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| When it comes down to it Josh Rosen sits atop my quarterback board for a number of reasons, but chief among them is scheme diversity. With some of the other quarterbacks in this class there are some scheme limitations that could create a narrower path to NFL success, but I do not see that with Rosen. He is accurate to all levels, he can deliver throws with velocity to all levels, he can throw the deep ball, and has the quick processing capacity to operate in a West Coast system. You name it, he can run it. The main “on-the-field” knock on Rosen is his percieved inability to create outside of the pocket, evade pressure and/or properly respond to pressure. While he cannot create like a Baker Mayfield, while he lacks the flashy athleticism of a Lamar Jackson, I would not sell Rosen short in terms of his footwork. A former elite tennis player in high school, Rosen has the ability to move, slide and climb around the pocket to extend plays and create enough space to get off throws. No one would consider Tom Brady an elite athlete, but it’s Brady’s footwork that has kept him playing at a high level into his 40s. Rosen could follow a similar path. Finally, from a mechanical standpoint Rosen is virtually flawless. A clean, crisp delivery that is repeated on every throw. When he is forced off platform, he can still deliver with accuracy and velocity. Unlike, say, Josh Allen, Rosen has every “club in the bag.” Touch, timing, anticipation and placement are present with him. Rosen’s main flaws seem to come from off the field, medical issues and from a personality standpoint. I have not sat down with him. I have not evaluated his medical records or MRIs. But I have evaluated him on tape, and he’s my guy in this class. |
I agree. Concussions aside, I think he should be the pick. It really comes down to what the medical evaluations tell the team about the risks. It's kind of a yes or no proposition -- he's either on the Giants board and then in my view should be the pick in terms of pure QB play or he's entirely off the board because of health concerns. I hope it's the former.
That said, if the Giants go QB in round 1, I think they have to very seriously consider taking a RB in round 2. I just think there are 5 or so RBs in this class that have very high quality talent, and they'll probably all be gone by the time the Giants draft in round 3. Were it not for the importance of the position argument and the "you can get a good RB late in the draft argument," both of which have merit, a few of these guys would have been definite first round prospects in the 90s. I think my sort of dark horse is Nick Chubb. Everyone knows him, but he's fallen behind a lot of other guys. I have a feeling that he's going to be a bigger version of Frank Gore. I'm not sure he quite fits Schurmur's scheme, but they do seem to want to have a legit power back.
Well... "Brett Favre says he suffered ‘probably thousands’ of concussions."
So there's that. He did Ok for himself.
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if he didn't have to 2 concussions this past season.
Well... "Brett Favre says he suffered ‘probably thousands’ of concussions."
So there's that. He did Ok for himself.
Difference being, Favre played through the lions share of his career when hard hits, head shots and concussions were not scrutinized or thought of the way they are today. One hint of a hard/bad hit and a player is taken off the field for concussion protocol today.
Rosen’s floor, I’d he stays healthy is pretty high.
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so important that I'd draft him ahead of Barkley if it weren't for the two concussions.
I agree. Concussions aside, I think he should be the pick. It really comes down to what the medical evaluations tell the team about the risks. It's kind of a yes or no proposition -- he's either on the Giants board and then in my view should be the pick in terms of pure QB play or he's entirely off the board because of health concerns. I hope it's the former.
That said, if the Giants go QB in round 1, I think they have to very seriously consider taking a RB in round 2. I just think there are 5 or so RBs in this class that have very high quality talent, and they'll probably all be gone by the time the Giants draft in round 3. Were it not for the importance of the position argument and the "you can get a good RB late in the draft argument," both of which have merit, a few of these guys would have been definite first round prospects in the 90s. I think my sort of dark horse is Nick Chubb. Everyone knows him, but he's fallen behind a lot of other guys. I have a feeling that he's going to be a bigger version of Frank Gore. I'm not sure he quite fits Schurmur's scheme, but they do seem to want to have a legit power back.
No RB in rd 2. The RB won't have a hole to run to. You go OLine rd 2. DT and more than likely CB rd 3.
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if he didn't have to 2 concussions this past season.
Well... "Brett Favre says he suffered ‘probably thousands’ of concussions."
So there's that. He did Ok for himself.
But the protocol is much stricter now, potentially keeping Rosen out of games when it didn't with Favre.
I like Rosen, but it's a legitimate concern.
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In comment 13920617 Phil in LA said:
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if he didn't have to 2 concussions this past season.
Well... "Brett Favre says he suffered ‘probably thousands’ of concussions."
So there's that. He did Ok for himself.
But the protocol is much stricter now, potentially keeping Rosen out of games when it didn't with Favre.
I like Rosen, but it's a legitimate concern.
He's still in the top 3-top 5 predicted range. How much of a concern is it really? There's a lot more discussion about the perception of his "attitude" than anything else. I don't think teams are as concerned as observers are. Even those anonymously quoted NFL sources they use to get takes on prospects haven't used that as a point of criticism.