I got a old college friend of mine whose now a free lance scout and previously worked with the Rams staff during Jeff Fisher's run. He told me that he talked with a buddy of his whose a scout for the Browns and shared some of their conversation with me.
- Saquon Barkley is the top rated prospect by a good majority of their front office.
- No official trade offers have been exchanged but it was floated to the Giants that picks #33 and #35 would be available if the Giants moved down from 2 to 4. Which would allow them to draft Barkley and their top rated QB.
- Giants asked about the possibility to include Cleveland's 2019 first. Talks didn't go much further. Expectation is it will pick up more once both teams are on the clock.
My friend also said his Browns source didn't say this but he got the sense that Barkley would be the first pick, as they don't think the Giants would pass on him at 2nd overall.
I almost did not post this info I got from my friend, as being a long time member on BBI, I know how these asshat threads get shredded and torn apart. Take everything posted with a grain of salt and if you want to bash away, have at it...
Nelson/Chubb at four
You have the first three picks at the top of rd 2.
No brainer and a much better use of your assets then taking a RB at #2. I'm not against Barkley but this is a much better scenario.
That is just being greedy...two additional picks at the top of the second round would be awesome.
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2019 #1 seals the deal for the Giants.
That is just being greedy...two additional picks at the top of the second round would be awesome.
Why not try to pry more? Can't hurt to ask. Once the Giants are on the clock, we'll see how desperate the Browns get.
The first 3 picks in rd2 - take one of the Georgia RBs and then 2 OL (say Price and Wynn or Hernandez etc... whoever drops)
Or
Take Nelson at 4 then again a rb and more OL help with those 3 picks at the top of rd 2
Agreed. And thanks for the information.
Armchair GM's. Plus Pro Football Focus or whatever you call it has pretty charts and numbers.
That's what I would do. With 2 high seconds you could also trade back up into the 1st rd.
But, it's the Browns...
It would be best if the Giants could get the Browns 2019 1st too, even if it meant sending back a pick (3rd or 4th) b/c then if the Giants don't take a QB at #4 this year they'd have two first (possibly two high 1sts) to make a move to get one next year.
Well, Joey... teams with great RB's don't win Super Bowls, we should not draft him.
That's what I've been told.
What if the Jets take Darnold at 3?
Chubb/Nelson/Rosen + #33 and #35 > Darnold.
The Giants could use two of the #2s to trade back into the first round, although I would be reluctant to do so. Better to use the picks to build depth.
I don't see how Darnold gets out of the top 3. I think the only reason why we have heard so much about the Jets jumping on Rosen is because it is assumed that Darnold won't be available for them.
Chubb should be there at four and if we aren't sold on the QBs then Chubb vs Nelson in that spot (as in not at #2) becomes a very, very tough decision for me.
I don't think the Browns taking Barkley at first solidifies that its a good decision, do you?
It gives us 3 consecutive picks at the top of the 2nd round and we can still get a great player @ 4.
If the 2019 first is included it's a fucking no brainer.
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I'd make this move.
I don't see how Darnold gets out of the top 3. I think the only reason why we have heard so much about the Jets jumping on Rosen is because it is assumed that Darnold won't be available for them.
Chubb should be there at four and if we aren't sold on the QBs then Chubb vs Nelson in that spot (as in not at #2) becomes a very, very tough decision for me.
I'd probably take Chubb. And I'd probably take a Guard and Center at picks 33-35.
Giants 2018(#2)and Giants 2019 (2nd)
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Browns 2018(#4,#33,#35) and the Brown's 2019(1st)
I meant I don't think we're trading if Cleveland takes Barkley first. We'll just stay at #2 and take Darnold. If Cleveland takes Darnold first, maybe we'll trade down to four and grab Chubb plus those two second rounders. Perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part.
But, there is no way Cleveland goes Barkley #1, reagardless of how they have him ranked.
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What if the Jets take Darnold at 3?
I meant I don't think we're trading if Cleveland takes Barkley first. We'll just stay at #2 and take Darnold. If Cleveland takes Darnold first, maybe we'll trade down to four and grab Chubb plus those two second rounders. Perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part.
I'm pretty sure they will go with Darnold 1st. Dorsey was brought to select their next franchise QB.
Because the QB part of the equation is crucial for them, and if they take the QB they covet 1st, they risk us snaking Barkley.
