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If there is a trade down, which trade down is preferred

George from PA : 4/22/2018 5:04 am
We have heard from janitors, friend of a friend of a friend but we have confirmation that there have been conversations.

These were the ones that affect the Giants:

The 3-way. This one has peaked everyones interest when it was offered up...not all the details were given but The basics are the Giants end @ 4 with Buffalo going to 2 and Cleveland going to 12. The Giants getting the 22nd pick and possibly another pick. Cleveland getting lion's share of Buffalo's picks. It assume QBs going 1-2-3....so the Giants can chose from all the non-QBs....plus the "4th QB" and has another 1st rounder.*

The Barkley. This is a simple swap of 2 and 4 with Cleveland assuring Cleveland getting their QB and top non-QB which is assumed Barkley...but maybe Chubb with 2 QBs off the board. The Giants get both of Cleveland 2s....giving them the top 3 picks on Friday! @4 the Giant can get the "3rd" QB or Chubb or Nelson.*

*@4,the Giants can still trade down further as in-demand QBs remain.

The Buffalo haul. The 1st rumored trade, Buffalo desperate for a QB is willing to give both 1st, 2nd and 2019 1st plus possibly a 3rd....for the #2 pick. The Giants move to 12 out of range of the top guys but with enough ammo to trade back down for Nelson. Keep in mind Buffalo 2019 1st should be a top pick.

The #5...I have not heard of any specific deal with Denver and it's debatable if Denver even wants to trade up but their spot is perfect for Chubb, Nelson and less likely Barkley...as the Brown will get a non-QB @4.

Arizona and Miami are also rumored to attempt move ups but have less to give then Buffalo.

I would love to move back to the #4 as the Giants have more holes then picks. the 3-way will be tough to pull off but Cleveland has a major hole at LT which can be addressed @12 so this one can make sense for all 3 teams...the Giants getting Barkley @4 would be great! Would be my 1st choice. But I would forgo Barkley and pull off swap of 2 and 4 with Cleveland...as I love having the top 3 picks on day 2.

These are so out of character for the Giants and I totally understand drafting Darnold @2 10 minutes into draft, night basically over but for the entertainment value alone....I would love a trade down.

Thoughts?
Barkley while picking up picks  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/22/2018 5:52 am : link
And drafting Kyle Lauletta. Is my preferred.

Rosen while picking up picks would be my 1A and then drafting a stud RB in this draft later.
A picture of what the draft hauls could look like again including CLE  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/22/2018 6:11 am : link
Trade-down Options: These are the 3 teams that have been the most outspoken, rumored and/or reported to be the most interested in trading up. With Both Browns and Jets quite likely to go QB at #1 and #3, getting to the #2 spot assures that team any QB on their board except the one the Browns could pick at #1 . Now should the Browns not go QB at #1, the team that trades to our spot gets the pick of the ENTIRE litter. Bottomline, our pick is/will be extremely coveted.

The possible trade with Denver in this scenario keeps us in blue-chip territory but nets us one less pick. Buffalo at #12 is out of the top 10 and blue-chip country but they have an extra first rounder (22) to make up the difference. Just Top 3 (premium) rounds to keep it simple. A trade with Cleveland getting their 4 is also now in play.


*Multiple options listed at each draft slot to give an idea of positional value at need positions and to contemplate alternate scenarios


TRADE DOWN SCENARIO #1:TRADE WITH DENVER

GIANTS GIVE PICK #2
GIANTS GET PICKS #5,40,71 (1st round 2019)

ROUND 1 Pick 5
Options: LB Tremaine Edmunds, Quentin Nelson, Barkley (goes to Browns at #4), Minkah Fitzpatrick, Bradley Chubb
Choice: DE/Edge Bradley Chubb (4.65 speed, 270lbs 47 tackles for loss last 2 years, high character,high motor-JPP replacement)


Round 2 pick 2
Options: Will Hernandez OG, James Daniels,Billy Price, Ronnie Harrison, Ronald Jones, Sony Michel, Justin Reid
Choice: Will Hernandez OG (pure hog mollie mauler second only to Nelson in this draft with better feet than he looks)


