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NYG27 : 4/20/2018 12:01 pm
I got a old college friend of mine whose now a free lance scout and previously worked with the Rams staff during Jeff Fisher's run. He told me that he talked with a buddy of his whose a scout for the Browns and shared some of their conversation with me.

- Saquon Barkley is the top rated prospect by a good majority of their front office.

- No official trade offers have been exchanged but it was floated to the Giants that picks #33 and #35 would be available if the Giants moved down from 2 to 4. Which would allow them to draft Barkley and their top rated QB.

- Giants asked about the possibility to include Cleveland's 2019 first. Talks didn't go much further. Expectation is it will pick up more once both teams are on the clock.

My friend also said his Browns source didn't say this but he got the sense that Barkley would be the first pick, as they don't think the Giants would pass on him at 2nd overall.

I almost did not post this info I got from my friend, as being a long time member on BBI, I know how these asshat threads get shredded and torn apart. Take everything posted with a grain of salt and if you want to bash away, have at it...
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if this is true  
QB Snacks : 4/20/2018 12:02 pm : link
the giants should take that deal and run.

Nelson/Chubb at four

You have the first three picks at the top of rd 2.

No brainer and a much better use of your assets then taking a RB at #2. I'm not against Barkley but this is a much better scenario.
i think browns  
sshin05 : 4/20/2018 12:03 pm : link
2019 #1 seals the deal for the Giants.
take it  
AnnapolisMike : 4/20/2018 12:04 pm : link
I would take that if your plan was to not draft Barkley anyway.
Great info  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/20/2018 12:04 pm : link
and makes sense. Thanks for posting.
if NYG prefers Chubb  
JonC : 4/20/2018 12:05 pm : link
make the deal, a pair of #2's will suffice.
RE: i think browns  
AnnapolisMike : 4/20/2018 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13922631 sshin05 said:
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2019 #1 seals the deal for the Giants.


That is just being greedy...two additional picks at the top of the second round would be awesome.
depends on who the browns take at 1  
jintz4life : 4/20/2018 12:06 pm : link
if its allen do the deal, if not i'd pass
RE: RE: i think browns  
sshin05 : 4/20/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13922637 AnnapolisMike said:
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In comment 13922631 sshin05 said:


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2019 #1 seals the deal for the Giants.



That is just being greedy...two additional picks at the top of the second round would be awesome.


Why not try to pry more? Can't hurt to ask. Once the Giants are on the clock, we'll see how desperate the Browns get.
I'll take the Browns #1 in 2019  
SHO'NUFF : 4/20/2018 12:07 pm : link
and if Barkley is gone, I'm all for trading down from #4 for more picks
I would love next year’s 1st  
The 12th Man : 4/20/2018 12:08 pm : link
Do not see that happening. I think they have to throw in a 3rd too.
From this info  
sshin05 : 4/20/2018 12:09 pm : link
Barkley is more likely going #1 regardless if this trade happens.
I say fuck Cleveland.  
bceagle05 : 4/20/2018 12:09 pm : link
Stay put and Darnold may fall right into our lap.
nice info..  
Amtoft : 4/20/2018 12:09 pm : link
don't worry about what people say. They are just words brother!
I'd take that deal  
jeff57 : 4/20/2018 12:09 pm : link
35 and 35. And then grab Rosen, Darnold or Allen at 4.
Boy you could really rebuild the OL  
GiantsRage2007 : 4/20/2018 12:09 pm : link
Say you took Chubb at 4

The first 3 picks in rd2 - take one of the Georgia RBs and then 2 OL (say Price and Wynn or Hernandez etc... whoever drops)

Or

Take Nelson at 4 then again a rb and more OL help with those 3 picks at the top of rd 2
RE: if NYG prefers Chubb  
AcidTest : 4/20/2018 12:10 pm : link
In comment 13922636 JonC said:
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make the deal, a pair of #2's will suffice.


Agreed. And thanks for the information.
Oh, and thanks for sharing!  
bceagle05 : 4/20/2018 12:10 pm : link
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Shocking  
Joey in VA : 4/20/2018 12:10 pm : link
That Barkley is being talked about 1st, RBs don't matter and he can't break tackles. Right BBI?
Ask them for next years 1 and one of their 2 second rounders this year  
mfsd : 4/20/2018 12:12 pm : link
Reasonable chance their pick next year would be top ten again.
RE: Shocking  
Brown Recluse : 4/20/2018 12:12 pm : link
In comment 13922653 Joey in VA said:
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That Barkley is being talked about 1st, RBs don't matter and he can't break tackles. Right BBI?


Armchair GM's. Plus Pro Football Focus or whatever you call it has pretty charts and numbers.
as mentioned a few weeks ago  
JonC : 4/20/2018 12:12 pm : link
the early speculation was the Browns wanted SB and their QB of choice, with SB as the top guy. So, the wondering here on BBI is likely on target, they're trying to secure SB ahead of the QB.
RE: I'd take that deal  
GFAN52 : 4/20/2018 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13922649 jeff57 said:
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35 and 35. And then grab Rosen, Darnold or Allen at 4.


That's what I would do. With 2 high seconds you could also trade back up into the 1st rd.
RE: Shocking  
SHO'NUFF : 4/20/2018 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13922653 Joey in VA said:
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That Barkley is being talked about 1st, RBs don't matter and he can't break tackles. Right BBI?


But, it's the Browns...
I'm not an expert on the players  
pjcas18 : 4/20/2018 12:14 pm : link
like most of you, but it would be pretty cool to have picks 33, 34, and 35. Has that ever happened a team had 3 consecutive 2nd round picks?

It would be best if the Giants could get the Browns 2019 1st too, even if it meant sending back a pick (3rd or 4th) b/c then if the Giants don't take a QB at #4 this year they'd have two first (possibly two high 1sts) to make a move to get one next year.