If they take Barkley first and try to take their QB @ 4, there's a good chance that the Giants AND Jets are going to pull two of them off the board before they're back on the clock - which is a huge risk for them because they may lose the guy they want.
So - this guarantees them the QB they want and Barkley.
We are a shitty team with a lot of holes and having #4 overall + three consecutive picks to start round two would go a long way towards fixing this football team.
Having an additional first -- and Cleveland's at that, which based on recent history should be a high pick -- is more valuable than the extra second round pick this year. But if they are really going to offer picks #33, #35, and a first round pick next year I think DG jumps at that in a heartbeat.
Agreed. Anyone saying no to this is just not looking at the team as a whole. DG mentioned the idea (in general) yesterday by saying do you a grade set of an A and 4 c's or an A-, some B+'s, B and a couple of B-'s..
If we moved to 4 and Took Nelson (everything about our offense just got better), then grabbed a back , OL (G, C or T) and a LB or CB that is huge. Plus, we come back in RD 3 with 2 more picks...
But, there is no way Cleveland goes Barkley #1, reagardless of how they have him ranked.
Agreed. Darnold at 1, then DG can decide whether to deal the pick with the Browns, or take him themselves.
Because the QB part of the equation is crucial for them, and if they take the QB they covet 1st, they risk us snaking Barkley.
If they take Barkley first and try to take their QB @ 4, there's a good chance that the Giants AND Jets are going to pull two of them off the board before they're back on the clock - which is a huge risk for them because they may lose the guy they want.
So - this guarantees them the QB they want and Barkley.
We are a shitty team with a lot of holes and having #4 overall + three consecutive picks to start round two would go a long way towards fixing this football team.
Agreed. And if we can sneak a #2 from them next year (no way they give up a #1), we may have some more maneuvering power if we're high on anyone in next year's first round.
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I'd make this move.
I don't see how Darnold gets out of the top 3. I think the only reason why we have heard so much about the Jets jumping on Rosen is because it is assumed that Darnold won't be available for them.
Chubb should be there at four and if we aren't sold on the QBs then Chubb vs Nelson in that spot (as in not at #2) becomes a very, very tough decision for me.
Same here but I'd lean more towards Nelson at 4 because I think he's more of a sure thing who fits right in.
I'm sure they'd find a fit for Chubb but at this point we don't know how the D is going to look and be run. I'd hate to go the square peg round hole deal with Chubb, especially at such a high pick.
I'd still have much rather had Reggie White than all of them combined.
Why not. We don't know how close the Giants have the QBs ranked.
Especially #33 as teams have all night to work out the trade parameters. Inevitably, there is always some 1st round talent that slips and a team that has no shot at them will trade future draft assets to acquire the #33 pick.
We can trade #33 for a first next year, and still take players at #34 and #35. If we can pry a 2019 first from Clevland and the #33 and #35 pick, then we can potentially have 3 first round picks in 2019.
This would be a pretty good deal, especially if the Browns tell the Giants that they're going to pick a QB who the Giants don't favor. If the Browns want Allen and the Giants like Darnold and Rosen, that would be great. If the Giants only like one QB a lot, that's a big risk.
I'm all in on Darnold or Barkley, but you could do an awful lot with Chubb and those picks. Personally, if we missed out on Darnold/Barkley I would consider dealing the #4 and get out of this with a top 10 pick or just outside and a massive haul if we got a good enough offer. Going from 2 to 4 has us moving from one hot spot to another.
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teams are willing to spend every year to move up to those spots.
It would make for a hall of an interesting Friday.
I'm all in on Darnold or Barkley, but you could do an awful lot with Chubb and those picks. Personally, if we missed out on Darnold/Barkley I would consider dealing the #4 and get out of this with a top 10 pick or just outside and a massive haul if we got a good enough offer. Going from 2 to 4 has us moving from one hot spot to another.
Presuming CLE takes Darnold/Barkley
Presuming NYJ takes Mayfield
NYG could take Rosen/Allen/Chubb/Nelson and have three of their next 32 highest grades as well.
If they have high enough grades on their four top players they should definitely consider doing this.
If not, they could see about flipping with Buffalo. #4 for 12, 22, 53, 56, and 65.
