this could open a trade with the bills to then possibly trade back up with the broncos or a 3 team where broncos move back to 12 and we move back to 5 with the bills moving up to 2
that would pretty much give us a pick between of the following Barkley/Chubb/Nelson
this could open a trade with the bills to then possibly trade back up with the broncos or a 3 team where broncos move back to 12 and we move back to 5 with the bills moving up to 2
that would pretty much give us a pick between of the following Barkley/Chubb/Nelson
If the Giants move back, I don't think they are going to move back up.
this could open a trade with the bills to then possibly trade back up with the broncos or a 3 team where broncos move back to 12 and we move back to 5 with the bills moving up to 2
that would pretty much give us a pick between of the following Barkley/Chubb/Nelson
If the Giants move back, I don't think they are going to move back up.
correct, if Darnold is there I don't think we would consider trading back.
If Barkley is there and we have Barkley/Chubb/Nelson with similar grades...I think we would trade back if the right deal comes along because we would probably get a pick of one of them a 5
Bills don't need to get to #2 to get Rosen. He'll be gone by #12, but still be available at #5. #12, #22, and one of their second round picks might get them to #5. That of course assumes they want Rosen, but he is the QB most likely to be available at #5.
go from 2 to 5 and only accept next year's 1st from the Bills if they give Denver pick 22 and other picks? Or do we want more picks this year?
probably would accept the 1st next year because you never know injuries and BUF starting a rookie QB what if they are really bad and that pick ends up being top 10? That is huge value for us to move back 3 spots and still get Barkley or Chubb (whoever the browns don't take).
moved up to 5...i think they'd be content to stay there and get one of Mayfield, Allen, or Rosen. If they wanted the 2, I'd ask for one of their 2nd rounders and their 1st next year.
The Giants could move back up to #5 if Cleveland decides to go Chubb, Nelson, or a surprise player at #4, or if Cleveland trades down to a team like Miami or Arizona that may want to trade up and get the 4th QB taken, which could be Mayfield.
If the Giants threw in the additional 1st rounder likely acquired from Buffalo, that might do it. They may have to give up a little more, with something coming back. Perhaps a 3rd rounder with a Denver 4th round pick coming back our way.
only if (and I assume Gettleman feels the same way that he doesn't like any of the qbs) and we get 22 and next year's 1 and some additional goodies.
How do you think Buffalo is getting from #12 to #5 while keeping #22 and next year's 1st, and still have any additional "goodies" to throw in without gutting their draft?
And if dropping to #5 ends up costing the Giants a shot at a potential QB, let it at least be a consideration that we're all aware of what it will cost us at some point in the relatively near future if/when we may have to trade up for a QB.
only if (and I assume Gettleman feels the same way that he doesn't like any of the qbs) and we get 22 and next year's 1 and some additional goodies.
How do you think Buffalo is getting from #12 to #5 while keeping #22 and next year's 1st, and still have any additional "goodies" to throw in without gutting their draft?
And if dropping to #5 ends up costing the Giants a shot at a potential QB, let it at least be a consideration that we're all aware of what it will cost us at some point in the relatively near future if/when we may have to trade up for a QB.
Don't know and don't care. I would not trade from 2 to 5 for just one first round pick for next season from a playoff team. We have too much leverage. If Buffalo goes to 5, I have to imagine they are doing so on the belief we will not draft a qb and stop there. They can't make two trades. I would rather give them 2 and get 12, 22, and next year's first and some more rather than go from 2 to 5 and get next year's first.
Buffalo thinks
1. Cleveland-Darnold
2. Giants-Barkley
3. Jets-Mayfield
4. Browns-Chubb or Nelson
5. Bills--their choice of Allen or Rosen.
If they stop at 5 the Bills it means we are not taking a qb.
We're only limited to drafting players that Buffalo could possibly be assuming we're going to? That feels like a really unfair disadvantage for us.
Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
That guarantees you aren't getting as good of a return on a trade down than if you had kept quiet. I don't get Elway's strategy here.
I think his strategy is that he has the third qb ticket and knows it and wants to lock it in before we beat him to the punch. If teams are convinced we won't pick a QB, then Elway locks us in at 2 by stripping the Bills of their assets.
Elway locks us in with no room to maneuver if he and the rest of the league believes he has the third qb ticket and makes a deal with the final qb team. There is some risk for Buffalo that a team will make a deal with us, but I am sure they have gone over the assets of other teams to see if that is a possibility.
