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I want it documented: Who's quitting on Eli?

SHO'NUFF : 4/19/2018 1:15 pm
All you "Draft QB at #2" guys put it in writing. You are all writing Eli off for dead - or, at most, giving him a one year pity fuck.

I say Eli has 3 years of productive football left in him. I say our future franchise QB will still be playing college football next year, if not already on the roster. I say we draft Saquon Barkley to give Eli some F'n help and extend his career.

Put it down in writing, right now, if you have the guts. Giants34 (Greg) already has from another thread.
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Ur mom  
Brown Recluse : 4/19/2018 1:18 pm : link
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I love Eli, he is my favorite Giant ever by a huge margin  
Oscar : 4/19/2018 1:19 pm : link
I guess I am quitting on him though. He’s 37 and has not looked great for a few years. I think it’s possible he could be effective for another year or two but I don’t expect him to be a top-15 QB at this point and I think with a new coach and the #2 pick the time is right to draft a QB if they really believe in one.

In summary I think the smartest thing to do is draft and work towards a future without Eli, not go all in to win with Eli short term. In that sense I am quitting on him. Thanks for the memories E.
There's plenty of documentation on both sides.  
Britt in VA : 4/19/2018 1:19 pm : link
Now we just have to wait and see what happens next year.
I want a QB at 2  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/19/2018 1:21 pm : link
Eli is getting older, and he accounts for a good portion of our cap.

Getting a QB now gets him cost controlled. You can get OBJ his much needed and deserved deal, with that cap space.

If OBJ doesn't work out you can jettison him by the time you have actually pay the QB.

Also, I don't like overpaying an RB. Any RB is basically 1 play away from having his career be over.

Sure Eli could play 3 more years, but milking every last ounce of football out of players is why we got into this current roster mess. It's better to part ways sooner rather then later.
Is hoping they draft a QB so there is a succession plan in  
figgy2989 : 4/19/2018 1:22 pm : link
Place for life after Eli considered quitting?
A lot of dim bulbs  
JonC : 4/19/2018 1:22 pm : link
'round here.
Ummmmm ....  
Beer Man : 4/19/2018 1:23 pm : link
I want Eli as the quarterback of the NYG for 2 more years  
Beezer : 4/19/2018 1:24 pm : link
and a third if it goes that way. One more title. If I could draw it up, he wins this year coming up, or the next, gets ring/trophy No. 3 and rides off to Canton.

Get a run game, shore up the O-line, solidify the D.Z

I give us a shot.

Documented.
I love Eli. Hes my favorite Giant.  
GiantGolfer : 4/19/2018 1:24 pm : link
He's brought us 2 Lombardi's, and he has 2-3 good seasons left in him. We can win with Eli still.

But I want Sam Darnold. I want a future.

Am I quitting on Eli? No. But I want Darnold as a Giant for next 10-15 years.
RE: I love Eli. Hes my favorite Giant.  
BillKo : 4/19/2018 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13920783 GiantGolfer said:
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He's brought us 2 Lombardi's, and he has 2-3 good seasons left in him. We can win with Eli still.

But I want Sam Darnold. I want a future.

Am I quitting on Eli? No. But I want Darnold as a Giant for next 10-15 years.


