I got a old college friend of mine whose now a free lance scout and previously worked with the Rams staff during Jeff Fisher's run. He told me that he talked with a buddy of his whose a scout for the Browns and shared some of their conversation with me.
- Saquon Barkley is the top rated prospect by a good majority of their front office.
- No official trade offers have been exchanged but it was floated to the Giants that picks #33 and #35 would be available if the Giants moved down from 2 to 4. Which would allow them to draft Barkley and their top rated QB.
- Giants asked about the possibility to include Cleveland's 2019 first. Talks didn't go much further. Expectation is it will pick up more once both teams are on the clock.
My friend also said his Browns source didn't say this but he got the sense that Barkley would be the first pick, as they don't think the Giants would pass on him at 2nd overall.
I almost did not post this info I got from my friend, as being a long time member on BBI, I know how these asshat threads get shredded and torn apart. Take everything posted with a grain of salt and if you want to bash away, have at it...
Odds are probably better that the guy they want won't be the best one in the draft. I think it's going to be Allen or Darnold if they go QB @ 1 and both of those guys have their own red flags.
Beyond that - it's the fucking Browns. Who cares what we "allow" them to do if it makes our team better? They're an AFC team and have virtually zero impact on us.
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wants to re-energize their fan base by picking the best QB (Allen/Darnold/?) and top RB in the draft (Barkley).
This trade scenario wouldn't surprise me in the least
Exactly
Was just saying to myself that if the Giants are asking for the moon, and the Browns have Allen and Darnold ranked very closely, they might give the nod to Allen thinking that the Giants jump at Darnold, giving them their perfect result with the 1 and 4.
This is all very interesting. Giants in the drivers seat here. I honestly think that the Barkley love is all a smoke screen to get the Browns to either take him at one, trade up to two or take Allen first and hoping the Giants jump at their fave qb at 2 leaving them Saquon after the Jets take a QB.
Good stuff.
My three picks would be:
OT Williams, OG Hernandez/Corbett/Wynn, and C Price/Daniels.
Haha three straight picks of Hog Mollies and all of a sudden our OL is set for 4-5 years. Plus we'd have Bradley Chubb. Would be consistent with Gettleman's pledge to build in the trenches.
Nick Chubb might also slip to the 3rd round.
I don’t have their draft board but if moving down costs me the only QB I like then I want a chance to get one next year. Hence the first rounder in 2019 to move up.
Junior...
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If you can end up with 4, 33, 34, 35 and a pick from Cleveland in next years draft (a 1 or 2), then you almost have to take that deal. You can still take a QB at 4, or Nelson, or Chubb. Then three 2’s, two 3’s... that’s potentially 5 key players and 1 all pro/blue chip type. How about getting 12, 22 and more for 4? Talk abou flippin’ your 2nd overall pick... this is all a fairy tale IMO thanks for sharing but I don’t believe it has any real legs.. hopefully hitdog will shed some light early next week before draft day.
You stop at 4, 33, 34, 35 and a pick from Cleveland in next years draft ...
Agreed.
I don’t have their draft board but if moving down costs me the only QB I like then I want a chance to get one next year. Hence the first rounder in 2019 to move up.
Junior...
Googs being his typical meatball self. Last night you defend your fellow dip shit firedbytheboss citing BBI meanies who obliterate stupid posts. Now, you are using "chucklehead" (wtf does that even mean?) and "junior" as your put downs. This after telling me "your mother wears army boots" a few months back.
Guess what? Pinky rings and velour sweat pants WERE cool in the Sopranos....meatball.
I would 100% do this....BUT i am not taking nelson or chubb
lets say
Browns-Allen
Browns-Barkley
Jets-Darnold
I take rosen
lets say
Browns-Darnold
Browns-Barkley
Jets-Mayfield
I take rosen
lets say
Browns-Darnold
Browns-Barkley
Jets-Rosen
This is probably the only situation where I am taking nelson or chubb
Barkley
Allen
Rosen
And you still get Darnold
How great would it be to land your QB of the future on day 1 and start day 2 of the draft with the first three picks?
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Remote thrower. If the Browns take Darnold at 1 and we take Barkley instead of this deal, my remote will be thrown, stomped on, lit a blaze and then pissed on.
Chubb plus the first 3 of the 2nd is a better pick than a rb at 2
man it sounds crazy but I would be tempted to move down from #4 with the bills at that point
Assuming we do that trade with the browns and they pick Darnold/Barkeyl with 1 and 2...then the jets take Mayfield with #3.
I would move #4 to the bills so they can pick Josh Allen in front of Denver and John Elway.
I know we would lose out on Chubb. But if we walked away with: 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66, and 69 we would walk away with 10 pick in the top 70. That is crazy.
And we could still grab someone like Davenport at #12 who I think fits to 3-4 outside pass rusher scheme much more than Chubb does. Then factor in all these additional picks.
We can basically fill all our holes with one draft.
Right now I want to trade down with the Bills. The entertainment value alone of that many picks would be worth it.
Damn... I don't want to do it and I think I'd almost have to pull the trigger on that trade.
Gettleman basically told you that we aren't drafting that guy if you carefully read his quote.
They asked him "Do you think Josh Rosen loves to play football" and he responded "He wants to play football".
Think about that
But I agree with your assessment not when
He said...he does not want players that love to play football.....he want players that hate to lose
Gettleman basically told you that we aren't drafting that guy if you carefully read his quote.
They asked him "Do you think Josh Rosen loves to play football" and he responded "He wants to play football".
