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Dez is working out with Odell

BigBlue4You09 : 4/19/2018 10:31 pm
On his Instagram, let the rumors swirl..
I have to admit, I'm intrigued.  
chopperhatch : 4/19/2018 10:33 pm : link
He is definitely a competitor. Very good compliment to Odell.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 10:34 pm : link
Ugh.
I wonder whether we'd trade OBJ for the 6th pick in the draft to  
yatqb : 4/19/2018 10:37 pm : link
land Nelson. He's an amazing talent, but I'm curious about whether Mara is tiring of him and whether in that case DG tries to move in another direction.
I would actually be okay with signing Dez  
NY-Fan : 4/19/2018 10:38 pm : link
If it meant OBJ would sign to stay with the Giants and they where able to feed off of each other. It may also give them a focus and calm them down a bit since each would have someone to connect with. It could also be a total disaster.
I still don’t see it happening  
BigBlue4You09 : 4/19/2018 10:39 pm : link
But I look at it this way...what’s the harm? Is one guy really going to come in here and disrupt the whole culture? One year low risk deal to replace Marshall, make him earn that next paycheck and stick it to Dallas in the meantime
Link?  
Josh in the City : 4/19/2018 10:39 pm : link
I don’t see it
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 10:45 pm : link
I think Odell is at a critical point in his career where he's either going to grow up a bit and be more of a professional, or he's just never going to get it. Dez is the type of guy who will help him gravitate towards the latter.

Beckham is doing the right things this offseason. He's stayed out of the spotlight for the most part (nevermind that stupid 3 second clip with the pizza - I don't buy that it was recent) and I think he understands what needs to be done to get a new contract here and stay with this team.

Having Dez Bryant in his ear on a daily basis is really the last thing I want. Dez is not a guy you want around when things aren't going well. He's a loudmouth, he shows up his teammates, he has a history of being a real piece of shit off the field, and he's not a player I want wearing this uniform.

If Dave Gettleman is smart, he'll pass on this player and aim to draft Marshall's replacement somewhere in the 2-4 round range instead.

There's a reason Dallas is letting this guy go. We should all have learned our lesson from what just happened with Brandon Marshall. Dez is declining on the field, and he's a fairly crappy person off it.

Youth, youth, youth. Not another headache.
RE: Link?  
LetsGoGiants : 4/19/2018 10:56 pm : link
In comment 13922011 Josh in the City said:
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I don’t see it


It's on Dez's Instagram
depends on the  
George from PA : 4/19/2018 10:57 pm : link
$$$$$$

he would be a great #2 wr.

a little concern about him and OBJ...but that might be overblown
arc  
Go Terps : 4/19/2018 11:12 pm : link
This guy is going to let you down.
The Marshall lesson has NOTHING to  
GmeninPSL : 4/19/2018 11:13 pm : link
do with Dez Bryant. Marshall is shot at 35, Dez is not at 29.
The Cowboys offense with Prescott as their QB never complimented Bryant. Let's not confuse these two WR's and who would be feeding Bryant the ball. I'd take a chance!
RE: arc  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13922032 Go Terps said:
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This guy is going to let you down.


Who? Gettleman or Beckham?
RE: arc  
BigBlue4You09 : 4/19/2018 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13922032 Go Terps said:
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This guy is going to let you down.


💤💤💤💤💤💤💤💤💤
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 11:28 pm : link
I'm guessing you mean Beckham.

All he has to do to not let me down is....

Continue to be the player he's always been.
Not get into legal trouble.

If he satisfies that criteria, I won't be let down.

Beckham is not Dez Bryant. Dez is a guy you can call an asshole and I will agree with you 100% because he is.

Let him go to Washington and fight Josh Norman on the sidelines when things don't go their way.
If one grown man can prevent another grown man  
est1986 : 4/19/2018 11:45 pm : link
From being a more mature individual, than that individual was never destined to mature. Bring him in. Would be nice to stick it to Dallas.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2018 11:57 pm : link
Whether you want to believe it or not, men in their mid 20's are still very impressionable and can be influenced.

Dez would be a poor influence.

Forget Odell - take him out of the entire equation. Dez is a declining headache of a football player who was released for a reason.

If we didn't just learn our lesson from what happened with Marshall, we never will.

Get a WR who's best football is ahead of him. Not 4 years behind him.