Exactly where I am...............only replace Darnold with anyone candidate that can give us 10-15.......
Why is wanting to draft a QB considered quitting on Eli?  
LetsGoGiants : 4/19/2018 1:25 pm : link
We're allowed to have a plan in case something doesn't work out...also A rodgers sat behind Favre for 3 years, seemed to work out pretty well for them, no?
I want a QB at #2 and I'm not quitting on Eli  
Geomon : 4/19/2018 1:25 pm : link
This whole either/or thing is fucking stupid. You can believe Eli is what's best for this team right now and still prepare for the future.
From big green interactive, 2005  
jeff57 : 4/19/2018 1:25 pm : link
"I want it documented. All you who quit on Favre by thinking taking Aaron Rodgers was a good move."
Similar to what others have said  
Milton : 4/19/2018 1:26 pm : link
I love Eli, I believe in Eli, but I still want a QB with the #2 pick if there is a guy worthy of it. And I believe there's at least one QB in this draft worthy of it.
The front office failed Eli  
AnnapolisMike : 4/19/2018 1:27 pm : link
for the past 4 years. rat bastards.
I love Eli but put me down for it’s over  
The_Boss : 4/19/2018 1:27 pm : link
He’s been bad and he’s 37 and declining. I highly doubt he’ll be better than a middling starting QB next season. The team likely won’t be any good inside the division and conference as well. The chance, in my opinion, that this year’s edition will be beat out Philly, Dallas, Minnesota, Green Bay, New Orleans, Carolina, Atlanta, and LA (and perhaps Seattle and Detroit) for a playoff spot is remote. I wish they moved Eli but that ship sailed long ago.
Love Eli  
Archer : 4/19/2018 1:27 pm : link
I love Eli but he has a shelf life.
It is likely that Eli will not be the Giants QB in three years.

As others have noted there needs to be a succession plan in place.

I think that there is a whole generation of Giant fans who do not know what it is like not to have an Eli Manning.

It really sucks.
I said this in the other thread  
Giants34 : 4/19/2018 1:27 pm : link
I am no so much quitting on Eli, but I absolutely, unequivocally, want a QB at #2. If Eli happens to play well next year, so be it. But I am not banking on it. So you can mark me down. Giants34 - Greg. I am happy to put my name to it. Give me Rosen!
It s not possible to want a quarterback  
joeinpa : 4/19/2018 1:28 pm : link
And still believe Eli can play.

Umm, ok.
Such a teenage  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2018 1:28 pm : link
girl way to put it. "Who's quitting on Eli"?

WTF.

And wanting it documented like it has some importance or consequence.

who the fuck are you? "I want it documented" - ok chief, we'll document it for you.

It's football, QB's rarely perform at an elite (or even high) level at Eli's age or beyond.

In sports it's better to replace someone a year too early than a year too late - especially your high dollar assets.

He's got 2 years left on his contract extending him beyond then probably guarantees the latter in my statement above this.

You should think about removing the emotional attachment to a 37 year old man.
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Danny Kanell : 4/19/2018 1:28 pm : link
Giving up on Eli and wanting them to draft a QB at 2 can be 2 completely different things.

Jesus Christ.
I cannot imagine there being too many bigger supporters of Eli  
Essex : 4/19/2018 1:30 pm : link
than myself. He is my favorite Giant of all time and he is probably my favorite athlete. And, while I feel bad for him that the incompetence of this organization ruined the "back 9" of his career, I will be on record as saying I think that he is greatly diminished and we should be looking for a replacement. I have no issue giving him this year, but I do not expect great things from him or our team while he still is the qb. I hope he proves me wrong!
Draft  
mattyblue : 4/19/2018 1:30 pm : link
a QB please. I am quitting on Eli. I hope the $20 million he makes a year will make the pain I caused him hurt less. Fully retired in your 30s is so embarrassing
I want them to ride Eli to retirement  
antdog24 : 4/19/2018 1:30 pm : link
and prepare for the future. That being said, I want Barkley but wouldn't throw the remote if they picked Darnold or Rosen.
RE: Such a teenage  
mattyblue : 4/19/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13920805 pjcas18 said:
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girl way to put it. "Who's quitting on Eli"?

WTF.

And wanting it documented like it has some importance or consequence.

who the fuck are you? "I want it documented" - ok chief, we'll document it for you.

It's football, QB's rarely perform at an elite (or even high) level at Eli's age or beyond.

In sports it's better to replace someone a year too early than a year too late - especially your high dollar assets.

He's got 2 years left on his contract extending him beyond then probably guarantees the latter in my statement above this.

You should think about removing the emotional attachment to a 37 year old man.



Hahahaha I love this post!
RE: I love Eli. Hes my favorite Giant.  
Danny Kanell : 4/19/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13920783 GiantGolfer said:
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He's brought us 2 Lombardi's, and he has 2-3 good seasons left in him. We can win with Eli still.

But I want Sam Darnold. I want a future.

Am I quitting on Eli? No. But I want Darnold as a Giant for next 10-15 years.


