All you "Draft QB at #2" guys put it in writing. You are all writing Eli off for dead - or, at most, giving him a one year pity fuck.
I say Eli has 3 years of productive football left in him. I say our future franchise QB will still be playing college football next year, if not already on the roster. I say we draft Saquon Barkley to give Eli some F'n help and extend his career.
Put it down in writing, right now, if you have the guts. Giants34 (Greg) already has from another thread.
In summary I think the smartest thing to do is draft and work towards a future without Eli, not go all in to win with Eli short term. In that sense I am quitting on him. Thanks for the memories E.
Getting a QB now gets him cost controlled. You can get OBJ his much needed and deserved deal, with that cap space.
If OBJ doesn't work out you can jettison him by the time you have actually pay the QB.
Also, I don't like overpaying an RB. Any RB is basically 1 play away from having his career be over.
Sure Eli could play 3 more years, but milking every last ounce of football out of players is why we got into this current roster mess. It's better to part ways sooner rather then later.
Get a run game, shore up the O-line, solidify the D.Z
I give us a shot.
Documented.
But I want Sam Darnold. I want a future.
Am I quitting on Eli? No. But I want Darnold as a Giant for next 10-15 years.
But I want Sam Darnold. I want a future.
Am I quitting on Eli? No. But I want Darnold as a Giant for next 10-15 years.
Exactly where I am...............only replace Darnold with anyone candidate that can give us 10-15.......
It is likely that Eli will not be the Giants QB in three years.
As others have noted there needs to be a succession plan in place.
I think that there is a whole generation of Giant fans who do not know what it is like not to have an Eli Manning.
It really sucks.
Umm, ok.
WTF.
And wanting it documented like it has some importance or consequence.
who the fuck are you? "I want it documented" - ok chief, we'll document it for you.
It's football, QB's rarely perform at an elite (or even high) level at Eli's age or beyond.
In sports it's better to replace someone a year too early than a year too late - especially your high dollar assets.
He's got 2 years left on his contract extending him beyond then probably guarantees the latter in my statement above this.
You should think about removing the emotional attachment to a 37 year old man.
Jesus Christ.
WTF.
And wanting it documented like it has some importance or consequence.
who the fuck are you? "I want it documented" - ok chief, we'll document it for you.
It's football, QB's rarely perform at an elite (or even high) level at Eli's age or beyond.
In sports it's better to replace someone a year too early than a year too late - especially your high dollar assets.
He's got 2 years left on his contract extending him beyond then probably guarantees the latter in my statement above this.
You should think about removing the emotional attachment to a 37 year old man.
Hahahaha I love this post!
But I want Sam Darnold. I want a future.
Am I quitting on Eli? No. But I want Darnold as a Giant for next 10-15 years.
This pretty much sums my feelings up as well.
But there are a few posters on here that are so blinded by their love of Eli, it's either you're with him or against him. Count the OP and a few others that actually gave this thread legitimacy with a response acknowledging the same (see Britt's post and others etc).
Jesus Christ.
No, you're saying it's over and you're willing to go into rebuild mode right now.
What if Eli plays lights out behind Solder and Barkley? You still want to throw him away like yesterday's garbage? Or will you want Eli for yet another year, while our shiny brand new #2 pick rots on the bench?
Its not about getting Eli Manning his 3rd SB ring its about getting the Giants their 5th ring.
Drafting a QB at 2 is not about quitting on Eli and you dont draft Saquon to give Eli another chance at a ring.
You have got it all backwards.
The statistical difference between Webb and this years crop is minimal. Put Webb in every pre season snap , see if he can play.
The Giants are going to be drafting in the bottom 1/3 next year. That gives the Eli/Webb experiment a season and half to work self out.
There will be "franchise" QB's in next year and every years draft.If you have a superior OL and DL a slightly above average QB works fine.
Remember ELI has never been seen as a top 10 QB. You might say the epitome of a slightly above average QB
This is not a one year fix.
To the OP - you may want to take some time away from sports and focus on some other interests and get some perspective.
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Giving up on Eli and wanting them to draft a QB at 2 can be 2 completely different things.
Jesus Christ.
No, you're saying it's over and you're willing to go into rebuild mode right now.
What if Eli plays lights out behind Solder and Barkley? You still want to throw him away like yesterday's garbage? Or will you want Eli for yet another year, while our shiny brand new #2 pick rots on the bench?
If Eli plays lights out with Saquon Barkley, that means there wont be a shiny #2 pick rotting on the bench.
Believe it or not, you actually CAN want the Giants to draft a QB without it having to be some major indictment on Eli.
Here are facts...
Eli is 37 years old. He has not played all that well the past two seasons. Especially last year.
We are picking 2nd in what is considered to be one of the strongest QB drafts in recent memory.
However, it's also fair to point out how poor Eli's protection and supporting casts have been (especially with Beckham on the shelf)
I love Eli Manning. He's one of the greatest athletes I have ever had the pleasure of rooting for.
But I'm also not going to let that blind me or look the other way regarding his recent performance. Poor cast or not, he hasn't been good. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he might be close to the end.
A lot of people here don't want to believe that and are letting that mindset carry them into all sorts of irrational places regarding this draft.
Thinking the Giants should strongly consider a QB doesn't = "quitting on Eli" - and it's stupid that things always have to be so fucking black and white here.
