land Nelson. He's an amazing talent, but I'm curious about whether Mara is tiring of him and whether in that case DG tries to move in another direction.
If it meant OBJ would sign to stay with the Giants and they where able to feed off of each other. It may also give them a focus and calm them down a bit since each would have someone to connect with. It could also be a total disaster.
But I look at it this way...what’s the harm? Is one guy really going to come in here and disrupt the whole culture? One year low risk deal to replace Marshall, make him earn that next paycheck and stick it to Dallas in the meantime
I think Odell is at a critical point in his career where he's either going to grow up a bit and be more of a professional, or he's just never going to get it. Dez is the type of guy who will help him gravitate towards the latter.
Beckham is doing the right things this offseason. He's stayed out of the spotlight for the most part (nevermind that stupid 3 second clip with the pizza - I don't buy that it was recent) and I think he understands what needs to be done to get a new contract here and stay with this team.
Having Dez Bryant in his ear on a daily basis is really the last thing I want. Dez is not a guy you want around when things aren't going well. He's a loudmouth, he shows up his teammates, he has a history of being a real piece of shit off the field, and he's not a player I want wearing this uniform.
If Dave Gettleman is smart, he'll pass on this player and aim to draft Marshall's replacement somewhere in the 2-4 round range instead.
There's a reason Dallas is letting this guy go. We should all have learned our lesson from what just happened with Brandon Marshall. Dez is declining on the field, and he's a fairly crappy person off it.
do with Dez Bryant. Marshall is shot at 35, Dez is not at 29.
The Cowboys offense with Prescott as their QB never complimented Bryant. Let's not confuse these two WR's and who would be feeding Bryant the ball. I'd take a chance!
Whether you want to believe it or not, men in their mid 20's are still very impressionable and can be influenced.
Dez would be a poor influence.
Forget Odell - take him out of the entire equation. Dez is a declining headache of a football player who was released for a reason.
If we didn't just learn our lesson from what happened with Marshall, we never will.
Get a WR who's best football is ahead of him. Not 4 years behind him.
He wants to stick it to Dallas? Great. There are 14 other games on the schedule that are just as important. Let him bring his jilted ex-lover act into someone else's locker room. We shouldn't want it here.
Wide receiver is not a need position; certainly not more than nearly every other position on this team. If Shurmur comes as advertised we'll be fine there.
But I look at it this way...what’s the harm? Is one guy really going to come in here and disrupt the whole culture? One year low risk deal to replace Marshall, make him earn that next paycheck and stick it to Dallas in the meantime
He'd be a big headache and not worth the trouble IMO. At best he'd be Eli's 3rd - 4th option after OBJ, EE, and SS. No way he'd be happy about not getting the ball enough,and the bitching and moaning would soon follow.
his desire to show up Dallas will drive him, his contract would make him extremely cuttable should he prove to be what everyone fears. DG and Mara will decide in either case.
His body of work as it pertains to his behavior is obviously concerning. Also, he has never seemed to have recovered from that foot injury
I really don't want Dez anywhere near this team, but I think this might be overblown. The two have worked out in the past and from what I can piece together are friends.
I'm sure lobbying in social media is more for appearances sake anyway. Like Landry saying the Browns were trading for Odell.
RE: I wonder whether we'd trade OBJ for the 6th pick in the draft to Â
land Nelson. He's an amazing talent, but I'm curious about whether Mara is tiring of him and whether in that case DG tries to move in another direction.
Base set will be Beckham-Shepard-Ellison-Engram. Lewis and Latimer will be primary backups with Rudolph/Powe et al competing for final spots. If they can get a serviceable WR in rounds four or five, great. Free agents look completely uninspiring - none of them are worth more than a veteran minimum contract...
And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre.
Base set will be Beckham-Shepard-Ellison-Engram. Lewis and Latimer will be primary backups with Rudolph/Powe et al competing for final spots. If they can get a serviceable WR in rounds four or five, great. Free agents look completely uninspiring - none of them are worth more than a veteran minimum contract...
And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre.
Base set will be Beckham-Shepard-Ellison-Engram. Lewis and Latimer will be primary backups with Rudolph/Powe et al competing for final spots. If they can get a serviceable WR in rounds four or five, great. Free agents look completely uninspiring - none of them are worth more than a veteran minimum contract...
And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre.
Wtf did Beckham do?
Here is what he should have done:
Dez
"Hey Odell, I'm going to be in LA and it would be great to work out this week with you - what do you say?"
Odell
"Hey Dez - would love to but the next couple of weeks are not good as I am working out with teammates and the optics would not be cool... Let's do it next time you're in town."
