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NFT: Mets at Braves Game 1. Harvey’s last chance?

ZGiants98 : 4/19/2018 4:40 pm
Mets Lineup

Michael Conforto – CF
Yoenis Cespedes – LF
Asdrubal Cabrera – 2B
Jay Bruce – RF
Todd Frazier – 3B
Adrian Gonzalez – 1B
Jose Lobaton – C
Matt Harvey – RHP
Amed Rosario – SS

Braves Lineup

Ender Inciarte – CF
Ozzie Albies – 2B
Freddie Freeman – 1B
Nick Markakis – RF
Kurt Suzuki – C
Preston Tucker – LF
Dansby Swanson – SS
Ryan Flaherty – 3B
Matt Wisler – RHP

LGM!
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Easy win for the Mets  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 4:42 pm : link
With Wisler going.
surprised Freeman  
CMicks3110 : 4/19/2018 4:43 pm : link
is back in there
RE: Easy win for the Mets  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2018 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13921437 Jay on the Island said:
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With Wisler going.


No such thing as an easy win for the Mets.

Get out of here with your reverse psychology, lol!
Wisler is awful  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 4:45 pm : link
I was hoping that Soroka would have gotten the call.
What are the temps in Atl?  
Chris684 : 4/19/2018 4:45 pm : link
I will enjoy watching baseball in something more like baseball weather.
You could say the same  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2018 4:45 pm : link
For Harvey.
Really should be Soroka.  
GiantFilthy : 4/19/2018 4:47 pm : link
Also, just like we ALL predicted before the season going in to 4/19/18.

Chris684,  
GiantFilthy : 4/19/2018 4:48 pm : link
nice day in Atlanta today. Probably in the upper 50's come game time.
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GiantFilthy : 4/19/2018 4:49 pm : link
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Nothing official yet, but knowing Freeman he'll lobby to be in tonight's lineup as long as today's tests confirmed his left wrist/hand was not fractured.

Looks like it may have worked. Huge relief.
Freeman couldn't take one damn day?!  
debo_GIANTS : 4/19/2018 4:53 pm : link
Jeeze, give us a break!
RE: Really should be Soroka.  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13921451 GiantFilthy said:
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Also, just like we ALL predicted before the season going in to 4/19/18.



Indeed, Cabrera has been fantastic so far.
Wishing Freeman  
Shecky : 4/19/2018 5:07 pm : link
A Plawecki like diagnosis
What ever happened to Mets  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2018 5:33 pm : link
pitchers pitching inside more?

Has it happened and I just haven't noticed?

I mean, Bryce Harper looks pretty comfortable at the plate no matter who the Mets have on the mound.

Freeman made me think of this too.

I'm not advocating intentionally hitting anyone, but pitching inside absolutely, especially someone like Thor, let them at least have some doubt.

I think Thor's control can give people too much comfort facing high 90's.

Anyway, Harvey today could also use some more inside pitching. Keep those batters off the plate and uncomfortable.
what are the odds that Freeman hits  
CMicks3110 : 4/19/2018 5:50 pm : link
a homerun off Harvey tonight? 3/1
Does anyone know  
Pete in MD : 4/19/2018 7:00 pm : link
why I this game starts at 7:35p instead of the usual 7:05p? It’s not a big deal, just curious.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 7:02 pm : link
Most Braves home games start @ 7:35.

I'm not sure what the actual reason it, I just know whenever we play down there the game usually starts @ 7:35 rather than 7 or 7:10
RE: What ever happened to Mets  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/19/2018 7:07 pm : link
In comment 13921523 pjcas18 said:
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pitchers pitching inside more?


PitchFX for April 17th.





