Eli Manning Deserves Better...

make any sense on a any level. At all.

With the article said it would be "rude to draft a QB 2nd"

Give me a break.

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In comment 13922152 yatqb said:

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he's 37 years old. everyone has to earn their position on the team.

But this narrative that he somehow should be spared the things that have happened to many great quarterbacks over the years, is difficult to understand.

Even the reaction to his benching last season was unusual. The Giants stunk, Eli had played poorly, coach was trying to save his job, and yes he felt Geno gave him better chance to win.

Phil Simms was benched for Scott Bruner, he got pissed, but that was the end of it.

Eli is a great Giant, there have been others before him that have been replaced. Plus, if you re not part of the soloution, you re part of the problem.

Eli might indeed spring back this season, I m a Giants fan, I hope he does. But he has been part of the problem.

Regardless of the topic is that is horribly written and disjointed article.

And the sloppy attempt are using some statistics shows Manning is older and way suckier than the teams who have replaced good quarterbacks.

Teams are supposed to wait until a player is done before they look for his replacement? That's a plan for disaster. The Patriots have invested in many QBs, and not just with the idea of them being backups, and they'll draft one again this year given the opportunity. And Brady is still reaching the SB, whereas Giants have had one winning seasons in the past 5 years. Everyone else from the SB teams (coach, GM, every other starter) is gone. No one player is above the organization.

sentimental with their players? No. When you are done, you are out. It's a business, not a big group hug. Eli is a grown man who has made millions upon millions of dollars. Anyone spending one second of their day feeling bad for Eli Manning has a very warped perspective on reality.

As has been the case since the day they drafted him in 2004: Eli will be fine.

is so soft and nonsensical w Manning. Another example like yday's "raise your hand if you quit on Eli" post. Pathetic.

This guys realizes that the Giants have compensated him pretty well over the years, right?

I mean, Eli cried when he got benched. C'mon man.

Appreciate the loyalty of so many Giant fans and their appreciation for Eli. I felt the same way about Simms. Eli has not been mistreated. He is well-paid , particularly in a what-have you-done-for-me lately NFL. He is a hero in NY, had an outstanding 14 year career and been given opportunities that will help him after football. But those who think that Eli can stall the march of time, discover the fountain of youth and suddenly become a QB he has not been in years if only he has an RB or an improved line are setting themselves up years of frustration. One RB or OL player cannot fix all the problems of this team. Cannot make Eli quicker, more mobile, more accurate.

Gettleman is right in saying that if you make a mistake in evaluating a QB in the draft it can set you back for 5 years. The same is true if you make a mistake in evaluating a 37 year old QB who is still playing. Draft the damn QB, let Eli teach him and try to develop some continuity for the next generation.

Replacement can be picked when he’s in the team so can Eli’s. Do we want to smoothly transition from Qb to Qb like Green Bay or be looking for a qb forever like a ton of other teams

pathetic cult...

In comment 13922214 Jimmy Googs said:

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pathetic cult...

is there anyone here actually agreeing with the article?

After being subjected to Slick, JPP of tight ends, Sinorice Moss, Beckum, Baas, Flowers, Adrien Robinson, scapegoating of Coughlin and Gilbride, Rashad Jenning, Brandon Marshall, shame of being replaced by Geno Smith...

If Giants fans got what they deserve, Will Smith would wave that "Men in Black" forgetaboutit light in our eyes to purge much of the last 6 seasons...

...there's a lot more to this piece than just feeling badly about Eli having to sit near his eventual replacement in the locker room (which, incidentally, will be Josh Rosen).

So we shouldn’t draft the next great giants qb because of Eli’s feelings???

Anyone who thinks that way is an absolute idiot.

Guys, we have a shot to solidify the qb position if the player at 2 fits the giants criteria. Stop overthinking this!!!! You guys are losing your mind.

Amongst some of the fan base and best writers is completely ridiculous. He is a 37 year old qb, being paid to perform like a top 5 qb when he's performed more like a bottom 10 qb over the past 2 seasons.

Just as picking the wrong qb can set you back 5 years, staying with an aging and declining qb can also set you back five years. I fear, however, that this is what the Giants will do, it has been a poorly run franchise for a half decade and this would be keeping with that tone.

In comment 13922200 Dodge said:

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I mean, Eli cried when he got benched. C'mon man.

