen or Mayfield? With Buffalo knocking on the Giants door for the #2, I think the Jets could very well get antsy.

That's really the only point I was trying to make. Not that I think it would happen only that it could, and if so I'd ask for that 2019 #1 and go from there.


yea never hurts to ask. I guess we dont know what any of these teams is going to do. If Cleveland go Mayfield that would be a shocker. But it's possible the Giants will take Mayfield I guess and therefore if the Browns love him they have to take him first or risk losing him. I for one think the Giants should take Rosen and I think they will. There just hasnt been enough chatter about Rosen and I think it is strange since they met with him as much or more than they have with all the other qbs.
RE: The Bills are desperate  
Kev in Cali : 4/18/2018 11:54 pm : link
In comment 13919740 larryflower37 said:
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You take the whole draft and 1st next year.
Why would the Giants agree in principle when you can make them sweat it out and get more.
Tell them call us when we are on the clock and maybe we can talk
Buffalo fans/writers are reaching for hope because the team is really desperate.


Bills won 9 games, we won 3.....who's desperate?????
RE: RE: The Bills are desperate  
firedbytheboss : 4/19/2018 12:16 am : link
In comment 13919808 Kev in Cali said:
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You take the whole draft and 1st next year.
Why would the Giants agree in principle when you can make them sweat it out and get more.
Tell them call us when we are on the clock and maybe we can talk
Buffalo fans/writers are reaching for hope because the team is really desperate.



Bills won 9 games, we won 3.....who's desperate?????


hahahaahah... thank you for the proper reality check!!

RE: RE: The Bills are desperate  
.McL. : 4/19/2018 1:36 am : link
In comment 13919808 Kev in Cali said:
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You take the whole draft and 1st next year.
Why would the Giants agree in principle when you can make them sweat it out and get more.
Tell them call us when we are on the clock and maybe we can talk
Buffalo fans/writers are reaching for hope because the team is really desperate.



Bills won 9 games, we won 3.....who's desperate?????

In case you didn't notice, the Bills traded away anything that even resembled a QB that was on their roster.
RE: RE: RE: The Bills are desperate  
firedbytheboss : 4/19/2018 1:40 am : link
In comment 13919840 .McL. said:
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You take the whole draft and 1st next year.
Why would the Giants agree in principle when you can make them sweat it out and get more.
Tell them call us when we are on the clock and maybe we can talk
Buffalo fans/writers are reaching for hope because the team is really desperate.



Bills won 9 games, we won 3.....who's desperate?????


In case you didn't notice, the Bills traded away anything that even resembled a QB that was on their roster.


but they added AJ Mc and they are going to add a QB. Even if they dont jump up and get one of the top-4 (which I am confident they will - i think at worst they will deal with the Browns at 4) they can add Lamar or Mason with one of their late firsts.
RE: don't you think they also have a deal in principle with  
.McL. : 4/19/2018 1:51 am : link
In comment 13919730 V.I.G. said:
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the broncos and the dolphins and the bills and the cardinals


^^^^ This
Its about getting the most value out of the pick, no matter what you chose to do. Be prepared for all scenarios. If the decision is to trade back, then you need to have the frameworks of the deals already prepared, and then sell the pick to the highest bidder at the last moment creating a sense of urgency which also increases the perceived value.
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.McL. : 4/19/2018 1:53 am : link
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You take the whole draft and 1st next year.
Why would the Giants agree in principle when you can make them sweat it out and get more.
Tell them call us when we are on the clock and maybe we can talk
Buffalo fans/writers are reaching for hope because the team is really desperate.



Bills won 9 games, we won 3.....who's desperate?????


In case you didn't notice, the Bills traded away anything that even resembled a QB that was on their roster.



but they added AJ Mc and they are going to add a QB. Even if they dont jump up and get one of the top-4 (which I am confident they will - i think at worst they will deal with the Browns at 4) they can add Lamar or Mason with one of their late firsts.


Yes they did... But I agree, I don't think they have any intention of going into the season with just AJM as a viable option.
Future picks  
Jay in Toronto : 4/19/2018 6:27 am : link
Pat has a good article on the challenge of signing lots of picks this year, so a boat lead of picks should include future picks.
RE: Say we do indeed  
Ed A. : 4/19/2018 6:52 am : link
In comment 13919728 TommyWiseau said:
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drop to 12 and 22, what else do you think will be included in the package? Honestly I will only think about it if we get 12, 22, 53, 56, 65 and a first next year. To me that is the starting point. The Jets traded pick 37, 49 and a 2nd next year to move up only 3 spots and we would be moving down 9 and letting Buffalo jump their division rival.

Who would be our targets at 12 and 22?


I totally agree with your package of return. Giants are giving up an opportunity to choose a blue chip player and Bills will pick in front of the Jets. With the franchise QB Bills will get, next years No. 1 will be a low pick. I wouldn't do it for any less.
I don't think they trade further than #5  
JonC : 4/19/2018 7:18 am : link
if at all.
RE: I don't think they trade further than #5  
Sean : 4/19/2018 7:27 am : link
In comment 13919920 JonC said:
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if at all.


