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I want it documented: Who's quitting on Eli?

SHO'NUFF : 4/19/2018 1:15 pm
All you "Draft QB at #2" guys put it in writing. You are all writing Eli off for dead - or, at most, giving him a one year pity fuck.

I say Eli has 3 years of productive football left in him. I say our future franchise QB will still be playing college football next year, if not already on the roster. I say we draft Saquon Barkley to give Eli some F'n help and extend his career.

Put it down in writing, right now, if you have the guts. Giants34 (Greg) already has from another thread.
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Danny Kanell : 4/19/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13920872 Britt in VA said:
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Why are so many people here utterly incapable of separating two separate schools of thought? It fucking blows my mind.

Believe it or not, you actually CAN want the Giants to draft a QB without it having to be some major indictment on Eli.

Here are facts...

Eli is 37 years old. He has not played all that well the past two seasons. Especially last year.

We are picking 2nd in what is considered to be one of the strongest QB drafts in recent memory.

However, it's also fair to point out how poor Eli's protection and supporting casts have been (especially with Beckham on the shelf)

I love Eli Manning. He's one of the greatest athletes I have ever had the pleasure of rooting for.

But I'm also not going to let that blind me or look the other way regarding his recent performance. Poor cast or not, he hasn't been good. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he might be close to the end.

A lot of people here don't want to believe that and are letting that mindset carry them into all sorts of irrational places regarding this draft.

Thinking the Giants should strongly consider a QB doesn't = "quitting on Eli" - and it's stupid that things always have to be so fucking black and white here.

I'm a huge Eli Manning fan who would love to see him give us one more run before it's over - I also realize that's unlikely and recognize that we have an opportunity here to draft a great successor.

It's really as simple as that.



Couldn't have presented it better. I'm skeptical the OP and others here can process this information clearly, however.



You don't read my posts. If you did, you'd know that I'm fine with taking a QB at two, just as arc said.

I just believe Eli has more left in the tank as well, but am fine planning for the future.

You've been the one backtracking all season, and unlike you, if we don't take a QB at 2 next week, I won't have to do a massive about face.


Britt, you've already responded giving credence to the stupid OP that it's "well documented" on both sides. As far as me, what, did I have an in season meltdown during a game that Eli is done? So i'm backtracking off an emotional post? You're the king of that over the years. And as far as the draft, i've been consistent (Not that it matters). Darnold if he's there, Barkley if he isn't. So i'm not QB or bust.
Count me  
Justlurking : 4/19/2018 1:54 pm : link
Love Eli but he has regressed significantly and passing on a successor is not what a well run franchise would do here.
RE: Such a teenage  
Justlurking : 4/19/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13920805 pjcas18 said:
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girl way to put it. "Who's quitting on Eli"?

WTF.

And wanting it documented like it has some importance or consequence.

who the fuck are you? "I want it documented" - ok chief, we'll document it for you.

It's football, QB's rarely perform at an elite (or even high) level at Eli's age or beyond.

In sports it's better to replace someone a year too early than a year too late - especially your high dollar assets.

He's got 2 years left on his contract extending him beyond then probably guarantees the latter in my statement above this.

You should think about removing the emotional attachment to a 37 year old man.


also this
The truth is....  
Britt in VA : 4/19/2018 1:56 pm : link
despite the perception of my posts, my posts have been mainly down the middle in regards to Eli and the future, believing that the team can both win with Eli as well as groom his successor simultaneously, and my posting history backs that up.

And my opinion has been most in line with the Giants actions, subsequently, also.
I firmly  
jtgiants : 4/19/2018 1:56 pm : link
Believe eli will prove many on this site wrong.
No, they really haven't.  
Keith : 4/19/2018 1:57 pm : link
You've been a required skip everytime Eli's name comes up. No offense.


This thread sucks.
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Britt in VA : 4/19/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13920895 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 13920864 Danny Kanell said:


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Why are so many people here utterly incapable of separating two separate schools of thought? It fucking blows my mind.

