I got a old college friend of mine whose now a free lance scout and previously worked with the Rams staff during Jeff Fisher's run. He told me that he talked with a buddy of his whose a scout for the Browns and shared some of their conversation with me.
- Saquon Barkley is the top rated prospect by a good majority of their front office.
- No official trade offers have been exchanged but it was floated to the Giants that picks #33 and #35 would be available if the Giants moved down from 2 to 4. Which would allow them to draft Barkley and their top rated QB.
- Giants asked about the possibility to include Cleveland's 2019 first. Talks didn't go much further. Expectation is it will pick up more once both teams are on the clock.
My friend also said his Browns source didn't say this but he got the sense that Barkley would be the first pick, as they don't think the Giants would pass on him at 2nd overall.
I almost did not post this info I got from my friend, as being a long time member on BBI, I know how these asshat threads get shredded and torn apart. Take everything posted with a grain of salt and if you want to bash away, have at it...
I meant I don't think we're trading if Cleveland takes Barkley first. We'll just stay at #2 and take Darnold. If Cleveland takes Darnold first, maybe we'll trade down to four and grab Chubb plus those two second rounders. Perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part.
But, there is no way Cleveland goes Barkley #1, reagardless of how they have him ranked.
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What if the Jets take Darnold at 3?
I meant I don't think we're trading if Cleveland takes Barkley first. We'll just stay at #2 and take Darnold. If Cleveland takes Darnold first, maybe we'll trade down to four and grab Chubb plus those two second rounders. Perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part.
I'm pretty sure they will go with Darnold 1st. Dorsey was brought to select their next franchise QB.
Because the QB part of the equation is crucial for them, and if they take the QB they covet 1st, they risk us snaking Barkley.
If they take Barkley first and try to take their QB @ 4, there's a good chance that the Giants AND Jets are going to pull two of them off the board before they're back on the clock - which is a huge risk for them because they may lose the guy they want.
So - this guarantees them the QB they want and Barkley.
We are a shitty team with a lot of holes and having #4 overall + three consecutive picks to start round two would go a long way towards fixing this football team.
Having an additional first -- and Cleveland's at that, which based on recent history should be a high pick -- is more valuable than the extra second round pick this year. But if they are really going to offer picks #33, #35, and a first round pick next year I think DG jumps at that in a heartbeat.
Agreed. Anyone saying no to this is just not looking at the team as a whole. DG mentioned the idea (in general) yesterday by saying do you a grade set of an A and 4 c's or an A-, some B+'s, B and a couple of B-'s..
If we moved to 4 and Took Nelson (everything about our offense just got better), then grabbed a back , OL (G, C or T) and a LB or CB that is huge. Plus, we come back in RD 3 with 2 more picks...
But, there is no way Cleveland goes Barkley #1, reagardless of how they have him ranked.
Agreed. Darnold at 1, then DG can decide whether to deal the pick with the Browns, or take him themselves.
Because the QB part of the equation is crucial for them, and if they take the QB they covet 1st, they risk us snaking Barkley.
If they take Barkley first and try to take their QB @ 4, there's a good chance that the Giants AND Jets are going to pull two of them off the board before they're back on the clock - which is a huge risk for them because they may lose the guy they want.
So - this guarantees them the QB they want and Barkley.
We are a shitty team with a lot of holes and having #4 overall + three consecutive picks to start round two would go a long way towards fixing this football team.
Agreed. And if we can sneak a #2 from them next year (no way they give up a #1), we may have some more maneuvering power if we're high on anyone in next year's first round.
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I'd make this move.
I don't see how Darnold gets out of the top 3. I think the only reason why we have heard so much about the Jets jumping on Rosen is because it is assumed that Darnold won't be available for them.
Chubb should be there at four and if we aren't sold on the QBs then Chubb vs Nelson in that spot (as in not at #2) becomes a very, very tough decision for me.
Same here but I'd lean more towards Nelson at 4 because I think he's more of a sure thing who fits right in.
I'm sure they'd find a fit for Chubb but at this point we don't know how the D is going to look and be run. I'd hate to go the square peg round hole deal with Chubb, especially at such a high pick.
I'd still have much rather had Reggie White than all of them combined.
Why not. We don't know how close the Giants have the QBs ranked.
Especially #33 as teams have all night to work out the trade parameters. Inevitably, there is always some 1st round talent that slips and a team that has no shot at them will trade future draft assets to acquire the #33 pick.
We can trade #33 for a first next year, and still take players at #34 and #35. If we can pry a 2019 first from Clevland and the #33 and #35 pick, then we can potentially have 3 first round picks in 2019.
This would be a pretty good deal, especially if the Browns tell the Giants that they're going to pick a QB who the Giants don't favor. If the Browns want Allen and the Giants like Darnold and Rosen, that would be great. If the Giants only like one QB a lot, that's a big risk.
I'm all in on Darnold or Barkley, but you could do an awful lot with Chubb and those picks. Personally, if we missed out on Darnold/Barkley I would consider dealing the #4 and get out of this with a top 10 pick or just outside and a massive haul if we got a good enough offer. Going from 2 to 4 has us moving from one hot spot to another.