Quarterbacks aren't supposed to cry

I think the teams and schemes that he has had to deal with throughout his career never really allowed him to reach his full potential, I think he's a better QB than he's ever been given credit for, and I think he still has some good football left in him, possibly even championship level with the right pieces around him.

But none of that means they shouldn't draft his replacement this year.

And what he has meant to this organization, but he has had his time. We need a new face to lead the franchise. Eli is class guy, and I hope he can understand that.

to players get you nowhere

he's not a very good qb and hasnt been a very good qb over the last two years

now how much of that had to do with mcadoo and the poo poo platter reese put around him remains to be seen but in no way should he be impacting this pick

no one is a bigger fan of Eli Manning than I am. He's going to be in the Giants Ring of Honor, he's going to be in the discussion for the NFL HOF. He's been paid about 250 million dollars and he's earned it. But it's time for the next guy either next year or the year after. Maybe even this year if the season goes down the tubes again.

-BBI

and even some poorly run businesses have replacements in training. You don't stay in in business, or any kind of organizational existence without prepping for the future, especially with an employee hearing retirement age.
The thread title makes a lot of sense; Eli has deserved the draft better the last 5+ years.
The comment in the thread makes no sense at all

to look at eli's 2016 season and come away with the conclusion that he was somehow holding the team or the offense back.. i agree his 2017 was a bit of a disaster, as was his 2013, but i don't think you can lock onto those two seasons and say unequivocally that he's "done." perhaps i'm being sentimental but i remember eli being the only offensive player to show up to the green bay playoff game january 2017, whereas his receivers shit the bed. this past season all of his receivers were on IR or missed huge chunks of time, and the giants rushing attack has only gotten worse since bradshaw retired. after all eli has done he gets the benefit of the doubt from me

for the sake of the next 12-14 seasons? (6 seasons, if we draft Rosen)

As mentioned he was benched for Brunner
Then he lost his job to Hoss after being injured during what was the best statistical season of his career at that point.
Then the Giants use a supplemental draft pick to select a QB to replace him in the first round.
He is cut after leading the team back into the playoffs for that draft pick. So Dave Brown could play.
Its fair to argue that Simms is a lock for the HOF if he doesn't lose those three season. Tough to argue in hindsight that his benching was the wrong decision too.
Eli has had it good compared to Phil.

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Wouldn’t have??? Terrible unimaginable offense play calling , Wrs were all hurt, Swiss cheese OL with almost zero running game.

They were 3-13,not because of Eli.

Nobody escapes their share of the blame.

In comment 13922473 SHO'NUFF said:

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-BBI

You're such a child.

In comment 13922567 SHO'NUFF said:

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for the sake of the next 12-14 seasons? (6 seasons, if we draft Rosen)

Is this a serious question? You can't really be this dumb.

...and there are myriad more exaamples.

In comment 13922440 JoeyBigBlue said:

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And what he has meant to this organization, but he has had his time. We need a new face to lead the franchise. Eli is class guy, and I hope he can understand that.

He does all the way to the bank.

In comment 13922822 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13922473 SHO'NUFF said: Quote: -BBI You're such a child.

Blow me.

In comment 13922825 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13922567 SHO'NUFF said: Quote: for the sake of the next 12-14 seasons? (6 seasons, if we draft Rosen) Is this a serious question? You can't really be this dumb.

Drafting for the future means you're not trying to win now.

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I think the teams and schemes that he has had to deal with throughout his career never really allowed him to reach his full potential, I think he's a better QB than he's ever been given credit for, and I think he still has some good football left in him, possibly even championship level with the right pieces around him. But none of that means they shouldn't draft his replacement this year.

Exactly. I don't know why this has become such a divisive issue.

In comment 13923524 SHO'NUFF said:

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In comment 13922825 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13922567 SHO'NUFF said: Quote: for the sake of the next 12-14 seasons? (6 seasons, if we draft Rosen) Is this a serious question? You can't really be this dumb. Drafting for the future means you're not trying to win now.

Even if that were true (and it's not, because the draft is always for the future), you just asked whether 12-14 seasons could outweigh one season. Do you understand how asinine you sound?

In comment 13922970 Giantfan in skinland said:

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This is exactly what I thought of. I love Eli but if Montana can be replaced so can Eli. It’s a business, not personal. But what they did with Geno was a disgrace. The season was lost no need to make an issue like they did. They should have never told Eli the plan and if the Raider game got away they should have pulled Eli for Geno at that point. Actually they should have pulled him for Webb and let the rookie sink or swim.