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If the Giants trade down to 4 and take a QB, what do you

wgenesis123 : 4/21/2018 8:39 am
want next? Going with the assumption that pick 33 and 35 are part of the trade. I want to see more trades getting some extra picks for 2019. I would like to see the Giants set up to deal for extra picks each year in the draft while taking one or more players in each round. 2nd round picks can be accumulated with day two trades because as future picks they only have 3rd round value. The Giants have an extra pick in round 3 also and if they trade down with one of the 3rd round picks they may be able to really load up for 2019. The catch is you have to make picks available that other GM's will want, that however should be less painfull each year as you accumulate more attractive picks that you never would have had. I think this would also prove to be very wise if the QB at 4 does not pan out. The Giants will have draft capitol to pursue another QB. This is what I am thinking but I highly doubt DG follows this path.
If we don't go QB at 4 ...  
robbieballs2003 : 4/21/2018 8:41 am : link
Chubb at 4, best OL and best CB because the value should be there and Kyle Lauletta.
First off that’s not enough to trade down  
Earl the goat : 4/21/2018 8:44 am : link
Would need pick 64 and a flip flop of picks 114 and 139 to do that trade
I hope you are right  
Mike from Ohio : 4/21/2018 8:46 am : link
And that is not the path DG follows. The point of the draft is to get talent, not bodies.
No talent----just bodies! Let me get this right now,  
wgenesis123 : 4/21/2018 9:06 am : link
you are saying that after pick 35 in round two there will only be bodies available to draft, no talent. I think you lack vision!
Well, we do need offensive linemen and there are a few that  
Ira : 4/21/2018 9:32 am : link
will be available in the 2nd round and maybe the third. Also we should get a running back in the 2nd day. A couple of defensive backs would be nice as well.
There is talent available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds  
Mike from Ohio : 4/21/2018 9:37 am : link
There is better talent available in th first. The guys with elite talent and production are available at the top of the first. If you trust the guys making the picks, trust them to get a true difference maker. If you don't trust the guys making the picks, you trade back and increase your odds some of the flawed players can fix those flaws in the NFL.

I want the Giants to draft a guy other teams game plan against, not a lineman that needs a year in an NFL weight room, a CB who needs to work on his ball skills, and a WR who has difficulty separating.
Giants  
Dragon : 4/21/2018 9:48 am : link
Are a team lacking talent in numerous positions one draft can’t fix half the holes on this team.
This is a fantasy, but it's a fun one...  
Milton : 4/21/2018 9:51 am : link
If the Browns have both a significant preference for one QB over the others and for Barkley over Chubb, I could see them wanting to trade up from #4 to #2 if they fear the Giants will take Barkley. And this could mean that Rosen falls into Big Blue's laps at #4. So there's a logic to it. Just barely.

So, using The Huddle Report Top 200 as my predictor of availability, here goes...
#04. QB Josh Rosen
#33. OG Will Hernandez
#34. CB Carlton Davis
#35. LB Lorenzo Carter
#66. OT Orlando Brown
#69. RB Kerryon Johnson
108. DS Armani Watts
139. WR Dylan Cantrell
OL, RB and LB  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2018 9:57 am : link
should be focal points after Round 1...
From Colin's Big board  
Eli Wilson : 4/21/2018 9:59 am : link
33 - Isiah Wynn - OG
34 - Sony Michel - RB
35 - Mike Hughes - CB
66 - Kemoko Turay - DE/EDGE
69 - Equanimeous St.Brown - WR
I would be a bit surprised if Will Hernadez makes it to 33 but and  
wgenesis123 : 4/21/2018 10:00 am : link
there is always a but with the draft, it could happen. People are talking about maybe 6 QB's going in round one. If that happens, someone has to slide to round two.
RE: From Colin's Big board  
robbieballs2003 : 4/21/2018 10:11 am : link
In comment 13923779 Eli Wilson said:
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33 - Isiah Wynn - OG
34 - Sony Michel - RB
35 - Mike Hughes - CB
66 - Kemoko Turay - DE/EDGE
69 - Equanimeous St.Brown - WR


That would be a homerun
If the Giants have decided to go QB  
Beer Man : 4/21/2018 10:11 am : link
they ain't trading back to 4.
RE: First off that’s not enough to trade down  
QB Snacks : 4/21/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13923735 Earl the goat said:
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Would need pick 64 and a flip flop of picks 114 and 139 to do that trade


This rationale is moronic
RE: If the Giants have decided to go QB  
Bruner4329 : 4/21/2018 10:19 am : link
In comment 13923789 Beer Man said:
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they ain't trading back to 4.


Bingo. Not sure what others thinking is. if you plan on taking a QB you take him with the number 2 pick. Not going to risk losing who you want.
RE: If the Giants have decided to go QB  
Big Blue '56 : 4/21/2018 10:25 am : link
In comment 13923789 Beer Man said:
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they ain't trading back to 4.