Elway locks us in with no room to maneuver if he and the rest of the league believes he has the third qb ticket and makes a deal with the final qb team. There is some risk for Buffalo that a team will make a deal with us, but I am sure they have gone over the assets of other teams to see if that is a possibility.
Elway doesn't do anything to us. Cleveland could trade out of 4 and we can still trade out of 2 or go QB, as is one credible rumor if Darnold is available.
In order to get the preferred QB for your team (after Cleveland's pick at one, which they aren't trading), you call Gettleman, not Elway.
That guarantees you aren't getting as good of a return on a trade down than if you had kept quiet. I don't get Elway's strategy here.
I think his strategy is that he has the third qb ticket and knows it and wants to lock it in before we beat him to the punch. If teams are convinced we won't pick a QB, then Elway locks us in at 2 by stripping the Bills of their assets.
Bills likely don't want just ANY of the top 4. They have probably locked in on 1 or 2 and know that either the #1 or #2 pick will assure them of that target.
Lets say Buff trades up to #5:
1. Browns-QB
2. Giants trade to a team wanting QB like Miami or Cards (theyve been much more quiiet than Bills but still possible or a surprise teams like Pats)- or they take Barkley
3.Jets-QB
4. Browns-non-QB
5. Bills- QB (either 3rd or 4th of the draft)
Do Bills want to 'settle' for 3rd or 4th guy off the board? If they think their top 2 targets would be gone?
If Bills move up to 5 they may still try one more move up. They have been the most motivated and ready to give up the farm to get their QB target. Perhaps that 3 way trade again from yesterday but this time Browns get 5 instead of 12. Giants go from 2 to 4 and pick up a couple picks but still get to draft their top target all along in Barkley (and at a lower pay slot). Buffalo does have enough draft capital to make this happen.
Elway locks us in with no room to maneuver if he and the rest of the league believes he has the third qb ticket and makes a deal with the final qb team. There is some risk for Buffalo that a team will make a deal with us, but I am sure they have gone over the assets of other teams to see if that is a possibility.
Elway doesn't do anything to us. Cleveland could trade out of 4 and we can still trade out of 2 or go QB, as is one credible rumor if Darnold is available.
In order to get the preferred QB for your team (after Cleveland's pick at one, which they aren't trading), you call Gettleman, not Elway.
you have to find a dance partner. Elway is making a play to get that dance partner. I have know idea if this will happen, but if you see a Buffalo/Denver trade, it is not to come up to 2 and it probably means we are locked in at 2. I have seen no smoke signals that Miami or Arizona are interested in moving up and trading with us.
Buffalo thinks
1. Cleveland-Darnold
2. Giants-Barkley
3. Jets-Mayfield
4. Browns-Chubb or Nelson
5. Bills--their choice of Allen or Rosen.
If they stop at 5 the Bills it means we are not taking a qb.
We're only limited to drafting players that Buffalo could possibly be assuming we're going to? That feels like a really unfair disadvantage for us.
Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
It could be that he wants to sell high before his #5 pick is worth less if #1/#2/#3 all go QB.
That's at least as conceivable as him knowing who we're going to pick and knowing that there's no way that Cleveland trades out of #4. Quite frankly, he shouldn't care whether he's got the slot for the 3rd QB; he should care about whether he can sell that idea to someone else.
And let's not pretend like the Broncos haven't been linked to QBs themselves. If they're looking to trade out, it could just as easily be that their target isn't going to be there at #5.
You are crafting this entirely out of your own belief that none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
Buffalo, we'll get scraps.....Or Beane gets ,fired if he gives the farm to get to #2.it
Miami and AZ. don't have assets, unless A z works something with Denver and sends a player of 2 from their D for Bettcher and get our #2.
We then focus on O in the draft at #13.
Buffalo thinks
1. Cleveland-Darnold
2. Giants-Barkley
3. Jets-Mayfield
4. Browns-Chubb or Nelson
5. Bills--their choice of Allen or Rosen.
If they stop at 5 the Bills it means we are not taking a qb.
We're only limited to drafting players that Buffalo could possibly be assuming we're going to? That feels like a really unfair disadvantage for us.
Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
It could be that he wants to sell high before his #5 pick is worth less if #1/#2/#3 all go QB.
That's at least as conceivable as him knowing who we're going to pick and knowing that there's no way that Cleveland trades out of #4. Quite frankly, he shouldn't care whether he's got the slot for the 3rd QB; he should care about whether he can sell that idea to someone else.