Odell
"Hey Dez - would love to but the next couple of weeks are not good as I am working out with teammates and the optics would not be cool... Let's do it next time you're in town."
Base set will be Beckham-Shepard-Ellison-Engram. Lewis and Latimer will be primary backups with Rudolph/Powe et al competing for final spots. If they can get a serviceable WR in rounds four or five, great. Free agents look completely uninspiring - none of them are worth more than a veteran minimum contract...
And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre.
Wtf did Beckham do?
Here is what he should have done:
Dez
"Hey Odell, I'm going to be in LA and it would be great to work out this week with you - what do you say?"
Odell
"Hey Dez - would love to but the next couple of weeks are not good as I am working out with teammates and the optics would not be cool... Let's do it next time you're in town."
If he was willing to take a pay cut to get minimum why not do it and wait to see what he had in training camp? If he plays like shit cut him, why cut him now and have to pay injury settlemant?
just bringing Dez to camp to see what he has is an option. He's going to want a decent contract and while we would want it structured to get out of easily, I doubt Dez would have that same wish.
a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released.
Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.
No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has?
Vet Min was never mentioned.
I thought I saw minimum somewhere, I re read some articles he agreed to pay cut in March, so he thought he was staying
I read a couple of articles and none state how much of a pay cut.
I'm guessing they had a deal in principle pending a physical. When he failed the physical it was time to move on.
just bringing Dez to camp to see what he has is an option. He's going to want a decent contract and while we would want it structured to get out of easily, I doubt Dez would have that same wish.
If we had a more veteran, stable crew then fine. However IMO we seem emotionally fragile. Dez, Flowers, Eli Apple, Beckham (who is a good guy but pretty emotional), and likely a few other guys who I don't even know about yet, seem like a bad mixture to me.
If he was willing to take a pay cut to get minimum why not do it and wait to see what he had in training camp? If he plays like shit cut him, why cut him now and have to pay injury settlemant?
He failed his physical. If he passed it, I think theres a chance BM could have come back.
If he was willing to take a pay cut to get minimum why not do it and wait to see what he had in training camp? If he plays like shit cut him, why cut him now and have to pay injury settlemant?
He failed his physical. If he passed it, I think theres a chance BM could have come back.
But why now? Why does he have to pass a physical now?
I am sure Beckham or Collins couldn't pass a physical either..
The only reason the physical came into play is because they wanted to cut him...
you are a bit misinformed. The Giants didn't offer the pay cut, Marshall stated he'd be willing to take less money.
That's different from the team approaching him. Again - if they restructured or gave him a new contract - there would be a signing bonus and cap implications.
Secondly, he failed a physical which means they felt it was better to release him now with a settlement than wait for his recovery.
The draft is coming. We also have Ellison to line up at TE while Engram slides outside as a very effective receiver. This is for some situations. I would like to grab a 6’3 WR in the draft.
In comment 13922114 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Really ? We have 2!! The rest are all #5 wr’s ....
Maybe I am overthinking this but if you actually look at it there was no reason to cut him now
If he reached a new deal, then that often only becomes official if he passes a physical. Heck, that might have been the trigger for him to take a physical. That he failed.
You might have already answered your own question.
If he failed a physical, it would void the contract offer and it would end up with his release.
The failed physical means nothing that was not the reason he was cut Â
The only reason it says he failed a physical is because they cut him, they had to cut him with that designation...
All we heard all offseasons was they cant chr him until he passes a physical..
If you were going to cut him anyway then why wait? If you didn't care about the injury settlement should of cut him at the beginning of the offseason, why make him think he would be here this year then cut him?
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Most of the Odell hate is from oldtimers who want players to hand the ball to the ref after a TD. Those days are gone. But you introduce an actual malcontent and the radar will be on high sensitivity and low tolerance.
Gettleman talked about character. Dez flys in the face of that.
Maybe I am overthinking this but if you actually look at it there was no reason to cut him now
If he reached a new deal, then that often only becomes official if he passes a physical. Heck, that might have been the trigger for him to take a physical. That he failed.
You might have already answered your own question.
If he failed a physical, it would void the contract offer and it would end up with his release.
Since when is a pay cut a new contract?
Also if this happened in March why would he not take a physical then? Why would he not take a physical before working out at mini camp
you is that there are several reasons why he would have to take a physical and pass to stay on the team. There might even have been stipulations that triggered a decision on what happens in the case of a failed physical.
All of this discussion is speculation since we don't know the details.
Here's what we know - he failed a physical and the team decided to release him with an injury settlement. Not sure why you are fixated on the need to keep him around until camp. It is starting to border on bizarre.
you is that there are several reasons why he would have to take a physical and pass to stay on the team. There might even have been stipulations that triggered a decision on what happens in the case of a failed physical.
