Sources: The #Giants are in the process of trading for #Broncos P Riley Dixon. When Marquette King signed in Denver, he was on the trading block and NYG swooped in. Punter - ( New Window )
a 45.6 avg with a 40.2 Net with 23 out of 73 punts inside the 20.
Wing
44.1 avg and only 36.7 Net only 19 out of 95 inside the 20.
So not punting in Denver and only 1.5 yard avg less = nothing. Inside 20 is dependent on field position, so the Giants sucky 3 and out offense probably had Wing punting from the 30-35 yardline.
Net is as much a function of coverage and height and depth.
It is posted that his out of Denver is higher also. He also had less TB and Dixon only had 3 to his 9... Throw in he had 3 less FC despite having more punts also shows he isn't getting any height on the ball.
a 45.6 avg with a 40.2 Net with 23 out of 73 punts inside the 20.
Wing
44.1 avg and only 36.7 Net only 19 out of 95 inside the 20.
So not punting in Denver and only 1.5 yard avg less = nothing. Inside 20 is dependent on field position, so the Giants sucky 3 and out offense probably had Wing punting from the 30-35 yardline.
Net is as much a function of coverage and height and depth.
Net is a better determining stat than gross avg.
RE: RE: RE: Gettleman gave the Browns a fourth rounder Â
be trading a 4th rounder for a punter like he did in Carolina...
Andy Lee was a Pro Bowler and an All Pro. Not quite the same thing.
Dixon was 14th in average. His net isn't good, but that's because the Broncos special teams was really bad. They were right near the Giants in punt return average.
Most likely it's a conditional 7th round pick in 2019. He's on a rookie contract for 2 years. If he sucks it cost you basically nothing to cut him. If he doesn't you got your Punter for cheap.
be trading a 4th rounder for a punter like he did in Carolina...
Andy Lee was a Pro Bowler and an All Pro. Not quite the same thing.
Dixon was 14th in average. His net isn't good, but that's because the Broncos special teams was really bad. They were right near the Giants in punt return average.
Most likely it's a conditional 7th round pick in 2019. He's on a rookie contract for 2 years. If he sucks it cost you basically nothing to cut him. If he doesn't you got your Punter for cheap.
^^ this... his game against the Chargers where they had a good return for a TD lowered his average net return away. Otherwise on the road he averaged 41.7 net away from Denver
The Giants have two 7th round picks in next year's draft, the second being the Rams' seventh rounder, which they acquired as part of the Alec Ogletree trade.
Gettleman deals the 7th rounder he made St. Louis throw in with Ogletree. Makes him look pretty smart.
Also, I feel like the purpose of 7th round picks is to get dibs on a guy you will want in UDFA anyway. Since UDFAs all pretty much make the same money at their respective positions, my guess is the Giants are often confident they can convince any which one they want to come to the Big Apple and play for the most historically renowned organizations in football.
with their 5th round pick. Kid's gonna be a good one for a while. They still can and lose nothing if this deal is for a conditional 7th round pick next year.
The kid is a good player . He does not get the yips when he’s backed up nor does he when he faces a crucial situation . He’s got the feisty, eat-shit demeanor displayed by Jennings , Landetta and Feagles . Looking at his stats, can’t figure out why Denver choose to go in another direction.
As noted above by Flair , Dodge was a choke artist . That’s the deal with him .
We're still 2nd on the waiver wire, and with what they've given King they're going to release him
It's for a conditional 7th round pick. So if he doesn't make the team, we probably don't send Denver the pick. Also, there's probably no cap hit if we cut him.
Wing lost games for the Giants with his shanks. Having a punter who does not shank could be one or two more wins per year. Get the kicker to not kick off out of bounds and you get one or two more wins.
COMBINE 2016
STRENGTHS
Good ratio of hang time to distance punted. Forced a whopping 40.8 percent (2014) and 42.4 percent (2015) fair catches over his last two seasons. Played with poise when pressure was coming. Able to dig low snaps off the turf. Able to control punts near end zone with just nine touchbacks over the last two years.
WEAKNESSES
Average leg strength. Punting average helped along by some bounce and roll punts. Dome kicker who showed some issues with wind at times when venturing outdoors.
Snacks just called out Benjamin Albright on Twitter Â
We're still 2nd on the waiver wire, and with what they've given King they're going to release him
I believe it has to do with the cap impact of cutting someone that is traded for versus claimed off waivers because in a waiver claim you are assuming the rest of the contract versus in a trade there are cap accelerations to the original team.
is a joke. Trading a conditional seventh is trading a draft asset? What a freaking clown
I have no issue with this trade, even if it wasn’t a conditional pick. I’d rather get a guy with some experience than go with a rookie like we did with Matt Dodge. I mean how often do you hit on a seventh rounder anyway. I can’t think of one aside from Bradshaw that has done much of anything for us the last several years.