Seems like they're pitching inside just fine.
Huh, I guess  
Pete in MD : 4/19/2018 7:08 pm : link
I never noticed. It’s probably traffic related.
Not to lefties  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2018 7:10 pm : link
(like Harper) seems like very few pitches inside.
He's been destroying inside stuff lately.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/19/2018 7:20 pm : link


lets see some  
Rory : 4/19/2018 7:29 pm : link
launch angles tonight guys!!!!
Harper has been destorying everything  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2018 7:33 pm : link
I just think if you can deliver some chin music to a guy who looks as locked in or comfortable like Harper or Freeman usually are vs the Mets you can maybe make them at least a little uncomfortable.

When Callaway and Eiland talked about the Mets pitchers pitching inside more, I guess in my head I envisioned some chin music - with a purpose - every now and then to guys like Harper, Freeman, Murphy - the Mets killers.

Like Pedro used to do in his hey day with Boston or Montreal.

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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 7:41 pm : link
I have a feeling Jay's post was the kiss of death when he said we'd smack Wisler around tonight.

Didn't he pitch really well against us last year?
RE: .  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2018 7:42 pm : link
In comment 13921677 arcarsenal said:
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I have a feeling Jay's post was the kiss of death when he said we'd smack Wisler around tonight.

Didn't he pitch really well against us last year?


that 12 pitch 1st inning won't hurt.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 7:46 pm : link
And on the other side... Harvey already struggling.

There is no such thing as an easy win here. :)
RE: .  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 7:46 pm : link
In comment 13921677 arcarsenal said:
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I have a feeling Jay's post was the kiss of death when he said we'd smack Wisler around tonight.

Didn't he pitch really well against us last year?

I wish that were true but Wisler is a much different pitcher than he was a couple of years ago. He looked like he was on his way to becoming a very good #3 SP but then his control just went to shit. He was awful last season in the rotation and in relief. He is a classic AAAA pitcher that will put up solid numbers in AAA but then bomb in the majors.

The Braves have started off better than I expected. They should have promoted a top prospect like Soroka or Fried instead of Wisler.
God  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 7:48 pm : link
I love Albies
.  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 7:52 pm : link
Harvey has to be taken out of the rotation.
is it me or does  
Rory : 4/19/2018 7:52 pm : link
Harvey look like he's lost a considerable amount of weight. I'm sure its been discussed here but ....shit HR already....
RE: .  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13921700 arcarsenal said:
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Harvey has to be taken out of the rotation.

He really does. I think he could still be effective in a relief role.
How far Harvey has fallen...  
figgy2989 : 4/19/2018 7:54 pm : link
Not even a solid 5 starter anymore.

This is why velocity is  
Metnut : 4/19/2018 7:54 pm : link
so important. Harvey gets rocked because he’s not throwing hard. I wonder if the spring training guns were juiced for Harvey’s starts or if he’s hurt again.
This bum couldn’t go an inning this time  
Rflairr : 4/19/2018 7:55 pm : link
Before getting lit up
Looks like he hit 91 a couple of times.  
GiantFilthy : 4/19/2018 7:56 pm : link
Is that what he is maxing out at this point?
RE: This is why velocity is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/19/2018 7:57 pm : link
In comment 13921706 Metnut said:
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so important. Harvey gets rocked because he’s not throwing hard. I wonder if the spring training guns were juiced for Harvey’s starts or if he’s hurt again.


Velocity isn't important when you know how to pitch. Colon is still pitching.
is he pitching  
Rory : 4/19/2018 7:57 pm : link
scared, afraid of re-injury?

Fucking tragic, guy was a beast 3 years ago.
Harvey needs to be taken out of the rotation  
PatchoguePete : 4/19/2018 7:58 pm : link
Sad, but I think the Dark Knight is officially dead.
do you think the Thoracit Outlet Surgery  
CMicks3110 : 4/19/2018 7:59 pm : link
was necessary, or could have been avoided with rest. Because that surgery robbed him of his velocity.
RE: Looks like he hit 91 a couple of times.  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 8:00 pm : link
In comment 13921710 GiantFilthy said:
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Is that what he is maxing out at this point?


He's hit 93-94 a few times this year but the velocity seems to creep downward as he progresses.

