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NFT: Mets at Braves Game 1. Harveys last chance?

ZGiants98 : 4/19/2018 4:40 pm
Mets Lineup

Michael Conforto CF
Yoenis Cespedes LF
Asdrubal Cabrera 2B
Jay Bruce RF
Todd Frazier 3B
Adrian Gonzalez 1B
Jose Lobaton C
Matt Harvey RHP
Amed Rosario SS

Braves Lineup

Ender Inciarte CF
Ozzie Albies 2B
Freddie Freeman 1B
Nick Markakis RF
Kurt Suzuki C
Preston Tucker LF
Dansby Swanson SS
Ryan Flaherty 3B
Matt Wisler RHP

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This guy is awful  
Rflairr : 4/19/2018 8:27 pm : link
Just a mediocre pitcher. Theyre teeing off on this dude. Cant keep making excuses for him
It took until NOW to get someone warming up in the pen?  
GiantFilthy : 4/19/2018 8:28 pm : link
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Get Gsellman up  
Rflairr : 4/19/2018 8:28 pm : link
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Anthopoulos has made some very solid under the radar acquisitions  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 8:29 pm : link
Trading for McCarthy, acquiring Shane Carle and Preston Tucker for cash, signing Anibal Sanchez to a minor league deal.
I feel more comfortable with this lead  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 8:30 pm : link
now that Jose Ramirez is on the DL.
RE: It took until NOW to get someone warming up in the pen?  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13921789 GiantFilthy said:
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I think they're at the point where it's not even worth burning out the pen. Just leave him out there and forget about this game.

Thor and Jake going in the next two, try and take those and then see what happens Sunday with Wheeler.
RE: Get Gsellman up  
SJGiant : 4/19/2018 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13921790 Rflairr said:
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Why waste him on this game ?
Need two runs  
SJGiant : 4/19/2018 8:32 pm : link
This inning. Otherwise call it a night
RE: RE: It took until NOW to get someone warming up in the pen?  
GiantFilthy : 4/19/2018 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13921794 arcarsenal said:
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I think they're at the point where it's not even worth burning out the pen. Just leave him out there and forget about this game.

Thor and Jake going in the next two, try and take those and then see what happens Sunday with Wheeler.

Good point. Have the Mets ever sent him down to AAA at all these last couple of years. I don't recall. Would they now?
This game is far from over  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 8:33 pm : link
Snitker usually makes things interesting with his bullpen utilization.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 8:33 pm : link
Matz only went 4 last night so you really can't yank your starter in the 3rd the very next night.

Hate waving the white flag on any game but we have a better chance of at least splitting this 4 game set if we just leave Matt out there to suck up another 2 innings.
RE: RE: RE: It took until NOW to get someone warming up in the pen?  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13921797 GiantFilthy said:
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I think they're at the point where it's not even worth burning out the pen. Just leave him out there and forget about this game.

Thor and Jake going in the next two, try and take those and then see what happens Sunday with Wheeler.


Good point. Have the Mets ever sent him down to AAA at all these last couple of years. I don't recall. Would they now?


Only for rehab starts when he was coming back from injury - I don't believe he's ever been sent down when "healthy"

But if there's a time to do it, it's now. I don't think he even has any use as a BP guy right now.

He has to go down and work on some things.

It's not the velocity.

Corey Kluber tops out at like 93 and he's utterly dominant. Matt has to learn to pitch. He got by as a thrower when he had overpowering stuff. That wont work anymore.
RE: This game is far from over  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2018 8:36 pm : link
In comment 13921799 Jay on the Island said:
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Snitker usually makes things interesting with his bullpen utilization.


Bullpen? At this rate Wisler won't need 100 pitches to go 9.
I really hope Mickey isnt an idiot about this and doesnt keep  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2018 8:40 pm : link
trotting Harvey out there. Hes not a good pitcher anymore and unlike some others, I dont feel bad for him. Sorry, maybe that makes me a dick but sometimes its settling the see assholes fall from grace.
I think this is the end for a while for Harvey  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2018 8:43 pm : link

Maybe DL him for a while.

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Opponents are batting .309 against Matt Harvey ... No bueno.
Harvey looks like a moron on the mound with a lip in his mouth.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2018 8:43 pm : link
Dim Knight.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 8:47 pm : link
LOL. I still don't understand the angst. The guy emptied the tank for this team in 2015 to try and win a World Series and now he's probably going to be out of the league before he ever sees the type of payday he was on track for before the TOS.