I'm a huge Eli Manning fan who would love to see him give us one more run before it's over - I also realize that's unlikely and recognize that we have an opportunity here to draft a great successor.
It's really as simple as that.
There's no way we can tell if he's actually done or not.
From my perspective he's proven he's still able to read defenses and make some pretty amazing throws, so I'm signed on for taking Barkley, taking two OL in rounds 2 and 3, hell even cutting Marshall and signing Dez Bryant. I am all for doubling down on our 2-time super bowl MVP Iron Man of a quarterback. I think his pedigree has earned him one last shot at taking this team to the Promised Land one last time.
Believe it or not, you actually CAN want the Giants to draft a QB without it having to be some major indictment on Eli.
Here are facts...
Eli is 37 years old. He has not played all that well the past two seasons. Especially last year.
We are picking 2nd in what is considered to be one of the strongest QB drafts in recent memory.
However, it's also fair to point out how poor Eli's protection and supporting casts have been (especially with Beckham on the shelf)
I love Eli Manning. He's one of the greatest athletes I have ever had the pleasure of rooting for.
But I'm also not going to let that blind me or look the other way regarding his recent performance. Poor cast or not, he hasn't been good. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he might be close to the end.
A lot of people here don't want to believe that and are letting that mindset carry them into all sorts of irrational places regarding this draft.
Thinking the Giants should strongly consider a QB doesn't = "quitting on Eli" - and it's stupid that things always have to be so fucking black and white here.
I'm a huge Eli Manning fan who would love to see him give us one more run before it's over - I also realize that's unlikely and recognize that we have an opportunity here to draft a great successor.
It's really as simple as that.
Couldn't have presented it better. I'm skeptical the OP and others here can process this information clearly, however.
WTF.
And wanting it documented like it has some importance or consequence.
who the fuck are you? "I want it documented" - ok chief, we'll document it for you.
It's football, QB's rarely perform at an elite (or even high) level at Eli's age or beyond.
In sports it's better to replace someone a year too early than a year too late - especially your high dollar assets.
He's got 2 years left on his contract extending him beyond then probably guarantees the latter in my statement above this.
You should think about removing the emotional attachment to a 37 year old man.
Great post pj
Listen, call it whatever you want, but rational fans realize drafting a qb doesn't mean you've given up on him, it means you realize what he is.
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Why are so many people here utterly incapable of separating two separate schools of thought? It fucking blows my mind.
Believe it or not, you actually CAN want the Giants to draft a QB without it having to be some major indictment on Eli.
Here are facts...
Eli is 37 years old. He has not played all that well the past two seasons. Especially last year.
We are picking 2nd in what is considered to be one of the strongest QB drafts in recent memory.
However, it's also fair to point out how poor Eli's protection and supporting casts have been (especially with Beckham on the shelf)
I love Eli Manning. He's one of the greatest athletes I have ever had the pleasure of rooting for.
But I'm also not going to let that blind me or look the other way regarding his recent performance. Poor cast or not, he hasn't been good. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he might be close to the end.
A lot of people here don't want to believe that and are letting that mindset carry them into all sorts of irrational places regarding this draft.
Thinking the Giants should strongly consider a QB doesn't = "quitting on Eli" - and it's stupid that things always have to be so fucking black and white here.
I'm a huge Eli Manning fan who would love to see him give us one more run before it's over - I also realize that's unlikely and recognize that we have an opportunity here to draft a great successor.
It's really as simple as that.
Couldn't have presented it better. I'm skeptical the OP and others here can process this information clearly, however.
You don't read my posts. If you did, you'd know that I'm fine with taking a QB at two, just as arc said.
I just believe Eli has more left in the tank as well, but am fine planning for the future.
You've been the one backtracking all season, and unlike you, if we don't take a QB at 2 next week, I won't have to do a massive about face.
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+1...,except I say 6-7.
Second, I can only go by what management and the coaching staff feels. He was awful last year but played in a horrible system and had no talent around him. If they think last year was an outlier and he's got more left then I'd be good with drafting SB or trading down. If they think he's done or they're going to jettison him regardless of how he plays next year then they will hopefully draft a QB and prepare for the future.
The fundamental question is: can this team win a Super Bowl in the next two years? Any answer other than an emphatic "YES!" and we should be looking for his replacement immediately.
These are the cold facts in a world where the salary cap and time govern decision making.
Believe it or not, you actually CAN want the Giants to draft a QB without it having to be some major indictment on Eli.
Here are facts...
Eli is 37 years old. He has not played all that well the past two seasons. Especially last year.
We are picking 2nd in what is considered to be one of the strongest QB drafts in recent memory.
However, it's also fair to point out how poor Eli's protection and supporting casts have been (especially with Beckham on the shelf)
I love Eli Manning. He's one of the greatest athletes I have ever had the pleasure of rooting for.
But I'm also not going to let that blind me or look the other way regarding his recent performance. Poor cast or not, he hasn't been good. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he might be close to the end.
A lot of people here don't want to believe that and are letting that mindset carry them into all sorts of irrational places regarding this draft.
Thinking the Giants should strongly consider a QB doesn't = "quitting on Eli" - and it's stupid that things always have to be so fucking black and white here.
I'm a huge Eli Manning fan who would love to see him give us one more run before it's over - I also realize that's unlikely and recognize that we have an opportunity here to draft a great successor.
It's really as simple as that.
+1.