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NFT: Mets at Braves Game 2 THOR

ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 5:40 pm
Mets Lineup

Michael Conforto CF
Yoenis Cespedes LF
Asdrubal Cabrera 2B
Todd Frazier 3B
Wilmer Flores 1B
Jay Bruce RF
Tomas Nido C
Noah Syndergaard RHP
Amed Rosario SS

Braves Lineup

Ender Inciarte CF
Ozzie Albies 2B
Freddie Freeman 1B
Nick Markakis RF
Kurt Suzuki C
Preston Tucker LF
Dansby Swanson SS
Ryan Flaherty 3B
Sean Newcomb LHP

LGM!
Anyone else feel more comfortable tonight  
Shecky : 4/20/2018 5:55 pm : link
If they moved Thor up two more spots in the lineup?
Any idea why they aren't going to more of a OF rotation Sheck?  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 6:11 pm : link
I was all for it but seems like they truly do view Nimmo as a bench player at this point.
And to be clear...  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 6:12 pm : link
Im not saying they view Nimmo as a "bench player" in general. Im saying they view him as somebody that doesnt deserve playing time over three all stars (Cespedes, Conforto, and Bruce) which is still surprising.
Bruce needs to play  
spike : 4/20/2018 6:30 pm : link
More 1b
Can Nido  
spike : 4/20/2018 6:31 pm : link
Be a competent bat?
RE: Can Nido  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13923197 spike said:
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Be a competent bat?


Doubtful. Maybe some day. Plawecki cant get back soon enough.
RE: Bruce needs to play  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 6:37 pm : link
In comment 13923196 spike said:
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More 1b


Its tough. AGone has three hits in the last two games and plays a much better defense than Bruce would. I was all for Bruce maybe getting one start a week there to get Nimmo in the lineup a little more but it's not something they are willing to do it seems. At least yet.
Good luck tonight boys  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 7:29 pm : link
I am hoping that Newcomb has command of his pitches tonight because the Braves cannot afford to make any mistakes against Thor.
Bruce better start  
Metnut : 4/20/2018 7:34 pm : link
hitting if he wants to keep playing. He has a 70 wRC and has been awful in the OF. Truly awful out there. If Nimmo truly is the better option then he needs to play.

Im not saying were there yet, but keep an eye on it. The final answer might be Bruce at 1B but AGonz is hitting. Players with far larger contracts than Bruce have taken a seat.
Hoping for a big outing from Thor  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 7:34 pm : link
Interested to see if that wicked change-up is back again.
Dont worry folks  
Metnut : 4/20/2018 7:35 pm : link
whenever I rip into Bruce he has a monster night.

LGM
Welp.  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 7:44 pm : link
That HR was off a 100 mph pitch for those still worried about Thor only being able to throw 98/99 his last few starts. lol
RE: Welp.  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13923281 ZGiants98 said:
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That HR was off a 100 mph pitch for those still worried about Thor only being able to throw 98/99 his last few starts. lol

Albies is a damn good player
RE: RE: Welp.  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 7:50 pm : link
In comment 13923291 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13923281 ZGiants98 said:


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That HR was off a 100 mph pitch for those still worried about Thor only being able to throw 98/99 his last few starts. lol


Albies is a damn good player


What does that have to do with anything? Im referring to the posters questioning Thor's velocity.
RE: RE: RE: Welp.  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13923292 ZGiants98 said:
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What does that have to do with anything? Im referring to the posters questioning Thor's velocity.

No need to get pissy. I was just pointing out a good play made by a promising young player. Did anyone seriously worry about Thor's velocity?
Not pissy at all.  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 7:57 pm : link
Your comment seemed weirdly defensive over Albies or something for some reason. Yes posters were seriously worried about Thor throwing 98 mph in 37-degree weather. It was a real thing.
Someone other than Cabrera really needs to start hitting with  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 7:57 pm : link
more consistently. Its really frustrating when every hitter is underperforming.
RE: Not pissy at all.  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13923301 ZGiants98 said:
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Your comment seemed weirdly defensive over Albies or something for some reason. Yes posters were seriously worried about Thor throwing 98 mph in 37-degree weather. It was a real thing.

Why would I be defensive over Albies? I love the kid I was just impressed that he actually went deep off Thor.
Newcomb has almost a 13 k/9...  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 7:59 pm : link
We struggle against lefties.... and strike out a lot. Seems like a good recipe tonight.
RE: RE: Not pissy at all.  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 8:00 pm : link
In comment 13923305 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13923301 ZGiants98 said:


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Your comment seemed weirdly defensive over Albies or something for some reason. Yes posters were seriously worried about Thor throwing 98 mph in 37-degree weather. It was a real thing.


Why would I be defensive over Albies? I love the kid I was just impressed that he actually went deep off Thor.