Round 2 pick 8
Options:Lorenzo Carter,Kyle Lauletta, Frank Ragnow,Ronnie Harrison,Ronald Jones,Sony Michel,
Choice: RB Ronald Jones (multi-purpose back in Shurmur mold- consolation prize to losing out on Barkley)


ROUND 3 Pick 2
Options: Jessie Bates III, Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen, Leonard Davis, Kellen Ballage, Rashaad Penny
Choice: Jessie Bates III S. Giants ecstatic Bates falls this far. FS with true CF skills. Allows LC to play up and attacking line of scrimmage


ROUND 3 Pick 5
Options: Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen, Leonard Davis, Kellen Ballage, Rashaad Penny
Choice: Quentin Meeks- most cerebral CB with decent size, can play press or man and has size. Excellent instincts and anticipation.



ROUND 3 Pick 7
Options: Kyle Lauletta,Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen, Lorenzo Carter, Shaquem Griffin,Oren Burks, Darius Leonard
[b]Choice: QB Kyle Lauletta. Another coach on the field. Senior Bowl MVP. Outside the 1st round Qbs Giants paid most interest to him.
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TRADE DOWN SCENARIO #2:TRADE WITH BILLS

GIANTS GIVE PICK #2
GIANTS GET PICKS #12,22,53,56 (1st round 2019)

ROUND 1 Pick 12
Options: LB Tremaine Edmunds, Marcus Davenport, Roquan Smith, Jaire Alexander (highest potential shutdown CB in this draft), Derwin James (combo FS/Slot CB with size), McGlinchey
Choice: Derwin James (combo FS/slot CB with good size,fluid hips, and twitch)

ROUND 1 Pick 22
Options: G ISAIAH WYNN, Conor Williams, Jaire Alexander, Courtland Sutton, Leighton Van Der Esch,Rashaan Evans,Harold Landry(16.5 sacks JR year)
[b]Choice: Leighton VanDer Esch- Polished do it all LB (size,instincts, coverage, tackling)to complement of current group
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Round 2 pick 2
Options: Will Hernandez OG, James Daniels,Billy Price, Ronnie Harrison, Ronald Jones, Sony Michel
Choice: Ronald Jones (multi-purpose back in Shurmur mold- consolation prize to losing out on Barkley)

Round 2 pick 21
Options:Billy Price,Lorenzo Carter,Kyle Lauletta, Frank Ragnow,Justin Reid
Choice: Billy Price (plug and play at both OC and OG- drops this far due to torn pec)

ROUND 2 Pick 24
Options:Kyle Lauletta,Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen,Lorenzo Carter, Jessie Bates III
[b]Choice: Jessie Bates III S. Giants ecstatic Bates falls this far. FS with true CF skills. Allows LC to play up and attacking line of scrimmage
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ROUND 3 Pick 2
Options: Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen, Leonard Davis, Kellen Ballage, Rashaad Penny
Choice: QB Kyle Lauletta. Another coach on the field. Senior Bowl MVP. Outside the 1st round Qbs Giants paid most interest to him.

ROUND 3 Pick 5
Options: Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen, Leonard Davis, Kellen Ballage, Rashaad Penny
Choice: Quentin Meeks- most cerebral CB can play press or man and has size. Excellent instincts and anticipation.


TRADE DOWN SCENARIO #3: TRADE WITH JETS

*Based on last years Bears/49ers trade (where Bears moved up from 3 to 2 for a QB)

GIANTS GIVE PICK #2
GIANTS GET PICKS #3,72,107 (3rd round 2019)

ROUND 1 Pick 3
Options: LB Tremaine Edmunds, Quentin Nelson, Saquon Barkley , Minkah Fitzpatrick, Bradley Chubb, Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen
Choice: RB Saquon Barkley- Home-run threat in 3 phases: run ,pass and special teams. Giants get highest instant impact player in draft to make another run with Eli