Believe it or not, you actually CAN want the Giants to draft a QB without it having to be some major indictment on Eli.

Here are facts...

Eli is 37 years old. He has not played all that well the past two seasons. Especially last year.

We are picking 2nd in what is considered to be one of the strongest QB drafts in recent memory.

However, it's also fair to point out how poor Eli's protection and supporting casts have been (especially with Beckham on the shelf)

I love Eli Manning. He's one of the greatest athletes I have ever had the pleasure of rooting for.

But I'm also not going to let that blind me or look the other way regarding his recent performance. Poor cast or not, he hasn't been good. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he might be close to the end.

A lot of people here don't want to believe that and are letting that mindset carry them into all sorts of irrational places regarding this draft.

Thinking the Giants should strongly consider a QB doesn't = "quitting on Eli" - and it's stupid that things always have to be so fucking black and white here.

I'm a huge Eli Manning fan who would love to see him give us one more run before it's over - I also realize that's unlikely and recognize that we have an opportunity here to draft a great successor.

It's really as simple as that.



Couldn't have presented it better. I'm skeptical the OP and others here can process this information clearly, however.



You don't read my posts. If you did, you'd know that I'm fine with taking a QB at two, just as arc said.

I just believe Eli has more left in the tank as well, but am fine planning for the future.

You've been the one backtracking all season, and unlike you, if we don't take a QB at 2 next week, I won't have to do a massive about face.



Britt, you've already responded giving credence to the stupid OP that it's "well documented" on both sides. As far as me, what, did I have an in season meltdown during a game that Eli is done? So i'm backtracking off an emotional post? You're the king of that over the years. And as far as the draft, i've been consistent (Not that it matters). Darnold if he's there, Barkley if he isn't. So i'm not QB or bust.


All I said was that people's opinions are well documented. This topic has been beaten to death. It's pretty god damned clear where people stand, agree?

All we can do now is wait and let it watch out, agree?

If you agree with both of those things, you agree with my (up to this point until you called me out) point in this thread.
I just love watching people get emotional over this issue...  
EricJ : 4/19/2018 1:58 pm : link
and it is exactly why most people here could NEVER be a GM. Even Mara said he was shocked at how emotional the fans got over the Eli thing this past season. Shocked in the sense that we had the worst season in a lifetime and yet people were still upset about an older QB starting a fucking game just to keep a useless streak alive. This is why people on the inside think fans are clueless idiots.
Well, hell, why document anything?  
SHO'NUFF : 4/19/2018 1:59 pm : link
I guess CYA emails in business are for "teenage girls". Let me go explain that to my boss right now, see what he says...
RE: No, they really haven't.  
Britt in VA : 4/19/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13920906 Keith said:
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You've been a required skip everytime Eli's name comes up. No offense.


This thread sucks.


Check the date, junior:

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I've said it again, and again, and again over the past couple of weeks
Britt in VA : 11/26/2017 8:17 pm : link

Here's how it's going to go.

Eli's replacement is drafted in Round 1 this year IF, and this is a big IF, they are in position to draft somebody they covet.

Davis Webb and new Quarterback duel it out for #2 in camp.

Eli starts the season, and depending on how it goes, he continues to play if they're winning or contributing.

One of two things happen, the Giants have a successful season which results in Eli starting the following season in his final year in his deal and whatever happens happens? Or they struggle and the new coach decides mid season that it's time to make the transition and they do it, ala Warner to Eli.

I know it's hard for people to wrap their heads around, but here's what's NOT going to happen:

Davis Webb will not start any game this season. His best case scenario is to be elevated to number 2 and come in the 2nd half of games to get some time.

Eli will not be cut or traded in the offseason.

Eli will not be a pay cut. I could see him restructuring if he works out an agreement that he will be allowed to play out his contract and retire gracefully, but who knows....


I've been consistent with that train of thought since then.

November 2017 - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Such a teenage  
SHO'NUFF : 4/19/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13920900 Justlurking said:
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girl way to put it. "Who's quitting on Eli"?