Agreed. I donít think they are trading down at all.
RE: I don't think they trade further than #5  
Eman11 : 4/19/2018 7:30 am : link
In comment 13919920 JonC said:
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if at all.


That's my thinking as well.

DG has a top QB in mind and if he's there, he most likely takes him. If not he takes who he thinks is the highest rated non QB in the draft.
Yup, blue chip talent is so hard to find at this level  
JonC : 4/19/2018 7:32 am : link
and to get it on rookie contract scale is hard to surrender.

For me, the question is Barkley or Chubb, if Darnold is gone.
RE: DaddyM89 reported this some time ago and was blasted  
Milton : 4/19/2018 7:33 am : link
In comment 13919677 Saos1n said:
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He took the lashings like a man, but he may still have hope..
That's not what he reported (he said the trade was going to happen that night or the next day) and I don't recall him taking much of a lashing.
RE: Yup, blue chip talent is so hard to find at this level  
Milton : 4/19/2018 7:48 am : link
In comment 13919929 JonC said:
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and to get it on rookie contract scale is hard to surrender.

For me, the question is Barkley or Chubb, if Darnold is gone.
For me it's how far should they trade down if Rosen is gone. The good news is that it's not very likely that Rosen will be gone, but it is possible, so the Giants need to have a contingency plan in place.
Rosen will be there  
JonC : 4/19/2018 7:51 am : link
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To trade w the Bills, I'd demand  
Pep22 : 4/19/2018 8:00 am : link
6 premium assets i.e.

RD1, pick 12
RD1, pick 22
RD2, pick 53
RD3, pick 65 (1st pick of RD3)
Next years RD1 pick
Nate Peterman (because they have McCarron + the QB at 2 and it gives NYG two bites of the proverbial QB apple with the most likely scenario being Webb is heir to Eli throne and Peterman being his back-up)

Then the draft might look something like this:

RD1 12: RT Mike McGlinchey
RD1 22: LG Isiah Wynn
RD2 34: CB Isiah Oliver
RD2 53: RB Rashard Penny
RD3 65: WR Equanameous St. Brown
RD3 66: FS Armani Watts
RD3 69: LB Darius Leonard
RD4 108: DE Duke Ejoifor
RD5 139: RG Tony Adams

plus 2 # 1s next year.

..........  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 4/19/2018 8:03 am : link
I'm split on trading down with the Bills.

If the Gmen don't get a QB, they'll find themselves in a similar situation that the Bills are in the future. A with some offensive pieces without a QB, that have to trade a way a ton of resources to get within the range of a potential franchise QB in the draft.

On the the other hand, you'd be betting on the Bills being cellar dwellers next season, so any picks you acquire will very likely be within range for a QB next season

I don't think Buffalo is desperate enough  
JonC : 4/19/2018 8:04 am : link
to offer up three #1 picks and more.
RE: I don't think Buffalo is desperate enough  
Pep22 : 4/19/2018 8:11 am : link
In comment 13919957 JonC said:
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to offer up three #1 picks and more.


That's fine. If not, I walk away and tell them to continue to enjoy playing with the caliber of QB they've had essentially since Jim Kelly.
While we'd all love the booty you propose  
JonC : 4/19/2018 8:16 am : link
it's not realistic, is the point.
RE: While we'd all love the booty you propose  
GFAN52 : 4/19/2018 8:21 am : link
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it's not realistic, is the point.


I agree. As fans we always ask for a haul of picks.
My problem would  
joeinpa : 4/19/2018 8:25 am : link
Be that reportedly there is a precipitous drop in talent in this draft in after the mid 20 s

Is it wise to miss out on a blue chip talent for more picks in the 2 and 3rd rounds?
RE: Rosen will be there  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/19/2018 8:36 am : link
In comment 13919946 JonC said:
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You thinking that's the pick?
No  
JonC : 4/19/2018 8:46 am : link
I think it's Darnold, or choice of Barkley or Chubb if the QB's gone. But, I should hear something eventually.
Picks 12, 22, 53, 56, 65  
jeff57 : 4/19/2018 8:47 am : link
Would give the Giants 8 of the top 69 picks.
I wouldn't doubt that many of the top teams  
Mike from Ohio : 4/19/2018 8:50 am : link
work out a framework to trade back with interested teams before the draft because doing it while you are on the clock is difficult. I also wouldn't be surprised if they have one or two others in place, not because they necessarily want to trade back, but because there is still a week left before the draft and having options is good.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 4/19/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 13919979 joeinpa said:
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Be that reportedly there is a precipitous drop in talent in this draft in after the mid 20 s



I don't think that's accurate in the general sense. It's specific to what positions you're looking at. There will absolutely be high quality talent past pick 20 if you're looking for cornerbacks, for example.
RE: My problem would  
JonC : 4/19/2018 8:58 am : link
In comment 13919979 joeinpa said:
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Be that reportedly there is a precipitous drop in talent in this draft in after the mid 20 s

Is it wise to miss out on a blue chip talent for more picks in the 2 and 3rd rounds?