Defending that he's good as if I was swiping him. Let's move on please. lol
Jeesh  
Rflairr : 4/20/2018 8:04 pm : link
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I really hope the 12-1 start wasnt all luck and smoke and mirrors.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 8:08 pm : link
The Mets are by far the worst hitting team in the division. I know its early but its a little concerning.
.  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 8:08 pm : link

Tim Healey

@timbhealey
Mickey Callaway and Matt Harvey haven't talked about Harvey's job status yet. But Callaway noted his history of success sending guys to the bullpen on a short-term basis.

"We can help guys," Callaway said. "Guys have to be willing to be helped." https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-matt-harvey-bullpen-rotation-1.18181188
RE: I really hope the 12-1 start wasnt all luck and smoke and mirrors.  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13923320 PhiPsi125 said:
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The Mets are by far the worst hitting team in the division. I know its early but its a little concerning.


Our best hitters are the outfielders and they are all cold. It won't last.
RE: .  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13923321 ZGiants98 said:
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Tim Healey

@timbhealey
Mickey Callaway and Matt Harvey haven't talked about Harvey's job status yet. But Callaway noted his history of success sending guys to the bullpen on a short-term basis.

"We can help guys," Callaway said. "Guys have to be willing to be helped." https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-matt-harvey-bullpen-rotation-1.18181188


Good luck with that Mickey. Theres no way Harvey agrees to go to the pen. Ultimate team player.
There's nothing Harvey can do  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 8:11 pm : link
Sounds like they are considering the minors, the bullpen, or possibly DLing him. Either way, Harvey is about to lose his spot.
Nice job  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 8:14 pm : link
Rosie.
nice Rosario!!!  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 8:14 pm : link
Just got my Rosario jersey in the mail today.

1-1!
Rosario!!  
Rflairr : 4/20/2018 8:14 pm : link
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Braves and Phillies  
Metnut : 4/20/2018 8:15 pm : link
are going to be at least solid teams. NL East will be tough this year. Bright side is that well get to see lots of interesting players all year.
Man, it would really be a boost if Rosario can start hitting  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 8:15 pm : link
like he should be. Im tired of watching everyone elses rookies overachieve and being left out of the party lol.
Atta boy, Conforto.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 8:16 pm : link
Its the little things.
Good job Conforto  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 8:16 pm : link
Had to get that in.
You can see why Rosario  
Metnut : 4/20/2018 8:16 pm : link
is such an elite prospect. Tools everywhere. Remember how young he is. He needs to play every day and get ABs vs MLB pitching.
Quality AB by Conforto  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 8:17 pm : link
good to get those guys whom from 3rd with less than 2 outs.

This offense will get better as the year goes on. Whole OF won't be cold together for much of the year (I hope).

I really like Mickey and Eilends no nonsense  
Rflairr : 4/20/2018 8:19 pm : link
approach with Harvey. Doesnt sound like theyre going to baby him
RE: You can see why Rosario  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13923338 Metnut said:
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is such an elite prospect. Tools everywhere. Remember how young he is. He needs to play every day and get ABs vs MLB pitching.

Sometimes a trip to AAA to rebuild confidence is all that is needed. Dansby Swanson was awful last season and was sent down for 3-4 weeks. When he returned to the majors his play improved and he is off to a good start this season.
.  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 8:23 pm : link
If anyone thinks Harvey accepts a trip  
bhill410 : 4/20/2018 8:32 pm : link
To minors they are delusional. Its bp, phantom DL with rehab start, or he is making another start.

Personally I wouldnt mind seeing him one more time with the understanding that if you fail you are in the bullpen. Be curious to see how he reacts to that kind of binary event.
nice rip  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 8:35 pm : link
Flores.

Still slow as can be.
Thank you Wilmah  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 8:35 pm : link
Lucky bounce off the wall but Ill take the RBI.
RE: RE: You can see why Rosario  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13923344 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13923338 Metnut said:


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is such an elite prospect. Tools everywhere. Remember how young he is. He needs to play every day and get ABs vs MLB pitching.


Sometimes a trip to AAA to rebuild confidence is all that is needed. Dansby Swanson was awful last season and was sent down for 3-4 weeks. When he returned to the majors his play improved and he is off to a good start this season.


Well, I think its a bit premature to send down Rosario. I mean, hes hitting .246. Not great but not horrible. Swanson was sub .200 for a bit. Id like to see if he can turn things up a notch against MLB pitching. Theres nothing to gain from posting boosted hitting stats in Vegas.
RE: If anyone thinks Harvey accepts a trip  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13923365 bhill410 said:
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To minors they are delusional. Its bp, phantom DL with rehab start, or he is making another start.

Personally I wouldnt mind seeing him one more time with the understanding that if you fail you are in the bullpen. Be curious to see how he reacts to that kind of binary event.