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a 45.6 avg with a 40.2 Net with 23 out of 73 punts inside the 20.
Wing
44.1 avg and only 36.7 Net only 19 out of 95 inside the 20.
So not punting in Denver and only 1.5 yard avg less = nothing. Inside 20 is dependent on field position, so the Giants sucky 3 and out offense probably had Wing punting from the 30-35 yardline.
Net is as much a function of coverage and height and depth.
It is posted that his out of Denver is higher also. He also had less TB and Dixon only had 3 to his 9... Throw in he had 3 less FC despite having more punts also shows he isn't getting any height on the ball.
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a 45.6 avg with a 40.2 Net with 23 out of 73 punts inside the 20.
Wing
44.1 avg and only 36.7 Net only 19 out of 95 inside the 20.
So not punting in Denver and only 1.5 yard avg less = nothing. Inside 20 is dependent on field position, so the Giants sucky 3 and out offense probably had Wing punting from the 30-35 yardline.
Net is as much a function of coverage and height and depth.
Net is a better determining stat than gross avg.
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That year though with Carolina he averaged 49.1 yards a punt.
Lee only got through half that year (2016) before he went on injured reserve with a hamstring pull.
Then got cut before the '17 season, shortly after Gettleman was fired.
Bottom line, not a good trade, at all.
Oh I am not saying it was a good trade. Just saying that the player was one of the best punters in the league. This is not the same thing.
Andy Lee was a Pro Bowler and an All Pro. Not quite the same thing.
Dixon was 14th in average. His net isn't good, but that's because the Broncos special teams was really bad. They were right near the Giants in punt return average.
Most likely it's a conditional 7th round pick in 2019. He's on a rookie contract for 2 years. If he sucks it cost you basically nothing to cut him. If he doesn't you got your Punter for cheap.
Fell off? He went from 45.7 with a net 41.3 to 45.6 with a net of 40.2 ... that isn't really falling off. Wing was also making a lot more money
Based on this comment, it makes me wonder if the trade for a punter is a player for player trade?
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be trading a 4th rounder for a punter like he did in Carolina...
Andy Lee was a Pro Bowler and an All Pro. Not quite the same thing.
Dixon was 14th in average. His net isn't good, but that's because the Broncos special teams was really bad. They were right near the Giants in punt return average.
Most likely it's a conditional 7th round pick in 2019. He's on a rookie contract for 2 years. If he sucks it cost you basically nothing to cut him. If he doesn't you got your Punter for cheap.
^^ this... his game against the Chargers where they had a good return for a TD lowered his average net return away. Otherwise on the road he averaged 41.7 net away from Denver
The lack of knowing what they are talking about is so frustrating on this site. He is better than Wing and makes less. Do you understand now?
Don’t think they could until his physical. Should have signed King anyway
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good?
He's solid but you have to take into account that he was kicking in Denver.
he was very good at syracuse
Too much. Shit trade. Team is basically the Knicks. =)
Also, I feel like the purpose of 7th round picks is to get dibs on a guy you will want in UDFA anyway. Since UDFAs all pretty much make the same money at their respective positions, my guess is the Giants are often confident they can convince any which one they want to come to the Big Apple and play for the most historically renowned organizations in football.
Also, I feel like the purpose of 7th round picks is to get dibs on a guy you will want in UDFA anyway.
I feel the same. It's essentially a way to lock up your priority UDFAs.
Building a roster with Syracuse or BC players!
DG sucks!
Matt Dodge?
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. This isn't to argue a point, I'm legitimately curious.
Matt Dodge?
I shouldn't have asked.
As noted above by Flair , Dodge was a choke artist . That’s the deal with him .
It's for a conditional 7th round pick. So if he doesn't make the team, we probably don't send Denver the pick. Also, there's probably no cap hit if we cut him.
STRENGTHS
Good ratio of hang time to distance punted. Forced a whopping 40.8 percent (2014) and 42.4 percent (2015) fair catches over his last two seasons. Played with poise when pressure was coming. Able to dig low snaps off the turf. Able to control punts near end zone with just nine touchbacks over the last two years.
WEAKNESSES
Average leg strength. Punting average helped along by some bounce and roll punts. Dome kicker who showed some issues with wind at times when venturing outdoors.
Snacks is a savage, best/favorite player on this team
Dixon - ( New Window )
I believe it has to do with the cap impact of cutting someone that is traded for versus claimed off waivers because in a waiver claim you are assuming the rest of the contract versus in a trade there are cap accelerations to the original team.
I have no issue with this trade, even if it wasn’t a conditional pick. I’d rather get a guy with some experience than go with a rookie like we did with Matt Dodge. I mean how often do you hit on a seventh rounder anyway. I can’t think of one aside from Bradshaw that has done much of anything for us the last several years.
Building a roster with Syracuse or BC players!
DG sucks!
So were taking Landry.