That could be a monstrous draft - 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66... 9 of the first 66 picks, including your top three after day 1 and your top two after day 2.
I'd seriously consider that kind of trade.
It makes total sense for NYG to trade back only 2 spots and pick up 3 picks this year and at least a 2nd round pick next year. This draft is deep and having the first 3 picks of day 2 is a nice spot to be in. Also they have the option to move back into round 1 and still have a 2nd round pick.
We need quality and quantity.
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If not, they could see about flipping with Buffalo. #4 for 12, 22, 53, 56, and 65.
That could be a monstrous draft - 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66... 9 of the first 66 picks, including your top three after day 1 and your top two after day 2.
I'd seriously consider that kind of trade.
The only problem with such a haul would be paying them. Even with the rookie salary slotting of contracts, they still get paid a chunk. We only have $5M in cap space. Not sure how they can pay the rookies and pay OBJ to get him into camp.
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If not, they could see about flipping with Buffalo. #4 for 12, 22, 53, 56, and 65.
That could be a monstrous draft - 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66... 9 of the first 66 picks, including your top three after day 1 and your top two after day 2.
I'd seriously consider that kind of trade.
The only problem with such a haul would be paying them. Even with the rookie salary slotting of contracts, they still get paid a chunk. We only have $5M in cap space. Not sure how they can pay the rookies and pay OBJ to get him into camp.
We have 10M after the Marshall cut
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If not, they could see about flipping with Buffalo. #4 for 12, 22, 53, 56, and 65.
That could be a monstrous draft - 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66... 9 of the first 66 picks, including your top three after day 1 and your top two after day 2.
I'd seriously consider that kind of trade.
The only problem with such a haul would be paying them. Even with the rookie salary slotting of contracts, they still get paid a chunk. We only have $5M in cap space. Not sure how they can pay the rookies and pay OBJ to get him into camp.
and it would be tough to keep that many rookies on the roster, some would have to get cut just to get down to 53
they aren't really a pair of 2's when you look at it...its like we would have 3 comp picks in the 1st round LOL
Oh and the bonus, is if they DO get the trade, they have ALL night to look at EVERY other player left and decide which 3 they want. (if they haven't traded back into the first by then)
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That Barkley is being talked about 1st, RBs don't matter and he can't break tackles. Right BBI?
I don't think the Browns taking Barkley at first solidifies that its a good decision, do you?
Why wouldn't it be? I thought everyone's aversion to the Giants taking him at #2 was because it'd be over a QB. In this scenario, the Browns would get the #1 Player in the draft AND their choice of QB. How is that not a good decision?
Don't see Dorsey including their 2019 1st. They have Houston's to see how risky that is.
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Where the Giants can take someone like Rashan Gary.
Don't see Dorsey including their 2019 1st. They have Houston's to see how risky that is.
How about 33,35 the first pick of round 4 and next years 2nd round pick?
That will get it done IMO.
if its a 2019 1st its a no brainer. sit and think if its just 3 2nds....but this team does have alot of holes.
Possibilities: Take the remainder QB;draft Chubb or NelsoN with a more realistic value at 4; bait Denver or Buffalo maybe Miami or Az too into a crazy move up,
; Denver or Buffalo trades to get the 2 Cleveland shanghied from us, and likely other options.
Bottom line : DON'T GET CUTE!!!
NY Jets want a QB they get one. NYG wants Chubb or Nelson with Chubb probably ranked higher.
If you get picks 33,35 and a 4th rounder plus next years 2nd round pick, you do this trade as long as you believe Chubb is ranked higher than the QB's.
...Cleveland takes Saquon Barkley at #1.
That opens the entire field of QBs to Gettleman in a QB-rich Draft.
Best possible outcome!
Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, et. al.
He gets his pick of the litter.
P.E.R.F.E.C.T.
...at #2 is exactly what Gettleman wants Cleveland to think.
Gettleman is QB all the way at #2.
Has been from Day One.
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Where the Giants can take someone like Rashan Gary.
Don't see Dorsey including their 2019 1st. They have Houston's to see how risky that is.
How about 33,35 the first pick of round 4 and next years 2nd round pick?
That will get it done IMO.
Lol so a 4th rd pick is a must or you dont do it?
We could do a lot with that pile.
I guess holding out for next years # 1 would be smart though.. but that sure is enticing if true.