Not sure why any Mets fan would find satisfaction in that or enjoy watching him fall from grace. Kinda shitty if you ask me. But everyone's entitled to their opinion.
This game isn't over.  
GiantFilthy : 4/19/2018 8:50 pm : link
Wisler is having a great game, but these first 4 innings are not who he is. The bullpen has already shown this season that no lead is safe, though it helps that the worst culprit is on the DL.
RE: This game isn't over.  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13921837 GiantFilthy said:
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Wisler is having a great game, but these first 4 innings are not who he is. The bullpen has already shown this season that no lead is safe, though it helps that the worst culprit is on the DL.

Yeah Wisler is bound to walk the bases loaded. Luckily Ramirez is on the DL and Luke Jackson is back in AAA. I wonder if we will see the debut of Biddle tonight.
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PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2018 8:54 pm : link
In comment 13921828 arcarsenal said:
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LOL. I still don't understand the angst. The guy emptied the tank for this team in 2015 to try and win a World Series and now he's probably going to be out of the league before he ever sees the type of payday he was on track for before the TOS.

Not sure why any Mets fan would find satisfaction in that or enjoy watching him fall from grace. Kinda shitty if you ask me. But everyone's entitled to their opinion.


Shitty? Maybe. I know a few assholes in my life that I wouldnt mind see fall on their ass. Im okay with that. Its hard to feel bad for jerk millionaires. Ive put up with a lot of rich assholes. Or maybe its the bottle of wine that Ive had lol.

Harvey wasnt even out of high school when he felt the world owed him something. Earn it back, buddy.
Who enjoys his demise?  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2018 8:55 pm : link
it's possible I missed a Mets fan rejoicing at the beating the Mets take every time he takes the mound.

2015 was awesome, and at the time I was grateful for his and everyone's effort to make that happen.

this is 2018 and he sucks, he should be on the DL or somewhere until if and when he gets straightened but at a minimum he shouldn't be starting anymore while this is what they'll get from him.
RE: Who enjoys his demise?  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2018 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13921849 pjcas18 said:
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it's possible I missed a Mets fan rejoicing at the beating the Mets take every time he takes the mound.

2015 was awesome, and at the time I was grateful for his and everyone's effort to make that happen.

this is 2018 and he sucks, he should be on the DL or somewhere until if and when he gets straightened but at a minimum he shouldn't be starting anymore while this is what they'll get from him.


That was directed at me, rightfully so. I enjoy his demise.

Of course, Id cheer him on if he was good. I have zero connection to Harvey. And Ive been drinking.
RE: Who enjoys his demise?  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13921849 pjcas18 said:
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it's possible I missed a Mets fan rejoicing at the beating the Mets take every time he takes the mound.

2015 was awesome, and at the time I was grateful for his and everyone's effort to make that happen.

this is 2018 and he sucks, he should be on the DL or somewhere until if and when he gets straightened but at a minimum he shouldn't be starting anymore while this is what they'll get from him.


Two posts above mine.

Anyway - I don't see any point in kicking dirt on the guy now. He absolutely sucks out there. I never said he didn't and I sure as hell didn't defend any of his performances lately.

I'm just sure that it sucks to be capable of what he was a few years ago and just not have that ability anymore because his body couldn't hold up. It is going to cost him millions and millions of dollars.

I don't enjoy that part of it and I'm definitely not happy to see it happen to him.

Ronnie is actually talking about it right now. You have to really hate him to not at least feel a little bit bad for how far he's fallen. I don't think anything he said or did in the past was so bad to say that he actually deserves this.

But again, that's just me... I won't go on and on about this and turn the thread into an argument about whether Harvey is or isn't a dick.

He's clearly been very humbled by all of this. The bad man is gone. We can leave him alone now. He'll be off the team after this season in all liklihood.
RE: RE: Who enjoys his demise?  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2018 9:02 pm : link
In comment 13921863 arcarsenal said:
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it's possible I missed a Mets fan rejoicing at the beating the Mets take every time he takes the mound.

2015 was awesome, and at the time I was grateful for his and everyone's effort to make that happen.

this is 2018 and he sucks, he should be on the DL or somewhere until if and when he gets straightened but at a minimum he shouldn't be starting anymore while this is what they'll get from him.



Two posts above mine.

Anyway - I don't see any point in kicking dirt on the guy now. He absolutely sucks out there. I never said he didn't and I sure as hell didn't defend any of his performances lately.

I'm just sure that it sucks to be capable of what he was a few years ago and just not have that ability anymore because his body couldn't hold up. It is going to cost him millions and millions of dollars.

