fit with Bosa. There was no need to worry but Chubb is not as talented as Joey. He’s a good player . He will work in any defensive front . He’s not my choice at 2 but maybe a little later . The Giants could use him just as they could a great corner or safety . This notion that their cup overfloweth with defensive talent is a stretch, And they need a pass rusher.
Chubb IMHO is on the same Tier as Von Miller, Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack. All great football players and prospects coming out. Clowney and Garrett are ultra great athletes at their size and position, but neither was a great football player coming out and I honestly think Chubb can be better than both which is huge because both Garrett and Clowney are studs. He is IMO easily a better EDGE prospect than Dante Fowler, Dion Jordan, Ziggy Ansah, Anthony Barr, Vic Beasley, Leonard Floyd and Solomon Thomas...
I would be very happy with Chubb at the 2nd overall pick... Â
think that if Cleveland goes Allen or Barkley the Giants will take Darnold. I definitely could be wrong but that would be a big pass to make. I don’t see Chubb without a trade down. Again this is just my guess, which is completely worthless.
No doubt about it. To me it comes down who is the number 1 qb on the giants board. If they love darnold and he goes 1 you can’t just take allen because you need a qb. You take Barkley in that case. Barkley is far and away the most talented player in the draft and probably the best running back to come out since AP. Barkley is a much better receiver than ap. The team that drafts Barkley can move him out to wr a lot of the time if they have a competent backup.
Guy has yet to register 10 sacks in a season. he has 20 total in 4 seasons.
Dude just made the All-Pro team this past season and is a legit top 5-10 DE who can play anywhere in the front 7 of a defense and can play both the run and pass... do 10 sack seasons mean everything to you in your opinion?
Nothing in that write up solidifies that he's worth a 2 overall to me Â
If anything, it illustrates the gap in talent between Chubb and players like Bosa and reiterates the "very good, not great" assessment. Cam Jordan is a fine player, not a franchise changer.
If anything, it illustrates the gap in talent between Chubb and players like Bosa and reiterates the "very good, not great" assessment. Cam Jordan is a fine player, not a franchise changer.
That's how I see Chubb too. Very good but not great and I want a franchise QB or a great non QB @#2.
In fact if DG trades down to 4 or 5, I'd rather have Nelson as I think he's more likely to be great and a better pro.
Chubb doesn't have generational transformational peak value intangible proactive synergist high energy paradigm shifter written all over him like Barkley.
Chubb doesn't have generational transformational peak value intangible proactive synergist high energy paradigm shifter written all over him like Barkley.
Chubb doesn't have generational transformational peak value intangible proactive synergist high energy paradigm shifter written all over him like Barkley.
He is much quicker than Cam Jordan (who projected as a 34 DE). I think he's a great fit for the Giants who just do not have any semblance of a pass rush.
I've read he is not fit a perfect fit for a 3-4. If you get a player wiht your 2nd or 4th pick, he should be a perfect fit or take a QB. BBI posters saying "don't worry" doesn't alleviate my worry. He's not worth it that high if the giants aren't going 4-3. Go with the QB.
Chubb doesn't have generational transformational peak value intangible proactive synergist high energy paradigm shifter written all over him like Barkley.
Haha - draft can’t get here soon enough!
I think Chubb will be a better player than people give him credit for Â
He reminds me a lot of Terrell Suggs actually. He's improved quite a lot from last year to this year and I think he'll continue getting better given his work ethic and ceiling.
I'd prefer Chubb to Barkley just because a stud edge rusher is difficult to find and when drafting a running back, you don't benefit from the rookie scale wages in the same way as you do for QB or edge rusher. I'm not buying the generational player hype with Barkley. I think he'll be very, very good but generational is statistically unlikely.
For the sake of this post, I'll operate under the assumption that Darnold goes 1 and the Giants don't see a franchise qb amongst the remaining 3 guys. Barkley, Chubb and Nelson are the consensus top 3 non-qb prospects for the most part. It's a very shallow pass rusher draft and very deep RB and Guard draft. If the Giants go edge rusher, RB, guard in the first 3 rounds with 3 of their 4 picks than the best haul in my opinion looks like:
1. Chubb
2. Wynn
3. Penny or Hynes
or
1. Chubb
2. Michel
3. Braden Smith
Compare that to:
1. Barkley
2. Wynn
3. Okoronkwo
or
1. Barkley
2. Lorenzo Carter
3. Braden Smith
Barkley would have to be worlds better as a player than Chubb to justify that. Maybe he will be as I'm certainly not as qualified as Gettlemen to make that judgement but it just seems unlikely to me.
Note: I'm just using guys projected to go in that range, could substitute any others at the same position to make the same point
He is much quicker than Cam Jordan (who projected as a 34 DE). I think he's a great fit for the Giants who just do not have any semblance of a pass rush.
Bosa was explosive at the combine. That doesn't really fit Chubb, and his 3-cone time seems to indicate that he doesn't have the same kind of quickness. That intial burst or first step is what usually translates well and is the separation between good pass rushers and special ones IMO.
He is much quicker than Cam Jordan (who projected as a 34 DE). I think he's a great fit for the Giants who just do not have any semblance of a pass rush.