The problem is that he's out either way. You arent giving Harvey his spot back and putting Vargas in the pen after Harvey has been bad for a month and his stuff is noticeably not there. You are right that Harvey can refuse assignment to Vegas but Mickey was literally just talking about it as a possibility before the game tonight. It does sound like they are leaning pen though which is fine. He would basically replace Bautista who clearly isnt ready anyway. .
starting OF hitting a combined  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 8:38 pm : link
.202 or so.

Pretty amazing this team is where it is with the lack of production out there.

RE: RE: RE: You can see why Rosario  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13923376 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13923344 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 13923338 Metnut said:


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is such an elite prospect. Tools everywhere. Remember how young he is. He needs to play every day and get ABs vs MLB pitching.


Sometimes a trip to AAA to rebuild confidence is all that is needed. Dansby Swanson was awful last season and was sent down for 3-4 weeks. When he returned to the majors his play improved and he is off to a good start this season.



Well, I think its a bit premature to send down Rosario. I mean, hes hitting .246. Not great but not horrible. Swanson was sub .200 for a bit. Id like to see if he can turn things up a notch against MLB pitching. Theres nothing to gain from posting boosted hitting stats in Vegas.

I agree with you that it is too soon. I was suggesting that if he continue to struggle then send him down for a confidence boost.
Good thing Wisler went 7 last night  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 8:40 pm : link
because they will be lucky to get 5 innings out of Newcomb tonight.
RE: starting OF hitting a combined  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13923380 jpkmets said:
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.202 or so.

Pretty amazing this team is where it is with the lack of production out there.


Really cant wait until Cespedes, Conforto, and Bruce start heating up. I'd settle for one of them heating up right now.
Jesus Bruce  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 8:47 pm : link
he's adding nada on either end right now.
Wow...  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 8:48 pm : link
What is Bruce doing there? Rough couple days in th OF. Holy smokes.
That should have been scored an error  
Ira : 4/20/2018 8:50 pm : link
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God, Id soooo much rather see Nimmo out there instead  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 8:50 pm : link
of Bruce. Hes been so bad. And a hot Nimmo is just rotting on the bench.

That should have been an error on Bruce. Home cooking score keeping screws Thors ERA.
This Flaherty guy is hitting waaaaaay over his head.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 8:51 pm : link
We could use some luck like that lol.
RE: This Flaherty guy is hitting waaaaaay over his head.  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13923405 PhiPsi125 said:
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We could use some luck like that lol.

It's pretty ridiculous. I keep waiting for the bubble to burst.
RE: RE: This Flaherty guy is hitting waaaaaay over his head.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 8:56 pm : link
In comment 13923407 Jay on the Island said:
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We could use some luck like that lol.


It's pretty ridiculous. I keep waiting for the bubble to burst.


Ride it out, my friend. We have a young guy hitting the cover off the ball but the Skip has him rotting on the bench in favor of the bumbling fool Jay Bruce.
Good AB by Conforto  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 8:57 pm : link
let's go Ces -- hit one hard!
RE: RE: RE: This Flaherty guy is hitting waaaaaay over his head.  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 8:57 pm : link
In comment 13923412 PhiPsi125 said:
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Ride it out, my friend. We have a young guy hitting the cover off the ball but the Skip has him rotting on the bench in favor of the bumbling fool Jay Bruce.

I've never been very high on Nimmo but he is starting to win me over. Why he isn't playing more is beyond me.
Ugh  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 8:58 pm : link
Newk still struggling with the walks.
Wow Cespedes  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 9:00 pm : link
Just wow. Awful.
nice inning, Thor  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 9:07 pm : link
!
Time to knock Newcomb out of the game  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 9:09 pm : link
Let's Go.
Safe!  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 9:19 pm : link
Come on.
So god damn slow. So fucking slow.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 9:19 pm : link
SO FUCKING SLOW.
flores  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 9:19 pm : link
slowness does him in again.

Man!

How do they review that close play so fast but it took a year  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 9:21 pm : link
and a day to determine the blatantly obvious fan interference?
Good job Newk!  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 9:21 pm : link
Solid start.
RE: How do they review that close play so fast but it took a year  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13923447 PhiPsi125 said:
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and a day to determine the blatantly obvious fan interference?


IDK. That was super close. At worst it looked like a tie.
goddamn  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 9:23 pm : link
cabrera needs to make that play
Catch the ball  
Rflairr : 4/20/2018 9:23 pm : link
Jeesh
JFC Cabrera  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 9:23 pm : link
Cespedes threw markakis out by a mile!
Mets a step slow  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 9:23 pm : link
and flat all over the place tonight.
RE: Mets a step slow  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13923457 jpkmets said:
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and flat all over the place tonight.



