I got a old college friend of mine whose now a free lance scout and previously worked with the Rams staff during Jeff Fisher's run. He told me that he talked with a buddy of his whose a scout for the Browns and shared some of their conversation with me.
- Saquon Barkley is the top rated prospect by a good majority of their front office.
- No official trade offers have been exchanged but it was floated to the Giants that picks #33 and #35 would be available if the Giants moved down from 2 to 4. Which would allow them to draft Barkley and their top rated QB.
- Giants asked about the possibility to include Cleveland's 2019 first. Talks didn't go much further. Expectation is it will pick up more once both teams are on the clock.
My friend also said his Browns source didn't say this but he got the sense that Barkley would be the first pick, as they don't think the Giants would pass on him at 2nd overall.
I almost did not post this info I got from my friend, as being a long time member on BBI, I know how these asshat threads get shredded and torn apart. Take everything posted with a grain of salt and if you want to bash away, have at it...
All kinds of former posters coming out of the woodwork, this is a big draft!
Welcome back, hope you are well.
Then what does it take for Gettleman to agree to forego what he believes is a likely future HOFer?
...at #2 is exactly what Gettleman wants Cleveland to think.
Gettleman is QB all the way at #2.
Has been from Day One.
I love posts like this.
Opinion stated as unequivocal fact.
There's absolutely no way of knowing this - yet I read posts like this constantly.
Chubb plus the first 3 of the 2nd is a better pick than a rb at 2
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...at #2 is exactly what Gettleman wants Cleveland to think.
Gettleman is QB all the way at #2.
Has been from Day One.
I love posts like this.
Opinion stated as unequivocal fact.
There's absolutely no way of knowing this - yet I read posts like this constantly.
My personal favorites were from micky, who at the end of the year would state AS FACT-
Ben McAdoo will be retained
Jerry Reese will be retained
No changes would be made
Stay the course
I’ve grown to enjoy micky as a poster, but his end of season posts were a riot.
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and sitting pretty at #2 with the knowledge they are guaranteed one of them (and assuming Gettleman believes they are the two most likely future HOFers in the draft)...
If you think the Browns are going to take Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks then you don't make the trade. But what if you're convinced the Browns want Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks and you're in love with Rosen and only Rosen? On top of that, you believe it's Mayfield or Allen that the Jets covet because Woody Johnson wants nothing to do with Rosen. Do you trust your intel, accept the trade, and cross your fingers that Rosen will be available to you at #4?
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and sitting pretty at #2 with the knowledge they are guaranteed one of them (and assuming Gettleman believes they are the two most likely future HOFers in the draft)...
If you think the Browns are going to take Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks then you don't make the trade. But what if you're convinced the Browns want Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks and you're in love with Rosen and only Rosen? On top of that, you believe it's Mayfield or Allen that the Jets covet because Woody Johnson wants nothing to do with Rosen. Do you trust your intel, accept the trade, and cross your fingers that Rosen will be available to you at #4?
I don't think you can make the trade based upon a guess of who goes at #3.
What I'm curious about is what is the value Gettleman places on a future HOFer? There are certain players who are invaluable ... For example, I wouldn't have given up the 1981 #2 position for the entirety of the rest of the 1981 draft.
But, presumably there is some amount of value that would force Gettleman to trade away this year's #2 even if he was personally convinced he was trading away a likely future HOFer. I'm just curious to know what that something would have to be.
Chubb plus the first 3 of the 2nd is a better pick than a rb at 2
man it sounds crazy but I would be tempted to move down from #4 with the bills at that point
Assuming we do that trade with the browns and they pick Darnold/Barkeyl with 1 and 2...then the jets take Mayfield with #3.
I would move #4 to the bills so they can pick Josh Allen in front of Denver and John Elway.
I know we would lose out on Chubb. But if we walked away with: 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66, and 69 we would walk away with 10 pick in the top 70. That is crazy.
And we could still grab someone like Davenport at #12 who I think fits to 3-4 outside pass rusher scheme much more than Chubb does. Then factor in all these additional picks.
We can basically fill all our holes with one draft.
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and sitting pretty at #2 with the knowledge they are guaranteed one of them (and assuming Gettleman believes they are the two most likely future HOFers in the draft)...
If you think the Browns are going to take Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks then you don't make the trade. But what if you're convinced the Browns want Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks and you're in love with Rosen and only Rosen? On top of that, you believe it's Mayfield or Allen that the Jets covet because Woody Johnson wants nothing to do with Rosen. Do you trust your intel, accept the trade, and cross your fingers that Rosen will be available to you at #4?