All kinds of former posters coming out of the woodwork, this is a big draft!
Welcome back, hope you are well.
Then what does it take for Gettleman to agree to forego what he believes is a likely future HOFer?
...at #2 is exactly what Gettleman wants Cleveland to think.
Gettleman is QB all the way at #2.
Has been from Day One.
I love posts like this.
Opinion stated as unequivocal fact.
There's absolutely no way of knowing this - yet I read posts like this constantly.
Chubb plus the first 3 of the 2nd is a better pick than a rb at 2
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...at #2 is exactly what Gettleman wants Cleveland to think.
Gettleman is QB all the way at #2.
Has been from Day One.
I love posts like this.
Opinion stated as unequivocal fact.
There's absolutely no way of knowing this - yet I read posts like this constantly.
My personal favorites were from micky, who at the end of the year would state AS FACT-
Ben McAdoo will be retained
Jerry Reese will be retained
No changes would be made
Stay the course
I’ve grown to enjoy micky as a poster, but his end of season posts were a riot.
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and sitting pretty at #2 with the knowledge they are guaranteed one of them (and assuming Gettleman believes they are the two most likely future HOFers in the draft)...
If you think the Browns are going to take Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks then you don't make the trade. But what if you're convinced the Browns want Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks and you're in love with Rosen and only Rosen? On top of that, you believe it's Mayfield or Allen that the Jets covet because Woody Johnson wants nothing to do with Rosen. Do you trust your intel, accept the trade, and cross your fingers that Rosen will be available to you at #4?
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and sitting pretty at #2 with the knowledge they are guaranteed one of them (and assuming Gettleman believes they are the two most likely future HOFers in the draft)...
If you think the Browns are going to take Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks then you don't make the trade. But what if you're convinced the Browns want Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks and you're in love with Rosen and only Rosen? On top of that, you believe it's Mayfield or Allen that the Jets covet because Woody Johnson wants nothing to do with Rosen. Do you trust your intel, accept the trade, and cross your fingers that Rosen will be available to you at #4?
I don't think you can make the trade based upon a guess of who goes at #3.
What I'm curious about is what is the value Gettleman places on a future HOFer? There are certain players who are invaluable ... For example, I wouldn't have given up the 1981 #2 position for the entirety of the rest of the 1981 draft.
But, presumably there is some amount of value that would force Gettleman to trade away this year's #2 even if he was personally convinced he was trading away a likely future HOFer. I'm just curious to know what that something would have to be.
Chubb plus the first 3 of the 2nd is a better pick than a rb at 2
man it sounds crazy but I would be tempted to move down from #4 with the bills at that point
Assuming we do that trade with the browns and they pick Darnold/Barkeyl with 1 and 2...then the jets take Mayfield with #3.
I would move #4 to the bills so they can pick Josh Allen in front of Denver and John Elway.
I know we would lose out on Chubb. But if we walked away with: 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66, and 69 we would walk away with 10 pick in the top 70. That is crazy.
And we could still grab someone like Davenport at #12 who I think fits to 3-4 outside pass rusher scheme much more than Chubb does. Then factor in all these additional picks.
We can basically fill all our holes with one draft.
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and sitting pretty at #2 with the knowledge they are guaranteed one of them (and assuming Gettleman believes they are the two most likely future HOFers in the draft)...
If you think the Browns are going to take Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks then you don't make the trade. But what if you're convinced the Browns want Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks and you're in love with Rosen and only Rosen? On top of that, you believe it's Mayfield or Allen that the Jets covet because Woody Johnson wants nothing to do with Rosen. Do you trust your intel, accept the trade, and cross your fingers that Rosen will be available to you at #4?
I don't think you can make the trade based upon a guess of who goes at #3.
What I'm curious about is what is the value Gettleman places on a future HOFer? There are certain players who are invaluable ... For example, I wouldn't have given up the 1981 #2 position for the entirety of the rest of the 1981 draft.
But, presumably there is some amount of value that would force Gettleman to trade away this year's #2 even if he was personally convinced he was trading away a likely future HOFer. I'm just curious to know what that something would have to be.
If gettlemen makes any decision because he's assuming he's getting a hall of famer he's a moron. The odds are slim to none
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Remote thrower. If the Browns take Darnold at 1 and we take Barkley instead of this deal, my remote will be thrown, stomped on, lit a blaze and then pissed on.