Most analysts feel there's only 6-8 blue chips, depending how they grade the QBs. So, the drop in terms of how it could impact NYG starts around picks 6-8.
OL, LB, RB and CB are deep  
jeff57 : 4/19/2018 9:01 am : link
All positions of need for the Giants.
The Giants are going to take a QB in the first round  
AnnapolisMike : 4/19/2018 9:13 am : link
The million dollar questions are who and where?

My guess is that if Darnold is off the board or they do not love any of the QB's...they try and trade back. I do think they like Rosen enough to draft him in the first round...just not at #2. So do this trade with the Bills and drop back. If a QB they like gets past #5...they can trade back up to grab him.

There is no reason to believe that the Giants can't trade with the Bills and slide back up into a top 10 position and take a guy they like. Who my guess would be Rosen.
RE: The Giants are going to take a QB in the first round  
jeff57 : 4/19/2018 9:15 am : link
In comment 13920084 AnnapolisMike said:
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The million dollar questions are who and where?

My guess is that if Darnold is off the board or they do not love any of the QB's...they try and trade back. I do think they like Rosen enough to draft him in the first round...just not at #2. So do this trade with the Bills and drop back. If a QB they like gets past #5...they can trade back up to grab him.

There is no reason to believe that the Giants can't trade with the Bills and slide back up into a top 10 position and take a guy they like. Who my guess would be Rosen.


Gambling that Rosen, or any of the top 4 QBs, will be there at 12 is a very risky bet. They could drop to 5. But that's it.
RE: I don't think they trade further than #5  
AcidTest : 4/19/2018 9:44 am : link
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if at all.


Agreed. I still think the mostly scenario is that they take Darnold or Barkley, in that order. But the most they will do is drop down to five to ensure that they get one of Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson.
RE: No  
MetsAreBack : 4/19/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13920000 JonC said:
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I think it's Darnold, or choice of Barkley or Chubb if the QB's gone. But, I should hear something eventually.


That would be unfortunate. Nothing against you, but there's absolutely nothing to be gained from the team providing you, or any fan, in on their strategy. Reese's inability to keep things in-house was a huge detriment in recent years.

Anyway, i'm with you.. i'd certainly open to trading down, but i covet that 5th pick... not the 12th. Give me Nelson or Barkley at #5 and two extra 2nds (one this year, one next) and maybe their 4th rounder ... to move down those 3 spots to get the guy i wanted anyway... and I'm happy.

But, I'm also guessing Denver is ultimately comfortable to stay at 5 and see what Keenum gives them this year while letting one of their younger QBs learn on the sidelines.
So much depends on whether  
Jay in Toronto : 4/19/2018 11:24 am : link
Cleveland, Giants, Jets, Broncos, Bills etc have a singular conviction on "a" quarterback who is "the" QB.
I  
AcidTest : 4/19/2018 11:47 am : link
don't see Denver as a trading partner. I think they're perfectly content to remain at #5, especially since Rosen is likely to still be available. If the Giants want to trade down, they'll probably have to drop out of the top 10, which is unlikely. Gentleman has never traded down. "Don't get cute." The offer would have to be ridiculous. Given what teams do to get a franchise QB, that's certainly possible, but still not very realistic. Add it all up, and I think the Giants stay at #2, and take Darnold, or if he's gone, Barkley.
JonC, the good news is that at least one of the qbs picked...  
manh george : 4/19/2018 12:06 pm : link
in the top 6-8 will probably not be part of the definition of a Blue Chip. So, 5-7 blue chips would mean one being available at least to 6, possibly to 8, and 6-8 blue chips would put one at 7, possibly to 9.

This year I am a very big fan of trading down for that reason. At 7, for example, we would add a bunch of picks plus salary cap room vs. staying at 2, and still probably get a blue chip. Something like 7 plus mid-20s plus more down the line plus something next year would provide a very nice haul.I think there is a very good chance Nelson is still on the board at 7. Also Denzel Ward, the consensus best cb, Fitzpatrick and Tremain Edwwards. Edwards is a giant of a kid who could fit perfectly on the edge in a 3-4--6 4 1/2, 253 and only 19 years old.

Plus, Gettleman likes to use picks to move up within a round. Trading down in round one could help with that.
george  
JonC : 4/19/2018 12:29 pm : link
Good to see you posting. If they don't pick Chubb at #2, watch and see if they try to trade up from #34 for a prospect such as Marcus Davenport, or pick in a trade down like you suggested.

Not so sure DG will pick a CB high tho, he seems to devalue the position when it comes time to pay them a second pro contract. Definitely could use one in the pipeline.
JonC, do you have an e-mail address for me since I left Citi?  
manh george : 4/19/2018 8:11 pm : link
Probably not. If not, I will reach out to Eric and get yours.

A couple of things to chat about. I am starting to write a book.
hey george  
JonC : 4/20/2018 8:50 am : link
I just checked and only have the old citi address. Eric will connect us, I want to hear about the book and your latest Scotch adventures.
JonC  
manh george : 4/21/2018 11:53 am : link
Left them a message to get me the e-mail.
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