This pretty much sums my feelings up as well.

But there are a few posters on here that are so blinded by their love of Eli, it's either you're with him or against him. Count the OP and a few others that actually gave this thread legitimacy with a response acknowledging the same (see Britt's post and others etc).
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SHO'NUFF : 4/19/2018 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13920808 Danny Kanell said:
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Giving up on Eli and wanting them to draft a QB at 2 can be 2 completely different things.

Jesus Christ.


No, you're saying it's over and you're willing to go into rebuild mode right now.

What if Eli plays lights out behind Solder and Barkley? You still want to throw him away like yesterday's garbage? Or will you want Eli for yet another year, while our shiny brand new #2 pick rots on the bench?
The old fella  
Lionhart28 : 4/19/2018 1:35 pm : link
still has some fight left. Give me Barkley, OL and defense.
Its not the New York Elis  
twostepgiants : 4/19/2018 1:38 pm : link
Its the New York Giants.

Its not about getting Eli Manning his 3rd SB ring its about getting the Giants their 5th ring.

Drafting a QB at 2 is not about quitting on Eli and you dont draft Saquon to give Eli another chance at a ring.

You have got it all backwards.
Eli for 2 years  
Giantslifer : 4/19/2018 1:39 pm : link
Eli has 2 years in him. Trade down get all the OL/DL/LB help Giants can get over next 2 years.
The statistical difference between Webb and this years crop is minimal. Put Webb in every pre season snap , see if he can play.
The Giants are going to be drafting in the bottom 1/3 next year. That gives the Eli/Webb experiment a season and half to work self out.
There will be "franchise" QB's in next year and every years draft.If you have a superior OL and DL a slightly above average QB works fine.
Remember ELI has never been seen as a top 10 QB. You might say the epitome of a slightly above average QB
This is not a one year fix.
This is one of the weirdest  
Mike from Ohio : 4/19/2018 1:39 pm : link
most childish threads ever started on BBI.

To the OP - you may want to take some time away from sports and focus on some other interests and get some perspective.
This past week has been much more difficult  
aimrocky : 4/19/2018 1:40 pm : link
sorting through the shit for good information. This post is at or near the top of Mount Shitmore.
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Danny Kanell : 4/19/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13920834 SHO'NUFF said:
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In comment 13920808 Danny Kanell said:


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Giving up on Eli and wanting them to draft a QB at 2 can be 2 completely different things.

Jesus Christ.



No, you're saying it's over and you're willing to go into rebuild mode right now.

What if Eli plays lights out behind Solder and Barkley? You still want to throw him away like yesterday's garbage? Or will you want Eli for yet another year, while our shiny brand new #2 pick rots on the bench?


If Eli plays lights out with Saquon Barkley, that means there wont be a shiny #2 pick rotting on the bench.
LOL  
ZogZerg : 4/19/2018 1:41 pm : link
1 week to go.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 1:41 pm : link
Why are so many people here utterly incapable of separating two separate schools of thought? It fucking blows my mind.

Believe it or not, you actually CAN want the Giants to draft a QB without it having to be some major indictment on Eli.

Here are facts...

Eli is 37 years old. He has not played all that well the past two seasons. Especially last year.

We are picking 2nd in what is considered to be one of the strongest QB drafts in recent memory.

However, it's also fair to point out how poor Eli's protection and supporting casts have been (especially with Beckham on the shelf)

I love Eli Manning. He's one of the greatest athletes I have ever had the pleasure of rooting for.

But I'm also not going to let that blind me or look the other way regarding his recent performance. Poor cast or not, he hasn't been good. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he might be close to the end.

A lot of people here don't want to believe that and are letting that mindset carry them into all sorts of irrational places regarding this draft.

Thinking the Giants should strongly consider a QB doesn't = "quitting on Eli" - and it's stupid that things always have to be so fucking black and white here.

I'm a huge Eli Manning fan who would love to see him give us one more run before it's over - I also realize that's unlikely and recognize that we have an opportunity here to draft a great successor.

