Dez is working out with Odell

The chances of this happening is still slim to none, IMO. It would be a terrible decision and it just doesn't seem like something we will do.

Players workout with other players from different teams all the time, is it really bad optics to workout with dez?

That literally makes zero sense

goes against everything Gettleman has said since day one.

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extended??

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Odell "Hey Dez - would love to but the next couple of weeks are not good as I am working out with teammates and the optics would not be cool... Let's do it next time you're in town."

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In comment 13922301 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13922288 the mike said: Quote: Base set will be Beckham-Shepard-Ellison-Engram. Lewis and Latimer will be primary backups with Rudolph/Powe et al competing for final spots. If they can get a serviceable WR in rounds four or five, great. Free agents look completely uninspiring - none of them are worth more than a veteran minimum contract... And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre. Wtf did Beckham do? Here is what he should have done: Dez "Hey Odell, I'm going to be in LA and it would be great to work out this week with you - what do you say?" Odell "Hey Dez - would love to but the next couple of weeks are not good as I am working out with teammates and the optics would not be cool... Let's do it next time you're in town."

this is satire, right?

Oh jeez, the optics...

I don't care that they're working out together if that's what they want to do. I just don't want the Giants signing this dude.

I think Gettleman is smart enough not to. But we'll see

That said Marshall took a pay cut and then giants released him..

Was it offered he accepted and giants cut him anyway?

Or

Was this offered awhile ago he took it, and now giants were like ehh wr are cutting you?

In comment 13922384 nygiants16 said:

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That said Marshall took a pay cut and then giants released him.. Was it offered he accepted and giants cut him anyway? Or Was this offered awhile ago he took it, and now giants were like ehh wr are cutting you?

I took it to mean that BM offered to take a pay cut but the team said no thanks

If he was willing to take a pay cut to get minimum why not do it and wait to see what he had in training camp? If he plays like shit cut him, why cut him now and have to pay injury settlemant?

a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released.

Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.

In comment 13922415 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released. Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.

No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has?

basically the Giants wanted to go in a different direction and weren't interested in Marshall at any price.

In comment 13922421 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13922415 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released. Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact. No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has?

Vet Min was never mentioned.

and lets see what he got left. Randy Moss was a dick and grew up at the end ofhis career.

In comment 13922431 ron mexico said:

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In comment 13922421 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13922415 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released. Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact. No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has? Vet Min was never mentioned.

I thought I saw minimum somewhere, I re read some articles he agreed to pay cut in March, so he thought he was staying

just bringing Dez to camp to see what he has is an option. He's going to want a decent contract and while we would want it structured to get out of easily, I doubt Dez would have that same wish.

In comment 13922451 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13922431 ron mexico said: Quote: In comment 13922421 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13922415 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released. Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact. No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has? Vet Min was never mentioned. I thought I saw minimum somewhere, I re read some articles he agreed to pay cut in March, so he thought he was staying

I read a couple of articles and none state how much of a pay cut.
I'm guessing they had a deal in principle pending a physical. When he failed the physical it was time to move on.

In comment 13922458 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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just bringing Dez to camp to see what he has is an option. He's going to want a decent contract and while we would want it structured to get out of easily, I doubt Dez would have that same wish.

Then no deal that simple

...Brandon Marshall.

"Won't get fooled again!?"

If we had a more veteran, stable crew then fine. However IMO we seem emotionally fragile. Dez, Flowers, Eli Apple, Beckham (who is a good guy but pretty emotional), and likely a few other guys who I don't even know about yet, seem like a bad mixture to me.

In comment 13922407 nygiants16 said:

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If he was willing to take a pay cut to get minimum why not do it and wait to see what he had in training camp? If he plays like shit cut him, why cut him now and have to pay injury settlemant?

He failed his physical. If he passed it, I think theres a chance BM could have come back.

