All you "Draft QB at #2" guys put it in writing. You are all writing Eli off for dead - or, at most, giving him a one year pity fuck.
I say Eli has 3 years of productive football left in him. I say our future franchise QB will still be playing college football next year, if not already on the roster. I say we draft Saquon Barkley to give Eli some F'n help and extend his career.
Put it down in writing, right now, if you have the guts. Giants34 (Greg) already has from another thread.
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Why are so many people here utterly incapable of separating two separate schools of thought? It fucking blows my mind.
Believe it or not, you actually CAN want the Giants to draft a QB without it having to be some major indictment on Eli.
Here are facts...
Eli is 37 years old. He has not played all that well the past two seasons. Especially last year.
We are picking 2nd in what is considered to be one of the strongest QB drafts in recent memory.
However, it's also fair to point out how poor Eli's protection and supporting casts have been (especially with Beckham on the shelf)
I love Eli Manning. He's one of the greatest athletes I have ever had the pleasure of rooting for.
But I'm also not going to let that blind me or look the other way regarding his recent performance. Poor cast or not, he hasn't been good. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he might be close to the end.
A lot of people here don't want to believe that and are letting that mindset carry them into all sorts of irrational places regarding this draft.
Thinking the Giants should strongly consider a QB doesn't = "quitting on Eli" - and it's stupid that things always have to be so fucking black and white here.
I'm a huge Eli Manning fan who would love to see him give us one more run before it's over - I also realize that's unlikely and recognize that we have an opportunity here to draft a great successor.
It's really as simple as that.
Couldn't have presented it better. I'm skeptical the OP and others here can process this information clearly, however.
You don't read my posts. If you did, you'd know that I'm fine with taking a QB at two, just as arc said.
I just believe Eli has more left in the tank as well, but am fine planning for the future.
You've been the one backtracking all season, and unlike you, if we don't take a QB at 2 next week, I won't have to do a massive about face.
Britt, you've already responded giving credence to the stupid OP that it's "well documented" on both sides. As far as me, what, did I have an in season meltdown during a game that Eli is done? So i'm backtracking off an emotional post? You're the king of that over the years. And as far as the draft, i've been consistent (Not that it matters). Darnold if he's there, Barkley if he isn't. So i'm not QB or bust.
WTF.
And wanting it documented like it has some importance or consequence.
who the fuck are you? "I want it documented" - ok chief, we'll document it for you.
It's football, QB's rarely perform at an elite (or even high) level at Eli's age or beyond.
In sports it's better to replace someone a year too early than a year too late - especially your high dollar assets.
He's got 2 years left on his contract extending him beyond then probably guarantees the latter in my statement above this.
You should think about removing the emotional attachment to a 37 year old man.
also this
And my opinion has been most in line with the Giants actions, subsequently, also.
This thread sucks.
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Why are so many people here utterly incapable of separating two separate schools of thought? It fucking blows my mind.
Believe it or not, you actually CAN want the Giants to draft a QB without it having to be some major indictment on Eli.
Here are facts...
Eli is 37 years old. He has not played all that well the past two seasons. Especially last year.
We are picking 2nd in what is considered to be one of the strongest QB drafts in recent memory.
However, it's also fair to point out how poor Eli's protection and supporting casts have been (especially with Beckham on the shelf)
I love Eli Manning. He's one of the greatest athletes I have ever had the pleasure of rooting for.
But I'm also not going to let that blind me or look the other way regarding his recent performance. Poor cast or not, he hasn't been good. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he might be close to the end.
A lot of people here don't want to believe that and are letting that mindset carry them into all sorts of irrational places regarding this draft.
Thinking the Giants should strongly consider a QB doesn't = "quitting on Eli" - and it's stupid that things always have to be so fucking black and white here.
I'm a huge Eli Manning fan who would love to see him give us one more run before it's over - I also realize that's unlikely and recognize that we have an opportunity here to draft a great successor.
It's really as simple as that.
Couldn't have presented it better. I'm skeptical the OP and others here can process this information clearly, however.
You don't read my posts. If you did, you'd know that I'm fine with taking a QB at two, just as arc said.
I just believe Eli has more left in the tank as well, but am fine planning for the future.
You've been the one backtracking all season, and unlike you, if we don't take a QB at 2 next week, I won't have to do a massive about face.
Britt, you've already responded giving credence to the stupid OP that it's "well documented" on both sides. As far as me, what, did I have an in season meltdown during a game that Eli is done? So i'm backtracking off an emotional post? You're the king of that over the years. And as far as the draft, i've been consistent (Not that it matters). Darnold if he's there, Barkley if he isn't. So i'm not QB or bust.
All I said was that people's opinions are well documented. This topic has been beaten to death. It's pretty god damned clear where people stand, agree?
All we can do now is wait and let it watch out, agree?
If you agree with both of those things, you agree with my (up to this point until you called me out) point in this thread.
This thread sucks.
Check the date, junior:
Britt in VA : 11/26/2017 8:17 pm : link
Here's how it's going to go.
Eli's replacement is drafted in Round 1 this year IF, and this is a big IF, they are in position to draft somebody they covet.
Davis Webb and new Quarterback duel it out for #2 in camp.
Eli starts the season, and depending on how it goes, he continues to play if they're winning or contributing.
One of two things happen, the Giants have a successful season which results in Eli starting the following season in his final year in his deal and whatever happens happens? Or they struggle and the new coach decides mid season that it's time to make the transition and they do it, ala Warner to Eli.
I know it's hard for people to wrap their heads around, but here's what's NOT going to happen:
Davis Webb will not start any game this season. His best case scenario is to be elevated to number 2 and come in the 2nd half of games to get some time.