He wants to stick it to Dallas? Great. There are 14 other games on the schedule that are just as important. Let him bring his jilted ex-lover act into someone else's locker room. We shouldn't want it here.
I agree with your Dez assessment completely  
Go Terps : 4/20/2018 12:10 am : link
Wide receiver is not a need position; certainly not more than nearly every other position on this team. If Shurmur comes as advertised we'll be fine there.
arc  
Go Terps : 4/20/2018 12:11 am : link
Yeah I meant Beckham.
It would be the scariest Offense  
montanagiant : 4/20/2018 12:59 am : link
In the NFL once we shore the O-Line up in the draft
Sorry guys  
Giant John : 4/20/2018 5:59 am : link
But he is done.
Marshall was working out with Eli a couple of weeks back  
ZogZerg : 4/20/2018 6:13 am : link
I'm shocked anyone would want to put Dez and OBJ on the same team. It would be a complete disaster.
WR is not a need position....  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 4/20/2018 6:22 am : link
Really ? We have 2!! The rest are all #5 wr’s ....
I don't think Dez affects Beckham.  
FStubbs : 4/20/2018 6:36 am : link
Beckham is 25. He's a grown man, not a rookie. And the theme with him is that for the most part he tries to do the right thing.

We need a WR2 - Shepard is a WR3 and our other receivers are training camp fodder.

The thing is, if Dez wants to be a Giant, he's going to have to take a lot less than he could get on the open market.
RE: I still don’t see it happening  
Eman11 : 4/20/2018 6:54 am : link
In comment 13922010 BigBlue4You09 said:
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But I look at it this way...what’s the harm? Is one guy really going to come in here and disrupt the whole culture? One year low risk deal to replace Marshall, make him earn that next paycheck and stick it to Dallas in the meantime


He'd be a big headache and not worth the trouble IMO. At best he'd be Eli's 3rd - 4th option after OBJ, EE, and SS. No way he'd be happy about not getting the ball enough,and the bitching and moaning would soon follow.
Pass  
Sec 103 : 4/20/2018 7:03 am : link
Strong pass
Hard to believe so many  
Beezer : 4/20/2018 7:15 am : link
on BBI actually want this guy on the Giants.

He assaulted his own mom.

Rudolph. Young FA. Draft in the 3rd or 4th. Several undrafteds.

Hard no on Dez.
Ugh Dez Bryant on this team would be brutal  
Chris684 : 4/20/2018 7:24 am : link
They could sell popcorn and cotton candy on their own sideline with the circus it would be between he and Beckham.

He is just about the last guy I would think to sign if you want the culture within this organization restored.
I don't want Dez either  
Boatie Warrant : 4/20/2018 7:32 am : link
Would love to stick it to Dallas but this guy is too much trouble with declining talent
Can you imagine seeing Dez screaming at Eli on the sideline  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 4/20/2018 8:16 am : link
like he would do in Dallas? Fuck that. Not happening.
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Dodge : 4/20/2018 8:21 am : link
I don't think Dez would scream on the sidelines. OBJ is obviously the star on the team, why would Dez do that?

I want it to happen just to see most of BBI squirm  
UConn4523 : 4/20/2018 8:28 am : link
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If dez takes a 1 year incentive laden deal  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 8:32 am : link
I have absolutely zero problem with it, you are hopefully getting a pissed off dez with something to prove going against teams 2nd best corners...

Now if he sucks or becomes a problem you cut him and move on..

Everyone expects the giants to suck anyway so what is the risk? You are not signing him to a 5 year deal
Or, if I can interject an objective moment,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/20/2018 8:33 am : link
his desire to show up Dallas will drive him, his contract would make him extremely cuttable should he prove to be what everyone fears. DG and Mara will decide in either case.

His body of work as it pertains to his behavior is obviously concerning. Also, he has never seemed to have recovered from that foot injury
RE: ...  
QB Snacks : 4/20/2018 8:40 am : link
In comment 13922205 Dodge said:
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I don't think Dez would scream on the sidelines. OBJ is obviously the star on the team, why would Dez do that?


Bc he cant control his emotions.
Hasn't Odell..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 8:40 am : link
worked out with Dez the past two years at certain points of the offseason as well?

I thought he was in a group with Landry, Dez, James White and Kenny Stills?
Bryant would drive Eli crazy. He didn’t throw to Marshall but Marshall  
Ivan15 : 4/20/2018 8:48 am : link
Actually ran his routes.

