Accorsi says Eli Manning has at least two years left...

Going back to that Eagles game as an indicator is cherry picking to say the least.

if we use our eyes to see the entire 2017 season, and the two seasons before it.

There's no question about that. But once again, anyone judging what Eli CAN and CANNOT do based on last year is just being homerish on their views.

1. Injuries
2. Horrible team chmistry
3. Incompetent coach
4. Predictable offense

I mean again, his WRs for the last game was Sharp, Rudolph, and Bundy. Yeah, not good.

He will get a chance to redeem himself this year with healthy players, a new coach, a new offense. If he succeeds - great. If he is done - then play a young guy.

Its really that simple.

they rank the QB's than anything else. Manning may have something left in the tank, but older QB's fall off a cliff pretty quickly. Again, if they they really have a high grade on 2 of these QB's, then I'd hope they pull the trigger.

from Mara to Gettleman to Shurmer to Accorsi to Gilbride to Greg Cossell....

and yet BBI still refuses to believe it.

but do you really think he can be definitively judged either way with the surrounding cast plus shit scheme the last two years...?

In comment 13920055 Britt in VA said:

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from Mara to Gettleman to Shurmer to Accorsi to Gilbride to Greg Cossell.... and yet BBI still refuses to believe it.

Actually, I'd guess more than half of BBI agrees with the above aforementioned.

I don't hold his performance against him last year or the year prior.

I wonder if PS and DS have will modify what he is doing now mechanically. I remember that BM changed his whole drop back and foot work. I don't remember which pre- season it was 2 years ago? We couldn't even score a TD with BM offense in pre season no less.. ugh..

already has dementia since he's several years older than Gettleman and DG is too old to be an effective GM apparently

but it's clear to me he's begun to miss throws he used to make routinely.

Bottom line is he's 37, there's no better time to draft his successor than now, if you believe that prospect is there.

In comment 13920062 barens said:

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In comment 13920055 Britt in VA said: Quote: from Mara to Gettleman to Shurmer to Accorsi to Gilbride to Greg Cossell.... and yet BBI still refuses to believe it. Actually, I'd guess more than half of BBI agrees with the above aforementioned.

Probably true, the silent majority.

Many people included video. He was moving, with lots of pressure, shufflin' his feat so he was in position to launch a pass with zip. He was fearless, I remember watching those games and KNOWING he was going to come through. I have not felt that way in a LONG time. He is not the same guy anymore. He could still win in the perfect situation but so can rookies or journeyman. I hope Shurmur can magically turn back time for Eli, a 3rd ring for Eli would the holy grail. I hope, but I don't see it at all.

and plenty of others in the know suggesting they're wrong, it's not all tilted one way or the other.

on QBs if you ask me.

2016 is the business model in which you can still win with Eli for another 1-2 years.

the decision shouldn't be made when he's 39, if it can be avoided.

But, 2 years is perfect timing for getting our new Franchise QB up to speed.

Now draft a quarterback in case you are wrong. Worse case scenario, young guy sits for two years. That s the way it used to be and even recently has worked ok.

Eli can maintain the same level of play that he has achieved since ‘12, he probably has 5 years left . The problem is he has not been good enough for quite sometime . Obviously getting better players around him can only help maximize what he has left . But that doesn’t mean that they can’t do better than what he has left. And it doesn’t even broach the issue of the 20 million .

expect any of these people to say Eli sucks? Everybody will say he has time left regardless if they think it or not.

In comment 13920042 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Going back to that Eagles game as an indicator is cherry picking to say the least.

No its not. When you are evaluating someone's potential, their best moments to see what they are capable of. I'm sure he looked at Arizona too. I'm sure he's seen every game. So has Pat Shurmur...and he's not an idiot. Obviously, there are many variables to consider in every situation...but anyone who expects a quarterback to play champtionship football when as a team you only rush for 43 yards on 20 carries and your leading receiver is your blocking tight end with 60 yards...is kidding themselves.

Is Eli the same QB he was 10 years ago? Probably not. 10 years is a long time. Can he still play *winning* football with a good supporting cast of offensive linemen that doesn't leave him on his back within 2 seconds of hiking the ball and recievers that get open? Of course.

With Giants

...at least 2 premium offensive lineman for our aging, jittery QB.

In comment 13920057 JCin332 said:

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but do you really think he can be definitively judged either way with the surrounding cast plus shit scheme the last two years...?

Why can't you? You can evaluate any position independent of the players around him.

A good runningback playing behind a bad offensive line can be evaluated on how he reads his blocks, for example. His abilty to cut and accelerate, or run routes. A WR playing without a quality QB can be evaluated on his ability to beat coverage, his ball skills, route running/. A LT playing on a bad team can be evaluated, and so on, etc.

Just because the scheme is bad and the WRs are bad doesn't mean you can't focus on a QB's play. Is he making correct reads, is he throwing good, catchable, well-timed passes? Plenty of things in football are reliant on the sum of the team, but single-player evaluations happen all the time.

they wouldn't say anything differently out loud, especially now because it serves no actual purpose.

There are loud people shouting that Eli is done. There are loud people shouting Eli can play effectively for the next 5 years. There are numerous people in both camps. They just always think they are the minority.

The actual minority opinion is that there is a middle ground. Eli is still effective, but the window is closing and his play is dropping off, and not only due to the line and the talent around him.

implode if the Giants do no select Barkley, especially if Darnold is taken #1 overall.

That's why Mara allowed him to be benched and told the scouts to start scouting QBs.

Take away the bias towards Eli and it's plain as day to see he's not far from being finished. People keep citing the Eagles game. So he played 1 good game out of 15 and we should keep him around for 2 more years at 22 and 23 million a year? No thanks!