Think about that
That wasn’t the question. The full question and answer was
Q: One of the things that you need from a player is that they have to love football. There are reports that Josh Rosen maybe lacks a desire to play the game. You met with him. What was your impression of him?
A: He wants to play football. He came off as bright, insightful and he wants to play football.
If you listen to the interview, Gettlemen was answering the question about his desire and he emphatically says he wants to play football. I don’t know why people keep twisting it to fit their narrative. Rosen isn’t even a player I’m excited about them drafting but if you’re gonna repeat the quote ad nauseam, at least use the actual quote.
Almost wish this info isn’t true....getting my hopes up
Gettleman basically told you that we aren't drafting that guy if you carefully read his quote.
They asked him "Do you think Josh Rosen loves to play football" and he responded "He wants to play football".
Think about that
I think you need to think about what he said again...
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...and still come away with the highest graded player on their board, Gettleman deserves to be in the Poker Player Hall of Fame (along with A.J. Smith).
Get real. Suppose they think Barkley is the next OJ and will take our offense over the top ? Is that out of the question ? Trusting BG on this is all we can do.
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...and still come away with the highest graded player on their board, Gettleman deserves to be in the Poker Player Hall of Fame (along with A.J. Smith).
Get real. Suppose they think Barkley is the next OJ and will take our offense over the top ? Is that out of the question ? Trusting BG on this is all we can do.
Did I say it was out the question? Notice the word "if" at the top. Because it's also possible that they don't believe Barkley is the next OJ and prefer one of the QBs.
Or one of Nelson or Chubb. Many options IF this proposed trade ever happens. I'm still thinking Gettleman doesn't bite, stays at 2, and takes Barkley, or Darnold which is less likely as that is Dorsey's probable selection at 1.
We are still going to get a top prospect at QB / DE / OL at that spot.
Gettleman basically told you that we aren't drafting that guy if you carefully read his quote.
They asked him "Do you think Josh Rosen loves to play football" and he responded "He wants to play football".
Think about that
Its no much the player or his personality. Gettleman was probably answring the question politely, not dropping subtle hints like a seriel killer who secretly wants to get caught.
From NYG perspective, Rosen is medical risk. Yes, he's healthy now, but fair or unfair NYG is extremely hyper conservative atop the draft. They rule out anybody with noteworthy injury history or character questions (obviously the latter far more subjective).
THey passed on Gurley for Flowers and Tunsil for Apple under those pretenses.
We are still going to get a top prospect at QB / DE / OL at that spot.
Do the Giants really need to pick up a premium pick next year for that to be a positive move?
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I'll say it again.
Gettleman basically told you that we aren't drafting that guy if you carefully read his quote.
They asked him "Do you think Josh Rosen loves to play football" and he responded "He wants to play football".
Think about that
Its no much the player or his personality. Gettleman was probably answring the question politely, not dropping subtle hints like a seriel killer who secretly wants to get caught.
From NYG perspective, Rosen is medical risk. Yes, he's healthy now, but fair or unfair NYG is extremely hyper conservative atop the draft. They rule out anybody with noteworthy injury history or character questions (obviously the latter far more subjective).
THey passed on Gurley for Flowers and Tunsil for Apple under those pretenses.
So what are the chances a trade happens with Cleveland?
Exactly.
I would be thrilled with Darnold or Rosen but getting Rosen and picks would be a huge win IMO.
It's a risky proposition, but I agree.
Yup. To think , the Giants almost blew it by winning that meaningless game to end the year against the Skins. Thank God the Colts lost to the Texans that same week.
How great would it be to land your QB of the future on day 1 and start day 2 of the draft with the first three picks?
That would be awesome.
Chubb or Nelson and 33,34,35 is a win for the Giants.
2) The Giants want Barkley. The fact they aren't willing to trade back 2 spots tells me that they do not want to give him up to the Browns, because everyone knows that's who the Browns are taking if they move up to #2. I suspect both teams have read each other's cards: Browns want both Darnold and Barkley, Giants want Darnold and if he isn't there they are going Barkley.
2) The Giants want Barkley. The fact they aren't willing to trade back 2 spots tells me that they do not want to give him up to the Browns, because everyone knows that's who the Browns are taking if they move up to #2. I suspect both teams have read each other's cards: Browns want both Darnold and Barkley, Giants want Darnold and if he isn't there they are going Barkley.
I don't believe anyone knows who the Browns would take at two, let alone everyone knowing. It's probably Barkley but it's also very possible they like Chubb there to team with Garrett and fear the Giants might take him at two.
I think speaking in absolutes about any teams plans is just a waste of time.
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if it includes the 2 second rounders and a premium pick next year too.
We are still going to get a top prospect at QB / DE / OL at that spot.
Do the Giants really need to pick up a premium pick next year for that to be a positive move?
No, you'd probably be able to push for their 4th this year if you were really worried about value (although that would mean they're not picking for a while as they've no 3rd), but 33 (which is one of the more prized picks in the draft due to teams sitting on their board over night and may by itself be enough to get a 2019 1st) and 35 is really good haul.
Going into the 2nd year in the system, and presumably having signed Beckham, you conceivably have a 2nd year lineman, RB and corner primed to contribute.
The only way Manning succeeds and the team doesn't breakdown is a quick infusion of young cheap talent that contributes immediately.
"I wouldn’t want to drop that far [#12]. Problem is there really isn’t a QB-needy team that’d be looking to trade up between 5-10 (unless Elway is full of it). Maybe Cleveland trades up from 4 for Barkley?"
Chubb or Nelson and 33,34,35 is a win for the Giants.
Lets say:
Barkley vs Chubb +Isaiah Oliver+ Sony Michel