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In comment 13922407 nygiants16 said: Quote: If he was willing to take a pay cut to get minimum why not do it and wait to see what he had in training camp? If he plays like shit cut him, why cut him now and have to pay injury settlemant? He failed his physical. If he passed it, I think theres a chance BM could have come back.

But why now? Why does he have to pass a physical now?

I am sure Beckham or Collins couldn't pass a physical either..

The only reason the physical came into play is because they wanted to cut him...

a stipulation in his contract about passing a physical by a certain date or a certain period after the injury prior to camp

The timing really isn't unusual.

In comment 13922517 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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a stipulation in his contract about passing a physical by a certain date or a certain period after the injury prior to camp The timing really isn't unusual.

Then there would be no injury settlement...

Actually it is very unusual because why ask him to take a pay cut in March if you had every intention of cutting him?

There would be no reason to ask for a pay cut if you wanted to cut him, there are no guarantees in his deal and no dead money

settlement is mandated by the Players Association.

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In comment 13922517 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: a stipulation in his contract about passing a physical by a certain date or a certain period after the injury prior to camp The timing really isn't unusual. Then there would be no injury settlement... Actually it is very unusual because why ask him to take a pay cut in March if you had every intention of cutting him? There would be no reason to ask for a pay cut if you wanted to cut him, there are no guarantees in his deal and no dead money

they were willing to keep him on if he was healthy. He wasn't so they moved on. Not that complicated.

you are a bit misinformed. The Giants didn't offer the pay cut, Marshall stated he'd be willing to take less money.

That's different from the team approaching him. Again - if they restructured or gave him a new contract - there would be a signing bonus and cap implications.

Secondly, he failed a physical which means they felt it was better to release him now with a settlement than wait for his recovery.

Doesn't look like he factored into their plans

The draft is coming. We also have Ellison to line up at TE while Engram slides outside as a very effective receiver. This is for some situations. I would like to grab a 6’3 WR in the draft.


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Really ? We have 2!! The rest are all #5 wr’s ....

He ACCEPTED a pay cut in March and he felt he would be with the giants for this year..

Who cares if he cant pass a physical right now? If he accepted a pay cut what is the harm in keeping him and see what he has in training camp...

Maybe I am overthinking this but if you actually look at it there was no reason to cut him now

He failed his physical.


In comment 13922384 nygiants16 said:

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That said Marshall took a pay cut and then giants released him.. Was it offered he accepted and giants cut him anyway? Or Was this offered awhile ago he took it, and now giants were like ehh wr are cutting you?

how can you say there was no reason??

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Maybe I am overthinking this but if you actually look at it there was no reason to cut him now

If he reached a new deal, then that often only becomes official if he passes a physical. Heck, that might have been the trigger for him to take a physical. That he failed.

You might have already answered your own question.

If he failed a physical, it would void the contract offer and it would end up with his release.

The only reason it says he failed a physical is because they cut him, they had to cut him with that designation...

All we heard all offseasons was they cant chr him until he passes a physical..

If you were going to cut him anyway then why wait? If you didn't care about the injury settlement should of cut him at the beginning of the offseason, why make him think he would be here this year then cut him?

Most of the Odell hate is from oldtimers who want players to hand the ball to the ref after a TD. Those days are gone. But you introduce an actual malcontent and the radar will be on high sensitivity and low tolerance.

Gettleman talked about character. Dez flys in the face of that.

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is most definitely the reason he was cut.

I don't know why he had to have the physical, but I listed several reasons above why he would've had to have it.

You keep saying there was no reason to cut him - but there absolutely was a reason - he failed a physical.

In comment 13922545 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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how can you say there was no reason?? Quote: Maybe I am overthinking this but if you actually look at it there was no reason to cut him now If he reached a new deal, then that often only becomes official if he passes a physical. Heck, that might have been the trigger for him to take a physical. That he failed. You might have already answered your own question. If he failed a physical, it would void the contract offer and it would end up with his release.

Since when is a pay cut a new contract?