Chubb plus the first 3 of the 2nd is a better pick than a rb at 2
man it sounds crazy but I would be tempted to move down from #4 with the bills at that point
Assuming we do that trade with the browns and they pick Darnold/Barkeyl with 1 and 2...then the jets take Mayfield with #3.
I would move #4 to the bills so they can pick Josh Allen in front of Denver and John Elway.
I know we would lose out on Chubb. But if we walked away with: 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66, and 69 we would walk away with 10 pick in the top 70. That is crazy.
And we could still grab someone like Davenport at #12 who I think fits to 3-4 outside pass rusher scheme much more than Chubb does. Then factor in all these additional picks.
We can basically fill all our holes with one draft.
I wouldn't. You need to come away with at least one blue-chip prospect.
You stop at 4, 33, 34, 35 and a pick from Cleveland in next years draft ...
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and sitting pretty at #2 with the knowledge they are guaranteed one of them (and assuming Gettleman believes they are the two most likely future HOFers in the draft)...
If you think the Browns are going to take Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks then you don't make the trade. But what if you're convinced the Browns want Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks and you're in love with Rosen and only Rosen? On top of that, you believe it's Mayfield or Allen that the Jets covet because Woody Johnson wants nothing to do with Rosen. Do you trust your intel, accept the trade, and cross your fingers that Rosen will be available to you at #4?
I don't think you can make the trade based upon a guess of who goes at #3.
What I'm curious about is what is the value Gettleman places on a future HOFer? There are certain players who are invaluable ... For example, I wouldn't have given up the 1981 #2 position for the entirety of the rest of the 1981 draft.
But, presumably there is some amount of value that would force Gettleman to trade away this year's #2 even if he was personally convinced he was trading away a likely future HOFer. I'm just curious to know what that something would have to be.
If gettlemen makes any decision because he's assuming he's getting a hall of famer he's a moron. The odds are slim to none
I'm using his words. He's not making an assumption. He says that you only take a player at #2 that would be worth the #2 pick in any draft in history (i.e. you can't reach). And he said that you draft the player whom you believe most likely to be the future HOFer in this draft. All that means is: take the very best player in the draft. Duh.
...at #2 is exactly what Gettleman wants Cleveland to think.
Gettleman is QB all the way at #2.
Has been from Day One.
Your opinion.
Then again, burning their first overall pick in the 3rd round on a QB soon to be cut anyway who is most likely going to start 8 games for them before handing over to their rookie and then becomes a FA this offseason... made not bit of fucking sense either.
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and sitting pretty at #2 with the knowledge they are guaranteed one of them (and assuming Gettleman believes they are the two most likely future HOFers in the draft)...
If you think the Browns are going to take Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks then you don't make the trade. But what if you're convinced the Browns want Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks and you're in love with Rosen and only Rosen? On top of that, you believe it's Mayfield or Allen that the Jets covet because Woody Johnson wants nothing to do with Rosen. Do you trust your intel, accept the trade, and cross your fingers that Rosen will be available to you at #4?
Rosen doesn't make or break that deal. You still can be assured of getting one of Rosen, Chubb, Mayfield or Nelson at 4.
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and sitting pretty at #2 with the knowledge they are guaranteed one of them (and assuming Gettleman believes they are the two most likely future HOFers in the draft)...
If you think the Browns are going to take Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks then you don't make the trade. But what if you're convinced the Browns want Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks and you're in love with Rosen and only Rosen? On top of that, you believe it's Mayfield or Allen that the Jets covet because Woody Johnson wants nothing to do with Rosen. Do you trust your intel, accept the trade, and cross your fingers that Rosen will be available to you at #4?
Otherwise if you get the first three picks on day two you're able to get three first round value players and you have A whole day to reset your board. Hell you even have enough ammo to trade into the middle of the first round
Lots to do
Otherwise if you get the first three picks on day two you're able to get three first round value players and you have A whole day to reset your board. Hell you even have enough ammo to trade into the middle of the first round
Lots to do
It's just that easy (sarcasm).
Got to get the first rounder next season since we would potentially be forgoing the QB of our choice.
Didnt read posts above but anybody thinking that 2 second rounders is enough is being taken...