And let's not pretend like the Broncos haven't been linked to QBs themselves. If they're looking to trade out, it could just as easily be that their target isn't going to be there at #5.
You are crafting this entirely out of your own belief that none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
No, I am crafting it out of why I think Denver could be selling and if they sell to Buffalo what it means. I have no insider knowledge, my point is that Denver is probably positioning themselves for what they perceive to be the last trade partner for a QB. Now, why would anyone trade with Denver if they thought we could trade out of it? And, if they do trade with Denver to give us the 5 spot, do they have enough assets to make it worth it for us? Because if we want Barkley at 2, he probably won't be there at 5. So, there are a lot of moving parts, but that is my best read of it.
Why would Cleveland trade their fourth pick? They have been accumulating assets for years. It would surprise me the most if they traded from four. Again, also, you need a partner to trade with who has assets.
Buffalo, we'll get scraps.....Or Beane gets ,fired if he gives the farm to get to #2.it
Miami and AZ. don't have assets, unless A z works something with Denver and sends a player of 2 from their D for Bettcher and get our #2.
We then focus on O in the draft at #13.
Difference on draft value chart between 5 and 12 is only 500 pts. Their 2 2nd round picks (53 and 56) =710 pts. Lets say they 'overpaid' and gave up both those picks to go to #5. That would STILL leave them with pick 5, 22, 65,96 (in the top 3 rounds alone).
Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
It could be that he wants to sell high before his #5 pick is worth less if #1/#2/#3 all go QB.
That's at least as conceivable as him knowing who we're going to pick and knowing that there's no way that Cleveland trades out of #4. Quite frankly, he shouldn't care whether he's got the slot for the 3rd QB; he should care about whether he can sell that idea to someone else.
And let's not pretend like the Broncos haven't been linked to QBs themselves. If they're looking to trade out, it could just as easily be that their target isn't going to be there at #5.
You are crafting this entirely out of your own belief that none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
No, I am crafting it out of why I think Denver could be selling and if they sell to Buffalo what it means. I have no insider knowledge, my point is that Denver is probably positioning themselves for what they perceive to be the last trade partner for a QB. Now, why would anyone trade with Denver if they thought we could trade out of it? And, if they do trade with Denver to give us the 5 spot, do they have enough assets to make it worth it for us? Because if we want Barkley at 2, he probably won't be there at 5. So, there are a lot of moving parts, but that is my best read of it.
Because we haven't traded out yet. That's why Elway might feel compelled to get a trade done now, because as soon as we trade out, if it were to happen, Elway loses his leverage. At no point do we lose ours.
here at BBI is that no fricking way should we trade out of the top 5 or 6, because when you have an opportunity to get a blue chipper, you get one. Why wouldn't Denver want to get a blue chipper?
Of course, this presumes Denver wants to move down, not up.
Bills don't need to get to #2 to get Rosen. He'll be gone by #12, but still be available at #5. #12, #22, and one of their second round picks might get them to #5. That of course assumes they want Rosen, but he is the QB most likely to be available at #5.
How do you know this. I think Rosen is a classic Giants pick. and I am certain the Giants won't disabuse the Bills of that notion. It is possible Rosen drops to 5 (Allen, Darnold, Mayfield, Barkley, Rosen), but that is far far away from any guarantee.
Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
It could be that he wants to sell high before his #5 pick is worth less if #1/#2/#3 all go QB.
That's at least as conceivable as him knowing who we're going to pick and knowing that there's no way that Cleveland trades out of #4. Quite frankly, he shouldn't care whether he's got the slot for the 3rd QB; he should care about whether he can sell that idea to someone else.
And let's not pretend like the Broncos haven't been linked to QBs themselves. If they're looking to trade out, it could just as easily be that their target isn't going to be there at #5.
You are crafting this entirely out of your own belief that none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
No, I am crafting it out of why I think Denver could be selling and if they sell to Buffalo what it means. I have no insider knowledge, my point is that Denver is probably positioning themselves for what they perceive to be the last trade partner for a QB. Now, why would anyone trade with Denver if they thought we could trade out of it? And, if they do trade with Denver to give us the 5 spot, do they have enough assets to make it worth it for us? Because if we want Barkley at 2, he probably won't be there at 5. So, there are a lot of moving parts, but that is my best read of it.
Because we haven't traded out yet. That's why Elway might feel compelled to get a trade done now, because as soon as we trade out, if it were to happen, Elway loses his leverage. At no point do we lose ours.