Bryant only has a general idea of what a passing route looks like.
RE: Hasn't Odell..  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 8:52 am : link
In comment 13922242 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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worked out with Dez the past two years at certain points of the offseason as well?

I thought he was in a group with Landry, Dez, James White and Kenny Stills?


I thi k it is more of the timing of the video than anything else
Oh believe me...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 8:54 am : link
I really don't want Dez anywhere near this team, but I think this might be overblown. The two have worked out in the past and from what I can piece together are friends.

I'm sure lobbying in social media is more for appearances sake anyway. Like Landry saying the Browns were trading for Odell.
RE: I wonder whether we'd trade OBJ for the 6th pick in the draft to  
ron mexico : 4/20/2018 8:55 am : link
In comment 13922007 yatqb said:
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land Nelson. He's an amazing talent, but I'm curious about whether Mara is tiring of him and whether in that case DG tries to move in another direction.


for working out with another player?
Hard pass on Bryant...  
the mike : 4/20/2018 9:12 am : link
Base set will be Beckham-Shepard-Ellison-Engram. Lewis and Latimer will be primary backups with Rudolph/Powe et al competing for final spots. If they can get a serviceable WR in rounds four or five, great. Free agents look completely uninspiring - none of them are worth more than a veteran minimum contract...

And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre.
RE: Hard pass on Bryant...  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 13922288 the mike said:
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Base set will be Beckham-Shepard-Ellison-Engram. Lewis and Latimer will be primary backups with Rudolph/Powe et al competing for final spots. If they can get a serviceable WR in rounds four or five, great. Free agents look completely uninspiring - none of them are worth more than a veteran minimum contract...

And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre.


Wtf did Beckham do?
the numbers dont add up with Dez...  
Capt. Don : 4/20/2018 9:27 am : link
especially if we take Barkley.

Between Barkley, Odell, Engram and Shepard, how many targets are left over for a former #1 who struggles to get separation?
RE: RE: Hard pass on Bryant...  
the mike : 4/20/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13922301 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13922288 the mike said:


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Base set will be Beckham-Shepard-Ellison-Engram. Lewis and Latimer will be primary backups with Rudolph/Powe et al competing for final spots. If they can get a serviceable WR in rounds four or five, great. Free agents look completely uninspiring - none of them are worth more than a veteran minimum contract...

And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre.



Wtf did Beckham do?


Here is what he should have done:

Dez
"Hey Odell, I'm going to be in LA and it would be great to work out this week with you - what do you say?"

Odell
"Hey Dez - would love to but the next couple of weeks are not good as I am working out with teammates and the optics would not be cool... Let's do it next time you're in town."
They are just working out together.  
Keith : 4/20/2018 9:34 am : link
The chances of this happening is still slim to none, IMO. It would be a terrible decision and it just doesn't seem like something we will do.
Huh?  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 9:34 am : link
Players workout with other players from different teams all the time, is it really bad optics to workout with dez?

That literally makes zero sense
Not going to happen  
Harvest Blend : 4/20/2018 9:39 am : link
goes against everything Gettleman has said since day one.
Oooo look, an optics post  
UConn4523 : 4/20/2018 9:40 am : link
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Is mini-camp..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 9:40 am : link
extended??

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Odell
"Hey Dez - would love to but the next couple of weeks are not good as I am working out with teammates and the optics would not be cool... Let's do it next time you're in town."
RE: RE: RE: Hard pass on Bryant...  
ron mexico : 4/20/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 13922336 the mike said:
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In comment 13922301 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 13922288 the mike said:


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Base set will be Beckham-Shepard-Ellison-Engram. Lewis and Latimer will be primary backups with Rudolph/Powe et al competing for final spots. If they can get a serviceable WR in rounds four or five, great. Free agents look completely uninspiring - none of them are worth more than a veteran minimum contract...

And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre.



Wtf did Beckham do?



Here is what he should have done:

Dez
"Hey Odell, I'm going to be in LA and it would be great to work out this week with you - what do you say?"

Odell
"Hey Dez - would love to but the next couple of weeks are not good as I am working out with teammates and the optics would not be cool... Let's do it next time you're in town."


this is satire, right?
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arcarsenal : 4/20/2018 9:45 am : link
Oh jeez, the optics...

I don't care that they're working out together if that's what they want to do. I just don't want the Giants signing this dude.

