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shyster : 4/19/2018 8:36 pm
not going after #2.

Said it on NFL Network per discussion on Bills fan board (linked).
five only - ( New Window )
So they’re likely assuming NYG go non-QB  
The_Boss : 4/19/2018 8:41 pm : link
And they walk away with one of Rosen-Mayfield-Allen.
I suspect....they realize 2 is not available  
George from PA : 4/19/2018 8:44 pm : link
I wanted a small trade down and Barkley.

that seems like a pipe dream....as Cleveland wants him at 4.

I will admit.....I would like a little action on Thuraday night.

I will be disappointed ... 10min. into Thursday....the Giants pick a player....and night is over. :(
Somehow  
Rolyrock : 4/19/2018 8:44 pm : link
That rings true, Rosen doesn't seem like a cold weather blue collar QB. Guess I think of Jim Kelly.
I’m sure we will hear 6820 stories like this  
BigBlue4You09 : 4/19/2018 8:44 pm : link
Over the next week. Nobody knows
Or disinfo from Denver to  
chopperhatch : 4/19/2018 8:48 pm : link
Lower our price to move from 5 to 2.

Orrrr disinfo from Buffalo to convince the Giants that theirs is the best offer they are going to get and to again lower our price.

Gettleman has absolutely ZERO reason to make any decision until the Browns make their pick.
RE: I suspect....they realize 2 is not available  
chopperhatch : 4/19/2018 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13921821 George from PA said:
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I wanted a small trade down and Barkley.

that seems like a pipe dream....as Cleveland wants him at 4.

I will admit.....I would like a little action on Thuraday night.

I will be disappointed ... 10min. into Thursday....the Giants pick a player....and night is over. :(



What if the Giants trade back into 1?
Ben  
AcidTest : 4/19/2018 8:49 pm : link
Allbright thinks the same. The problem is that the Bills want Allen, and somebody could trade with the Giants or Browns to take him.
chopperhatch  
George from PA : 4/19/2018 8:52 pm : link
DG said today....he has no interest in to trading up....and giving up picks
RE: Somehow  
FStubbs : 4/19/2018 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13921823 Rolyrock said:
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That rings true, Rosen doesn't seem like a cold weather blue collar QB. Guess I think of Jim Kelly.


And Aaron Rodgers was?

Rosen would be fine in NY.
RE: chopperhatch  
Bill in UT : 4/19/2018 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13921841 George from PA said:
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DG said today....he has no interest in to trading up....and giving up picks


Without rereading the transcript, I don't think he totally ruled it out
We are not trading up to 1  
Sammo85 : 4/19/2018 8:59 pm : link
I think Giants have a good idea already on who they plan to take depending on the Browns pick.
RE: RE: Somehow  
OBJRoyal : 4/19/2018 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13921847 FStubbs said:
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In comment 13921823 Rolyrock said:


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That rings true, Rosen doesn't seem like a cold weather blue collar QB. Guess I think of Jim Kelly.



And Aaron Rodgers was?

Rosen would be fine in NY.


Let the Jets find out....
Bill....reread it  
George from PA : 4/19/2018 9:03 pm : link
that is about the only thing he was adamant about.....
someone asked him that question.

he said....he had no interest in giving away future pick to move up
'he has no interest in to trading up....and giving up picks'...  
Torrag : 4/19/2018 9:05 pm : link
He in no way said that. He said as of right now he wouldn't involve next years draft picks in negotiations.
I am not quoting him  
George from PA : 4/19/2018 9:08 pm : link
but he made it very clear his intention
Or they know...  
Chris in Philly : 4/19/2018 9:10 pm : link
we are not moving back to their picks and they have a better chance of getting to 2 if we only need to drop down to 5.
'he made it very clear his intention'...  
Torrag : 4/19/2018 9:12 pm : link
You misunderstood the question and his response.
RE: chopperhatch  
chopperhatch : 4/19/2018 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13921841 George from PA said:
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DG said today....he has no interest in to trading up....and giving up picks


Not 1st overall, but back into rd 1. But even if he meant the latter, how would he know until the oicks start coming in?
I an not arguing....  
George from PA : 4/19/2018 9:19 pm : link
I feel confident....he is not trading up to 1..

from what I hear and saw.
RE: Or they know...  
GFAN52 : 4/19/2018 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13921886 Chris in Philly said:
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we are not moving back to their picks and they have a better chance of getting to 2 if we only need to drop down to 5.