Seems like in a game of inches the Braves are getting all of them tonight. How much longer before the dam breaks?
Good job Nido  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 9:25 pm : link
Jesus
Well at least he pitched 6 innings this time  
Rflairr : 4/20/2018 9:32 pm : link
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Syndergaard didn't have his best stuff tonight  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 9:33 pm : link
But the defense really blew it. Should have been 3-1. Bruce's ridiculous effort on the "error" leading to a run. Cabrera not catching a throw when the runner was thrown out by a mile. Nido stabbing at pitches leading to a passed ball and easy sacrifice... yuck.
Nimmo is really something  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 9:39 pm : link
Got to get this kid in the lineup tomorrow.

Nimmo  
Rflairr : 4/20/2018 9:39 pm : link
Needs to play over Bruce
come on  
Rory : 4/20/2018 9:44 pm : link
Conforto
Conforto just looked  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 9:46 pm : link
silly. Holy slumping OF.
Well, I guess the old adage is true.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 9:46 pm : link
It aint who you play, its when you play them. Braves hitting way over their heads and the Mets hitting way under their norms. Wish they would snap out of it before they are back to a .500 team.
I'm bummed we missed the chance to see Nimmo everyday for a month or 2  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2018 9:47 pm : link
obviously stoked Conforto came back early, but Nimmo seems like a guy who has figured it out and he fills 2 roles that can help the team big time - leadoff hitter & high energy grinder.
RE: I'm bummed we missed the chance to see Nimmo everyday for a month or 2  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 9:48 pm : link
In comment 13923478 Eric on Li said:
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obviously stoked Conforto came back early, but Nimmo seems like a guy who has figured it out and he fills 2 roles that can help the team big time - leadoff hitter & high energy grinder.


And a thousand times better fielder than Bruce.
God dammit Lugo.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 9:49 pm : link
This team is just making every game so difficult to win.
Lugo about to punch his ticket to AAA  
Rflairr : 4/20/2018 9:49 pm : link
Keep coming out of the pen walking people
What is up with Lugo the last few appearances?  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 9:49 pm : link
Cant walk the leadoff guy. Ugh.
Haha...  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 9:51 pm : link
We finally have our first CS of the year. lol
Oh shit  
Rflairr : 4/20/2018 9:51 pm : link
Threw out a runner
Nido time to  
Rory : 4/20/2018 9:52 pm : link
celebrate yay
Nidos throw bounced 10 feet before the base, Jesus.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 9:53 pm : link
Talk about a gift. Can any of these catchers throw a damn ball even close?
Cespedes adds one more K  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 9:57 pm : link
to his NL leading K total. Well done.
RE: Nidos throw bounced 10 feet before the base, Jesus.  
spike : 4/20/2018 9:59 pm : link
In comment 13923494 PhiPsi125 said:
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Talk about a gift. Can any of these catchers throw a damn ball even close?


Do these guys learn anything in the minors about catching?
Ugh  
Rflairr : 4/20/2018 10:00 pm : link
Got to get the sf there. Unreal
Nemo needs to play  
spike : 4/20/2018 10:00 pm : link
every day
Frazier crashing back down to earth leaving Cabrera as the only  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 10:04 pm : link
starting player even remotely hitting well. Two other players are crushing it but they see the bench most days. Way to play the hot hand, Mickey. Clubhouse must be real fun these days. Certainly dont want to mess that up.
RE: RE: Nidos throw bounced 10 feet before the base, Jesus.  
Rflairr : 4/20/2018 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13923500 spike said:
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Talk about a gift. Can any of these catchers throw a damn ball even close?



Do these guys learn anything in the minors about catching?


Funny thing is Sherlock was supposed to be the guy to help with these catching woes. That was supposed to be the reason, you put up with his shitty 3B coaching.
Ok we are losing this game...  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:06 pm : link
This is bullshit.
Lugo sucks again  
spike : 4/20/2018 10:07 pm : link
where is Gsellman
Shitty offense has affected this entire team lol.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 10:07 pm : link
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Lugo's calling card is literally his control  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:09 pm : link
He's a strike thrower. Gotta believe the pen routine is affecting his rhythm or something. He cant find the plate!
Now THATS a throw. Nice job Nido.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 10:12 pm : link
Send a message.
Nido  
Rory : 4/20/2018 10:12 pm : link
yay yay
One  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:15 pm : link
thing about Lugo and Gsellman. They are ALWAYS pitching 3 innings. Maybe there is a reason nobody in the league does that? Do they prepare as starters or relievers? Cant be easy.
RE: One  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13923522 ZGiants98 said:
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thing about Lugo and Gsellman. They are ALWAYS pitching 3 innings. Maybe there is a reason nobody in the league does that? Do they prepare as starters or relievers? Cant be easy.

Gsellman hasn't pitched more than 2 innings this season.
In a game  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 10:19 pm : link
obviously
RE: RE: One  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13923528 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13923522 ZGiants98 said:


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thing about Lugo and Gsellman. They are ALWAYS pitching 3 innings. Maybe there is a reason nobody in the league does that? Do they prepare as starters or relievers? Cant be easy.