If Buffalo goes to 5, I would love to know what our leverage is other than a pure bluff (because I would assume Buffalo would not trade with Denver unless they were sure we were not going QB) that we will pick a qb. Who are we going to do business with and what assets do they have that would make us give up Barkley? If I was Buffalo and I had no problem with either Allen, Rosen, or Mayfield, I would trade to five and roll the dice. Why get fleeced by the Giants. Good executives are very good at figuring out the market. So, back to my original point, if Buffalo trades with Denver, it means we are most likely going to select Barkley second.
Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
It could be that he wants to sell high before his #5 pick is worth less if #1/#2/#3 all go QB.
That's at least as conceivable as him knowing who we're going to pick and knowing that there's no way that Cleveland trades out of #4. Quite frankly, he shouldn't care whether he's got the slot for the 3rd QB; he should care about whether he can sell that idea to someone else.
And let's not pretend like the Broncos haven't been linked to QBs themselves. If they're looking to trade out, it could just as easily be that their target isn't going to be there at #5.
You are crafting this entirely out of your own belief that none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
No, I am crafting it out of why I think Denver could be selling and if they sell to Buffalo what it means. I have no insider knowledge, my point is that Denver is probably positioning themselves for what they perceive to be the last trade partner for a QB. Now, why would anyone trade with Denver if they thought we could trade out of it? And, if they do trade with Denver to give us the 5 spot, do they have enough assets to make it worth it for us? Because if we want Barkley at 2, he probably won't be there at 5. So, there are a lot of moving parts, but that is my best read of it.
Because we haven't traded out yet. That's why Elway might feel compelled to get a trade done now, because as soon as we trade out, if it were to happen, Elway loses his leverage. At no point do we lose ours.
If Buffalo goes to 5, I would love to know what our leverage is other than a pure bluff (because I would assume Buffalo would not trade with Denver unless they were sure we were not going QB) that we will pick a qb. Who are we going to do business with and what assets do they have that would make us give up Barkley? If I was Buffalo and I had no problem with either Allen, Rosen, or Mayfield, I would trade to five and roll the dice. Why get fleeced by the Giants. Good executives are very good at figuring out the market. So, back to my original point, if Buffalo trades with Denver, it means we are most likely going to select Barkley second.
Elway said the pick is for sale. You have decided that it's only for sale to Buffalo.
The other reason Elway might be so public about it Â
Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
It could be that he wants to sell high before his #5 pick is worth less if #1/#2/#3 all go QB.
That's at least as conceivable as him knowing who we're going to pick and knowing that there's no way that Cleveland trades out of #4. Quite frankly, he shouldn't care whether he's got the slot for the 3rd QB; he should care about whether he can sell that idea to someone else.
And let's not pretend like the Broncos haven't been linked to QBs themselves. If they're looking to trade out, it could just as easily be that their target isn't going to be there at #5.
You are crafting this entirely out of your own belief that none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
No, I am crafting it out of why I think Denver could be selling and if they sell to Buffalo what it means. I have no insider knowledge, my point is that Denver is probably positioning themselves for what they perceive to be the last trade partner for a QB. Now, why would anyone trade with Denver if they thought we could trade out of it? And, if they do trade with Denver to give us the 5 spot, do they have enough assets to make it worth it for us? Because if we want Barkley at 2, he probably won't be there at 5. So, there are a lot of moving parts, but that is my best read of it.
Because we haven't traded out yet. That's why Elway might feel compelled to get a trade done now, because as soon as we trade out, if it were to happen, Elway loses his leverage. At no point do we lose ours.
If Buffalo goes to 5, I would love to know what our leverage is other than a pure bluff (because I would assume Buffalo would not trade with Denver unless they were sure we were not going QB) that we will pick a qb. Who are we going to do business with and what assets do they have that would make us give up Barkley? If I was Buffalo and I had no problem with either Allen, Rosen, or Mayfield, I would trade to five and roll the dice. Why get fleeced by the Giants. Good executives are very good at figuring out the market. So, back to my original point, if Buffalo trades with Denver, it means we are most likely going to select Barkley second.
Elway said the pick is for sale. You have decided that it's only for sale to Buffalo.
No, I am just telling you what I think it means if Buffalo buys it and how it would affect us.
Bills don't need to get to #2 to get Rosen. He'll be gone by #12, but still be available at #5. #12, #22, and one of their second round picks might get them to #5. That of course assumes they want Rosen, but he is the QB most likely to be available at #5.
They don’t know that. No one knows that. No one even knows which QB Buffalo wants. What I do know is if Buffalo trades up to 5 rolling the dice on their guy being there, they could be stuck standing around with their dicks in their hands.