WTF.

And wanting it documented like it has some importance or consequence.

who the fuck are you? "I want it documented" - ok chief, we'll document it for you.

It's football, QB's rarely perform at an elite (or even high) level at Eli's age or beyond.

In sports it's better to replace someone a year too early than a year too late - especially your high dollar assets.

He's got 2 years left on his contract extending him beyond then probably guarantees the latter in my statement above this.

You should think about removing the emotional attachment to a 37 year old man.



also this


keep just lurking
The response to the Eli benching was  
Keith : 4/19/2018 2:00 pm : link
one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen. Like a bunch of little babies got their binkies taken from them.
Britt  
Go Terps : 4/19/2018 2:01 pm : link
I wouldn't brag about having the same thought process as the Giants. It's been a poorly run team for a few years now.
I will always root for Eli  
Rudy5757 : 4/19/2018 2:06 pm : link
But I think he is done. Football is a business and just like other businesses you start to let people go that are not performing anymore. We have let 2 coaches go one which I loved. We let the GM go while many were happy, he still led us to the same 2 superbowls that Eli did. And now we are asking a 37 year old QB to recover from the disaster that was last year and the overall decline in play the last few years and all of the sudden rise and be great again.

Eli is at the end of a Great career. Maybe he has 1 year left, maybe 2 and an outside chance at 3. I happen to believe that his best days are behind him and he is in decline. Everyone faces the age factor and some at different ages. I dont see the same player from a few years back. He is not the player that led us to the Superbowl. It has pretty much been 6 years since this team was competitive.

It's time for the next chapter. Plenty of great QBs have gone on to teams that are considered a contender and have had success, if Eli wants to continue after this season I think he has a right to do that but this should be his last season if the Giants draft a QB. If we somehow decide not draft a QB I think its a mistake and if the GM is right about Eli we will be in a worse position to draft a QB. The Giants are not and should not be looking at this current roster as a Superbowl contender one or 2 players away. the team was a disaster last year, we have improved some areas and downgraded in others especially at CB.

Start the future regime, draft a QB and let Eli have his swan song. If somehow he puts together a great season and we are a strong playoff contender you can keep him another year. I just don't see that scenario and we are looking at a 6-8 win season. if we draft a QB and have a 6-8 win season Eli rides nicely off to the sunset. If we dont draft a QB and we have a 6-8 win season Eli, the coaches and GM will get roasted with the woulda,coulda shouldas because at least one of the QBs will be good enough.
RE: Well, hell, why document anything?  
Danny Kanell : 4/19/2018 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13920914 SHO'NUFF said:
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I guess CYA emails in business are for "teenage girls". Let me go explain that to my boss right now, see what he says...


Ok DK, take a breath

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Eli should have been jettisoned...  
bw in dc : 4/19/2018 2:07 pm : link
at the end of last year. But Mara saved him. And we will be left with the Eli Farewell Tour for, alas, at least two more years.

Here is where Eli is - he's got even less mobility than ever, has happier feet than ever, still makes panicked decisions when the pocket collapses, and has never had a howitzer. Other than that, he's terrific.

Will he pull a game or two out of his arse now and again? Absolutely. And that will be the fuel the Eli is God Club needs to keep hope alive.

I have been all in for blowing the team up and trusting the process. Instead, we are postponing the inevitable with the hope that Eli will make another deal with the football devil and we make some inexplicable run through the playoffs. I really can't think of a dumber plan...
RE: The response to the Eli benching was  
SHO'NUFF : 4/19/2018 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13920921 Keith said:
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one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen. Like a bunch of little babies got their binkies taken from them.


It was a disgusting display by the organization. How could you not get upset? If they go with QB next week, so be it. I'm fine with closing the chapter on Eli that way, but to bench him for Geno was pathetic.
RE: Well, hell, why document anything?  
Mike from Ohio : 4/19/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13920914 SHO'NUFF said:
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I guess CYA emails in business are for "teenage girls". Let me go explain that to my boss right now, see what he says...


