in everything he's said:
-The game has evolved (spread offense concepts)
-Missing at the QB position will set you back five years.
-If there's a QB you think is worth it, you do anything to take him.
-Running the ball and rushing the passer well still wins in the NFL.
He has not wavered at all in any of these points.
You can believe this was all an elaborate ruse to smokescreen the number two pick, or you can take him at face value and believe that this is his vision for the team. And he had success in Carolina following this philosophy.
Here's the good news: We're going to get somebody to help that vision regardless! What are we arguing about? Everybody should be super excited about the pick no matter what.
If it's a QB, then based on his comments, it was one of those guys that was just too good to ever pass on, one of those guys that you would move heaven and earth to get.
If it's Barkley, then we can be excited about getting back to being a run heavy team, with a guy who can also double as an extra WR on the field creating crazy mismatches.
If it's Chubb, well, you can never have to many pass rushers.
If it's Nelson, then we're getting our hogmolies together!
We can't miss here, you're doing yourself a disservice if you're hitching your wagon to one position, and one position only.
We're going to be better for the pick, regardless.
Darnold, Rosen, Barkley, Chubb. I'm good with all of them. Any one of them should make the future brighter.
People think I don't want a QB. If we take a QB I'll be super excited, because I know the conviction will have been there, the same conviction that was there for Eli.
Getting "too cute" by drafting the player that most experts say is the best player in the draft? Barkley isn't just a RB, he's a great all around 3 down weapon and it's not 2005 anymore (when RBs had been temporarily devalued).
I'm not pushing for Barkley, I agree with Britt. Don't piss yourself if we pick Barkley.
Coming away with Barkley & Rudolph could be exciting.
That gives me some confidence he and his staff will draft guys that fit with the schemes Schurmer and Bettcher are planning to run.
Hopefully...gone are the days of drafting guys like Clint Sintim...talented but a terrible fit for the position he got shoehorned into
With you 100%. I will love watching Saquon in the NFL, but not for the Giants. This has to be Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield. I remain convinced that they've been doing their QB research for years here and Mara hired Shurmur specifically to help develop the next QB. Everything else is media-driven recency bias and noise.
If it’s not a QB(I think they all blow...but I digress) or if it is....Perfect.
I’m also good with Chubb...or even...’the horror, the horror’...Barkley or Nelson.
I think future HOF lock Eli has 3 years left.
And a title...
Coming away with Barkley & Rudolph could be exciting.
Rudolph is nowhere near a mid-first round projection.
OK. So you get your wish and DG takes the QB. We don't know how successful these QBs will be. Many scouts (true professionals) and football organizations state the Saquon Barkley is a player placed #1 on most boards. Do you take a chance on the 2nd best QB who could be a Blake Bortles at best or do you take a higher rated pick that is not just considered a RB but a more of a weapon who has a better chance at impacting the team. I am not saying that these QBs don't have talent and they may very have that opportunity to wear the "Gold Jacket", but man, that's a hell of a risk to take a chance on a #2 pick, if there is no conviction. I see it this way. Barkley will have better career than most, in not all these QBs, baring injury.
Sincerely,
David Googs Gettleman
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To draft a RB at #2, there will be no words to describe how angry I will be at the pick. Don't tell me teams are fawning over the opportunity to move up to draft a QB, and we're the one team that gets too cute here and sees no value in drafting one. Please.
OK. So you get your wish and DG takes the QB. We don't know how successful these QBs will be. Many scouts (true professionals) and football organizations state the Saquon Barkley is a player placed #1 on most boards. Do you take a chance on the 2nd best QB who could be a Blake Bortles at best or do you take a higher rated pick that is not just considered a RB but a more of a weapon who has a better chance at impacting the team. I am not saying that these QBs don't have talent and they may very have that opportunity to wear the "Gold Jacket", but man, that's a hell of a risk to take a chance on a #2 pick, if there is no conviction. I see it this way. Barkley will have better career than most, in not all these QBs, baring injury.