All of this discussion is speculation since we don't know the details.
Here's what we know - he failed a physical and the team decided to release him with an injury settlement. Not sure why you are fixated on the need to keep him around until camp. It is starting to border on bizarre.
Because all of season we heard he couldn't be cut because he had to pass a physical...
Now he is cut and it is oh yeah because he couldn't pass a physical...
That is where the confusion lies but I will stop since it is to bizarre for you
If not, then it is bizarre to keep going on like the physical was just some random event.
Even you said he had to pass a physical. He didn't. He doesn't seem to be fighting the results and he was released with a settlement.
Your whole argumentation seems to be that the team erred because they didn't wait to cut a fringe piece of the offense, or worse, intentionally set a physical up for the reason of cutting him.
If not, then it is bizarre to keep going on like the physical was just some random event.
Even you said he had to pass a physical. He didn't. He doesn't seem to be fighting the results and he was released with a settlement.
Your whole argumentation seems to be that the team erred because they didn't wait to cut a fringe piece of the offense, or worse, intentionally set a physical up for the reason of cutting him.
Please show me where I said the team was wrong?
And most likely, he was not just given a physical yesterday and he failed...
The cut most likely happened before he failed a physical..
All I am asking is why now, and why not 2 months ago or why not after training camp...
They let him go through mini camp, so they had no problem there, that is all I am asking...
The cut most likely happened before he failed a physical..
He was released after failing a physical and was released with an injury settlement. This isn't even up for debate is it?
Why wouldn't it be up for debate?
That is the whole basis of the debate, was he cut because of the physical or just cut and the physical came after to see if there was an injury settlemant
Beckham is doing the right things this offseason. He's stayed out of the spotlight for the most part (nevermind that stupid 3 second clip with the pizza - I don't buy that it was recent) and I think he understands what needs to be done to get a new contract here and stay with this team.
Having Dez Bryant in his ear on a daily basis is really the last thing I want. Dez is not a guy you want around when things aren't going well. He's a loudmouth, he shows up his teammates, he has a history of being a real piece of shit off the field, and he's not a player I want wearing this uniform.
If Dave Gettleman is smart, he'll pass on this player and aim to draft Marshall's replacement somewhere in the 2-4 round range instead.
There's a reason Dallas is letting this guy go. We should all have learned our lesson from what just happened with Brandon Marshall. Dez is declining on the field, and he's a fairly crappy person off it.
Youth, youth, youth. Not another headache.
It's on Dez's Instagram
he would be a great #2 wr.
a little concern about him and OBJ...but that might be overblown
The Cowboys offense with Prescott as their QB never complimented Bryant. Let's not confuse these two WR's and who would be feeding Bryant the ball. I'd take a chance!
Who? Gettleman or Beckham?
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All he has to do to not let me down is....
Continue to be the player he's always been.
Not get into legal trouble.
If he satisfies that criteria, I won't be let down.
Beckham is not Dez Bryant. Dez is a guy you can call an asshole and I will agree with you 100% because he is.
Let him go to Washington and fight Josh Norman on the sidelines when things don't go their way.
Dez would be a poor influence.
Forget Odell - take him out of the entire equation. Dez is a declining headache of a football player who was released for a reason.
If we didn't just learn our lesson from what happened with Marshall, we never will.
Get a WR who's best football is ahead of him. Not 4 years behind him.
He wants to stick it to Dallas? Great. There are 14 other games on the schedule that are just as important. Let him bring his jilted ex-lover act into someone else's locker room. We shouldn't want it here.
We need a WR2 - Shepard is a WR3 and our other receivers are training camp fodder.
The thing is, if Dez wants to be a Giant, he's going to have to take a lot less than he could get on the open market.
He'd be a big headache and not worth the trouble IMO. At best he'd be Eli's 3rd - 4th option after OBJ, EE, and SS. No way he'd be happy about not getting the ball enough,and the bitching and moaning would soon follow.
He assaulted his own mom.
Rudolph. Young FA. Draft in the 3rd or 4th. Several undrafteds.
Hard no on Dez.
He is just about the last guy I would think to sign if you want the culture within this organization restored.
Now if he sucks or becomes a problem you cut him and move on..
Everyone expects the giants to suck anyway so what is the risk? You are not signing him to a 5 year deal
His body of work as it pertains to his behavior is obviously concerning. Also, he has never seemed to have recovered from that foot injury
Bc he cant control his emotions.
I thought he was in a group with Landry, Dez, James White and Kenny Stills?