Round 2 pick 2
Options: Will Hernandez OG, James Daniels,Billy Price, Ronnie Harrison, Ronald Jones, Sony Michel
Choice: Will Hernandez OG (pure hog mollie mauler second only to Nelson in this draft with better feet than he looks)


Round 3 pick 2
Options:Lorenzo Carter,Kyle Lauletta, Frank Ragnow ,Josh Sweat, Darius leonard
Choice:LB Lorenzo Carter -toolsy LB with size and speed in the Leonard Floyd mold


ROUND 3 Pick 7
Options: Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen, Leonard Davis, Kellen Ballage, Rashaad Penny
Choice: Quentin Meeks- most cerebral CB in draft class with decent size, can play press or man. Excellent instincts and anticipation.



ROUND 3 Pick 8
Options: Kyle Lauletta,Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen, Lorenzo Carter, Shaquem Griffin,Oren Burks, Darius Leonard
[b]Choice: QB Kyle Lauletta. Another coach on the field. Senior Bowl MVP. Outside the 1st round Qbs Giants paid most interest to him. insurance behind Webb once Eli retires with some upside.
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2019 3rd rd pick


TRADE DOWN SCENARIO #4:TRADE WITH BROWNS

GIANTS GIVE PICK #2
GIANTS GET PICKS #4,33,35 (2nd round 2019)


ROUND 1 Pick 4
Options: LB Tremaine Edmunds, Quentin Nelson, Barkley (goes to Browns at #2), Minkah Fitzpatrick, Bradley Chubb
Choice: DE/Edge Bradley Chubb (4.65 speed, 270lbs 47 tackles for loss last 2 years, high character,high motor-JPP replacement)

ROUND 2 pick 1
Options: Will Hernandez OG, Frank Ragnow C/G, Billy Price, Ronnie Harrison, Ronald Jones, Sony Michel, Isaiah Oliver, Justin Reid
Choice: Frank Ragnow (pure hog molly , plug and play year 1)

ROUND 2 pick 2
Options: Will Hernandez OG, James Daniels,Billy Price, Ronnie Harrison, Ronald Jones, Sony Michel
Choice: Sony Michel (multi-purpose back in Shurmur mold- consolation prize to losing out on Barkley)

ROUND 2 pick 3
Options: Kyle Lauletta, Ronnie Harrison, Isaiah Oliver, Justin Reid, Lorenzo Carter
Choice: Isaiah Oliver CB- one of my favorite CBs in this entire draft. Tremendous smarts,coverage ability, and very long arms. NFL Comp: Nnamdi Asomugha with the Raiders.

ROUND 3 Pick 2
Options:Kyle Lauletta,Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen,Lorenzo Carter, Jessie Bates III
Choice: Jessie Bates III S. Giants ecstatic Bates falls this far. FS with true CF skills. Allows LC to play up and attacking line of scrimmage

ROUND 3 Pick 5
Options: Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen, Leonard Davis, Kellen Ballage, Rashaad Penny
Choice: QB Kyle Lauletta. Another coach on the field. Senior Bowl MVP. Outside the 1st round Qbs Giants paid most interest to him.




TRADE DOWN SCENARIO #5: 3-WAY TRADE WITH BROWNS AND BILLS + 2nd TRADE WITH DENVER

Cleveland goes from 1 to 2 (3000-2600=400 pts owed)
Cleveland goes from 4 to 12 (1800-1200=600 pts owed)
Cleveland total=1000pts owed

NY goes from 2 to 4 (2600-1800=800pts owed)
NY total=800pts owed

So NY goes to 4 and gets 22 (22=780pts pts)
And Cleveland goes to 2 and 12 and gets 53+ 56+ 65 ( 370+ 340+265 pts=975 pts) and 2019 1st rd pick

As for why this could work:

Strategic Trade Down while still drafting BPA. Yesterdayís 3-team trade rumor has me intrigued because it is win for all 3 teams. Buffalo seems to be willing to trade away the farm to move up for a QB. The Giants seems to be open to a small trade down (not 12) and The Browns 2 biggest needs are QB and LT. They will get the QB with their 1st pick but their 2nd @ 4 is too early for McGlinchey, possibly the best LT in the draft (or Connor Williams/Kolton Miller), so I understand why moving to 12 is not such a bad ideaÖÖand getting a ton of extra picks.