Bosa was explosive at the combine. That doesn't really fit Chubb, and his 3-cone time seems to indicate that he doesn't have the same kind of quickness. That intial burst or first step is what usually translates well and is the separation between good pass rushers and special ones IMO.
Another player Chubb reminds me of is Everson Griffen who also had concerns coming out about his explosiveness (didn't run 3 cone at the combine but his pro day # was very close to Chubb's). Griffen was a late bloomer at the pro level but has certainly been one of the top DE's in the game the past couple of years.
Would we be happy with Everson Griffen's production over the past 4 years for the duration of Chubb's career at 2? I would be (depending on what Barkley and the 3 remaining QB's become) given what Chubb brings from an intensity perspective which can change the culture of the defense. I'm just unsure of the fit if they play a 3-4 for the majority of the time.
Extremely productive but not all that athletic and not a physical freak like Clowney and Garrett were/are. Still, I think Chubb is going to be a perennial 8-12 sack guy.
my comparison for him is Saints defensive end Cam Jordan. Â
it is important to note that he was sculpted in college to be a lineman. There is no reason to believe that he couldn't lose a little bulk if he were switching to the 3/4 edge, and improve his quickness while doing so.
I still think there is a great chance we trade down. Getting Chubb or Nelson around #5 would be terrific--and likely. In the unlikely event they are both gone, we get Barkley or a qb at a much better price. Maybe even get a second trade down to #7 or so. The extra picks could be used in later trade-ups and fill a couple of holes this year--rb, cb, and edge rusher.
3 Cone was decent vs. rest of DL field at combine. Top three guys were 6.84 (Hubbard - Ohio St. my god) 7.12, and 7.20. Chubb timed at 7.37.
I'm not so worried about the fit, because I have to believe that everyone is on board in how he would be used.
Gettleman seems like someone who takes consideration into what everyone thinks, especially bettcher.
Going to be an interesting draft
100% agree
To be where he is in the conversation with the other names on that list is just fine.
Dude just made the All-Pro team this past season and is a legit top 5-10 DE who can play anywhere in the front 7 of a defense and can play both the run and pass... do 10 sack seasons mean everything to you in your opinion?
If you want to obsess over stats go follow baseball. When will people understand football isn’t about stats.
That's how I see Chubb too. Very good but not great and I want a franchise QB or a great non QB @#2.
In fact if DG trades down to 4 or 5, I'd rather have Nelson as I think he's more likely to be great and a better pro.
LOL
That would be a very long tatoo.
Or the RB.
He is second only to Chandler Jones in TFLs.
Haha - draft can’t get here soon enough!
I'd prefer Chubb to Barkley just because a stud edge rusher is difficult to find and when drafting a running back, you don't benefit from the rookie scale wages in the same way as you do for QB or edge rusher. I'm not buying the generational player hype with Barkley. I think he'll be very, very good but generational is statistically unlikely.
For the sake of this post, I'll operate under the assumption that Darnold goes 1 and the Giants don't see a franchise qb amongst the remaining 3 guys. Barkley, Chubb and Nelson are the consensus top 3 non-qb prospects for the most part. It's a very shallow pass rusher draft and very deep RB and Guard draft. If the Giants go edge rusher, RB, guard in the first 3 rounds with 3 of their 4 picks than the best haul in my opinion looks like:
1. Chubb
2. Wynn
3. Penny or Hynes
or
1. Chubb
2. Michel
3. Braden Smith
Compare that to:
1. Barkley
2. Wynn
3. Okoronkwo
or
1. Barkley
2. Lorenzo Carter
3. Braden Smith
Barkley would have to be worlds better as a player than Chubb to justify that. Maybe he will be as I'm certainly not as qualified as Gettlemen to make that judgement but it just seems unlikely to me.
Note: I'm just using guys projected to go in that range, could substitute any others at the same position to make the same point
Bosa was explosive at the combine. That doesn't really fit Chubb, and his 3-cone time seems to indicate that he doesn't have the same kind of quickness. That intial burst or first step is what usually translates well and is the separation between good pass rushers and special ones IMO.
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He is much quicker than Cam Jordan (who projected as a 34 DE). I think he's a great fit for the Giants who just do not have any semblance of a pass rush.
Bosa was explosive at the combine. That doesn't really fit Chubb, and his 3-cone time seems to indicate that he doesn't have the same kind of quickness. That intial burst or first step is what usually translates well and is the separation between good pass rushers and special ones IMO.
Another player Chubb reminds me of is Everson Griffen who also had concerns coming out about his explosiveness (didn't run 3 cone at the combine but his pro day # was very close to Chubb's). Griffen was a late bloomer at the pro level but has certainly been one of the top DE's in the game the past couple of years.
Would we be happy with Everson Griffen's production over the past 4 years for the duration of Chubb's career at 2? I would be (depending on what Barkley and the 3 remaining QB's become) given what Chubb brings from an intensity perspective which can change the culture of the defense. I'm just unsure of the fit if they play a 3-4 for the majority of the time.
I still think there is a great chance we trade down. Getting Chubb or Nelson around #5 would be terrific--and likely. In the unlikely event they are both gone, we get Barkley or a qb at a much better price. Maybe even get a second trade down to #7 or so. The extra picks could be used in later trade-ups and fill a couple of holes this year--rb, cb, and edge rusher.