If the Giants trade down or let's say the go from 2 to 4 with Cleveland per the "asshat" post earlier, I think it point to Nelson.
Cleveland gets their QB and Barkley.
Giants like many other teams have Barkley, Chubb and Nelson as the top 3 players in the draft with Barkley being their top rated player. I'd be willing to bet they have the same grade on Nelson and Chubb and if you listen to Gettleman's presser yesterday in terms of how they rate players vertically and horizontally; then Nelson makes sense as Oline is probably viewed as a slightly bigger need than d-line. They take the highest rated player and if 2 players have the same grade, then they go to need. This points to Nelson. Thoughts?
from the moves we made on defense we really invested into running a 3-4 (chubb while being able to play both) really wouldn't be used properly in a 3-4...he's as traditional 4-3 DE as your going to get. He's really not a outside speed guy.
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from the moves we made on defense we really invested into running a 3-4 (chubb while being able to play both) really wouldn't be used properly in a 3-4...he's as traditional 4-3 DE as your going to get. He's really not a outside speed guy.
I had the same concerns. I asked Sy'56 on one of his threads if he could play standing up and Sy said yes, he grades out the same as a 3-4 rush lb as he does a 4-3 end. I have to take Sy's word for it.
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from the moves we made on defense we really invested into running a 3-4 (chubb while being able to play both) really wouldn't be used properly in a 3-4...he's as traditional 4-3 DE as your going to get. He's really not a outside speed guy.
The post is based on what I was told re: their grade on Chubb, he's way up there.
You want Eli to last and produce, protect him completely and create a push in the run game. That will solve a great many problems.
But not taking a blue chip QB now with no solution for the major QB problem we have is irresponsible.
But not taking a blue chip QB now with no solution for the major QB problem we have is irresponsible.
Blindly grabbing a QB because you draft high is also just as irresponsible. Non of the QB's coming out are sure fire hits.
Personally I would take nelson in that situation, then use one of those extra seconds and some later picks to move up into the end of the first and go after Hernandez. Then Draft the best remaining RB with our second round pick.
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from the moves we made on defense we really invested into running a 3-4 (chubb while being able to play both) really wouldn't be used properly in a 3-4...he's as traditional 4-3 DE as your going to get. He's really not a outside speed guy.
I had the same concerns. I asked Sy'56 on one of his threads if he could play standing up and Sy said yes, he grades out the same as a 3-4 rush lb as he does a 4-3 end. I have to take Sy's word for it.
I've heard Chubb doesn't grade the same. There are different views. IMO from what I've read and heard that he doesn't. If Giants choose Chubb ofc I hope he does. But Sy isn't infallible. OFC he could be right. I'm more on the fence that he doesn't thus I don't want him at 2 or 4.
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from the moves we made on defense we really invested into running a 3-4 (chubb while being able to play both) really wouldn't be used properly in a 3-4...he's as traditional 4-3 DE as your going to get. He's really not a outside speed guy.
I had the same concerns. I asked Sy'56 on one of his threads if he could play standing up and Sy said yes, he grades out the same as a 3-4 rush lb as he does a 4-3 end. I have to take Sy's word for it.
I've heard Chubb doesn't grade the same. There are different views. IMO from what I've read and heard that he doesn't. If Giants choose Chubb ofc I hope he does. But Sy isn't infallible. OFC he could be right. I'm more on the fence that he doesn't thus I don't want him at 2 or 4.
He might be able to stand up and play fine, but it's notable that he was recruited as an OLB and was moved to DE.
That could mean he has the skill set to stand up or could mean that the reason for the switch is that he doesn't. We won't know until he's on the field.
I agree Jon. Nelson is my favorite player in the draft but I could see ho Chubb is ranked a little higher at the very least. I understand the concern with the fit to the new scheme but it didn't bother Chandler Jones much so I would have to trust NYG and DG.
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Nelson, Chubb are excellent prospects.
But not taking a blue chip QB now with no solution for the major QB problem we have is irresponsible.
Blindly grabbing a QB because you draft high is also just as irresponsible. Non of the QB's coming out are sure fire hits.
I never said blindly. No player is a sure fire anything.
You need a near certain conviction on one of these 2018 QBs to take him at 2nd overall with so many other BPA type players at other positions that will be there to take with the 2nd overall or via a trade down.
The third 2nd rounder I think might be a CB, Mike Hughes or Donte Jackson.
Take a RB in round 3.
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Nelson, Chubb are excellent prospects.
But not taking a blue chip QB now with no solution for the major QB problem we have is irresponsible.
Blindly grabbing a QB because you draft high is also just as irresponsible. Non of the QB's coming out are sure fire hits.
I never said blindly. No player is a sure fire anything.
Exactly. If we're waiting for a QB coming out that is a sure fire hit or the next Andrew Luck we're not drafting a QB for awhile.
I thought maybe my idea of what a "blue chip" player was wrong so I looked it up:
Blue chip players are perceived as "can't miss" prospects who are desired by most organizations. Blue chip athletes are likely to have an immediate impact on teams that acquire them and have proven skills rather than speculative or untapped potential.
Doesn't sound like any of the QBs to me, granted I only know these players from this board as I don't really watch college. Perhaps I am wrong, are any of these QBs blue chip caliber?
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from the moves we made on defense we really invested into running a 3-4 (chubb while being able to play both) really wouldn't be used properly in a 3-4...he's as traditional 4-3 DE as your going to get. He's really not a outside speed guy.
They liketly won't be running a pure 3-4. They will run schemes to best utilize their personnel.
Pass rushers on the other hand...
Pass rushers on the other hand...
Maybe not but if I correctly understood DG talking about how he sets up his draft board, it seems they give each player a grade. Highest grade is how they go, and in event of a tie, they go for the greater need.
It's possible they have a higher grade on Nelson, or if it's the same as Chubb's they might see the greater need at OG.
I could be wrong or just missed it, but aside from QB, I didn't hear anything about positional value.
Browns 2) Barkley
Jets 3) Mayfield
Giants 4) Choice of Darnold/Rosen plus our haul of picks.
Browns 2) Barkley
Jets 3) Mayfield
Giants 4) Choice of Darnold/Rosen plus our haul of picks.
Would be nice but I think the Jets sprint to the podium and grab Darnold in that scenario.
Browns 2) Barkley
Jets 3) Mayfield
Giants 4) Choice of Darnold/Rosen plus our haul of picks.
The draft would be so damn exciting if the Giants traded down to 4, got the Browns first two 2nd rounders, and took Rosen at 4. The Giants would have three of the first four picks in round 2. There is no way the Jets would pass on Darnold though. They reportedly covet Darnold and then Mayfield.
But not taking a blue chip QB now with no solution for the major QB problem we have is irresponsible.