In comment 13920085 ZogZerg said:

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But, 2 years is perfect timing for getting our new Franchise QB up to speed.

Not really, because you lose half the fundamental benefit of having a low cost QB on roster. The CBA gives 4 very low cost controlled year, and one moderate additional year.

No team going to eat $23,200,000 the following year when they can save $17,000,000 of it, with a viable option on the bench. At most any 1st round QB is going to sit a year.

trading up for a QB, yet the Giants may be fully committing to Eli. 2 different mindsets & Brady is off back to back SB’s.

haven't done a full evaluation of all the data and would risk it all on the Eagles game tape...?

Why don't we use the playoff game @ Green Bay? Not that long ago now, 15 months to be exact.

Anyone want to guess who the best player on the field for NYG was that day?

The window is no longer 3-5 years, but there is still a window. This would have been proven true if Eli was made available. Teams like Jax, Denver, Minnesota all would have pounced.

In comment 13920055 Britt in VA said:

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from Mara to Gettleman to Shurmer to Accorsi to Gilbride to Greg Cossell.... and yet BBI still refuses to believe it.

Because we watch the games and see it's clearly not true.

I love Eli, but the dude is pretty close to cooked.

In comment 13920146 Chris684 said:

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Why don't we use the playoff game @ Green Bay? Not that long ago now, 15 months to be exact. Anyone want to guess who the best player on the field for NYG was that day? The window is no longer 3-5 years, but there is still a window. This would have been proven true if Eli was made available. Teams like Jax, Denver, Minnesota all would have pounced.

Sorry, no team is trading for Eli considering his contract.

Jax would not have pounced, Minnesota would not have pounced. Maybe Denver would have made a trade.

But I would be shocked if they think that planning the foreseeable future of the organization around Eli is a sound move.

With all due respect to him and his huge brass balls, Eli just isn't that good (and really, I love the guy). Six playoff appearances with four one-and-dones in fourteen seasons? He didn't exactly light it up even in his prime.

They talk about the Philly game and use the word "mirage," which suggests the rest of his season was a desert. And let's face it, it kinda was. The offense hasn't functioned well for years, and much of the blame goes to him.

And now you want to believe that they're not going to take a QB even with this golden opportunity because they think Eli has at most two more years of maddeningly frustrating play? Please.

They can say it all they want - it certainly behooves them to say it. And even if they actually mean it, I've seen every play of his career and I'm sorry but I'm just not buying it.

In comment 13920147 Sonic Youth said:

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In comment 13920055 Britt in VA said: Quote: from Mara to Gettleman to Shurmer to Accorsi to Gilbride to Greg Cossell.... and yet BBI still refuses to believe it. Because we watch the games and see it's clearly not true. I love Eli, but the dude is pretty close to cooked.

Lol you watch the games but they dont...doesnt that sound a bit ridiculous...

In comment 13920046 JonC said:

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if we use our eyes to see the entire 2017 season, and the two seasons before it.

Huh? He was a Pro Bowler in 2015...

In comment 13920103 mattyblue said:

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expect any of these people to say Eli sucks? Everybody will say he has time left regardless if they think it or not.

Not really. There is a pretty obvious difference between how Reese viewed Eli and how the current regime views Eli based on their respective commentary.

when did that happen?

Because he hasn't played that way for quite some time now. Granted, he has some very legitimate excuses for playing poorly, but that doesn't change the fact that everybody is being put in the position of having to guess on a 37 year old QB. Being overly optimistic about that projection and basing your decisions off that can be dangerous.

this is the most compelling, dangerous piece of news we’ve seen in weeks.

Why? Because if Accorsi is thinking this, I GUARANTEE the rest of Jints Central is thinking this - from that dingbat Mara to our near septuagenarian GM.

Accorsi is Mara’s warm blanket. He’s Mara’s safe space.

This clearly signals to me the clown show at Jints Central misses a golden opportunity and drafts Barkley.

is increasing, and hit an ugly high in 2017. It's not all on Eli, due to injuries, system and character problems etc, but he was part of the problem.

He's 37, the window is closing because Father Time says so. It doesn't mean he can't be effective and win some football games, but wagering he's got enough to win a Super Bowl doesn't compute for me.

doomed

Agreed, it seems rather clear to me.

Why does that one game outweigh all the others? Not that I expect anybody to publicly knock Eli, but can we come up with some new material at least?

377-598
63% completion
4027 yards
26 TDs
16 picks
11-5 team record

Eli has always had a penchant for throwing a high ball especially when under duress. However, they were usually well timed throws. The last few years he has 3-4 throws per game that are overthrown because he is anticipating pressure that isn't there yet. If he holds the ball for that extra second, he would have the completion and a big gain.

In a nutshell, he's feeling pressure that's not there. However I'm confident Shurmur can work with him. If Eli plays well, he stays for another year. If he doesn't perform, then he will be traded or released.

In comment 13920046 JonC said:

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if we use our eyes to see the entire 2017 season, and the two seasons before it.

He had a horrible offensive line and no running game though.
I think he's saying if Eli has really good talent around him...he can win.

The biggest issue is feeling pressure that's not there. A function of playing behind dog shit for years.

by saying Eli still has game left, is this a shot at the prior management and coaching system for failing in developing gameplans and player adeuqately?

I mean we all can say Eli is in decline because he is. But was his decline the last two years because of physical skills or McAdoos pathetic offense and Reese's inability to develop an OL?

If Eli comes back this year with a 4,000 yard and 30 TD season - does that mean he is done?

So now Eli had a good 2016. This is why you can't have reasonable conversations about Eli.