Got to get the first rounder next season since we would potentially be forgoing the QB of our choice.
Didnt read posts above but anybody thinking that 2 second rounders is enough is being taken...
Really bad logic
Got to get the first rounder next season since we would potentially be forgoing the QB of our choice.
Didnt read posts above but anybody thinking that 2 second rounders is enough is being taken...
Depends on how the Giants rank the QB's, as they would still be assured of having 2 of the top four with the 4th pick assuming they wanted to go QB at that spot.
We could be looking at several rookies playing an integral part in the year if we are to be successful.
I think the Giants are going QB. DG said something interesting yesterday, "I dont want players who love football, I want players who hate to lose"
When asked about Rosen he said "He loves football" slip of the tongue...lol
His opening statement seemed to say QB.
He doesnt need this QB class to be 83, he just needs the one he picks to be good. I think he is talking up Barkley to push someone to either trade up or the Browns to take him. He basically said he was the best player in the draft.
The downside, moving down of 2 spots would mean you miss out on Barkley and 2 QBs.
In the end, my bet is Gettleman doesn't move off of #2. He's just too old school to suddenly be a wheeler and dealer of picks.
This trade scenario wouldn't surprise me in the least
This trade scenario wouldn't surprise me in the least
Exactly
Chubb plus the first 3 of the 2nd is a better pick than a rb at 2
We could be looking at several rookies playing an integral part in the year if we are to be successful.
When asked about Rosen he said "He loves football" slip of the tongue...lol
I would be thrilled with Darnold or Rosen but getting Rosen and picks would be a huge win IMO.
I think the Giants are going QB. DG said something interesting yesterday, "I dont want players who love football, I want players who hate to lose"
But, hey, anytime you can twist something so that it supports the anti-Rosen narrative I'm sure you'll have plenty of people nodding their heads in agreement.
Then again, burning their first overall pick in the 3rd round on a QB soon to be cut anyway who is most likely going to start 8 games for them before handing over to their rookie and then becomes a FA this offseason... made not bit of fucking sense either.
I barely even count Duke as a RB - they use him as a WR probably more than they use him as a RB. He ran the ball 82 times total this year but caught 74 passes.
He's usually in the slot or running routes out of the backfield.
No thank you
No thank you
We'd still have the 4th overall pick.
It's not like we would be relinquishing the opportunity to draft a top 5 player in this draft or get an elite talent.
It's moving down 2 spots and gaining two 2nd round picks in the process. This team has lots of holes - those 3 consecutive 2nd rd picks could be HUGE for us.
Odds are probably better that the guy they want won't be the best one in the draft. I think it's going to be Allen or Darnold if they go QB @ 1 and both of those guys have their own red flags.
Beyond that - it's the fucking Browns. Who cares what we "allow" them to do if it makes our team better? They're an AFC team and have virtually zero impact on us.
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wants to re-energize their fan base by picking the best QB (Allen/Darnold/?) and top RB in the draft (Barkley).
This trade scenario wouldn't surprise me in the least
Exactly
Was just saying to myself that if the Giants are asking for the moon, and the Browns have Allen and Darnold ranked very closely, they might give the nod to Allen thinking that the Giants jump at Darnold, giving them their perfect result with the 1 and 4.
This is all very interesting. Giants in the drivers seat here. I honestly think that the Barkley love is all a smoke screen to get the Browns to either take him at one, trade up to two or take Allen first and hoping the Giants jump at their fave qb at 2 leaving them Saquon after the Jets take a QB.
Good stuff.
My three picks would be:
OT Williams, OG Hernandez/Corbett/Wynn, and C Price/Daniels.
Haha three straight picks of Hog Mollies and all of a sudden our OL is set for 4-5 years. Plus we'd have Bradley Chubb. Would be consistent with Gettleman's pledge to build in the trenches.
Nick Chubb might also slip to the 3rd round.
I don’t have their draft board but if moving down costs me the only QB I like then I want a chance to get one next year. Hence the first rounder in 2019 to move up.
Junior...
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If you can end up with 4, 33, 34, 35 and a pick from Cleveland in next years draft (a 1 or 2), then you almost have to take that deal. You can still take a QB at 4, or Nelson, or Chubb. Then three 2’s, two 3’s... that’s potentially 5 key players and 1 all pro/blue chip type. How about getting 12, 22 and more for 4? Talk abou flippin’ your 2nd overall pick... this is all a fairy tale IMO thanks for sharing but I don’t believe it has any real legs.. hopefully hitdog will shed some light early next week before draft day.