Agreed
What if  
George from PA : 4/21/2018 10:26 am : link
The player they wanted @2 is there @4?

Assume Allen, Barkley goes to Cleveland and the Jets take Mayfield/ Rosen

Darnold, Chubb and Nelson are available....

They were not going QB due to wanting to address more immediate needs.....but with the extra picks.

They feel more comfortable taking Darnold.
RE: RE: If the Giants have decided to go QB  
Milton : 4/21/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 13923792 Bruner4329 said:
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In comment 13923789 Beer Man said:


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they ain't trading back to 4.



Bingo. Not sure what others thinking is. if you plan on taking a QB you take him with the number 2 pick. Not going to risk losing who you want.
It depends. There could be reasons that you believe the QB you covet most won't be selected by either the Browns or Jets. You have to be convinced that your intel is correct, but if you are, it may be worth the perceived risk.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/21/2018 10:32 am : link
I think we stick @ 2 & take Darnold.
RE: If the Giants have decided to go QB  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/21/2018 11:57 am : link
In comment 13923789 Beer Man said:
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they ain't trading back to 4.
it would be a ridiculous move. If you want the QB, you take him at #2.
RE: ...  
AcidTest : 4/21/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13923804 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think we stick @ 2 & take Darnold.


Agreed.
RB, OL, DT  
idiotsavant : 4/21/2018 1:13 pm : link
33,34,35

Obviously order means nada in that particular scenario within the 33,34,35 ers.

I just think it's for right now (RB) and how you build teams (OL,DT)...which will also show immediately assuming those picks.

And when I say DT I mean DT not tweener or third down specialist.
Take Chubb at 4  
ghost718 : 4/21/2018 1:32 pm : link
Try and trade up and get a Safety,linebacker(Smith or Evans),or a tackle.Save the first pick of the 2nd round if possible,and select a center or guard.
RE: RE: From Colin's Big board  
est1986 : 4/21/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13923788 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13923779 Eli Wilson said:


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33 - Isiah Wynn - OG
34 - Sony Michel - RB
35 - Mike Hughes - CB
66 - Kemoko Turay - DE/EDGE
69 - Equanimeous St.Brown - WR



That would be a homerun


Grand Slam. That plus one of Rosen, Allen, Chubb, or Nelson at 4 would be insane.
33, 34, 35 plus one of the two third round picks...  
est1986 : 4/21/2018 2:45 pm : link
How far up does that get you? Has to get you into the top 10 right?? Chubb at 4? Nelson at 6? Will the colts take that? That would give them 5 straight picks at the top of the second which is crazy...
RE: RE: RE: If the Giants have decided to go QB  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13923801 Milton said:
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In comment 13923792 Bruner4329 said:


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In comment 13923789 Beer Man said:


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they ain't trading back to 4.



Bingo. Not sure what others thinking is. if you plan on taking a QB you take him with the number 2 pick. Not going to risk losing who you want.

It depends. There could be reasons that you believe the QB you covet most won't be selected by either the Browns or Jets. You have to be convinced that your intel is correct, but if you are, it may be worth the perceived risk.


It wouldn't be worth the risk to me. But if your GM has a set of brass balls he might. Dropping down and still getting Rosen to me at #4 would be my ideal scenario for Gmen...
RE: 33, 34, 35 plus one of the two third round picks...  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/21/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13923971 est1986 said:
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How far up does that get you? Has to get you into the top 10 right?? Chubb at 4? Nelson at 6? Will the colts take that? That would give them 5 straight picks at the top of the second which is crazy...


You aren't getting to 10 with that.
Its only Jets pick at 3 to worry about  
twostepgiants : 4/21/2018 4:00 pm : link
But how can anyone be convinced they are not taking Rosen over Mayfield?
RE: Its only Jets pick at 3 to worry about  
Eli Wilson : 4/21/2018 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13924072 twostepgiants said:
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But how can anyone be convinced they are not taking Rosen over Mayfield?


The Jets will have either Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield to choose from or Allen instead of Darnold.

Giants at 4 would have a choice of 2 of those 3, or go with Chubb/Nelson. That plus the players I listed above would make the trade a no-brainer, right?
If the Giants draft a QB with their first pick  
IIT : 4/22/2018 7:44 am : link
It will be at 2, not at 4. Why would you take any guy, when you can have your guy? It makes absolutely no sense. Either they have a QB in mind and they take him, or they forgo the QB to trade down.

RE: If the Giants draft a QB with their first pick  
Beer Man : 4/22/2018 11:35 am : link
In comment 13924711 IIT said:
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It will be at 2, not at 4. Why would you take any guy, when you can have your guy? It makes absolutely no sense. Either they have a QB in mind and they take him, or they forgo the QB to trade down.
Exactly. QB is not a position to get cute with. If the team is going QB and the one they want is on the board at 2, they take him without hesitation.
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