That would give us the first 3 picks on Day 2  
AcesUp : 4/20/2018 12:14 pm : link
Which would be pretty cool. Chubb + 5 more top 70 picks. Probably the best case if they don't like the QBs available.
RE: Shocking  
arcarsenal : 4/20/2018 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13922653 Joey in VA said:
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That Barkley is being talked about 1st, RBs don't matter and he can't break tackles. Right BBI?


Well, Joey... teams with great RB's don't win Super Bowls, we should not draft him.

That's what I've been told.
As in any scenario,  
SHO'NUFF : 4/20/2018 12:15 pm : link
the Giants can wait it out and see who Cleveland picks #1, unless they disclose it to us prior.
I'd consider that deal as well  
Brown Recluse : 4/20/2018 12:15 pm : link
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Yeah...  
BamaBlue : 4/20/2018 12:15 pm : link
it's the Browns.

Also  
AcesUp : 4/20/2018 12:16 pm : link
A lot of potentialto flip one of those 2nd rounders as well (2019 first+) as they'll be in high demand starting the 2nd day.
owning picks 33-35 would be massive  
JonC : 4/20/2018 12:17 pm : link
teams are willing to spend every year to move up to those spots.
DG's Pressure  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 4/20/2018 12:18 pm : link
I want Barkley but DG's comments yesterday may be enough to entice the Browns take him #1. As noted every where, the NYG prizes are Darnold and Barkley in that order.
The 2nd round picks could be used to trade up  
ghost718 : 4/20/2018 12:18 pm : link
If you find the right team,maybe higher than people think
or NYG could possibly move up  
JonC : 4/20/2018 12:19 pm : link
for a target.
Unless I am sold on a particular QB  
chuckydee9 : 4/20/2018 12:19 pm : link
I would take their 2 2nd rounders and the 4th pick and run as fast as possible.. this gives us the ability to get either Rosen or Mayfield (whoever is left) or Nelson and then get 2 solid players in the second round.. Barkley isn't worth Nelson, price and Guise
I agree Gettleman wants Cleveland to take Barkley (or Allen).  
bceagle05 : 4/20/2018 12:20 pm : link
I think Darnold is our target.
RE: I agree Gettleman wants Cleveland to take Barkley (or Allen).  
Anakim : 4/20/2018 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13922674 bceagle05 said:
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I think Darnold is our target.


What if the Jets take Darnold at 3?
If they can get Darnold or Chubb at #4  
NorwoodWideRight : 4/20/2018 12:21 pm : link
I'd make this move.
That  
AcidTest : 4/20/2018 12:22 pm : link
would be a great deal:

Chubb/Nelson/Rosen + #33 and #35 > Darnold.

The Giants could use two of the #2s to trade back into the first round, although I would be reluctant to do so. Better to use the picks to build depth.
Ok, we are being way to nice to NYG27  
PatersonPlank : 4/20/2018 12:22 pm : link
Asshats are supposed to be flogged and burned here :)
RE: If they can get Darnold or Chubb at #4  
GiantFilthy : 4/20/2018 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13922676 NorwoodWideRight said:
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I'd make this move.

I don't see how Darnold gets out of the top 3. I think the only reason why we have heard so much about the Jets jumping on Rosen is because it is assumed that Darnold won't be available for them.

Chubb should be there at four and if we aren't sold on the QBs then Chubb vs Nelson in that spot (as in not at #2) becomes a very, very tough decision for me.
RE: Shocking  
Keith : 4/20/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13922653 Joey in VA said:
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That Barkley is being talked about 1st, RBs don't matter and he can't break tackles. Right BBI?


I don't think the Browns taking Barkley at first solidifies that its a good decision, do you?
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arcarsenal : 4/20/2018 12:25 pm : link
Anyway - even without the 2019 first rounder, it's a very tempting deal.

It gives us 3 consecutive picks at the top of the 2nd round and we can still get a great player @ 4.

If the 2019 first is included it's a fucking no brainer.
This would be ideal,  
Keith : 4/20/2018 12:25 pm : link
but I'm guessing it can only happen if the Browns take Barkley first. Obviously we need to ask for 2019 1st, but I'd take 33, 35 and next years 2nd plus some later picks too. Then at 4, we can possibly drop back a little more and accumulate more picks or take the QB we love.
RE: RE: If they can get Darnold or Chubb at #4  
Brown Recluse : 4/20/2018 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13922681 GiantFilthy said:
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In comment 13922676 NorwoodWideRight said:


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I'd make this move.


I don't see how Darnold gets out of the top 3. I think the only reason why we have heard so much about the Jets jumping on Rosen is because it is assumed that Darnold won't be available for them.

Chubb should be there at four and if we aren't sold on the QBs then Chubb vs Nelson in that spot (as in not at #2) becomes a very, very tough decision for me.


I'd probably take Chubb. And I'd probably take a Guard and Center at picks 33-35.
If it's Darnold, they stay at #2  
JonC : 4/20/2018 12:26 pm : link
a trade down to #4 means it's probably Chubb.
This matches my asshat  
1st and 10 : 4/20/2018 12:26 pm : link
Info on my thread the other day.
Make the deal  
Archer : 4/20/2018 12:27 pm : link
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Giants 2018(#2)and Giants 2019 (2nd)
for
Browns 2018(#4,#33,#35) and the Brown's 2019(1st)
If you can't get their 2019 1st rd pick  
montanagiant : 4/20/2018 12:27 pm : link
Do it for the two 2nd rd picks this year and next years 2nd rd pick
This  
Jon in NYC : 4/20/2018 12:27 pm : link
probably costs us Darnold. If they really like him, then I'd pass. If they aren't gaga over him, then it's a no brainer
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