Give me the QB. The risk is worth the reward. You draft Barkley, you are already paying him as a top 5 RB. It's absolutely ludicrous. Then we are going to ride with Eli, who has not been good the last couple seasons, as a 37 and 38 year old QB. He's super expensive. it's just not smart team building to bank on him for the next few years. When you get the 2 pick, you pick a QB unless you believe that the QBs stink. I don't. Rosen and Darnold are not Bortles. It's foolish to pass on one of them for Barkley. Period.
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To draft a RB at #2, there will be no words to describe how angry I will be at the pick. Don't tell me teams are fawning over the opportunity to move up to draft a QB, and we're the one team that gets too cute here and sees no value in drafting one. Please.
OK. So you get your wish and DG takes the QB. We don't know how successful these QBs will be. Many scouts (true professionals) and football organizations state the Saquon Barkley is a player placed #1 on most boards. Do you take a chance on the 2nd best QB who could be a Blake Bortles at best or do you take a higher rated pick that is not just considered a RB but a more of a weapon who has a better chance at impacting the team. I am not saying that these QBs don't have talent and they may very have that opportunity to wear the "Gold Jacket", but man, that's a hell of a risk to take a chance on a #2 pick, if there is no conviction. I see it this way. Barkley will have better career than most, in not all these QBs, baring injury.
The problem with this argument is that you assume the 2nd best player could be blake bortles at best, but the 1st best player is certainly going to be a success. #1 overall runningbacks can and have been complete busts before too.
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To draft a RB at #2, there will be no words to describe how angry I will be at the pick. Don't tell me teams are fawning over the opportunity to move up to draft a QB, and we're the one team that gets too cute here and sees no value in drafting one. Please.
OK. So you get your wish and DG takes the QB. We don't know how successful these QBs will be. Many scouts (true professionals) and football organizations state the Saquon Barkley is a player placed #1 on most boards. Do you take a chance on the 2nd best QB who could be a Blake Bortles at best or do you take a higher rated pick that is not just considered a RB but a more of a weapon who has a better chance at impacting the team. I am not saying that these QBs don't have talent and they may very have that opportunity to wear the "Gold Jacket", but man, that's a hell of a risk to take a chance on a #2 pick, if there is no conviction. I see it this way. Barkley will have better career than most, in not all these QBs, baring injury.
The problem with this argument is that you assume the 2nd best player could be blake bortles at best, but the 1st best player is certainly going to be a success. #1 overall runningbacks can and have been complete busts before too.
The argument is the likelihood of who is going to have the better career given the value of the #2 pick. There is more risk with these QBs, given their warts. I would admit that I would consider taking Darnold over Barkley; however most boards have the rest of the QBs further behind Darnold and Cleveland will likely take Darnold. Look at the value boards from former scouts and analyst. In a few days Sy is going have his grades up and I wonder how big the grade gap will be between Barkley and the QBs in this draft. I get the QB search is important. Eli is going to need a replacement. I would only consider Darnold, but would not consider the other QBs taking them just for the sake of taking them. As for Barkley, devaluating a ridiculous talent like him at RB is laughable. Shonka from Ourlads, said it himself it would be stupid to pass on Barkley even at #1. DG is going to stick to his board. I will say this. I will be open to whomever DG selects. Hell, I will be just as happy as anyone else if he picks Rosen, Mayfield or Allen at #2, because he is telling us that they are worth it. I just don't think that's going to happen. I would also be thrilled with Chubb and Nelson, which would be more realistic.
That's exactly what I got from that. He is not going to force the pick.
Are they playing for the future or for now....
If for the future, then it looks like a qb....and that means there will be no contribution from our first round pick....and another high pick next year....
If for now, then it's Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, etc......
I can't see a guard being a #2 pick.....
We have no one to replace JPP, will it be Chubb? But DE's sometimes take years to develop and be a force....
Barkley, instantly makes the offense dangerous, if OBj is 100% AND has a contract in hand.....the OL will not be good, but it will be better than last season.....there were times when our runners had openings, but got minimal gains...Barkley would change that.....he would also force the defense to crowd the line, opening up our passing game....