I think Gettleman is smart enough not to. But we'll see
There was a report  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 9:52 am : link
That said Marshall took a pay cut and then giants released him..

Was it offered he accepted and giants cut him anyway?

Or

Was this offered awhile ago he took it, and now giants were like ehh wr are cutting you?
RE: There was a report  
ron mexico : 4/20/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 13922384 nygiants16 said:
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That said Marshall took a pay cut and then giants released him..

Was it offered he accepted and giants cut him anyway?

Or

Was this offered awhile ago he took it, and now giants were like ehh wr are cutting you?


I took it to mean that BM offered to take a pay cut but the team said no thanks
See that makes no sense then  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 10:03 am : link
If he was willing to take a pay cut to get minimum why not do it and wait to see what he had in training camp? If he plays like shit cut him, why cut him now and have to pay injury settlemant?
If he took..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 10:06 am : link
a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released.

Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.
RE: If he took..  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 13922415 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released.

Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.


No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has?
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 10:11 am : link
basically the Giants wanted to go in a different direction and weren't interested in Marshall at any price.
RE: RE: If he took..  
ron mexico : 4/20/2018 10:12 am : link
In comment 13922421 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13922415 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released.

Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.



No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has?


Vet Min was never mentioned.
bring him to camp  
UESBLUE : 4/20/2018 10:17 am : link
and lets see what he got left. Randy Moss was a dick and grew up at the end ofhis career.
RE: RE: RE: If he took..  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 10:19 am : link
In comment 13922431 ron mexico said:
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In comment 13922421 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 13922415 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released.

Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.



No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has?



Vet Min was never mentioned.


I thought I saw minimum somewhere, I re read some articles he agreed to pay cut in March, so he thought he was staying
I don't think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 10:21 am : link
just bringing Dez to camp to see what he has is an option. He's going to want a decent contract and while we would want it structured to get out of easily, I doubt Dez would have that same wish.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If he took..  
ron mexico : 4/20/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13922451 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13922421 nygiants16 said:


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a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released.

Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.



No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has?



Vet Min was never mentioned.



I thought I saw minimum somewhere, I re read some articles he agreed to pay cut in March, so he thought he was staying


I read a couple of articles and none state how much of a pay cut.
I'm guessing they had a deal in principle pending a physical. When he failed the physical it was time to move on.
RE: I don't think..  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 10:23 am : link
In comment 13922458 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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just bringing Dez to camp to see what he has is an option. He's going to want a decent contract and while we would want it structured to get out of easily, I doubt Dez would have that same wish.


Then no deal that simple
Fool me once...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/20/2018 10:30 am : link
...Brandon Marshall.

"Won't get fooled again!?"
I don't trust what he would do to the locker room  
PatersonPlank : 4/20/2018 10:34 am : link
If we had a more veteran, stable crew then fine. However IMO we seem emotionally fragile. Dez, Flowers, Eli Apple, Beckham (who is a good guy but pretty emotional), and likely a few other guys who I don't even know about yet, seem like a bad mixture to me.
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 10:35 am : link
RE: See that makes no sense then  
Keith : 4/20/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 13922407 nygiants16 said:
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If he was willing to take a pay cut to get minimum why not do it and wait to see what he had in training camp? If he plays like shit cut him, why cut him now and have to pay injury settlemant?


He failed his physical. If he passed it, I think theres a chance BM could have come back.
RE: RE: See that makes no sense then  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 10:55 am : link
In comment 13922501 Keith said:
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In comment 13922407 nygiants16 said:


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If he was willing to take a pay cut to get minimum why not do it and wait to see what he had in training camp? If he plays like shit cut him, why cut him now and have to pay injury settlemant?



He failed his physical. If he passed it, I think theres a chance BM could have come back.


But why now? Why does he have to pass a physical now?

I am sure Beckham or Collins couldn't pass a physical either..

The only reason the physical came into play is because they wanted to cut him...
There's likely..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 10:58 am : link
a stipulation in his contract about passing a physical by a certain date or a certain period after the injury prior to camp

The timing really isn't unusual.
RE: There's likely..  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 13922517 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a stipulation in his contract about passing a physical by a certain date or a certain period after the injury prior to camp

The timing really isn't unusual.


Then there would be no injury settlement...

Actually it is very unusual because why ask him to take a pay cut in March if you had every intention of cutting him?