It's really as simple as that.
Eli hasn't had an offensive line nor a running game  
Knee of Theismann : 4/19/2018 1:44 pm : link
in about 5 years.

There's no way we can tell if he's actually done or not.

From my perspective he's proven he's still able to read defenses and make some pretty amazing throws, so I'm signed on for taking Barkley, taking two OL in rounds 2 and 3, hell even cutting Marshall and signing Dez Bryant. I am all for doubling down on our 2-time super bowl MVP Iron Man of a quarterback. I think his pedigree has earned him one last shot at taking this team to the Promised Land one last time.
RE: .  
Danny Kanell : 4/19/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13920856 arcarsenal said:
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Why are so many people here utterly incapable of separating two separate schools of thought? It fucking blows my mind.

Believe it or not, you actually CAN want the Giants to draft a QB without it having to be some major indictment on Eli.

Here are facts...

Eli is 37 years old. He has not played all that well the past two seasons. Especially last year.

We are picking 2nd in what is considered to be one of the strongest QB drafts in recent memory.

However, it's also fair to point out how poor Eli's protection and supporting casts have been (especially with Beckham on the shelf)

I love Eli Manning. He's one of the greatest athletes I have ever had the pleasure of rooting for.

But I'm also not going to let that blind me or look the other way regarding his recent performance. Poor cast or not, he hasn't been good. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he might be close to the end.

A lot of people here don't want to believe that and are letting that mindset carry them into all sorts of irrational places regarding this draft.

Thinking the Giants should strongly consider a QB doesn't = "quitting on Eli" - and it's stupid that things always have to be so fucking black and white here.

I'm a huge Eli Manning fan who would love to see him give us one more run before it's over - I also realize that's unlikely and recognize that we have an opportunity here to draft a great successor.

It's really as simple as that.


Couldn't have presented it better. I'm skeptical the OP and others here can process this information clearly, however.
RE: Such a teenage  
figgy2989 : 4/19/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13920805 pjcas18 said:
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girl way to put it. "Who's quitting on Eli"?

WTF.

And wanting it documented like it has some importance or consequence.

who the fuck are you? "I want it documented" - ok chief, we'll document it for you.

It's football, QB's rarely perform at an elite (or even high) level at Eli's age or beyond.

In sports it's better to replace someone a year too early than a year too late - especially your high dollar assets.

He's got 2 years left on his contract extending him beyond then probably guarantees the latter in my statement above this.

You should think about removing the emotional attachment to a 37 year old man.


Great post pj
Are all of you  
lax counsel : 4/19/2018 1:47 pm : link
Eli "supporters" going to pat yourselves on the back when the Giants with Barkley and Eli go 7-9 and then 8-8 and declare mission accomplished because they didn't look like the worst team in the NFL? Yet we don't have a viable qb replacement and aren't in position to draft a legit blue chip prospect.

Listen, call it whatever you want, but rational fans realize drafting a qb doesn't mean you've given up on him, it means you realize what he is.
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Britt in VA : 4/19/2018 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13920864 Danny Kanell said:
Quote:
In comment 13920856 arcarsenal said:


Quote:


Why are so many people here utterly incapable of separating two separate schools of thought? It fucking blows my mind.

Believe it or not, you actually CAN want the Giants to draft a QB without it having to be some major indictment on Eli.

Here are facts...

Eli is 37 years old. He has not played all that well the past two seasons. Especially last year.

We are picking 2nd in what is considered to be one of the strongest QB drafts in recent memory.

However, it's also fair to point out how poor Eli's protection and supporting casts have been (especially with Beckham on the shelf)

I love Eli Manning. He's one of the greatest athletes I have ever had the pleasure of rooting for.

But I'm also not going to let that blind me or look the other way regarding his recent performance. Poor cast or not, he hasn't been good. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he might be close to the end.

A lot of people here don't want to believe that and are letting that mindset carry them into all sorts of irrational places regarding this draft.

Thinking the Giants should strongly consider a QB doesn't = "quitting on Eli" - and it's stupid that things always have to be so fucking black and white here.

I'm a huge Eli Manning fan who would love to see him give us one more run before it's over - I also realize that's unlikely and recognize that we have an opportunity here to draft a great successor.