I'm starting to get embarrassed for you. Do you really not understand the difference between actions taken in a work environment and fans opinions on an internet message board?

Nothing on this thread matters at all. No fans opinions of Eli matter. Eli is not worried about whether or not people believe in you. Whatever happens, he will be fine.
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Gatorade Dunk : 4/19/2018 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13920920 SHO'NUFF said:
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girl way to put it. "Who's quitting on Eli"?

WTF.

And wanting it documented like it has some importance or consequence.

who the fuck are you? "I want it documented" - ok chief, we'll document it for you.

It's football, QB's rarely perform at an elite (or even high) level at Eli's age or beyond.

In sports it's better to replace someone a year too early than a year too late - especially your high dollar assets.

He's got 2 years left on his contract extending him beyond then probably guarantees the latter in my statement above this.

You should think about removing the emotional attachment to a 37 year old man.



also this



keep just lurking

Doubling down on the maturity - nice job.
I gave up on Eli  
RetroJint : 4/19/2018 2:16 pm : link
2 seasons ago.
RE: I gave up on Eli  
dep026 : 4/19/2018 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13920971 RetroJint said:
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2 seasons ago.


2? You never liked him and gave up on him before 2007. haha
This is a very poor thread  
Gmen88 : 4/19/2018 2:18 pm : link
Since when has planning for the future meant quitting on someone? The Patriots are targeting a QB, are they quitting on Brady? Same with the Steelers. Are they quitting on Ben? Same with the Saints. Are they quitting on Brees? This is extremely short sighted.
I want it documented: Who's quitting on SHO'NUFF?  
Brown Recluse : 4/19/2018 2:20 pm : link
Put it down in writing, right now, if you have the guts.
Whos the master?  
Keith : 4/19/2018 2:21 pm : link
Not Shonuff.
.  
Pep22 : 4/19/2018 2:23 pm : link
this type of thread annoys me. Nobody is quitting on a person or player. We're simply making an evaluation of what he has left now and what he's likely to have left in the near future, just like we would with any other player.

What people should all quit on is the sentimental influence on your football opinions.
RE: I want it documented: Who's quitting on SHO'NUFF?  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 2:23 pm : link
In comment 13920988 Brown Recluse said:
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Put it down in writing, right now, if you have the guts.


Pff... I did this a LONG time ago.
RE: RE: I want it documented: Who's quitting on SHO'NUFF?  
dep026 : 4/19/2018 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13921002 arcarsenal said:
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Put it down in writing, right now, if you have the guts.



Pff... I did this a LONG time ago.


Nobody has ever quit on you!!!





Only cause no one ever believed in you either.
Lol what a laughable OP  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 4/19/2018 2:25 pm : link
sounds like a lover scorned.
He's cooked  
Joey in VA : 4/19/2018 2:25 pm : link
We have zero shot at a title with him out there. He just needs way too much help at this point in his career.
RE: Lol what a laughable OP  
dep026 : 4/19/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13921009 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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sounds like a lover scorned.


See how much I have grown. Even I laughed at this one.

The 2nd daughter has made me a better man.
Are we fans of the Giants or just Eli?  
Gmen88 : 4/19/2018 2:26 pm : link
How dare we plan for the future of the team. Shame on us.
No Line and No Running game since 2012  
djstat : 4/19/2018 2:26 pm : link
Eli has had no support from the O Line or Running Game in 5 seasons. I am not quitting on him...he gets this year. If he lights it up, awesome. If not move on.
RE: Lol what a laughable OP  
Victor in CT : 4/19/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13921009 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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sounds like a lover scorned.


Well put. I was thinking more of beer muscle syndrome. Yours is much funnier :-)
RE: RE: RE: I want it documented: Who's quitting on SHO'NUFF?  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13921006 dep026 said:
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Put it down in writing, right now, if you have the guts.



Pff... I did this a LONG time ago.



Nobody has ever quit on you!!!





Only cause no one ever believed in you either.