Possible, but it seems likely the Giants stay at 2.
RE: I an not arguing....  
chopperhatch : 4/19/2018 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13921905 George from PA said:
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I feel confident....he is not trading up to 1..

from what I hear and saw.


George....buddy....I am not suggesting trading up to 1. I am suggesting packaging the 2nd rounder to trade back into the FIRST ROUND.
oh....I have no idea about trading back into 1st from 2nd  
George from PA : 4/19/2018 10:13 pm : link
using other picks.


other then right now....they still have more holes than picks.
RE: oh....I have no idea about trading back into 1st from 2nd  
chopperhatch : 4/19/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13921987 George from PA said:
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using other picks.


other then right now....they still have more holes than picks.


Right, so that's why you have to watch the rest of the 1st round! :-)
lol.....the over and under...that I will be asleep if that happens  
George from PA : 4/19/2018 10:20 pm : link
would be high
Not trading up  
twostepgiants : 4/19/2018 10:36 pm : link
Q: You said that you’ve traded up a lot. Do you have enough assets to trade up in this draft and would you dip into future drafts to trade up?

A: I’m not going to do that. I’m going to tell you that right now. Right now, I have no intention of dipping into future drafts. None.
Buffalo is playing Russian Roulette  
Archer : 9:09 am : link
If Buffalo has a preferred QB drafting at 5 may not and likely will not get them that player.

That is a lot of risk after spending so much draft capital to move up.

It is possible that QBs will go 1,2,and 3, therefore, Buffalo better like the fourth QB available.

And it is not out of the question that Cleveland could trade out of the 4th pick. If Miami, or some other team makes them an offer they cannot refuse. Then all four or the premium QBs can be selected before Buffalo picks.


Giants have seemed quite comfy at #2  
JonC : 9:14 am : link
They're likely going to get their guy there.
RE: Or disinfo from Denver to  
the mike : 9:18 am : link
In comment 13921830 chopperhatch said:
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Lower our price to move from 5 to 2.

Orrrr disinfo from Buffalo to convince the Giants that theirs is the best offer they are going to get and to again lower our price.

Gettleman has absolutely ZERO reason to make any decision until the Browns make their pick.


Completely agree - Gettleman making any decision before we are on the clock would be a mistake...
I think..  
Strip-Sack : 9:21 am : link
the Giants stay at two and it’s Darnold or Chubb...SB is great but they can get a good RB in a later rd whereas they won’t find what Chubb can bring to this defense...really feel like he’s exactly what this D needs and can be an immediate relentless tone setter and leader on day 1.
RE: Giants have seemed quite comfy at #2  
In comment 13922294 JonC said:
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They're likely going to get their guy there.


Hitdog said this a few weeks back. He said he wants to trade down, but that's looking unlikely. Obviously that could change, but we all know Hitdog is always on the money.
It looks like it's one of Darnold/Barkley/Chubb  
JonC : 9:35 am : link
I don't think there's a trade down option available to take and still get one of them. Browns at #4 probably get whoever is left of those three, with Jets picking Mayfield.
RE: It looks like it's one of Darnold/Barkley/Chubb  
Sean : 9:46 am : link
In comment 13922345 JonC said:
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I don't think there's a trade down option available to take and still get one of them. Browns at #4 probably get whoever is left of those three, with Jets picking Mayfield.


Chubb is the wildcard. I have this weird feeling Browns will take Allen 1 & NYG takes Chubb with everyone screaming about the pick.
I agree Chubb is the wildcard  
JonC : 9:49 am : link
that's what I'd heard a few weeks ago, and the unknown is QB interest. Not sure they will resist Chubb for Barkley either.
RE: So they’re likely assuming NYG go non-QB  
NYSports1 : 9:52 am : link
In comment 13921815 The_Boss said:
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And they walk away with one of Rosen-Mayfield-Allen.