I don't think you can make the trade based upon a guess of who goes at #3.
What I'm curious about is what is the value Gettleman places on a future HOFer? There are certain players who are invaluable ... For example, I wouldn't have given up the 1981 #2 position for the entirety of the rest of the 1981 draft.
But, presumably there is some amount of value that would force Gettleman to trade away this year's #2 even if he was personally convinced he was trading away a likely future HOFer. I'm just curious to know what that something would have to be.
If gettlemen makes any decision because he's assuming he's getting a hall of famer he's a moron. The odds are slim to none
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Remote thrower. If the Browns take Darnold at 1 and we take Barkley instead of this deal, my remote will be thrown, stomped on, lit a blaze and then pissed on.
Chubb plus the first 3 of the 2nd is a better pick than a rb at 2
man it sounds crazy but I would be tempted to move down from #4 with the bills at that point
Assuming we do that trade with the browns and they pick Darnold/Barkeyl with 1 and 2...then the jets take Mayfield with #3.
I would move #4 to the bills so they can pick Josh Allen in front of Denver and John Elway.
I know we would lose out on Chubb. But if we walked away with: 12, 22, 33, 34, 35, 53, 56, 65, 66, and 69 we would walk away with 10 pick in the top 70. That is crazy.
And we could still grab someone like Davenport at #12 who I think fits to 3-4 outside pass rusher scheme much more than Chubb does. Then factor in all these additional picks.
We can basically fill all our holes with one draft.
I wouldn't. You need to come away with at least one blue-chip prospect.
You stop at 4, 33, 34, 35 and a pick from Cleveland in next years draft ...
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and sitting pretty at #2 with the knowledge they are guaranteed one of them (and assuming Gettleman believes they are the two most likely future HOFers in the draft)...
If you think the Browns are going to take Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks then you don't make the trade. But what if you're convinced the Browns want Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks and you're in love with Rosen and only Rosen? On top of that, you believe it's Mayfield or Allen that the Jets covet because Woody Johnson wants nothing to do with Rosen. Do you trust your intel, accept the trade, and cross your fingers that Rosen will be available to you at #4?
I don't think you can make the trade based upon a guess of who goes at #3.
What I'm curious about is what is the value Gettleman places on a future HOFer? There are certain players who are invaluable ... For example, I wouldn't have given up the 1981 #2 position for the entirety of the rest of the 1981 draft.
But, presumably there is some amount of value that would force Gettleman to trade away this year's #2 even if he was personally convinced he was trading away a likely future HOFer. I'm just curious to know what that something would have to be.
If gettlemen makes any decision because he's assuming he's getting a hall of famer he's a moron. The odds are slim to none
I'm using his words. He's not making an assumption. He says that you only take a player at #2 that would be worth the #2 pick in any draft in history (i.e. you can't reach). And he said that you draft the player whom you believe most likely to be the future HOFer in this draft. All that means is: take the very best player in the draft. Duh.
...at #2 is exactly what Gettleman wants Cleveland to think.
Gettleman is QB all the way at #2.
Has been from Day One.
Your opinion.
Then again, burning their first overall pick in the 3rd round on a QB soon to be cut anyway who is most likely going to start 8 games for them before handing over to their rookie and then becomes a FA this offseason... made not bit of fucking sense either.
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and sitting pretty at #2 with the knowledge they are guaranteed one of them (and assuming Gettleman believes they are the two most likely future HOFers in the draft)...
If you think the Browns are going to take Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks then you don't make the trade. But what if you're convinced the Browns want Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks and you're in love with Rosen and only Rosen? On top of that, you believe it's Mayfield or Allen that the Jets covet because Woody Johnson wants nothing to do with Rosen. Do you trust your intel, accept the trade, and cross your fingers that Rosen will be available to you at #4?
Rosen doesn't make or break that deal. You still can be assured of getting one of Rosen, Chubb, Mayfield or Nelson at 4.
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and sitting pretty at #2 with the knowledge they are guaranteed one of them (and assuming Gettleman believes they are the two most likely future HOFers in the draft)...
If you think the Browns are going to take Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks then you don't make the trade. But what if you're convinced the Browns want Barkley and Darnold with the top two picks and you're in love with Rosen and only Rosen? On top of that, you believe it's Mayfield or Allen that the Jets covet because Woody Johnson wants nothing to do with Rosen. Do you trust your intel, accept the trade, and cross your fingers that Rosen will be available to you at #4?