GIANTS GIVE PICK #2
GIANTS GET PICKS #4,22 (3rd round 2019)

GIANTS GIVE PICK #4
GIANTS GET PICKS #5,70,113

ROUND 1 Pick 5
Options: LB Tremaine Edmunds, Quentin Nelson, Saquon Barkley , Minkah Fitzpatrick, Bradley Chubb, Rosen (if he gets past Jets)
Choice: RB Saquon Barkley- QBs go 1-2-3-4 for the first time in draft history. Giants beneficiary of a double trade down and still get top non-QB in entire draft. Home-run threat in 3 phases: run ,pass and special teams. Giants get highest instant impact player in draft to make another run with Eli

ROUND 1 Pick 22
Options: G ISAIAH WYNN, Conor Williams, Jaire Alexander, Courtland Sutton, Leighton Van Der Esch,Rashaan Evans,Harold Landry(16.5 sacks JR year), Isaiah Oliver CB, LT/RT Kolton Miller, James Daniels, Will Hernandez
[b]Choice: OG ISAIAH Wynn- Not quite the pure mauler Willie is but better all around versatility and can play multiple spots on OL at high level
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Round 2 pick 2
Options: Will Hernandez OG, James Daniels,Billy Price, Ronnie Harrison, Ronald Jones, Sony Michel, Isaiah Oliver CB, Justin Reid FS
Choice: Isaiah Oliver CB- one of my favorite CBs in this entire draft. Tremendous smarts,coverage ability, and very long arms. NFL Comp: Nnamdi Asomugha with the Raiders.


Round 3 pick 2
Options:Lorenzo Carter,Kyle Lauletta, Frank Ragnow ,Josh Sweat, Darius leonard
Choice:LB Lorenzo Carter -toolsy LB with size and speed in the Leonard Floyd mold , edge rushing potential as well


ROUND 3 Pick 5
Options: Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen, Leonard Davis, Kellen Ballage, Rashaad Penny, Kemeko Turay
Choice: EDGE Kemeko Turay- Pass rusher oozing with potential. Blocked 3 kicks and had 7.5 sacks (as a freshman!)



ROUND 3 Pick 6
Options: Kyle Lauletta,Quentin Meeks,Shaquem Griffen, Lorenzo Carter, Shaquem Griffin,Oren Burks, Darius Leonard
Choice: QB Kyle Lauletta- Another coach on the field. Senior Bowl MVP. Outside the 1st round Qbs Giants paid most interest to him. insurance behind Webb once Eli retires with some upside.


2019 3rd rd pick


Why are you including Clevelands 1st?  
George from PA : 4/22/2018 6:29 am : link
The only way Cleveland gives up the #1 pick....and move to 2....is if they are assured of not losing their pick.....they are not risking losing their QB....not after Wentz and Watson.

So really the 3 way trade is for Giants 2 and Cleveland 4....and Buffalo picks....
It get them more in the trade with Buff  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/22/2018 6:34 am : link
And gets them a slightly lower pay slot at 2. Buffalo is the team desperate here to get a top pick and willing to give up quite a bit.

It can be done with assurances of who they will pick. It was also what one of the rumors/reports stated.
For me it is 1. Darnold & 2. Barkley..  
Sean : 4/22/2018 6:46 am : link
So trading down really doesnít entice me all that much. Iím not passing on Darnold under any circumstances. Iíll only pass on Barkley if NYG can get Chubb or Nelson and a big haul.
What is the story with the wife of the owner of Buffalo?  
George from PA : 4/22/2018 6:50 am : link
She just admitted on the NFL network the desire of using their picks to trade up for a QB.

Traveling around meeting the QB choices....while admitting to knowing nothing....no idea what she is watching on film and totally relying on Bradon Beane.