So you want to give up the premium pick for lower end prospects because you want to stay on the draft longer than 10 min....What a fantastic way of looking at this
RE: chopperhatch  
Gatorade Dunk : 9:58 am : link
In comment 13921841 George from PA said:
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DG said today....he has no interest in to trading up....and giving up picks

I'm pretty sure he said he has no intention of dipping into future years' drafts to trade up. That's an important distinction.
Trading up seems highly unlikely  
JonC : 10:03 am : link
does not compute.
RE: Trading up seems highly unlikely  
Sean : 10:06 am : link
In comment 13922408 JonC said:
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does not compute.


NYG is supposedly high on Mason Rudolph, do they like him enough to move into late first if needed?
RE: Trading up seems highly unlikely  
GFAN52 : 10:14 am : link
In comment 13922408 JonC said:
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does not compute.


Agreed. Not trading up to 1. DG sent a message to the Browns, if you want Darnold take him there which I think they will.
RE: RE: Trading up seems highly unlikely  
JonC : 10:20 am : link
In comment 13922419 Sean said:
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In comment 13922408 JonC said:


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does not compute.



NYG is supposedly high on Mason Rudolph, do they like him enough to move into late first if needed?


Unclear, but he's a prospect to watch.
could be a leak to try and get giants to lower price  
GiantsFan84 : 11:42 am : link
or could be true. no way to know
Not definitive  
JonC : 11:55 am : link
but Kim Jones asked DG if that HoF gold coat talent was available at #2 in this draft, and DG said yes.

That prospect/upside means more to NYG than trading down for quantity. I think they stay put.
I think Buffalo is  
Amtoft : 12:17 pm : link
happy with 5 because it will mean they don't have to give up next years first and still get one of the top 4 QBs. Really it means they most likely get Josh Rosen who they probably love. Allen, Darnold, and Mayfield along with Barkley go top 4 is almost a given now. Hell if Cleveland goes Allen and Giants go Barkley, then Jets go Darnold and Cleveland probably goes Chubb... They may have a choice between Mayfield and Rosen although I think they like Rosen a lot. The only fear they would have is if it goes Allen, Darnold, Mayfield, and Cleveland trades down bypassing Barkley and no one thinks that will happen. They move to 5 and they basically get Rosen so no need to go to #2. Pretty smart really.
RE: Not definitive  
Essex : 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13922613 JonC said:
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but Kim Jones asked DG if that HoF gold coat talent was available at #2 in this draft, and DG said yes.

That prospect/upside means more to NYG than trading down for quantity. I think they stay put.


I would always be skeptical about GM's (and this is not specific to Gettleman) saying that a player is going to be a Hall of Famer, they have a hard enough time figuring out if the player can be halfway decent in the league to begin with. The HOF stuff is all bs.
I'm skeptical as well  
JonC : 12:32 pm : link
but what matters now is their belief in the prospect and best projection they can possibly make.
Many peddling the idea of non-QB  
UberAlias : 1:25 pm : link
Have referenced the gold-jacket comment as evidence that they don;t plan on drafting a QB. But the question was asked yesterday if that "criteria" applied to QBs. What he said was, when you look at QBs you ask the question, does the player make the players around him better. So this notion of we are drafting player I believe is HOF worthy and that's the criteria was debunked from the source. Not that a little common sense would not have led one to the same conclusion that there was some color to the remark, but some folks are so desperate to be right they'll twist any remark into their favor.
RE: RE: Not definitive  
In comment 13922687 Essex said:
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In comment 13922613 JonC said:


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but Kim Jones asked DG if that HoF gold coat talent was available at #2 in this draft, and DG said yes.

That prospect/upside means more to NYG than trading down for quantity. I think they stay put.



I would always be skeptical about GM's (and this is not specific to Gettleman) saying that a player is going to be a Hall of Famer, they have a hard enough time figuring out if the player can be halfway decent in the league to begin with. The HOF stuff is all bs.


Leverage in negotiations. If you want the #2 pick you will need to give me the value of a HOF in additional picks
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