There would be no reason to ask for a pay cut if you wanted to cut him, there are no guarantees in his deal and no dead money
The injury..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 11:05 am : link
settlement is mandated by the Players Association.

RE: RE: There's likely..  
ron mexico : 4/20/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 13922523 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13922517 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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a stipulation in his contract about passing a physical by a certain date or a certain period after the injury prior to camp

The timing really isn't unusual.



Then there would be no injury settlement...

Actually it is very unusual because why ask him to take a pay cut in March if you had every intention of cutting him?

There would be no reason to ask for a pay cut if you wanted to cut him, there are no guarantees in his deal and no dead money


they were willing to keep him on if he was healthy. He wasn't so they moved on. Not that complicated.
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 11:07 am : link
you are a bit misinformed. The Giants didn't offer the pay cut, Marshall stated he'd be willing to take less money.

That's different from the team approaching him. Again - if they restructured or gave him a new contract - there would be a signing bonus and cap implications.

Secondly, he failed a physical which means they felt it was better to release him now with a settlement than wait for his recovery.

Doesn't look like he factored into their plans
RE: WR is not a need position....  
VinegarPeppers : 4/20/2018 11:10 am : link
The draft is coming. We also have Ellison to line up at TE while Engram slides outside as a very effective receiver. This is for some situations. I would like to grab a 6’3 WR in the draft.


In comment 13922114 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Really ? We have 2!! The rest are all #5 wr’s ....
Fatman every single article states  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 11:11 am : link
He ACCEPTED a pay cut in March and he felt he would be with the giants for this year..

Who cares if he cant pass a physical right now? If he accepted a pay cut what is the harm in keeping him and see what he has in training camp...

Maybe I am overthinking this but if you actually look at it there was no reason to cut him now
RE: There was a report  
VinegarPeppers : 4/20/2018 11:13 am : link
He failed his physical.


In comment 13922384 nygiants16 said:
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That said Marshall took a pay cut and then giants released him..

Was it offered he accepted and giants cut him anyway?

Or

Was this offered awhile ago he took it, and now giants were like ehh wr are cutting you?
If you don't know the details..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 11:14 am : link
how can you say there was no reason??

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Maybe I am overthinking this but if you actually look at it there was no reason to cut him now


If he reached a new deal, then that often only becomes official if he passes a physical. Heck, that might have been the trigger for him to take a physical. That he failed.

You might have already answered your own question.

If he failed a physical, it would void the contract offer and it would end up with his release.
The failed physical means nothing that was not the reason he was cut  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 11:15 am : link
The only reason it says he failed a physical is because they cut him, they had to cut him with that designation...

All we heard all offseasons was they cant chr him until he passes a physical..

If you were going to cut him anyway then why wait? If you didn't care about the injury settlement should of cut him at the beginning of the offseason, why make him think he would be here this year then cut him?
RE: I want it to happen just to see most of BBI squirm  
VinegarPeppers : 4/20/2018 11:17 am : link
Most of the Odell hate is from oldtimers who want players to hand the ball to the ref after a TD. Those days are gone. But you introduce an actual malcontent and the radar will be on high sensitivity and low tolerance.

Gettleman talked about character. Dez flys in the face of that.

In comment 13922218 UConn4523 said:
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The failed physical..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 11:18 am : link
is most definitely the reason he was cut.

I don't know why he had to have the physical, but I listed several reasons above why he would've had to have it.

You keep saying there was no reason to cut him - but there absolutely was a reason - he failed a physical.
RE: If you don't know the details..  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13922545 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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how can you say there was no reason??



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Maybe I am overthinking this but if you actually look at it there was no reason to cut him now



If he reached a new deal, then that often only becomes official if he passes a physical. Heck, that might have been the trigger for him to take a physical. That he failed.

You might have already answered your own question.

If he failed a physical, it would void the contract offer and it would end up with his release.


Since when is a pay cut a new contract?

Also if this happened in March why would he not take a physical then? Why would he not take a physical before working out at mini camp
RE: The failed physical..  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13922555 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is most definitely the reason he was cut.

I don't know why he had to have the physical, but I listed several reasons above why he would've had to have it.

You keep saying there was no reason to cut him - but there absolutely was a reason - he failed a physical.


Ok he failed a physical, but so did Landon Collins, I am sure Beckham would to..