During a time....when everyone holding their cards tight to the vest.....there she is....out in the open admitting desire to trade up.....
RE: What is the story with the wife of the owner of Buffalo?  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/22/2018 6:55 am : link
In comment 13924684 George from PA said:
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She just admitted on the NFL network the desire of using their picks to trade up for a QB.

Traveling around meeting the QB choices....while admitting to knowing nothing....no idea what she is watching on film and totally relying on Bradon Beane.

During a time....when everyone holding their cards tight to the vest.....there she is....out in the open admitting desire to trade up.....


They have been the most outspoken from the beginning. They have been making it clear they are willing to give up the farm for a top pick. They have the draft capital to do it too.
RE: For me it is 1. Darnold & 2. Barkley..  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/22/2018 6:57 am : link
In comment 13924683 Sean said:
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So trading down really doesnít entice me all that much. Iím not passing on Darnold under any circumstances. Iíll only pass on Barkley if NYG can get Chubb or Nelson and a big haul.


So would you take Chubb and 2 2nd rd picks over Barkley?
I like the trade with  
section125 : 4/22/2018 7:06 am : link
Cleveland to #4 with the extra rnd 2 picks if there is a trade.

I'd much prefer to stay at 2 and draft either Brakley or Rosen.
RE: RE: For me it is 1. Darnold & 2. Barkley..  
Sean : 4/22/2018 7:18 am : link
In comment 13924690 Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx said:
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So trading down really doesnít entice me all that much. Iím not passing on Darnold under any circumstances. Iíll only pass on Barkley if NYG can get Chubb or Nelson and a big haul.



So would you take Chubb and 2 2nd rd picks over Barkley?


Thatís a scenario that would be tough to pass up, but I really like Barkley and think heís the best player in the draft.
I agree Sean  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/22/2018 7:22 am : link
Which is why one of my favorite draft scenarios is the 3 way with Cleveland or swap with Jets. Small enough trade downs to still get Barkley while getting more picks. Maximized value.
RE: RE: For me it is 1. Darnold & 2. Barkley..  
gggggggmen : 4/22/2018 7:36 am : link
In comment 13924690 Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx said:
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So trading down really doesnít entice me all that much. Iím not passing on Darnold under any circumstances. Iíll only pass on Barkley if NYG can get Chubb or Nelson and a big haul.



So would you take Chubb and 2 2nd rd picks over Barkley?



In a second.

In regards to their level of "eliteness" Chubb, Barkley and add in Nelson for that matter, all seem to be in the same category. In this draft alone, if you don't get a Barkley or Nelson, there are high impact players available at each of those positions later in the draft. As for Edge Rushers, its very shallow. Being that we have a hole at each of these positions, the best move would be to trade back and get Nelson while using the other assets acquired to get a RB and Guard.

Using the Cleveland trade scenario, 2 for 4, 33, 35, which scenario would you rater have -

Do not do trade - Take Barkley at 2.

Do trade - Take Chubb at 4, Hernandez at 33, Michel at 35, not counting the rest of the picks

Give me the trio any day.
**Take Chubb, not Nelson**  
gggggggmen : 4/22/2018 7:38 am : link
In comment 13924707 gggggggmen said:
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So trading down really doesnít entice me all that much. Iím not passing on Darnold under any circumstances. Iíll only pass on Barkley if NYG can get Chubb or Nelson and a big haul.



So would you take Chubb and 2 2nd rd picks over Barkley?




In a second.

In regards to their level of "eliteness" Chubb, Barkley and add in Nelson for that matter, all seem to be in the same category. In this draft alone, if you don't get a Barkley or Nelson, there are high impact players available at each of those positions later in the draft. As for Edge Rushers, its very shallow. Being that we have a hole at each of these positions, the best move would be to trade back and get Nelson while using the other assets acquired to get a RB and Guard.

Using the Cleveland trade scenario, 2 for 4, 33, 35, which scenario would you rater have -

Do not do trade - Take Barkley at 2.