Gsellman hasn't pitched more than 2 innings this season.


He has. He just didnt retire an out. Either way, my point stands. These guys are always going double innings. Im not surprised Lugo is suddenly having control issues.
annnnddd  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:23 pm : link
Lagares snuffs that out. Well done.
Good job Minter  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 10:24 pm : link
I hope this kid finally stays healthy.
RE: RE: RE: One  
Rory : 4/20/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13923535 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13923528 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 13923522 ZGiants98 said:


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thing about Lugo and Gsellman. They are ALWAYS pitching 3 innings. Maybe there is a reason nobody in the league does that? Do they prepare as starters or relievers? Cant be easy.


Gsellman hasn't pitched more than 2 innings this season.



He has. He just didnt retire an out. Either way, my point stands. These guys are always going double innings. Im not surprised Lugo is suddenly having control issues.


any idea why?
I just think Mickey views this as a new  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:27 pm : link
era where guys like MIller can always go multiple innings and there's going to be this new trend where you will see crossover guys that go multiple innings. Sewald has gone 3 innings a couple of times too. It just makes me wonder... How are these guys preparing? Is there a reason this hasnt been done in a 100+ years or have Mickey/Eilland unlocked something. It's not even like they are off for a few days in between either. Sometimes they have been called back right away to face a batter the next day in between these 2-3 inning stints.

Just spitballing. Not criticizing.
Nice job  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:30 pm : link
Ramos!
I think it is a return to the pre-closer era  
Vanzetti : 4/20/2018 10:32 pm : link
I think Relief pitchers often went multiple innings back in the day. I was only 7 in 1986 but I think Roger McDowell often went 2-3 innings. I think Tug McGraw would do 3-4 innings in his ya gotta believe year
I really want this game. Gotta be able to steal some games when your  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 10:36 pm : link
offense sucks balls. Thor and DeGrom games need to be those.
Except nobody in baseball is really doing that..  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:36 pm : link
Miller is a freak but how many pitchers that arent even long men doing this regularly? Also, so early in the season before even really being stretched out a lot yet.

Just bares monitoring is all. It will be great if it works. Im still optimistic and prefer what Ive seen from the bullpen and Mickey over what Terry used to do.
Some guy just tweeted  
Vanzetti : 4/20/2018 10:37 pm : link
Wilmer working on a reverse cycle: he has been thrown out home, second and first
4 strikeouts for Cespedes tonight  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 10:37 pm : link
Absolutely fantastic. That .197 batting average looks great Ces. Keep up the stellar work.
Cespedes and Bruce need a  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:38 pm : link
vacation. Maybe they can go hang out on Cespedes's horse farm for a week.
I  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:41 pm : link
cant believe Swarzak pulled his intercostal again and had a setback. He's going to be out another month. Im greedy and want the pen to have its full compliment.
Mickey needs to stop asking vets if they want to sit and be  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 10:45 pm : link
the fucking manager. You want to bat under .200 and strike out half the time? Fine, take a seat for a couple games. Hated lack of accountability under Terry. Find playing time for the players that are crushing it, Mickey.
Yeah at least go to a rotation  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:50 pm : link
I think we would all sign up for Nimmo staring 4 games a week right now and there's no reason why they cant do that. Its a little baffling.

Oh well lets steal this game somehow.
Josh Ravin?  
Jay on the Island : 4/20/2018 10:51 pm : link
Game over.
Not good  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:52 pm : link
Flo. Come on BRUUUUCE!
RE: Josh Ravin?  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 10:52 pm : link
In comment 13923579 Jay on the Island said:
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Game over.


You do know that the Mets cant hit, right?
Either Nimmo or Lagares should start every night  
Vanzetti : 4/20/2018 10:53 pm : link
Depending on whether its a righty or lefty going for the other team
Holy Christ  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:53 pm : link
This is sickening.
Nido's time to shine  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2018 10:53 pm : link
cant possibly do worse than Flores and Bruce.
This team sucks, ugh.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 10:54 pm : link
Does a pitching coach manager have any feel for hitting strategy?
RE: Nido's time to shine  
Eric on Li : 4/20/2018 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13923585 Eric on Li said:
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cant possibly do worse than Flores and Bruce.


nevermind, he can.
RE: Josh Ravin?  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13923579 Jay on the Island said:
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Game over.


Yup, good call.
Good job guys  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 10:54 pm : link
Wow.
Come on Mickey.  
Beezer : 4/20/2018 10:55 pm : link
Move the fucking runners.
Theres no way we are winning this game.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 10:57 pm : link
Well, the first two weeks of the season were fun though!
You have to move the runners over  
Vanzetti : 4/20/2018 10:59 pm : link
I also would have pinch hit Agon for Nido
SQUEEZE  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:02 pm : link
:(
omg..  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:05 pm : link
I swear the Braves do the effing chop more than they ever have. It's literally every 2 seconds.
Heck yeah  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:08 pm : link
Winter Soldier.
RE: Heck yeah  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 11:09 pm : link
In comment 13923599 ZGiants98 said:
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Winter Soldier.