Also if this happened in March why would he not take a physical then? Why would he not take a physical before working out at mini camp

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is most definitely the reason he was cut. I don't know why he had to have the physical, but I listed several reasons above why he would've had to have it. You keep saying there was no reason to cut him - but there absolutely was a reason - he failed a physical.

Ok he failed a physical, but so did Landon Collins, I am sure Beckham would to..

My point is what is the harm in keeping him if he already agreed to a pay cut, you can cut him a week before the season and get the same savings

You could of kept him on the roster, maybe he comes to camp and he lights it up, you then have him on a cheap contract...

I dont care if he cant pass a physical in April, that means nothing..

you is that there are several reasons why he would have to take a physical and pass to stay on the team. There might even have been stipulations that triggered a decision on what happens in the case of a failed physical.

All of this discussion is speculation since we don't know the details.

Here's what we know - he failed a physical and the team decided to release him with an injury settlement. Not sure why you are fixated on the need to keep him around until camp. It is starting to border on bizarre.

In comment 13922562 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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you is that there are several reasons why he would have to take a physical and pass to stay on the team. There might even have been stipulations that triggered a decision on what happens in the case of a failed physical. All of this discussion is speculation since we don't know the details. Here's what we know - he failed a physical and the team decided to release him with an injury settlement. Not sure why you are fixated on the need to keep him around until camp. It is starting to border on bizarre.

Because all of season we heard he couldn't be cut because he had to pass a physical...

Now he is cut and it is oh yeah because he couldn't pass a physical...

That is where the confusion lies but I will stop since it is to bizarre for you

that he had to take the physical?

If not, then it is bizarre to keep going on like the physical was just some random event.

Even you said he had to pass a physical. He didn't. He doesn't seem to be fighting the results and he was released with a settlement.

Your whole argumentation seems to be that the team erred because they didn't wait to cut a fringe piece of the offense, or worse, intentionally set a physical up for the reason of cutting him.

In comment 13922581 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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that he had to take the physical? If not, then it is bizarre to keep going on like the physical was just some random event. Even you said he had to pass a physical. He didn't. He doesn't seem to be fighting the results and he was released with a settlement. Your whole argumentation seems to be that the team erred because they didn't wait to cut a fringe piece of the offense, or worse, intentionally set a physical up for the reason of cutting him.

Please show me where I said the team was wrong?

And most likely, he was not just given a physical yesterday and he failed...

The cut most likely happened before he failed a physical..

All I am asking is why now, and why not 2 months ago or why not after training camp...

They let him go through mini camp, so they had no problem there, that is all I am asking...

1. Maybe they have plans for that money and want to create space.

2. Maybe they want to give him an opp to catch on with another team.

3. Maybe this is when they agreed to meet and discuss.

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The cut most likely happened before he failed a physical..

He was released after failing a physical and was released with an injury settlement. This isn't even up for debate is it?

In comment 13922607 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Quote: The cut most likely happened before he failed a physical.. He was released after failing a physical and was released with an injury settlement. This isn't even up for debate is it?

Why wouldn't it be up for debate?

That is the whole basis of the debate, was he cut because of the physical or just cut and the physical came after to see if there was an injury settlemant

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They let him go through mini camp, so they had no problem there, that is all I am asking...

Do you know if he did anything on the ankle other than walk into the facility?

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1. Maybe they have plans for that money and want to create space. 2. Maybe they want to give him an opp to catch on with another team. 3. Maybe this is when they agreed to meet and discuss.

Thank you this is all I wanted, was he cut because something was brewing?

I have no problem with the giants cutting marshall, I expected it, I just wanted to know why now?

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In comment 13922604 nygiants16 said: Quote: They let him go through mini camp, so they had no problem there, that is all I am asking... Do you know if he did anything on the ankle other than walk into the facility?

There is video of him working out In the weight room...

OBJ works out with whomever has no bearing on the team structure Dez is a headache we don't need .
We do need another starting WR that isn't a smurf .