If Buffalo is going to trade up for their guy they might as well make their best offer to the Giants to go get him. Otherwise they could get stuck with the 4th best option at QB at pick 5.
Buffalo is guaranteed nothing if they move to 5... Â
that would pretty much give us a pick between of the following Barkley/Chubb/Nelson
that would pretty much give us a pick between of the following Barkley/Chubb/Nelson
If the Giants move back, I don't think they are going to move back up.
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this could open a trade with the bills to then possibly trade back up with the broncos or a 3 team where broncos move back to 12 and we move back to 5 with the bills moving up to 2
that would pretty much give us a pick between of the following Barkley/Chubb/Nelson
If the Giants move back, I don't think they are going to move back up.
correct, if Darnold is there I don't think we would consider trading back.
If Barkley is there and we have Barkley/Chubb/Nelson with similar grades...I think we would trade back if the right deal comes along because we would probably get a pick of one of them a 5
Depends on who I thought was available at 5. If it was Barkley, Chubb, or Nelson, then yeah, I'd take just a 1st next year.
You have to get more this year. You want your QB guaranteed, pay for it.
probably would accept the 1st next year because you never know injuries and BUF starting a rookie QB what if they are really bad and that pick ends up being top 10? That is huge value for us to move back 3 spots and still get Barkley or Chubb (whoever the browns don't take).
1. Cleveland-Darnold
2. Giants-Barkley
3. Jets-Mayfield
4. Browns-Chubb or Nelson
5. Bills--their choice of Allen or Rosen.
If they stop at 5 the Bills it means we are not taking a qb.
Like you have it. You just bought lonzos new CD
I'd rather have Buffalo's 2019 1st rounder than their other 1st this year..
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Like you have it. You just bought lonzos new CD
Didn't we all?
If the Giants threw in the additional 1st rounder likely acquired from Buffalo, that might do it. They may have to give up a little more, with something coming back. Perhaps a 3rd rounder with a Denver 4th round pick coming back our way.
I'd rather have Buffalo's 2019 1st rounder than their other 1st this year..
I agree. McCarron needs to be the goods year 1 for that team to win. And Lesean McCoy is just starting to show signs of falling off the RB cliff.
How do you think Buffalo is getting from #12 to #5 while keeping #22 and next year's 1st, and still have any additional "goodies" to throw in without gutting their draft?
And if dropping to #5 ends up costing the Giants a shot at a potential QB, let it at least be a consideration that we're all aware of what it will cost us at some point in the relatively near future if/when we may have to trade up for a QB.
1. Cleveland-Darnold
2. Giants-Barkley
3. Jets-Mayfield
4. Browns-Chubb or Nelson
5. Bills--their choice of Allen or Rosen.
If they stop at 5 the Bills it means we are not taking a qb.
We're only limited to drafting players that Buffalo could possibly be assuming we're going to? That feels like a really unfair disadvantage for us.
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only if (and I assume Gettleman feels the same way that he doesn't like any of the qbs) and we get 22 and next year's 1 and some additional goodies.
How do you think Buffalo is getting from #12 to #5 while keeping #22 and next year's 1st, and still have any additional "goodies" to throw in without gutting their draft?
And if dropping to #5 ends up costing the Giants a shot at a potential QB, let it at least be a consideration that we're all aware of what it will cost us at some point in the relatively near future if/when we may have to trade up for a QB.
Don't know and don't care. I would not trade from 2 to 5 for just one first round pick for next season from a playoff team. We have too much leverage. If Buffalo goes to 5, I have to imagine they are doing so on the belief we will not draft a qb and stop there. They can't make two trades. I would rather give them 2 and get 12, 22, and next year's first and some more rather than go from 2 to 5 and get next year's first.
That means a coveted QB falls to five.
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Buffalo thinks
1. Cleveland-Darnold
2. Giants-Barkley
3. Jets-Mayfield
4. Browns-Chubb or Nelson
5. Bills--their choice of Allen or Rosen.
If they stop at 5 the Bills it means we are not taking a qb.
We're only limited to drafting players that Buffalo could possibly be assuming we're going to? That feels like a really unfair disadvantage for us.
Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
I think his strategy is that he has the third qb ticket and knows it and wants to lock it in before we beat him to the punch. If teams are convinced we won't pick a QB, then Elway locks us in at 2 by stripping the Bills of their assets.