Hey, thats what I called him! Totally looks like him.
RE: RE: Heck yeah  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:10 pm : link
In comment 13923600 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13923599 ZGiants98 said:


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Winter Soldier.



Hey, thats what I called him! Totally looks like him.


He does! lol. Im stealing it!
Soooo....  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:11 pm : link
Looks like Gsellman will come out for a third inning....
Come on... score  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:12 pm : link
so we can bring in Familia.
Conforto and Cespedes  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:14 pm : link
If they cant do it again I give up. lol
sit Scooter tomorrow  
spike : 4/20/2018 11:15 pm : link
for Nimmo
YES!  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:15 pm : link
Wow. Cespedes gets a clutch hit again. I swear Cespedes only gets hits when the game is on the line. Crazy.
Ive never seen an entire team all with extreme uppercut swings.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 11:16 pm : link
Launch Angle Baby!
shouldve  
spike : 4/20/2018 11:19 pm : link
kept going to third.
RE: sit Scooter tomorrow  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 11:19 pm : link
In comment 13923608 spike said:
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for Nimmo


Nope. Sit Bruce and Cespedes. Let the kids play.
Nice road win  
Metnut : 4/20/2018 11:26 pm : link
vs a playoff contender. We have a top 5 bullpen.
I cant believe we one that game.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/20/2018 11:27 pm : link
I feel so dirty, lol. They got away with one.
WS  
spike : 4/20/2018 11:27 pm : link
is da man! MVP
Hell of a win!  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 11:28 pm : link
Uninspired baseball for large chunks tonight, but the bullpen and Ces again doing zero but a game-winning hit.

Big, and frankly unexpected, win.
RE: I cant believe we one that game.  
jpkmets : 4/20/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13923616 PhiPsi125 said:
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I feel so dirty, lol. They got away with one.


ha -- well put! Dirty, but so happy.
No Gary that wasn't an exciting win  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:29 pm : link
It was ugly. Ill take it though. Feels good having deGrom going tomorrow.
Yeah. Sit Cespedes.  
Beezer : 4/20/2018 11:33 pm : link
Hitting .400 with RISP.

Brilliant. Lol
Cespdes has a -0.3 WAR  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:34 pm : link
and is on pace for 300 strikeouts. He's finding a way to eek out game winners but let's be honest... He's still pretty much lost.
Every win is a good win.  
Beezer : 4/20/2018 11:35 pm : link
They dont all need to look great. Or even feel good. Scratching some out is what its all about.

14-5!

deGrom tomorrow.

Lets GO!!!

RE: Cespdes has a -0.3 WAR  
Beezer : 4/20/2018 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13923624 ZGiants98 said:
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and is on pace for 300 strikeouts. He's finding a way to eek out game winners but let's be honest... He's still pretty much lost.


Stats dont matter for some things.

Hes coming through in big spots.

You play him while hes feeling physically great and let him work through it.
Im not crucifying anybody  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:42 pm : link
Baseball is game of streaks and everybody goes hot and cold, especially power hitters. Conforto, Cespedes, and Bruce will all have periods where they are red hot. There will be periods when Frazier and Cabrera are lost. Im not overreacting. I do think that when fans get frustrated over "offense" it should be directed at the correct reasons "why" though. For some reason, they will overlook the 25 million super star guy signed to carry you and direct their venom to a "Reyes" or somebody who really has little impact on the team. That's about the only thing that annoys me.

Im still happy to have Cespedes around obviously. He'll come out of it.
I think when some of us have been  
Beezer : 4/20/2018 11:49 pm : link
around as fans as long as we have, one or two games dont mean much as far as a trend. In a similar vein, if Ces was doing zero, maybe give him a day off. But despite the average, hes hitting 400 with RISP, and is on pace for ballpark 160 RBI. So if hes also on pace for 300 K? Sign me up for a .200 season overall.
The problem is that's impossible  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:53 pm : link
as the RBI's are mostly fluky. He isnt going to keep doing this unless he comes out of his slump obviously.

I dont have an issue with being patient. Hell, that's my MO. If that's who you are? Great.

Most fans dont react that way though. Every slump is the end of the world, etc.

I remember last year Granderson had like a 5 wRC+ in April. lol. Everybody wanted him dead. The guy was up to around 115 by the deadline. Its the same crap every year.
I still think very little has gone right for the Mets so far.  
ZGiants98 : 4/20/2018 11:59 pm : link
The rotation certainly hasnt been stellar although there are signs it might be good, especially when Vargas joins the team. The lineup, especially its biggest stars, have been mostly ice cold. We lost both of our starting catchers. Our prized setup man has been out all year.