Do trade - Take Chubb at 4, Hernandez at 33, Michel at 35, not counting the rest of the picks

Give me the trio any day.
I think there are going to be a lot of disappointed people  
ZogZerg : 4/22/2018 7:53 am : link
on BBI Thursday night when the Giants keep the pick and select a player. Especially a player that isn't a QB that folks feel the Giants could have taken a little lower.

RE: RE: RE: For me it is 1. Darnold & 2. Barkley..  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/22/2018 8:00 am : link
In comment 13924707 gggggggmen said:
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So trading down really doesnít entice me all that much. Iím not passing on Darnold under any circumstances. Iíll only pass on Barkley if NYG can get Chubb or Nelson and a big haul.



So would you take Chubb and 2 2nd rd picks over Barkley?




In a second.

In regards to their level of "eliteness" Chubb, Barkley and add in Nelson for that matter, all seem to be in the same category. In this draft alone, if you don't get a Barkley or Nelson, there are high impact players available at each of those positions later in the draft. As for Edge Rushers, its very shallow. Being that we have a hole at each of these positions, the best move would be to trade back and get Nelson while using the other assets acquired to get a RB and Guard.

Using the Cleveland trade scenario, 2 for 4, 33, 35, which scenario would you rater have -

Do not do trade - Take Barkley at 2.

Do trade - Take Chubb at 4, Hernandez at 33, Michel at 35, not counting the rest of the picks

Give me the trio any day.


If the rumors are true then Nelson/Chubb +33,35 would be tough to pass up over Barkley unless we secretly wanted the franchise QB all along.
Zog....you know it!  
George from PA : 4/22/2018 8:00 am : link
10 min into draft....Giants draft X

Night is over

Most of us still getting the pizza
The trade scenario that I favor:  
Big Blue '56 : 4/22/2018 8:01 am : link
The Browns get our 2, we get their 4, 33 and 35. Anything more than that is a bonus for us.

Otherwise, stay put
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx  
dk in TX : 4/22/2018 8:03 am : link
Great job. "A" for clarity and formatting. Besides, I love a lot of picks.
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx  
dk in TX : 4/22/2018 8:04 am : link
Great job. "A" for clarity and formatting. Besides, I love a lot of you picks.

Sorry.
If we can guarantee Darnold or Rosen at 4 - I pick trading down to 4  
TD : 4/22/2018 8:17 am : link
Ideally for Clevelandís 33 and 35.
I like almost all of the scenarios  
Archer : 4/22/2018 9:12 am : link
However, I would not draft a QB after the First 4 picks
For the Giants to pass on a QB they must have confidence in Webb

The Giants could use more help on the OL and a big receiver

RE: I think there are going to be a lot of disappointed people  
Jay in Toronto : 4/22/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 13924718 ZogZerg said:
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on BBI Thursday night when the Giants keep the pick and select a player. Especially a player that isn't a QB that folks feel the Giants could have taken a little lower.


good point. I'm working on not being disappointed.
Trading back with the Bills is a shit scenario  
UConn4523 : 4/22/2018 9:19 am : link
just too far away from the top players. Trading back into the top 10 from there isnít a guarantee and would require us to give up a lot of what we would have gotten in a trade down, I really donít see how itís worth it.

Iím fine dropping back to 5 at the most.
RE: Trading back with the Bills is a shit scenario  
Sean : 4/22/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13924794 UConn4523 said:
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just too far away from the top players. Trading back into the top 10 from there isnít a guarantee and would require us to give up a lot of what we would have gotten in a trade down, I really donít see how itís worth it.

Iím fine dropping back to 5 at the most.


I agree. I also think so many fans fail to realize 2 parties are required to agree on a trade. So many people assume Denver wants to pony up and trade with NYG, but Iíd bet if you read the Broncos forum their fans want to trade down and accumulate picks as well. I see no evidence to suggest Denver wants to trade up to 2 or Cleveland for that matter.
Iíd like Buf or Cle trade  
WillVAB : 4/22/2018 10:19 am : link
Buf trade needs to include Ď19 first rounder. If so, then the Giants should jump on that bc theyíd be getting a bunch of quality picks this year plus a potential top 5 pick in Ď19. DG said in his presser you have to think about the short and long term as a GM. This type of move would serve that dual purpose.