Elway doesn't do anything to us. Cleveland could trade out of 4 and we can still trade out of 2 or go QB, as is one credible rumor if Darnold is available.
In order to get the preferred QB for your team (after Cleveland's pick at one, which they aren't trading), you call Gettleman, not Elway.
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That guarantees you aren't getting as good of a return on a trade down than if you had kept quiet. I don't get Elway's strategy here.
I think his strategy is that he has the third qb ticket and knows it and wants to lock it in before we beat him to the punch. If teams are convinced we won't pick a QB, then Elway locks us in at 2 by stripping the Bills of their assets.
Bills likely don't want just ANY of the top 4. They have probably locked in on 1 or 2 and know that either the #1 or #2 pick will assure them of that target.
Lets say Buff trades up to #5:
1. Browns-QB
2. Giants trade to a team wanting QB like Miami or Cards (theyve been much more quiiet than Bills but still possible or a surprise teams like Pats)- or they take Barkley
3.Jets-QB
4. Browns-non-QB
5. Bills- QB (either 3rd or 4th of the draft)
Do Bills want to 'settle' for 3rd or 4th guy off the board? If they think their top 2 targets would be gone?
If Bills move up to 5 they may still try one more move up. They have been the most motivated and ready to give up the farm to get their QB target. Perhaps that 3 way trade again from yesterday but this time Browns get 5 instead of 12. Giants go from 2 to 4 and pick up a couple picks but still get to draft their top target all along in Barkley (and at a lower pay slot). Buffalo does have enough draft capital to make this happen.
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Elway locks us in with no room to maneuver if he and the rest of the league believes he has the third qb ticket and makes a deal with the final qb team. There is some risk for Buffalo that a team will make a deal with us, but I am sure they have gone over the assets of other teams to see if that is a possibility.
Elway doesn't do anything to us. Cleveland could trade out of 4 and we can still trade out of 2 or go QB, as is one credible rumor if Darnold is available.
In order to get the preferred QB for your team (after Cleveland's pick at one, which they aren't trading), you call Gettleman, not Elway.
you have to find a dance partner. Elway is making a play to get that dance partner. I have know idea if this will happen, but if you see a Buffalo/Denver trade, it is not to come up to 2 and it probably means we are locked in at 2. I have seen no smoke signals that Miami or Arizona are interested in moving up and trading with us.
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Buffalo thinks
1. Cleveland-Darnold
2. Giants-Barkley
3. Jets-Mayfield
4. Browns-Chubb or Nelson
5. Bills--their choice of Allen or Rosen.
If they stop at 5 the Bills it means we are not taking a qb.
We're only limited to drafting players that Buffalo could possibly be assuming we're going to? That feels like a really unfair disadvantage for us.
Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
It could be that he wants to sell high before his #5 pick is worth less if #1/#2/#3 all go QB.
That's at least as conceivable as him knowing who we're going to pick and knowing that there's no way that Cleveland trades out of #4. Quite frankly, he shouldn't care whether he's got the slot for the 3rd QB; he should care about whether he can sell that idea to someone else.
And let's not pretend like the Broncos haven't been linked to QBs themselves. If they're looking to trade out, it could just as easily be that their target isn't going to be there at #5.
You are crafting this entirely out of your own belief that none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
Miami and AZ. don't have assets, unless A z works something with Denver and sends a player of 2 from their D for Bettcher and get our #2.
We then focus on O in the draft at #13.
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Buffalo thinks
1. Cleveland-Darnold
2. Giants-Barkley
3. Jets-Mayfield
4. Browns-Chubb or Nelson
5. Bills--their choice of Allen or Rosen.
If they stop at 5 the Bills it means we are not taking a qb.
We're only limited to drafting players that Buffalo could possibly be assuming we're going to? That feels like a really unfair disadvantage for us.
Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
It could be that he wants to sell high before his #5 pick is worth less if #1/#2/#3 all go QB.
That's at least as conceivable as him knowing who we're going to pick and knowing that there's no way that Cleveland trades out of #4. Quite frankly, he shouldn't care whether he's got the slot for the 3rd QB; he should care about whether he can sell that idea to someone else.
And let's not pretend like the Broncos haven't been linked to QBs themselves. If they're looking to trade out, it could just as easily be that their target isn't going to be there at #5.
You are crafting this entirely out of your own belief that none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
No, I am crafting it out of why I think Denver could be selling and if they sell to Buffalo what it means. I have no insider knowledge, my point is that Denver is probably positioning themselves for what they perceive to be the last trade partner for a QB. Now, why would anyone trade with Denver if they thought we could trade out of it? And, if they do trade with Denver to give us the 5 spot, do they have enough assets to make it worth it for us? Because if we want Barkley at 2, he probably won't be there at 5. So, there are a lot of moving parts, but that is my best read of it.