Not even remotely true. You've been a believer since day one and you know it.
Yup, these threads reveal the true character  
SHO'NUFF : 4/19/2018 2:32 pm : link
of some posters. The usual suspects.
Nothing surprising here.
RE: Yup, these threads reveal the true character  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13921050 SHO'NUFF said:
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of some posters. The usual suspects.
Nothing surprising here.


Yeah, this was really going to go far when you proclaimed that people just want to give Eli a "one year pity fuck"

Some riveting analysis there.

Trash usually gets met with trash.
Thanks for  
SHO'NUFF : 4/19/2018 2:35 pm : link
playing.
RE: RE: Yup, these threads reveal the true character  
dep026 : 4/19/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13921058 arcarsenal said:
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of some posters. The usual suspects.
Nothing surprising here.



Yeah, this was really going to go far when you proclaimed that people just want to give Eli a "one year pity fuck"

Some riveting analysis there.

Trash usually gets met with trash.


Wait, am I an Eli basher suspect now since I yhink this thread is silly!

Always time for a first.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 2:36 pm : link
No problem!

Looking forward to your next wonderfully useless contribution to BBI.
RE: RE: RE: Yup, these threads reveal the true character  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13921063 dep026 said:
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In comment 13921058 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 13921050 SHO'NUFF said:


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of some posters. The usual suspects.
Nothing surprising here.



Yeah, this was really going to go far when you proclaimed that people just want to give Eli a "one year pity fuck"

Some riveting analysis there.

Trash usually gets met with trash.



Wait, am I an Eli basher suspect now since I yhink this thread is silly!

Always time for a first.


ARE YOU QUITTING ON HIM OR NOT?

I NEED IT IN WRITING. NOW. ON RECORD.
...  
Keith : 4/19/2018 2:37 pm : link
Nobody is quitting on him .  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/19/2018 2:37 pm : link
He is 37, it is perfectly reasonable to want the successor in place.

You are a combative imbecile. That's a bad combination.
Even if Eli  
TommyWiseau : 4/19/2018 2:37 pm : link
has 3 productive years left in him, who is starting that 4th year? Or if he only has two productive years, who is starting that 3rd? This is the perfect time to land his successor and if the Giants think one of these guys can lead you to a championship AND that player is there at 2 you do not think twice. Forget the RB, forget the DE, forget the Guard, you take the most important position in sports
What are you McCarthy outing Communists?  
BestFeature : 4/19/2018 2:39 pm : link
Why the fuck should someone be embarrassed by the fact that he wants to draft a QB when our QB is 37 years old and hasn't done a damn thing of note since 2012.

If your definition of quitting on Eli is caring about the future of the franchise at the most important position in sports then you're damn right I'm quitting on Eli.
Eli will light up the league next few years  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 4/19/2018 2:44 pm : link
With OBJ, Sheppard, Evans and Barkley and non stoopid mismatch WCO and Slick who makes a Eli cry.
Never  
TommytheElephant : 4/19/2018 2:46 pm : link
.
What a dumb  
Giantophile : 4/19/2018 2:49 pm : link
thread.
How dumb are some fans  
NYSports1 : 4/19/2018 2:50 pm : link
What does Eli playing good or decent next 2 years have anything to do with drafting a qb. You do not draft to extend an old man his life. You draft to build the foundation of the team. Since when are rookies tasks on making an old qb great or team a playoff team? Eli has shown zero capabilities of bring great in the last 4 years. A RB is not going to make Eli great, Tom Brady and Rodgers do not even run the ball much, you do not need a RB drafted #2 to win in this league, this is not your parents football era, this is the passing league and it starts with the QB.
RE: Are we fans of the Giants or just Eli?  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/19/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13921018 Gmen88 said:
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How dare we plan for the future of the team. Shame on us.


That's been well-documented numerous times already..
RE: Yup, these threads reveal the true character  
Brown Recluse : 4/19/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13921050 SHO'NUFF said:
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of some posters. The usual suspects.
Nothing surprising here.


Ur mom?
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