It's really as simple as that.



Couldn't have presented it better. I'm skeptical the OP and others here can process this information clearly, however.


You don't read my posts. If you did, you'd know that I'm fine with taking a QB at two, just as arc said.

I just believe Eli has more left in the tank as well, but am fine planning for the future.

You've been the one backtracking all season, and unlike you, if we don't take a QB at 2 next week, I won't have to do a massive about face.
Tell me again how Manning was going to be cut or traded this  
Britt in VA : 4/19/2018 1:49 pm : link
offseason...


Link - ( New Window )
RE: The front office failed Eli  
old man : 4/19/2018 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13920799 AnnapolisMike said:
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for the past 4 years. rat bastards.


+1...,except I say 6-7.
I love  
cokeduplt : 4/19/2018 1:50 pm : link
Eli but drafting emotionally would be stupid. If u don’t prepare now for his career to be over soon the future will be miserable.
Oh, I can't differentiate, and believe me, I'm all about the future  
SHO'NUFF : 4/19/2018 1:50 pm : link
but by drafting another QB is basically saying FU to Eli and telling him we're not willing to give him any help. We're calling it quits on him, essentially. If that's how it's gonna be, so be it. But if God willing, he's hoisting up the trophy one last time, I just want to read this thread again for kicks.
I CAN differentiate  
SHO'NUFF : 4/19/2018 1:50 pm : link
not can't
first off  
family progtitioner : 4/19/2018 1:51 pm : link
the giants owe Eli nothing, he's been paid extremely handsomely over the years.

Second, I can only go by what management and the coaching staff feels. He was awful last year but played in a horrible system and had no talent around him. If they think last year was an outlier and he's got more left then I'd be good with drafting SB or trading down. If they think he's done or they're going to jettison him regardless of how he plays next year then they will hopefully draft a QB and prepare for the future.
Can't  
Thegratefulhead : 4/19/2018 1:51 pm : link
I wont quit on him, I don't think Eli wins another Super Bowl, I think his best years are behind him, I expect him to decline more. I think it is reasonable to expect he does better than last year, I do not know how good that is. The thing is, no matter what my opinion is, I want him to kill it next rather fail. I would rather be wrong about him. Does that make sense?
Maybe Eli still has a few good years left  
Greg from LI : 4/19/2018 1:51 pm : link
But he's 37. The Giants will need a new quarterback in the next 2-3 years anyway, and probably will not have as promising an opportunity to draft one as they have this year.
"More left in the tank" doesn't really matter  
Go Terps : 4/19/2018 1:53 pm : link
Even if he does, the opportunity to get younger and cheaper with a talented prospect is before us. Now. We don't know that that opportunity will avail itself again next year or the year after.

The fundamental question is: can this team win a Super Bowl in the next two years? Any answer other than an emphatic "YES!" and we should be looking for his replacement immediately.

These are the cold facts in a world where the salary cap and time govern decision making.
RE: .  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13920856 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
Why are so many people here utterly incapable of separating two separate schools of thought? It fucking blows my mind.

Believe it or not, you actually CAN want the Giants to draft a QB without it having to be some major indictment on Eli.

Here are facts...

Eli is 37 years old. He has not played all that well the past two seasons. Especially last year.

We are picking 2nd in what is considered to be one of the strongest QB drafts in recent memory.

However, it's also fair to point out how poor Eli's protection and supporting casts have been (especially with Beckham on the shelf)

I love Eli Manning. He's one of the greatest athletes I have ever had the pleasure of rooting for.

But I'm also not going to let that blind me or look the other way regarding his recent performance. Poor cast or not, he hasn't been good. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he might be close to the end.

A lot of people here don't want to believe that and are letting that mindset carry them into all sorts of irrational places regarding this draft.

Thinking the Giants should strongly consider a QB doesn't = "quitting on Eli" - and it's stupid that things always have to be so fucking black and white here.

I'm a huge Eli Manning fan who would love to see him give us one more run before it's over - I also realize that's unlikely and recognize that we have an opportunity here to draft a great successor.

It's really as simple as that.


+1.
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