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teams are willing to spend every year to move up to those spots.
It would make for a hall of an interesting Friday.
I'm all in on Darnold or Barkley, but you could do an awful lot with Chubb and those picks. Personally, if we missed out on Darnold/Barkley I would consider dealing the #4 and get out of this with a top 10 pick or just outside and a massive haul if we got a good enough offer. Going from 2 to 4 has us moving from one hot spot to another.
Presuming CLE takes Darnold/Barkley
Presuming NYJ takes Mayfield
NYG could take Rosen/Allen/Chubb/Nelson and have three of their next 32 highest grades as well.
If they have high enough grades on their four top players they should definitely consider doing this.
If not, they could see about flipping with Buffalo. #4 for 12, 22, 53, 56, and 65.
That could be a monstrous draft - 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66... 9 of the first 66 picks, including your top three after day 1 and your top two after day 2.
I'd seriously consider that kind of trade.
It makes total sense for NYG to trade back only 2 spots and pick up 3 picks this year and at least a 2nd round pick next year. This draft is deep and having the first 3 picks of day 2 is a nice spot to be in. Also they have the option to move back into round 1 and still have a 2nd round pick.
We need quality and quantity.
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If not, they could see about flipping with Buffalo. #4 for 12, 22, 53, 56, and 65.
That could be a monstrous draft - 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66... 9 of the first 66 picks, including your top three after day 1 and your top two after day 2.
I'd seriously consider that kind of trade.
The only problem with such a haul would be paying them. Even with the rookie salary slotting of contracts, they still get paid a chunk. We only have $5M in cap space. Not sure how they can pay the rookies and pay OBJ to get him into camp.
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If not, they could see about flipping with Buffalo. #4 for 12, 22, 53, 56, and 65.
That could be a monstrous draft - 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66... 9 of the first 66 picks, including your top three after day 1 and your top two after day 2.
I'd seriously consider that kind of trade.
The only problem with such a haul would be paying them. Even with the rookie salary slotting of contracts, they still get paid a chunk. We only have $5M in cap space. Not sure how they can pay the rookies and pay OBJ to get him into camp.
We have 10M after the Marshall cut
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If not, they could see about flipping with Buffalo. #4 for 12, 22, 53, 56, and 65.
That could be a monstrous draft - 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66... 9 of the first 66 picks, including your top three after day 1 and your top two after day 2.
I'd seriously consider that kind of trade.
The only problem with such a haul would be paying them. Even with the rookie salary slotting of contracts, they still get paid a chunk. We only have $5M in cap space. Not sure how they can pay the rookies and pay OBJ to get him into camp.
and it would be tough to keep that many rookies on the roster, some would have to get cut just to get down to 53
they aren't really a pair of 2's when you look at it...its like we would have 3 comp picks in the 1st round LOL
Oh and the bonus, is if they DO get the trade, they have ALL night to look at EVERY other player left and decide which 3 they want. (if they haven't traded back into the first by then)
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That Barkley is being talked about 1st, RBs don't matter and he can't break tackles. Right BBI?
I don't think the Browns taking Barkley at first solidifies that its a good decision, do you?
Why wouldn't it be? I thought everyone's aversion to the Giants taking him at #2 was because it'd be over a QB. In this scenario, the Browns would get the #1 Player in the draft AND their choice of QB. How is that not a good decision?
Don't see Dorsey including their 2019 1st. They have Houston's to see how risky that is.
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Where the Giants can take someone like Rashan Gary.
Don't see Dorsey including their 2019 1st. They have Houston's to see how risky that is.
How about 33,35 the first pick of round 4 and next years 2nd round pick?
That will get it done IMO.
if its a 2019 1st its a no brainer. sit and think if its just 3 2nds....but this team does have alot of holes.
Possibilities: Take the remainder QB;draft Chubb or NelsoN with a more realistic value at 4; bait Denver or Buffalo maybe Miami or Az too into a crazy move up,
; Denver or Buffalo trades to get the 2 Cleveland shanghied from us, and likely other options.
Bottom line : DON'T GET CUTE!!!
NY Jets want a QB they get one. NYG wants Chubb or Nelson with Chubb probably ranked higher.
If you get picks 33,35 and a 4th rounder plus next years 2nd round pick, you do this trade as long as you believe Chubb is ranked higher than the QB's.
...Cleveland takes Saquon Barkley at #1.
That opens the entire field of QBs to Gettleman in a QB-rich Draft.
Best possible outcome!
Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, et. al.
He gets his pick of the litter.
P.E.R.F.E.C.T.
...at #2 is exactly what Gettleman wants Cleveland to think.
Gettleman is QB all the way at #2.
Has been from Day One.
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Where the Giants can take someone like Rashan Gary.
Don't see Dorsey including their 2019 1st. They have Houston's to see how risky that is.
How about 33,35 the first pick of round 4 and next years 2nd round pick?
That will get it done IMO.
Lol so a 4th rd pick is a must or you dont do it?
We could do a lot with that pile.
I guess holding out for next years # 1 would be smart though.. but that sure is enticing if true.