He's just not the same guy anymore. The stuff isn't there and he hasn't learned to pitch with the stuff he has.

You can still get hitters out with a 91mph FB - but you have to nail your location and your secondaries have to be really strong. Nothing is really working for Matt right now.

I was encouraged by his first outing and thought he was on the right track. But he's quickly reverting to the same crappy pitcher we saw last year.

He might just be cooked. Which is sad.. he was an elite starter and was still an elite starter after TJS. But the TOS stuff seems like it really sapped him.
RE: RE: This is why velocity is  
Metnut : 4/19/2018 8:05 pm : link
In comment 13921711 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13921706 Metnut said:


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so important. Harvey gets rocked because he’s not throwing hard. I wonder if the spring training guns were juiced for Harvey’s starts or if he’s hurt again.



Velocity isn't important when you know how to pitch. Colon is still pitching.


Colon is a unique player and doesn’t really make sense to compare other players to him.

Of course it’s possible to succeed throwing 91mph junk fastballs. That’s not going to happen for Matt Harvey and also won’t happen for the vast majority of pitchers.
RE: RE: Looks like he hit 91 a couple of times.  
Jay on the Island : 4/19/2018 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13921721 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13921710 GiantFilthy said:


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Is that what he is maxing out at this point?



He's hit 93-94 a few times this year but the velocity seems to creep downward as he progresses.

He's just not the same guy anymore. The stuff isn't there and he hasn't learned to pitch with the stuff he has.

You can still get hitters out with a 91mph FB - but you have to nail your location and your secondaries have to be really strong. Nothing is really working for Matt right now.

I was encouraged by his first outing and thought he was on the right track. But he's quickly reverting to the same crappy pitcher we saw last year.

He might just be cooked. Which is sad.. he was an elite starter and was still an elite starter after TJS. But the TOS stuff seems like it really sapped him.

3-4 years ago I thought he was on his way to becoming the best pitcher in baseball. Even though he is a Met I still feel bad for the guy.
Has there been any news on Vargas?  
Rflairr : 4/19/2018 8:09 pm : link
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Give gselllmen  
Metnut : 4/19/2018 8:10 pm : link
a chance in the rotation.
RE: Has there been any news on Vargas?  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13921740 Rflairr said:
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He just threw a simulated game a few days ago - I think he's pretty close.
RE: RE: RE: This is why velocity is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/19/2018 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13921735 Metnut said:
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In comment 13921711 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13921706 Metnut said:


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so important. Harvey gets rocked because he’s not throwing hard. I wonder if the spring training guns were juiced for Harvey’s starts or if he’s hurt again.



Velocity isn't important when you know how to pitch. Colon is still pitching.



Colon is a unique player and doesn’t really make sense to compare other players to him.

Of course it’s possible to succeed throwing 91mph junk fastballs. That’s not going to happen for Matt Harvey and also won’t happen for the vast majority of pitchers.


It's not so out of this world. From Jamie Moyer to Greg Maddux, there's a large assortment of guys who were effective quality starters without throwing 95. I don't recall Al Leiter or Cone being fireballers but I'm a little young to have seen all of Cone's career.
RE: Give gselllmen  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13921745 Metnut said:
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a chance in the rotation.


I'd leave him in the pen for now - we already have Vargas coming back. So to put Gsellman in the rotation, we'd have to pull Matz or Wheeler out of it along with Harvey.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 8:16 pm : link
Wisler with 3 no-hit innings.

No surprise here!
Rosario  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2018 8:18 pm : link
needs to have a better approach at the plate. too much of a free swinger and not enough of a contact hitter to get away with it.
Albies is my new boyfriend.  
GiantFilthy : 4/19/2018 8:23 pm : link
I am so ready for a 1 to 5 order of...

Inciarte
Albies
Freeman
Acuna
Dansbae
.  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 8:24 pm : link
Going to need 50+ pitches just to get through 3.

Sigh...
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