I don't enjoy that part of it and I'm definitely not happy to see it happen to him.

Ronnie is actually talking about it right now. You have to really hate him to not at least feel a little bit bad for how far he's fallen. I don't think anything he said or did in the past was so bad to say that he actually deserves this.

But again, that's just me... I won't go on and on about this and turn the thread into an argument about whether Harvey is or isn't a dick.

He's clearly been very humbled by all of this. The bad man is gone. We can leave him alone now. He'll be off the team after this season in all liklihood.


I see it now, yeah I take no joy in it and I'm not kicking dirt on him, at the same time sports is a what have you done for me lately business.

Thank you Matt Harvey for your service, if you can't pitch well you can't pitch for my team (if I'm making the calls).
The Mets should consider sending Rosario down to AAA  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 9:07 pm : link
to get his confidence up. His numbers are eerily similar to Swanson's last season. The Braves sent him down and his numbers improved upon his return.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 9:08 pm : link
Absolutely - I don't want him out there out of loyalty. He's not helping the team at all anymore. So, either he's got to learn to pitch with what he has or this is going to be the last start he makes for the Mets.

I'd just be a lot happier if he was still the pitcher he was before.
RE: The Mets should consider sending Rosario down to AAA  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13921881 Jay on the Island said:
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to get his confidence up. His numbers are eerily similar to Swanson's last season. The Braves sent him down and his numbers improved upon his return.


The problem with that is that we don't have much @ SS - Reyes is pitiful. Although perhaps regular PT would help him get out of the slump.

But outside of Jose, we don't have many other options to fill that spot. Cabrera there isn't ideal - he's much better @ 2B. He can play there in a pinch but the range is very limited.

Even Reyes isn't half the fielder he used to be.

Rosario's plate discipline needs a ton of work. But he might have to work that out up here.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 9:18 pm : link
Go figure.. this is the night he gets through 6. LOL.

I'm glad he settled in somewhat though. We needed him to suck up a few more innings after needing the pen for 5 innings last night.
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Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13921903 arcarsenal said:
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Go figure.. this is the night he gets through 6. LOL.

I'm glad he settled in somewhat though. We needed him to suck up a few more innings after needing the pen for 5 innings last night.

Yeah he definitely battled back and gave 6 much needed innings.
RE: RE: The Mets should consider sending Rosario down to AAA  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13921885 arcarsenal said:
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to get his confidence up. His numbers are eerily similar to Swanson's last season. The Braves sent him down and his numbers improved upon his return.



The problem with that is that we don't have much @ SS - Reyes is pitiful. Although perhaps regular PT would help him get out of the slump.

But outside of Jose, we don't have many other options to fill that spot. Cabrera there isn't ideal - he's much better @ 2B. He can play there in a pinch but the range is very limited.

Even Reyes isn't half the fielder he used to be.

Rosario's plate discipline needs a ton of work. But he might have to work that out up here.

You can have Charlie Culberson. All we want in return is a half eaten hot dog.
RE: RE: RE: The Mets should consider sending Rosario down to AAA  
GiantFilthy : 4/19/2018 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13921914 Jay on the Island said:
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to get his confidence up. His numbers are eerily similar to Swanson's last season. The Braves sent him down and his numbers improved upon his return.



The problem with that is that we don't have much @ SS - Reyes is pitiful. Although perhaps regular PT would help him get out of the slump.

But outside of Jose, we don't have many other options to fill that spot. Cabrera there isn't ideal - he's much better @ 2B. He can play there in a pinch but the range is very limited.

Even Reyes isn't half the fielder he used to be.

Rosario's plate discipline needs a ton of work. But he might have to work that out up here.


You can have Charlie Culberson. All we want in return is a half eaten hot dog.

We don't even care who took the bite.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 9:26 pm : link
Should have given us Andrelton Simmons. :(
I owe Wisler an apology  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 9:30 pm : link
This was one of the best performances of his career.
RE: Easy win for the Mets  
DonQuixote : 4/19/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13921437 Jay on the Island said:
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With Wisler going.


It's amazing that anyone would say this in the sport of baseball, and as I am watch, Wisler is pitching a 2 hitter into the 8th ...
Was hoping wed come out charging against Wisler after  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2018 9:31 pm : link
last nights win but more of the same. Maybe its not the cold? Does it need to be a perfect 85 degrees with no wind for the Mets to be comfortable hitting? Jesus. More launch angles please.
RE: I owe Wisler an apology  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2018 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13921919 Jay on the Island said:
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This was one of the best performances of his career.