The Cleveland trade would be my second choice, but definitely better than staying at 2. Guarantees top non QB prospect, then they get to start the 2nd round with a chance at 3 quality players.
RE: If we can guarantee Darnold or Rosen at 4 - I pick trading down to 4  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/22/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 13924740 TD said:
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Ideally for Clevelandís 33 and 35.


If we trade them #2 and they go Allen or less likely Mayfield with one of the picks, you would get your wish.
RE: Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx  
Boy Cord : 4/22/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 13924731 dk in TX said:
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Great job. "A" for clarity and formatting. Besides, I love a lot of picks.


Seriously. Nice work. I want a trade down and lots of picks. The Bills trade absolutely has to have their 2019 first. Broncos the same as they donít have as much to give this year.
If we forego a QB  
UConn4523 : 4/22/2018 10:58 am : link
itís also entirely possible Denver has 2 QBs to choose from at 5 - I wouldnít want to trade up to 2 if I were them.
Nice analysis  
Biteymax22 : 4/22/2018 11:04 am : link
Totally feel a trade down may be our best move.

One thing I noticed, your description of Kyle Lauletta looks exactly like that of Davis Webb last year and you hvae us drafting him in the same spot. Why have 2 of the same guy on your roster.
RE: Nice analysis  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/22/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13924937 Biteymax22 said:
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Totally feel a trade down may be our best move.

One thing I noticed, your description of Kyle Lauletta looks exactly like that of Davis Webb last year and you hvae us drafting him in the same spot. Why have 2 of the same guy on your roster.


Lauletta has some similarities but is nowhere near the same QB. He also is the guy we have heard the most reports about linked to the Giants outside the top 4 and seems to fit almost all the criteria they look for.
I like the Cleveland to #4 trade  
PatersonPlank : 4/22/2018 11:32 am : link
We still get a top player like Nelson, and then we get the 1st three picks of the 2nd round. That could be huge. If we can throw in Flowers maybe we get even more.
The Browns 4th...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/22/2018 12:51 pm : link
... plus 33 and 35.
DG was happy  
Thegratefulhead : 4/22/2018 12:55 pm : link
He is holding all the cards in this draft. he is dealing from a total position of strength and the longer he waits the greater the leverage. I think we trade down twice when all is said and done. Cleveland wants Barkley and their QB bad. They have the assets to give up. Cleveland will overpay for our 2, not sure what that will look like but it think that happens. I think the Bills are QB desperate, I think they will overpay the pick we acquire from Cleveland. Not sure what that looks like exactly eaither, but I know DG will sitting at that pick with a fuckton of leverage on the Bills and whoever else is QB desperate. 2 of the best QBs will be gone and Saquon. They will need to overpay the Giants or someone else will overpay for a QB here. I think there is a chance to build a great team here. We could have ourselves a decent amount of young players all salary controlled for a few years. Maybe we do not need spend risky, high draft capital on a QB. We could sign the next free Agent QB that is a more known NFL commodity when we have a bunch of players and good value in other positions on the team from the haul. More picks does mitigate the risk. I just think we are going to be in unique position to hold a lot of leverage at least 2 times at the top of the draft. We could get 2 RGIII type hauls or sit and take a great player. It is a great place to be.
RE: DG was happy  
Reale01 : 4/22/2018 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13925051 Thegratefulhead said:
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He is holding all the cards in this draft. he is dealing from a total position of strength and the longer he waits the greater the leverage. I think we trade down twice when all is said and done. Cleveland wants Barkley and their QB bad. They have the assets to give up. Cleveland will overpay for our 2, not sure what that will look like but it think that happens. I think the Bills are QB desperate, I think they will overpay the pick we acquire from Cleveland. Not sure what that looks like exactly eaither, but I know DG will sitting at that pick with a fuckton of leverage on the Bills and whoever else is QB desperate. 2 of the best QBs will be gone and Saquon. They will need to overpay the Giants or someone else will overpay for a QB here. I think there is a chance to build a great team here. We could have ourselves a decent amount of young players all salary controlled for a few years. Maybe we do not need spend risky, high draft capital on a QB. We could sign the next free Agent QB that is a more known NFL commodity when we have a bunch of players and good value in other positions on the team from the haul. More picks does mitigate the risk. I just think we are going to be in unique position to hold a lot of leverage at least 2 times at the top of the draft. We could get 2 RGIII type hauls or sit and take a great player. It is a great place to be.