You stop at 4, 33, 34, 35 and a pick from Cleveland in next years draft ...
Agreed.
I don’t have their draft board but if moving down costs me the only QB I like then I want a chance to get one next year. Hence the first rounder in 2019 to move up.
Junior...
Googs being his typical meatball self. Last night you defend your fellow dip shit firedbytheboss citing BBI meanies who obliterate stupid posts. Now, you are using "chucklehead" (wtf does that even mean?) and "junior" as your put downs. This after telling me "your mother wears army boots" a few months back.
Guess what? Pinky rings and velour sweat pants WERE cool in the Sopranos....meatball.
I would 100% do this....BUT i am not taking nelson or chubb
lets say
Browns-Allen
Browns-Barkley
Jets-Darnold
I take rosen
lets say
Browns-Darnold
Browns-Barkley
Jets-Mayfield
I take rosen
lets say
Browns-Darnold
Browns-Barkley
Jets-Rosen
This is probably the only situation where I am taking nelson or chubb
Barkley
Allen
Rosen
And you still get Darnold
How great would it be to land your QB of the future on day 1 and start day 2 of the draft with the first three picks?
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Remote thrower. If the Browns take Darnold at 1 and we take Barkley instead of this deal, my remote will be thrown, stomped on, lit a blaze and then pissed on.
Chubb plus the first 3 of the 2nd is a better pick than a rb at 2
man it sounds crazy but I would be tempted to move down from #4 with the bills at that point
Assuming we do that trade with the browns and they pick Darnold/Barkeyl with 1 and 2...then the jets take Mayfield with #3.
I would move #4 to the bills so they can pick Josh Allen in front of Denver and John Elway.
I know we would lose out on Chubb. But if we walked away with: 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66, and 69 we would walk away with 10 pick in the top 70. That is crazy.
And we could still grab someone like Davenport at #12 who I think fits to 3-4 outside pass rusher scheme much more than Chubb does. Then factor in all these additional picks.
We can basically fill all our holes with one draft.
Right now I want to trade down with the Bills. The entertainment value alone of that many picks would be worth it.
Damn... I don't want to do it and I think I'd almost have to pull the trigger on that trade.
Gettleman basically told you that we aren't drafting that guy if you carefully read his quote.
They asked him "Do you think Josh Rosen loves to play football" and he responded "He wants to play football".
Think about that
But I agree with your assessment not when
He said...he does not want players that love to play football.....he want players that hate to lose
Gettleman basically told you that we aren't drafting that guy if you carefully read his quote.
They asked him "Do you think Josh Rosen loves to play football" and he responded "He wants to play football".
Think about that
That wasn’t the question. The full question and answer was
Q: One of the things that you need from a player is that they have to love football. There are reports that Josh Rosen maybe lacks a desire to play the game. You met with him. What was your impression of him?
A: He wants to play football. He came off as bright, insightful and he wants to play football.
If you listen to the interview, Gettlemen was answering the question about his desire and he emphatically says he wants to play football. I don’t know why people keep twisting it to fit their narrative. Rosen isn’t even a player I’m excited about them drafting but if you’re gonna repeat the quote ad nauseam, at least use the actual quote.
Almost wish this info isn’t true....getting my hopes up
Gettleman basically told you that we aren't drafting that guy if you carefully read his quote.
They asked him "Do you think Josh Rosen loves to play football" and he responded "He wants to play football".
Think about that
I think you need to think about what he said again...
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...and still come away with the highest graded player on their board, Gettleman deserves to be in the Poker Player Hall of Fame (along with A.J. Smith).
Get real. Suppose they think Barkley is the next OJ and will take our offense over the top ? Is that out of the question ? Trusting BG on this is all we can do.
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...and still come away with the highest graded player on their board, Gettleman deserves to be in the Poker Player Hall of Fame (along with A.J. Smith).
Get real. Suppose they think Barkley is the next OJ and will take our offense over the top ? Is that out of the question ? Trusting BG on this is all we can do.