My point is what is the harm in keeping him if he already agreed to a pay cut, you can cut him a week before the season and get the same savings
You act like he had guaranteed money coming at some point  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 11:23 am : link
You could of kept him on the roster, maybe he comes to camp and he lights it up, you then have him on a cheap contract...

I dont care if he cant pass a physical in April, that means nothing..
What I'm trying to tell..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 11:23 am : link
you is that there are several reasons why he would have to take a physical and pass to stay on the team. There might even have been stipulations that triggered a decision on what happens in the case of a failed physical.

All of this discussion is speculation since we don't know the details.

Here's what we know - he failed a physical and the team decided to release him with an injury settlement. Not sure why you are fixated on the need to keep him around until camp. It is starting to border on bizarre.
RE: What I'm trying to tell..  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 11:35 am : link
In comment 13922562 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you is that there are several reasons why he would have to take a physical and pass to stay on the team. There might even have been stipulations that triggered a decision on what happens in the case of a failed physical.

All of this discussion is speculation since we don't know the details.

Here's what we know - he failed a physical and the team decided to release him with an injury settlement. Not sure why you are fixated on the need to keep him around until camp. It is starting to border on bizarre.


Because all of season we heard he couldn't be cut because he had to pass a physical...

Now he is cut and it is oh yeah because he couldn't pass a physical...

That is where the confusion lies but I will stop since it is to bizarre for you
Do you know the date..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 11:38 am : link
that he had to take the physical?

If not, then it is bizarre to keep going on like the physical was just some random event.

Even you said he had to pass a physical. He didn't. He doesn't seem to be fighting the results and he was released with a settlement.

Your whole argumentation seems to be that the team erred because they didn't wait to cut a fringe piece of the offense, or worse, intentionally set a physical up for the reason of cutting him.
RE: Do you know the date..  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 11:49 am : link
In comment 13922581 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that he had to take the physical?

If not, then it is bizarre to keep going on like the physical was just some random event.

Even you said he had to pass a physical. He didn't. He doesn't seem to be fighting the results and he was released with a settlement.

Your whole argumentation seems to be that the team erred because they didn't wait to cut a fringe piece of the offense, or worse, intentionally set a physical up for the reason of cutting him.


Please show me where I said the team was wrong?

And most likely, he was not just given a physical yesterday and he failed...

The cut most likely happened before he failed a physical..

All I am asking is why now, and why not 2 months ago or why not after training camp...

They let him go through mini camp, so they had no problem there, that is all I am asking...
There could be a number of reasons.  
Keith : 4/20/2018 11:50 am : link
1. Maybe they have plans for that money and want to create space.

2. Maybe they want to give him an opp to catch on with another team.

3. Maybe this is when they agreed to meet and discuss.
What??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/20/2018 11:51 am : link
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The cut most likely happened before he failed a physical..


He was released after failing a physical and was released with an injury settlement. This isn't even up for debate is it?
RE: What??  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 11:59 am : link
In comment 13922607 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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The cut most likely happened before he failed a physical..



He was released after failing a physical and was released with an injury settlement. This isn't even up for debate is it?


Why wouldn't it be up for debate?

That is the whole basis of the debate, was he cut because of the physical or just cut and the physical came after to see if there was an injury settlemant
RE: RE: Do you know the date..  
ron mexico : 4/20/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13922604 nygiants16 said:
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They let him go through mini camp, so they had no problem there, that is all I am asking...


Do you know if he did anything on the ankle other than walk into the facility?
RE: There could be a number of reasons.  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13922606 Keith said:
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1. Maybe they have plans for that money and want to create space.

2. Maybe they want to give him an opp to catch on with another team.

3. Maybe this is when they agreed to meet and discuss.


Thank you this is all I wanted, was he cut because something was brewing?

I have no problem with the giants cutting marshall, I expected it, I just wanted to know why now?
RE: RE: RE: Do you know the date..  
nygiants16 : 4/20/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13922624 ron mexico said:
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In comment 13922604 nygiants16 said:


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They let him go through mini camp, so they had no problem there, that is all I am asking...



Do you know if he did anything on the ankle other than walk into the facility?


There is video of him working out In the weight room...

A healthy Marshal = Dez  
Bluesbreaker : 4/20/2018 1:12 pm : link
OBJ works out with whomever has no bearing on the team structure Dez is a headache we don't need .
We do need another starting WR that isn't a smurf .
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