Bryant only has a general idea of what a passing route looks like.
I thought he was in a group with Landry, Dez, James White and Kenny Stills?
I thi k it is more of the timing of the video than anything else
I'm sure lobbying in social media is more for appearances sake anyway. Like Landry saying the Browns were trading for Odell.
for working out with another player?
And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre.
And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre.
Wtf did Beckham do?
Between Barkley, Odell, Engram and Shepard, how many targets are left over for a former #1 who struggles to get separation?
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Base set will be Beckham-Shepard-Ellison-Engram. Lewis and Latimer will be primary backups with Rudolph/Powe et al competing for final spots. If they can get a serviceable WR in rounds four or five, great. Free agents look completely uninspiring - none of them are worth more than a veteran minimum contract...
And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre.
Wtf did Beckham do?
Here is what he should have done:
Dez
"Hey Odell, I'm going to be in LA and it would be great to work out this week with you - what do you say?"
Odell
"Hey Dez - would love to but the next couple of weeks are not good as I am working out with teammates and the optics would not be cool... Let's do it next time you're in town."
That literally makes zero sense
"Hey Dez - would love to but the next couple of weeks are not good as I am working out with teammates and the optics would not be cool... Let's do it next time you're in town."
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Base set will be Beckham-Shepard-Ellison-Engram. Lewis and Latimer will be primary backups with Rudolph/Powe et al competing for final spots. If they can get a serviceable WR in rounds four or five, great. Free agents look completely uninspiring - none of them are worth more than a veteran minimum contract...
And is it necessary for Odell to insert himself into this story? Every week it is another cry out for attention from this guy... bizarre.
Wtf did Beckham do?
Here is what he should have done:
Dez
"Hey Odell, I'm going to be in LA and it would be great to work out this week with you - what do you say?"
Odell
"Hey Dez - would love to but the next couple of weeks are not good as I am working out with teammates and the optics would not be cool... Let's do it next time you're in town."
this is satire, right?
I don't care that they're working out together if that's what they want to do. I just don't want the Giants signing this dude.
I think Gettleman is smart enough not to. But we'll see
Was it offered he accepted and giants cut him anyway?
Or
Was this offered awhile ago he took it, and now giants were like ehh wr are cutting you?
Was it offered he accepted and giants cut him anyway?
Or
Was this offered awhile ago he took it, and now giants were like ehh wr are cutting you?
I took it to mean that BM offered to take a pay cut but the team said no thanks
Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.
Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.
No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has?
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a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released.
Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.
No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has?
Vet Min was never mentioned.
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a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released.
Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.
No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has?
Vet Min was never mentioned.
I thought I saw minimum somewhere, I re read some articles he agreed to pay cut in March, so he thought he was staying
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a pay cut, it would have been a new contract, which will have cap impact if he's released.
Since we aren't in the season yet, the injury settlement doesn't have a cap impact.
No but what I am saying is if he was willing to go from 6 to minimum what is the harm in seeing what he has?
Vet Min was never mentioned.
I thought I saw minimum somewhere, I re read some articles he agreed to pay cut in March, so he thought he was staying
I read a couple of articles and none state how much of a pay cut.
I'm guessing they had a deal in principle pending a physical. When he failed the physical it was time to move on.
Then no deal that simple
"Won't get fooled again!?"
He failed his physical. If he passed it, I think theres a chance BM could have come back.
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If he was willing to take a pay cut to get minimum why not do it and wait to see what he had in training camp? If he plays like shit cut him, why cut him now and have to pay injury settlemant?
He failed his physical. If he passed it, I think theres a chance BM could have come back.
But why now? Why does he have to pass a physical now?
I am sure Beckham or Collins couldn't pass a physical either..
The only reason the physical came into play is because they wanted to cut him...
The timing really isn't unusual.
The timing really isn't unusual.
Then there would be no injury settlement...
Actually it is very unusual because why ask him to take a pay cut in March if you had every intention of cutting him?
There would be no reason to ask for a pay cut if you wanted to cut him, there are no guarantees in his deal and no dead money
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a stipulation in his contract about passing a physical by a certain date or a certain period after the injury prior to camp
The timing really isn't unusual.
Then there would be no injury settlement...
Actually it is very unusual because why ask him to take a pay cut in March if you had every intention of cutting him?
There would be no reason to ask for a pay cut if you wanted to cut him, there are no guarantees in his deal and no dead money
they were willing to keep him on if he was healthy. He wasn't so they moved on. Not that complicated.
That's different from the team approaching him. Again - if they restructured or gave him a new contract - there would be a signing bonus and cap implications.