Why would Cleveland trade their fourth pick? They have been accumulating assets for years. It would surprise me the most if they traded from four. Again, also, you need a partner to trade with who has assets.
Miami and AZ. don't have assets, unless A z works something with Denver and sends a player of 2 from their D for Bettcher and get our #2.
We then focus on O in the draft at #13.
Difference on draft value chart between 5 and 12 is only 500 pts. Their 2 2nd round picks (53 and 56) =710 pts. Lets say they 'overpaid' and gave up both those picks to go to #5. That would STILL leave them with pick 5, 22, 65,96 (in the top 3 rounds alone).
It could be that he wants to sell high before his #5 pick is worth less if #1/#2/#3 all go QB.
That's at least as conceivable as him knowing who we're going to pick and knowing that there's no way that Cleveland trades out of #4. Quite frankly, he shouldn't care whether he's got the slot for the 3rd QB; he should care about whether he can sell that idea to someone else.
And let's not pretend like the Broncos haven't been linked to QBs themselves. If they're looking to trade out, it could just as easily be that their target isn't going to be there at #5.
You are crafting this entirely out of your own belief that none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
No, I am crafting it out of why I think Denver could be selling and if they sell to Buffalo what it means. I have no insider knowledge, my point is that Denver is probably positioning themselves for what they perceive to be the last trade partner for a QB. Now, why would anyone trade with Denver if they thought we could trade out of it? And, if they do trade with Denver to give us the 5 spot, do they have enough assets to make it worth it for us? Because if we want Barkley at 2, he probably won't be there at 5. So, there are a lot of moving parts, but that is my best read of it.
Because we haven't traded out yet. That's why Elway might feel compelled to get a trade done now, because as soon as we trade out, if it were to happen, Elway loses his leverage. At no point do we lose ours.
Of course, this presumes Denver wants to move down, not up.
How do you know this. I think Rosen is a classic Giants pick. and I am certain the Giants won't disabuse the Bills of that notion. It is possible Rosen drops to 5 (Allen, Darnold, Mayfield, Barkley, Rosen), but that is far far away from any guarantee.
People need to understand that Elway may not be that great at his job.
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Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
It could be that he wants to sell high before his #5 pick is worth less if #1/#2/#3 all go QB.
That's at least as conceivable as him knowing who we're going to pick and knowing that there's no way that Cleveland trades out of #4. Quite frankly, he shouldn't care whether he's got the slot for the 3rd QB; he should care about whether he can sell that idea to someone else.
And let's not pretend like the Broncos haven't been linked to QBs themselves. If they're looking to trade out, it could just as easily be that their target isn't going to be there at #5.
You are crafting this entirely out of your own belief that none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
No, I am crafting it out of why I think Denver could be selling and if they sell to Buffalo what it means. I have no insider knowledge, my point is that Denver is probably positioning themselves for what they perceive to be the last trade partner for a QB. Now, why would anyone trade with Denver if they thought we could trade out of it? And, if they do trade with Denver to give us the 5 spot, do they have enough assets to make it worth it for us? Because if we want Barkley at 2, he probably won't be there at 5. So, there are a lot of moving parts, but that is my best read of it.
Because we haven't traded out yet. That's why Elway might feel compelled to get a trade done now, because as soon as we trade out, if it were to happen, Elway loses his leverage. At no point do we lose ours.
If Buffalo goes to 5, I would love to know what our leverage is other than a pure bluff (because I would assume Buffalo would not trade with Denver unless they were sure we were not going QB) that we will pick a qb. Who are we going to do business with and what assets do they have that would make us give up Barkley? If I was Buffalo and I had no problem with either Allen, Rosen, or Mayfield, I would trade to five and roll the dice. Why get fleeced by the Giants. Good executives are very good at figuring out the market. So, back to my original point, if Buffalo trades with Denver, it means we are most likely going to select Barkley second.
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Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
It could be that he wants to sell high before his #5 pick is worth less if #1/#2/#3 all go QB.
That's at least as conceivable as him knowing who we're going to pick and knowing that there's no way that Cleveland trades out of #4. Quite frankly, he shouldn't care whether he's got the slot for the 3rd QB; he should care about whether he can sell that idea to someone else.