Otherwise if you get the first three picks on day two you're able to get three first round value players and you have A whole day to reset your board. Hell you even have enough ammo to trade into the middle of the first round
Lots to do
Otherwise if you get the first three picks on day two you're able to get three first round value players and you have A whole day to reset your board. Hell you even have enough ammo to trade into the middle of the first round
Lots to do
It's just that easy (sarcasm).
Got to get the first rounder next season since we would potentially be forgoing the QB of our choice.
Didnt read posts above but anybody thinking that 2 second rounders is enough is being taken...
Got to get the first rounder next season since we would potentially be forgoing the QB of our choice.
Didnt read posts above but anybody thinking that 2 second rounders is enough is being taken...
Really bad logic
Got to get the first rounder next season since we would potentially be forgoing the QB of our choice.
Didnt read posts above but anybody thinking that 2 second rounders is enough is being taken...
Depends on how the Giants rank the QB's, as they would still be assured of having 2 of the top four with the 4th pick assuming they wanted to go QB at that spot.
We could be looking at several rookies playing an integral part in the year if we are to be successful.
I think the Giants are going QB. DG said something interesting yesterday, "I dont want players who love football, I want players who hate to lose"
When asked about Rosen he said "He loves football" slip of the tongue...lol
His opening statement seemed to say QB.
He doesnt need this QB class to be 83, he just needs the one he picks to be good. I think he is talking up Barkley to push someone to either trade up or the Browns to take him. He basically said he was the best player in the draft.
The downside, moving down of 2 spots would mean you miss out on Barkley and 2 QBs.
In the end, my bet is Gettleman doesn't move off of #2. He's just too old school to suddenly be a wheeler and dealer of picks.
This trade scenario wouldn't surprise me in the least
This trade scenario wouldn't surprise me in the least
Exactly
Chubb plus the first 3 of the 2nd is a better pick than a rb at 2
We could be looking at several rookies playing an integral part in the year if we are to be successful.
When asked about Rosen he said "He loves football" slip of the tongue...lol
I would be thrilled with Darnold or Rosen but getting Rosen and picks would be a huge win IMO.
I think the Giants are going QB. DG said something interesting yesterday, "I dont want players who love football, I want players who hate to lose"
But, hey, anytime you can twist something so that it supports the anti-Rosen narrative I'm sure you'll have plenty of people nodding their heads in agreement.
Then again, burning their first overall pick in the 3rd round on a QB soon to be cut anyway who is most likely going to start 8 games for them before handing over to their rookie and then becomes a FA this offseason... made not bit of fucking sense either.
I barely even count Duke as a RB - they use him as a WR probably more than they use him as a RB. He ran the ball 82 times total this year but caught 74 passes.
He's usually in the slot or running routes out of the backfield.
No thank you
No thank you
We'd still have the 4th overall pick.
It's not like we would be relinquishing the opportunity to draft a top 5 player in this draft or get an elite talent.
It's moving down 2 spots and gaining two 2nd round picks in the process. This team has lots of holes - those 3 consecutive 2nd rd picks could be HUGE for us.
Odds are probably better that the guy they want won't be the best one in the draft. I think it's going to be Allen or Darnold if they go QB @ 1 and both of those guys have their own red flags.
Beyond that - it's the fucking Browns. Who cares what we "allow" them to do if it makes our team better? They're an AFC team and have virtually zero impact on us.
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wants to re-energize their fan base by picking the best QB (Allen/Darnold/?) and top RB in the draft (Barkley).
This trade scenario wouldn't surprise me in the least
Exactly
Was just saying to myself that if the Giants are asking for the moon, and the Browns have Allen and Darnold ranked very closely, they might give the nod to Allen thinking that the Giants jump at Darnold, giving them their perfect result with the 1 and 4.
This is all very interesting. Giants in the drivers seat here. I honestly think that the Barkley love is all a smoke screen to get the Browns to either take him at one, trade up to two or take Allen first and hoping the Giants jump at their fave qb at 2 leaving them Saquon after the Jets take a QB.
Good stuff.
My three picks would be:
OT Williams, OG Hernandez/Corbett/Wynn, and C Price/Daniels.
Haha three straight picks of Hog Mollies and all of a sudden our OL is set for 4-5 years. Plus we'd have Bradley Chubb. Would be consistent with Gettleman's pledge to build in the trenches.
Nick Chubb might also slip to the 3rd round.
I don’t have their draft board but if moving down costs me the only QB I like then I want a chance to get one next year. Hence the first rounder in 2019 to move up.
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