The only real difference I see is that we have been relatively healthy. Just having guys like Familia and Syndergaard back makes a massive difference. It just shows how badly injuries wrecked our season last year.

It sounds weird, but all this actually makes me even more optimistic for this season. What happens when guys like Conforto and Cespedes start raking? What happens when Syndergaard is going 7 deep and dominating guys like we know he can? What happens when Swarzak joins the pen? There's still a ton of upside for this team we havent seen yet.
RE: Yeah. Sit Cespedes.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/21/2018 12:04 am : link
In comment 13923623 Beezer said:
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Hitting .400 with RISP.

Brilliant. Lol


You are trying way too hard.

Cespedes has gotten three big hits this season and has sucked the rest of the time. Maybe if he doesnt strike out four times we win the game in 9 instead of destroying our bullpen. Either way, its non sustainable. Hes gonna need to pick it up. And Im sure he will. But nobody should be exempt from taking a seat for a couple of games when they literally strikeout every other at bat.
I fully expect  
spike : 4/21/2018 12:09 am : link
Swarzak to get a TJ or amputation next week
14-5  
madgiantscow009 : 4/21/2018 1:33 am : link
if they go .500 the rest of the way, it's 100 wins.
RE: 14-5  
Mike in NY : 4/21/2018 3:40 am : link
In comment 13923649 madgiantscow009 said:
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if they go .500 the rest of the way, it's 100 wins.


If they go 71-71 that takes us to 85-76
RE: 14-5  
jpkmets : 4/21/2018 7:50 am : link
In comment 13923649 madgiantscow009 said:
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if they go .500 the rest of the way, it's 100 wins.


well-played
I stopped doing it in the offseason  
Shecky : 4/21/2018 10:56 am : link
One of the most disingenuous statements of all time...
RE: I stopped doing it in the offseason  
PhiPsi125 : 4/21/2018 11:47 am : link
In comment 13923818 Shecky said:
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One of the most disingenuous statements of all time...


Whats this from?
Cespedes has been striking out a ton BUT  
Vanzetti : 4/21/2018 12:30 pm : link
he put the bat on the ball when he had to. And he went with the pitch. The reason it went through is only partly luck because the infield had him shaded the other way. You put the ball in play. You go with the pitch instead of trying to hit the big HR. That's how you win games. And that's why sabremetrics only tell you so much.
RE: I cant believe we one that game.  
Vanzetti : 4/21/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13923616 PhiPsi125 said:
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I feel so dirty, lol. They got away with one.


I think that is because as Mets fans we are not accustomed to having a lock-down pen and and a manger who knows how to use the pen (not since Bobby V).

So, yes, Mets offense looked anemic but Braves got nothing going against Mets pen. And Atlanta's pen is also very strong, so it was not just the Mets hitters. It was actually a good game. Mets made some mistakes. Braves did a good job throwing guys out. In the end, Mets prevailed because they are the stronger team.
RE: RE: I stopped doing it in the offseason  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2018 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13923849 PhiPsi125 said:
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One of the most disingenuous statements of all time...



Whats this from?


Cespedes playing golf?
MDD  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2018 12:46 pm : link
pitched a perfect inning last night for the 51's in a blowout loss.
RE: Cespedes has been striking out a ton BUT  
PhiPsi125 : 4/21/2018 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13923879 Vanzetti said:
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he put the bat on the ball when he had to. And he went with the pitch. The reason it went through is only partly luck because the infield had him shaded the other way. You put the ball in play. You go with the pitch instead of trying to hit the big HR. That's how you win games. And that's why sabremetrics only tell you so much.


I hate when people make the excuse that a player was horrible the whole game but came through when it mattered. It doesnt make any sense. Did he not have to put the bat on the ball in the previous 4 at bats? Was there not an opportunity to contribute to the offense when he struck out 4 times in a row? Maybe we could have won the game in 9 innings instead of crushing the BP but having to use them through 12 innings.

Im glad hes had a few clutch games (through luck or not) but I cant stress this enough...Cespedes is killing this team right now.
RE: RE: Cespedes has been striking out a ton BUT  
Vanzetti : 4/21/2018 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13923962 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13923879 Vanzetti said:


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he put the bat on the ball when he had to. And he went with the pitch. The reason it went through is only partly luck because the infield had him shaded the other way. You put the ball in play. You go with the pitch instead of trying to hit the big HR. That's how you win games. And that's why sabremetrics only tell you so much.



I hate when people make the excuse that a player was horrible the whole game but came through when it mattered. It doesnt make any sense. Did he not have to put the bat on the ball in the previous 4 at bats? Was there not an opportunity to contribute to the offense when he struck out 4 times in a row? Maybe we could have won the game in 9 innings instead of crushing the BP but having to use them through 12 innings.