And let's not pretend like the Broncos haven't been linked to QBs themselves. If they're looking to trade out, it could just as easily be that their target isn't going to be there at #5.
You are crafting this entirely out of your own belief that none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
No, I am crafting it out of why I think Denver could be selling and if they sell to Buffalo what it means. I have no insider knowledge, my point is that Denver is probably positioning themselves for what they perceive to be the last trade partner for a QB. Now, why would anyone trade with Denver if they thought we could trade out of it? And, if they do trade with Denver to give us the 5 spot, do they have enough assets to make it worth it for us? Because if we want Barkley at 2, he probably won't be there at 5. So, there are a lot of moving parts, but that is my best read of it.
Because we haven't traded out yet. That's why Elway might feel compelled to get a trade done now, because as soon as we trade out, if it were to happen, Elway loses his leverage. At no point do we lose ours.
If Buffalo goes to 5, I would love to know what our leverage is other than a pure bluff (because I would assume Buffalo would not trade with Denver unless they were sure we were not going QB) that we will pick a qb. Who are we going to do business with and what assets do they have that would make us give up Barkley? If I was Buffalo and I had no problem with either Allen, Rosen, or Mayfield, I would trade to five and roll the dice. Why get fleeced by the Giants. Good executives are very good at figuring out the market. So, back to my original point, if Buffalo trades with Denver, it means we are most likely going to select Barkley second.
Elway said the pick is for sale. You have decided that it's only for sale to Buffalo.
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Denver is selling because they know think they have the third qb ticket. Meaning the Giants are drafting Barkley. Something happened today to make Elway do this.
It could be that he wants to sell high before his #5 pick is worth less if #1/#2/#3 all go QB.
That's at least as conceivable as him knowing who we're going to pick and knowing that there's no way that Cleveland trades out of #4. Quite frankly, he shouldn't care whether he's got the slot for the 3rd QB; he should care about whether he can sell that idea to someone else.
And let's not pretend like the Broncos haven't been linked to QBs themselves. If they're looking to trade out, it could just as easily be that their target isn't going to be there at #5.
You are crafting this entirely out of your own belief that none of the QBs are worth the #2 pick.
No, I am crafting it out of why I think Denver could be selling and if they sell to Buffalo what it means. I have no insider knowledge, my point is that Denver is probably positioning themselves for what they perceive to be the last trade partner for a QB. Now, why would anyone trade with Denver if they thought we could trade out of it? And, if they do trade with Denver to give us the 5 spot, do they have enough assets to make it worth it for us? Because if we want Barkley at 2, he probably won't be there at 5. So, there are a lot of moving parts, but that is my best read of it.
Because we haven't traded out yet. That's why Elway might feel compelled to get a trade done now, because as soon as we trade out, if it were to happen, Elway loses his leverage. At no point do we lose ours.
If Buffalo goes to 5, I would love to know what our leverage is other than a pure bluff (because I would assume Buffalo would not trade with Denver unless they were sure we were not going QB) that we will pick a qb. Who are we going to do business with and what assets do they have that would make us give up Barkley? If I was Buffalo and I had no problem with either Allen, Rosen, or Mayfield, I would trade to five and roll the dice. Why get fleeced by the Giants. Good executives are very good at figuring out the market. So, back to my original point, if Buffalo trades with Denver, it means we are most likely going to select Barkley second.
Elway said the pick is for sale. You have decided that it's only for sale to Buffalo.
No, I am just telling you what I think it means if Buffalo buys it and how it would affect us.
Cleveland-Giants-Buffalo
Buffalo gets 2nd
Giants gets 4th and 22nd
Cleveland gets 12 ++++++
Denver-Miami-Giants
Miami gets 4th
Giants gets 5th and Miami 2nd & 3rd
Denver gets 11th +++++
They don’t know that. No one knows that. No one even knows which QB Buffalo wants. What I do know is if Buffalo trades up to 5 rolling the dice on their guy being there, they could be stuck standing around with their dicks in their hands.
If Buffalo is going to trade up for their guy they might as well make their best offer to the Giants to go get him. Otherwise they could get stuck with the 4th best option at QB at pick 5.
Not a factor- in this discussion.
Elway wants a QB, particularly, if the Browns pick Barkley @#1; a trade with us gives John Elway his QB pick of the ENTIRE board at #2 over-all.
If the Browns pick a QB at #1, he might still get his man at #2.
Denver offers #5 over-all, #40 over-all, #71 over all, 105 over-all, and we might be able to squeeze a #1 or #2 2019 out of him