Secondly, he failed a physical which means they felt it was better to release him now with a settlement than wait for his recovery.
Doesn't look like he factored into their plans
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Who cares if he cant pass a physical right now? If he accepted a pay cut what is the harm in keeping him and see what he has in training camp...
Maybe I am overthinking this but if you actually look at it there was no reason to cut him now
In comment 13922384 nygiants16 said:
Was it offered he accepted and giants cut him anyway?
Or
Was this offered awhile ago he took it, and now giants were like ehh wr are cutting you?
If he reached a new deal, then that often only becomes official if he passes a physical. Heck, that might have been the trigger for him to take a physical. That he failed.
You might have already answered your own question.
If he failed a physical, it would void the contract offer and it would end up with his release.
All we heard all offseasons was they cant chr him until he passes a physical..
If you were going to cut him anyway then why wait? If you didn't care about the injury settlement should of cut him at the beginning of the offseason, why make him think he would be here this year then cut him?
Gettleman talked about character. Dez flys in the face of that.
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I don't know why he had to have the physical, but I listed several reasons above why he would've had to have it.
You keep saying there was no reason to cut him - but there absolutely was a reason - he failed a physical.
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Maybe I am overthinking this but if you actually look at it there was no reason to cut him now
If he reached a new deal, then that often only becomes official if he passes a physical. Heck, that might have been the trigger for him to take a physical. That he failed.
You might have already answered your own question.
If he failed a physical, it would void the contract offer and it would end up with his release.
Since when is a pay cut a new contract?
Also if this happened in March why would he not take a physical then? Why would he not take a physical before working out at mini camp
I don't know why he had to have the physical, but I listed several reasons above why he would've had to have it.
You keep saying there was no reason to cut him - but there absolutely was a reason - he failed a physical.
Ok he failed a physical, but so did Landon Collins, I am sure Beckham would to..
My point is what is the harm in keeping him if he already agreed to a pay cut, you can cut him a week before the season and get the same savings
I dont care if he cant pass a physical in April, that means nothing..
All of this discussion is speculation since we don't know the details.
Here's what we know - he failed a physical and the team decided to release him with an injury settlement. Not sure why you are fixated on the need to keep him around until camp. It is starting to border on bizarre.
All of this discussion is speculation since we don't know the details.
Here's what we know - he failed a physical and the team decided to release him with an injury settlement. Not sure why you are fixated on the need to keep him around until camp. It is starting to border on bizarre.
Because all of season we heard he couldn't be cut because he had to pass a physical...
Now he is cut and it is oh yeah because he couldn't pass a physical...
That is where the confusion lies but I will stop since it is to bizarre for you
If not, then it is bizarre to keep going on like the physical was just some random event.
Even you said he had to pass a physical. He didn't. He doesn't seem to be fighting the results and he was released with a settlement.
Your whole argumentation seems to be that the team erred because they didn't wait to cut a fringe piece of the offense, or worse, intentionally set a physical up for the reason of cutting him.
If not, then it is bizarre to keep going on like the physical was just some random event.
Even you said he had to pass a physical. He didn't. He doesn't seem to be fighting the results and he was released with a settlement.
Your whole argumentation seems to be that the team erred because they didn't wait to cut a fringe piece of the offense, or worse, intentionally set a physical up for the reason of cutting him.
Please show me where I said the team was wrong?
And most likely, he was not just given a physical yesterday and he failed...
The cut most likely happened before he failed a physical..
All I am asking is why now, and why not 2 months ago or why not after training camp...
They let him go through mini camp, so they had no problem there, that is all I am asking...
2. Maybe they want to give him an opp to catch on with another team.
3. Maybe this is when they agreed to meet and discuss.
He was released after failing a physical and was released with an injury settlement. This isn't even up for debate is it?
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The cut most likely happened before he failed a physical..
He was released after failing a physical and was released with an injury settlement. This isn't even up for debate is it?
Why wouldn't it be up for debate?
That is the whole basis of the debate, was he cut because of the physical or just cut and the physical came after to see if there was an injury settlemant
They let him go through mini camp, so they had no problem there, that is all I am asking...
Do you know if he did anything on the ankle other than walk into the facility?
2. Maybe they want to give him an opp to catch on with another team.
3. Maybe this is when they agreed to meet and discuss.
Thank you this is all I wanted, was he cut because something was brewing?
I have no problem with the giants cutting marshall, I expected it, I just wanted to know why now?
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They let him go through mini camp, so they had no problem there, that is all I am asking...
Do you know if he did anything on the ankle other than walk into the facility?
There is video of him working out In the weight room...
We do need another starting WR that isn't a smurf .