Did I say it was out the question? Notice the word "if" at the top. Because it's also possible that they don't believe Barkley is the next OJ and prefer one of the QBs.
Or one of Nelson or Chubb. Many options IF this proposed trade ever happens. I'm still thinking Gettleman doesn't bite, stays at 2, and takes Barkley, or Darnold which is less likely as that is Dorsey's probable selection at 1.
We are still going to get a top prospect at QB / DE / OL at that spot.
Gettleman basically told you that we aren't drafting that guy if you carefully read his quote.
They asked him "Do you think Josh Rosen loves to play football" and he responded "He wants to play football".
Think about that
Its no much the player or his personality. Gettleman was probably answring the question politely, not dropping subtle hints like a seriel killer who secretly wants to get caught.
From NYG perspective, Rosen is medical risk. Yes, he's healthy now, but fair or unfair NYG is extremely hyper conservative atop the draft. They rule out anybody with noteworthy injury history or character questions (obviously the latter far more subjective).
THey passed on Gurley for Flowers and Tunsil for Apple under those pretenses.
We are still going to get a top prospect at QB / DE / OL at that spot.
Do the Giants really need to pick up a premium pick next year for that to be a positive move?
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I'll say it again.
Gettleman basically told you that we aren't drafting that guy if you carefully read his quote.
They asked him "Do you think Josh Rosen loves to play football" and he responded "He wants to play football".
Think about that
Its no much the player or his personality. Gettleman was probably answring the question politely, not dropping subtle hints like a seriel killer who secretly wants to get caught.
From NYG perspective, Rosen is medical risk. Yes, he's healthy now, but fair or unfair NYG is extremely hyper conservative atop the draft. They rule out anybody with noteworthy injury history or character questions (obviously the latter far more subjective).
THey passed on Gurley for Flowers and Tunsil for Apple under those pretenses.
So what are the chances a trade happens with Cleveland?
Exactly.
I would be thrilled with Darnold or Rosen but getting Rosen and picks would be a huge win IMO.
It's a risky proposition, but I agree.
Yup. To think , the Giants almost blew it by winning that meaningless game to end the year against the Skins. Thank God the Colts lost to the Texans that same week.
How great would it be to land your QB of the future on day 1 and start day 2 of the draft with the first three picks?
That would be awesome.
Chubb or Nelson and 33,34,35 is a win for the Giants.
2) The Giants want Barkley. The fact they aren't willing to trade back 2 spots tells me that they do not want to give him up to the Browns, because everyone knows that's who the Browns are taking if they move up to #2. I suspect both teams have read each other's cards: Browns want both Darnold and Barkley, Giants want Darnold and if he isn't there they are going Barkley.
2) The Giants want Barkley. The fact they aren't willing to trade back 2 spots tells me that they do not want to give him up to the Browns, because everyone knows that's who the Browns are taking if they move up to #2. I suspect both teams have read each other's cards: Browns want both Darnold and Barkley, Giants want Darnold and if he isn't there they are going Barkley.
I don't believe anyone knows who the Browns would take at two, let alone everyone knowing. It's probably Barkley but it's also very possible they like Chubb there to team with Garrett and fear the Giants might take him at two.
I think speaking in absolutes about any teams plans is just a waste of time.
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if it includes the 2 second rounders and a premium pick next year too.
We are still going to get a top prospect at QB / DE / OL at that spot.
Do the Giants really need to pick up a premium pick next year for that to be a positive move?
No, you'd probably be able to push for their 4th this year if you were really worried about value (although that would mean they're not picking for a while as they've no 3rd), but 33 (which is one of the more prized picks in the draft due to teams sitting on their board over night and may by itself be enough to get a 2019 1st) and 35 is really good haul.
Going into the 2nd year in the system, and presumably having signed Beckham, you conceivably have a 2nd year lineman, RB and corner primed to contribute.
The only way Manning succeeds and the team doesn't breakdown is a quick infusion of young cheap talent that contributes immediately.
"I wouldn’t want to drop that far [#12]. Problem is there really isn’t a QB-needy team that’d be looking to trade up between 5-10 (unless Elway is full of it). Maybe Cleveland trades up from 4 for Barkley?"
Chubb or Nelson and 33,34,35 is a win for the Giants.
Lets say:
Barkley vs Chubb +Isaiah Oliver+ Sony Michel