Im glad hes had a few clutch games (through luck or not) but I cant stress this enough...Cespedes is killing this team right now.


Thats like saying Mookie Wilsons AB in the 1986 WOrld Series wasnt big because after all if Mookie had hit a three run homer earlier in the game, Mets would have won in regulation.

Your manager bunted a guy over to put him in scoring position for you and Conforto. Conforto pops up. Now it is all on you because its the 12th inning and bullpen is stretched. Thats big AB and Cespedes game through.

The guy is tied for the league lead in RBIs and people are criticizing him
Because his OPS is not up to snuff. Ces is paid to drive in runs and that is what he is doing. Nuff said
.  
pjcas18 : 4/21/2018 3:34 pm : link
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Michael Baron
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Official: #Mets recall Corey Oswalt, option Gerson Bautista to @LasVegas51s.
FYI  
BigBlue4You09 : 4/21/2018 4:12 pm : link
Matt Harvey is going to the bullpen, Mickey Callaway said. To make room for Jason Vargass return. He was informed today.
RE: FYI  
jpkmets : 4/21/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 13924084 BigBlue4You09 said:
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Matt Harvey is going to the bullpen, Mickey Callaway said. To make room for Jason Vargass return. He was informed today.


Excellent. This is 100% the right call. Glad to see Callaway pay no attention to name value here. If Harvey is possibly going to help this team, he has a whole reinvention to go through. He needs to pursue that retool in low leverage situations. Vargas should stablize the back-end of the rotation.

Really glad this was done quickly and that the right call was made.

Good organizational work here
RE: RE: RE: Cespedes has been striking out a ton BUT  
PhiPsi125 : 4/21/2018 4:49 pm : link
In comment 13924035 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 13923962 PhiPsi125 said:


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In comment 13923879 Vanzetti said:


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he put the bat on the ball when he had to. And he went with the pitch. The reason it went through is only partly luck because the infield had him shaded the other way. You put the ball in play. You go with the pitch instead of trying to hit the big HR. That's how you win games. And that's why sabremetrics only tell you so much.



I hate when people make the excuse that a player was horrible the whole game but came through when it mattered. It doesnt make any sense. Did he not have to put the bat on the ball in the previous 4 at bats? Was there not an opportunity to contribute to the offense when he struck out 4 times in a row? Maybe we could have won the game in 9 innings instead of crushing the BP but having to use them through 12 innings.

Im glad hes had a few clutch games (through luck or not) but I cant stress this enough...Cespedes is killing this team right now.



Thats like saying Mookie Wilsons AB in the 1986 WOrld Series wasnt big because after all if Mookie had hit a three run homer earlier in the game, Mets would have won in regulation.

Your manager bunted a guy over to put him in scoring position for you and Conforto. Conforto pops up. Now it is all on you because its the 12th inning and bullpen is stretched. Thats big AB and Cespedes game through.

The guy is tied for the league lead in RBIs and people are criticizing him
Because his OPS is not up to snuff. Ces is paid to drive in runs and that is what he is doing. Nuff said


First off, I never said that Cespedes' hit wasn't big. Let's keep to the facts and not make stuff up to support your narrative.

Second, if Mookie had hit a 3 run HR earlier in the game, is it safe to say that we wouldn't have had to rely on an error to win that game? It was still a big play. But more because of Bill Buckner...not Mookie hitting a routine ground ball right at the first baseman.

If your point is that Mookie "put the bat on the ball", well then, he sure did. He also put the bat on the ball 4 out of 5 times that game. Cespedes struck out 4 times last night and has a 40% k rate. He's actually been quite bad at putting the bat on the ball. In fact, I doubt he'd be getting as much criticism if he actually COULD put the bat on the ball.

Cespedes overall stats are god-awful, has a negative WAR, strikes out every other at bat. He deserves to be criticized if a fan chooses to.

Nuff said? Jesus.
RE: RE: FYI  
PhiPsi125 : 4/21/2018 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13924088 jpkmets said:
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Matt Harvey is going to the bullpen, Mickey Callaway said. To make room for Jason Vargass return. He was informed today.



Excellent. This is 100% the right call. Glad to see Callaway pay no attention to name value here. If Harvey is possibly going to help this team, he has a whole reinvention to go through. He needs to pursue that retool in low leverage situations. Vargas should stablize the back-end of the rotation.

Really glad this was done quickly and that the right call was made.

Good organizational work here


I'm actually quite shocked by this. I agree with a lot of what you said. Maybe there is hope for Harvey to turn it around but who knows how he is going to handle this move (from an attitude perspective).
judging by his follow up  
Rory : 4/21/2018 6:32 pm : link
comments today, it appears he accepts that he's playing like shit and accepts he needs to work that shit out in the bullpen.

Maybe he'll handle this just fine.
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