Trade down? Just because DG never has, doesn't mean it won't happen......but it takes the right team(s) to come with a proposal that is hard to turn down.....
DG has many options, and so far is keeping everyone guessing....
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To draft a RB at #2, there will be no words to describe how angry I will be at the pick. Don't tell me teams are fawning over the opportunity to move up to draft a QB, and we're the one team that gets too cute here and sees no value in drafting one. Please.
OK. So you get your wish and DG takes the QB. We don't know how successful these QBs will be. Many scouts (true professionals) and football organizations state the Saquon Barkley is a player placed #1 on most boards. Do you take a chance on the 2nd best QB who could be a Blake Bortles at best or do you take a higher rated pick that is not just considered a RB but a more of a weapon who has a better chance at impacting the team. I am not saying that these QBs don't have talent and they may very have that opportunity to wear the "Gold Jacket", but man, that's a hell of a risk to take a chance on a #2 pick, if there is no conviction. I see it this way. Barkley will have better career than most, in not all these QBs, baring injury.
When people decide to pull out a Bortles reference, while it's not necessarily inconceivable, it reveals their bias and destroys their credibility.
If you don't think Gettleman and company are qualified to identify a successful QB prospect, your issue is with them, not the prospects.
And as an oh by the way, the risk only increases the farther you get from the top of the draft. So, given that we have a 37 year old QB with two years remaining on what may very likely be his final contract, and will thus need to be replaced at some point in the not so distant future, and that we are highly unlikely to be picking #2 again between now and the end of Eli's career, would you prefer to hitch your wagon to an even riskier prospect in a year or two and sacrifice a significant amount of draft capital to do so?
Do you want to try again with logic included?
Anytime someone volunteers that they're incapable of lying, the next words out of their mouth are a lie.
And, Britt, you only listed two of the three things on his list:
1. Stop the run
2. Run the ball
3. Rush the passer
Parcells and George Young used to say the exact same thing.
My bet is Rosen but it could be any of them.
Don’t kid yourselves - it won’t be a non-QB.
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He’s not giving away anything. You can see in his personality he’s not the play games type. The only thing we can rule out is the notion that you have to take a QB. He clearly doesn’t see it that way but all that tells you is all options are on the table.
Anytime someone volunteers that they're incapable of lying, the next words out of their mouth are a lie.
ROFL.... My thoughts exactly!
Somebody above says the DG doesn't play games...
I think he does.
Poker is his game!
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He’s not giving away anything. You can see in his personality he’s not the play games type. The only thing we can rule out is the notion that you have to take a QB. He clearly doesn’t see it that way but all that tells you is all options are on the table.
Anytime someone volunteers that they're incapable of lying, the next words out of their mouth are a lie.
ROFL.... My thoughts exactly!
Somebody above says the DG doesn't play games...
I think he does.
Poker is his game!
Coming away with Barkley & Rudolph could be exciting.
I see absolutely no difference between Rudolph and Webb. Size, stats, etc all are the same, plus Webb has a year in the offense now.
Why wouldn't the Giants try to move to #1?
What would the Giants have to give Cleveland to move to #1?
Those that have been banging the drum for a certain QB, are you okay with trying to trade with Cleveland?
Should you really gamble that Cleveland is going to see it differently and draft the wrong guy?
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if NYG is high on him and view him as comparable to any of the other QB’s, does NYG trade up into the mid 20’s to ensure they get him if needed?
Coming away with Barkley & Rudolph could be exciting.
I see absolutely no difference between Rudolph and Webb. Size, stats, etc all are the same, plus Webb has a year in the offense now.
Webb has a year in McAdoo's offense. Webb, Eli and any rookie will effectively have the same amount of time in Shurmur's offense.
Why wouldn't the Giants try to move to #1?
What would the Giants have to give Cleveland to move to #1?
Those that have been banging the drum for a certain QB, are you okay with trying to trade with Cleveland?
Should you really gamble that Cleveland is going to see it differently and draft the wrong guy?