Eli will not be cut or traded in the offseason.
Eli will not be a pay cut. I could see him restructuring if he works out an agreement that he will be allowed to play out his contract and retire gracefully, but who knows....
I've been consistent with that train of thought since then.
November 2017 - ( New Window )
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girl way to put it. "Who's quitting on Eli"?
WTF.
And wanting it documented like it has some importance or consequence.
who the fuck are you? "I want it documented" - ok chief, we'll document it for you.
It's football, QB's rarely perform at an elite (or even high) level at Eli's age or beyond.
In sports it's better to replace someone a year too early than a year too late - especially your high dollar assets.
He's got 2 years left on his contract extending him beyond then probably guarantees the latter in my statement above this.
You should think about removing the emotional attachment to a 37 year old man.
also this
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Eli is at the end of a Great career. Maybe he has 1 year left, maybe 2 and an outside chance at 3. I happen to believe that his best days are behind him and he is in decline. Everyone faces the age factor and some at different ages. I dont see the same player from a few years back. He is not the player that led us to the Superbowl. It has pretty much been 6 years since this team was competitive.
It's time for the next chapter. Plenty of great QBs have gone on to teams that are considered a contender and have had success, if Eli wants to continue after this season I think he has a right to do that but this should be his last season if the Giants draft a QB. If we somehow decide not draft a QB I think its a mistake and if the GM is right about Eli we will be in a worse position to draft a QB. The Giants are not and should not be looking at this current roster as a Superbowl contender one or 2 players away. the team was a disaster last year, we have improved some areas and downgraded in others especially at CB.
Start the future regime, draft a QB and let Eli have his swan song. If somehow he puts together a great season and we are a strong playoff contender you can keep him another year. I just don't see that scenario and we are looking at a 6-8 win season. if we draft a QB and have a 6-8 win season Eli rides nicely off to the sunset. If we dont draft a QB and we have a 6-8 win season Eli, the coaches and GM will get roasted with the woulda,coulda shouldas because at least one of the QBs will be good enough.
Ok DK, take a breath
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Here is where Eli is - he's got even less mobility than ever, has happier feet than ever, still makes panicked decisions when the pocket collapses, and has never had a howitzer. Other than that, he's terrific.
Will he pull a game or two out of his arse now and again? Absolutely. And that will be the fuel the Eli is God Club needs to keep hope alive.
I have been all in for blowing the team up and trusting the process. Instead, we are postponing the inevitable with the hope that Eli will make another deal with the football devil and we make some inexplicable run through the playoffs. I really can't think of a dumber plan...
It was a disgusting display by the organization. How could you not get upset? If they go with QB next week, so be it. I'm fine with closing the chapter on Eli that way, but to bench him for Geno was pathetic.
I'm starting to get embarrassed for you. Do you really not understand the difference between actions taken in a work environment and fans opinions on an internet message board?
Nothing on this thread matters at all. No fans opinions of Eli matter. Eli is not worried about whether or not people believe in you. Whatever happens, he will be fine.
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girl way to put it. "Who's quitting on Eli"?
WTF.
And wanting it documented like it has some importance or consequence.
who the fuck are you? "I want it documented" - ok chief, we'll document it for you.
It's football, QB's rarely perform at an elite (or even high) level at Eli's age or beyond.
In sports it's better to replace someone a year too early than a year too late - especially your high dollar assets.
He's got 2 years left on his contract extending him beyond then probably guarantees the latter in my statement above this.
You should think about removing the emotional attachment to a 37 year old man.
also this
keep just lurking
Doubling down on the maturity - nice job.
2? You never liked him and gave up on him before 2007. haha
What people should all quit on is the sentimental influence on your football opinions.
Pff... I did this a LONG time ago.
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Put it down in writing, right now, if you have the guts.
Pff... I did this a LONG time ago.
Nobody has ever quit on you!!!
Only cause no one ever believed in you either.
See how much I have grown. Even I laughed at this one.
The 2nd daughter has made me a better man.
Well put. I was thinking more of beer muscle syndrome. Yours is much funnier :-)
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Put it down in writing, right now, if you have the guts.
Pff... I did this a LONG time ago.
Nobody has ever quit on you!!!
Only cause no one ever believed in you either.
Not even remotely true. You've been a believer since day one and you know it.
Nothing surprising here.
Nothing surprising here.
Yeah, this was really going to go far when you proclaimed that people just want to give Eli a "one year pity fuck"
Some riveting analysis there.
Trash usually gets met with trash.
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of some posters. The usual suspects.
Nothing surprising here.
Yeah, this was really going to go far when you proclaimed that people just want to give Eli a "one year pity fuck"
Some riveting analysis there.
Trash usually gets met with trash.
Wait, am I an Eli basher suspect now since I yhink this thread is silly!
Always time for a first.
Looking forward to your next wonderfully useless contribution to BBI.
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of some posters. The usual suspects.
Nothing surprising here.
Yeah, this was really going to go far when you proclaimed that people just want to give Eli a "one year pity fuck"
Some riveting analysis there.
Trash usually gets met with trash.
Wait, am I an Eli basher suspect now since I yhink this thread is silly!
Always time for a first.
ARE YOU QUITTING ON HIM OR NOT?
I NEED IT IN WRITING. NOW. ON RECORD.
You are a combative imbecile. That's a bad combination.
If your definition of quitting on Eli is caring about the future of the franchise at the most important position in sports then you're damn right I'm quitting on Eli.
That's been well-documented numerous times already..
Nothing surprising here.
Ur mom?