Its against the Mets. Their should be an asterisk next to this win.
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DonQuixote : 4/19/2018 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13921752 arcarsenal said:
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a chance in the rotation.



I'd leave him in the pen for now - we already have Vargas coming back. So to put Gsellman in the rotation, we'd have to pull Matz or Wheeler out of it along with Harvey.


Plus I had read somewhere that opposing batters hit Gsellman better and better each time they face him, suggesting he might be better in relief right now.
Id be fine with sending Rosario it AAA for a bit if our fallback  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2018 9:33 pm : link
wasnt Jos fucking Reyes.
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DonQuixote : 4/19/2018 9:38 pm : link
In comment 13921801 arcarsenal said:
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Matz only went 4 last night so you really can't yank your starter in the 3rd the very next night.

Hate waving the white flag on any game but we have a better chance of at least splitting this 4 game set if we just leave Matt out there to suck up another 2 innings.


I agree. The announcers were saying how managing these days is all about trying your best to win each game. I am not sure how that can be true. If you are down 5 in late innings, you don't give up, but you don't pitch anyone in a way that hampers your chances the next night.
RE: I owe Wisler an apology  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13921919 Jay on the Island said:
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This was one of the best performances of his career.


LOL, I told ya man...

Any time a Mets win is supposed to be easy... it isn't.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 9:42 pm : link
Alrighty - I had at least a tiny glimmer of hope down 5 runs, but tonight is not our night.

Need Thor to go 7+ tomorrow night. No more excuses.
RE: RE: I owe Wisler an apology  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13921943 arcarsenal said:
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This was one of the best performances of his career.



LOL, I told ya man...

Any time a Mets win is supposed to be easy... it isn't.

I just thought that with his horrific performance last season and during ST along with the Mets comeback last night that tonight's game would be a blowout.
If Tucker keeps this up  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 9:44 pm : link
We might not see Acuna until Mid May after the super two cutoff.
Nothing good happening tonight  
Shecky : 4/19/2018 9:45 pm : link
With the bug club or the Future Mets. Bleccchhhhh
So, allow me to clarify and slightly redeem myself.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2018 9:46 pm : link
Im not actually rooting for Harvey to lose. That would be crazy. I always thought he was a me-first player. Hes always been in it for the money before anything else. Always had a thousand excuses. Acted like he was the King before he accomplished anything. Ive never been a Harvey guy.

I do appreciate what little he did accomplish for the Mets. But I feel zero connection to him as a player (like I would maybe with David Wright, but I was much younger) and if Im being honest...I really dont feel bad for him. If that makes me a bad guy, Im okay with that. I mean, Im an adult so I really dont have a connection to any of these guys lol but Harvey has always just rubbed me the wrong way.
Can we send Harvey  
spike : 4/19/2018 9:52 pm : link
To AAA?
They better take Freeman out now  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 9:54 pm : link
No reason to keep him in at this point.
RE: So, allow me to clarify and slightly redeem myself.  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13921955 PhiPsi125 said:
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Im not actually rooting for Harvey to lose. That would be crazy. I always thought he was a me-first player. Hes always been in it for the money before anything else. Always had a thousand excuses. Acted like he was the King before he accomplished anything. Ive never been a Harvey guy.

I do appreciate what little he did accomplish for the Mets. But I feel zero connection to him as a player (like I would maybe with David Wright, but I was much younger) and if Im being honest...I really dont feel bad for him. If that makes me a bad guy, Im okay with that. I mean, Im an adult so I really dont have a connection to any of these guys lol but Harvey has always just rubbed me the wrong way.


This I really have no issue with.

If you say you're enjoying his demise, I think that's a little much - but hey man, we've done this a billion times already. No reason for us to waste more time on it.

I get why he rubbed people the wrong way. I actually thought a little humble pie would serve him well. But unfortunately the stuff just isn't there anymore and unless he finds a way to totally re-invent himself, he's nothing more than a fringe back end starter.

So, I think we can all agree that if Jason Vargas is going to jump into the rotation upon his return, it's Matt's spot he should take. And Matt should really go down and be instructed to work on becoming more of a pitcher.

If he can't do that, he's not going to find many potential suitors after he leaves here.
Is Snitker trying to blow  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 10:06 pm : link
two 10-2 leads in the same week? Take Sims out holy shit.
Harvey is toast.  
NyquistX3 : 4/19/2018 11:33 pm : link
Thoracic outlet syndrome is tough to come back from.
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