IMO - We are nuts if we do not take full advantage of this unique opportunity. This draft goes deep into round two by most accounts. There is no ONE player who is worth passing on the opportunity to land 3 or 4 picks in round two and three. Especially when a lot of the scenarios get us Chubb or Nelson and a couple get us Barkley.

For example: Would you trade: Chubb, Michael, Oliver, Hernandez for Darnold?
RE: RE: DG was happy  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/22/2018 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13925255 Reale01 said:
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He is holding all the cards in this draft. he is dealing from a total position of strength and the longer he waits the greater the leverage. I think we trade down twice when all is said and done. Cleveland wants Barkley and their QB bad. They have the assets to give up. Cleveland will overpay for our 2, not sure what that will look like but it think that happens. I think the Bills are QB desperate, I think they will overpay the pick we acquire from Cleveland. Not sure what that looks like exactly eaither, but I know DG will sitting at that pick with a fuckton of leverage on the Bills and whoever else is QB desperate. 2 of the best QBs will be gone and Saquon. They will need to overpay the Giants or someone else will overpay for a QB here. I think there is a chance to build a great team here. We could have ourselves a decent amount of young players all salary controlled for a few years. Maybe we do not need spend risky, high draft capital on a QB. We could sign the next free Agent QB that is a more known NFL commodity when we have a bunch of players and good value in other positions on the team from the haul. More picks does mitigate the risk. I just think we are going to be in unique position to hold a lot of leverage at least 2 times at the top of the draft. We could get 2 RGIII type hauls or sit and take a great player. It is a great place to be.



IMO - We are nuts if we do not take full advantage of this unique opportunity. This draft goes deep into round two by most accounts. There is no ONE player who is worth passing on the opportunity to land 3 or 4 picks in round two and three. Especially when a lot of the scenarios get us Chubb or Nelson and a couple get us Barkley.

For example: Would you trade: Chubb, Michael, Oliver, Hernandez for Darnold?


Franchise QB trumps everything when your team believes it is time to get one. The question is do we believe it is that time?

Eli has good football left but is in the waning part of his career. Rosen or Darnold would be hard to pass up.
I'd trade down to #4 and stay there if the Browns select Darnold #1  
Torrag : 4/22/2018 5:40 pm : link
We'll literally only lose out on one player in that scenario and it's likely to be Barkley . Then we take either Nelson/Chubb at #4 while fortifying our roster with several quality picks. I'm not completely sold on Chubb thriving in Bettcher's system and O-line is still the worst unit on our roster so personally I'd take the stud from ND.

Such a deal also allows DG some flexibility to move one of our 3rd's or early 4th rounder to move back up into the 1st Round targeting a player we may covet.
I keep thinking Barkley, then I think Adrian Peterson and how many..  
Shockwave : 4/22/2018 5:44 pm : link
titles were won with him...

That team seemingly had everything every year OTHER THAN A FRANCHISE QB. The one time they did have that QB is Brett Favre. If he did not throw that pick in the NFC title game with a minute or so left and just fucking run the thing. They would have gone to the SB and won most likely.
Not interested in getting Kyle Lauletta  
Bluesbreaker : 4/22/2018 6:44 pm : link
If were not going QB at #2 a trade down that nets us Barkley is the only one I agree with . I mean if we want a QB why go after scraps and miss out on possibly the best
player in the draft ? If we do go QB then give me a guy like Guice but the 3-way pick where we get Barkley at
#4 i best case scenario to me that would be great .
Take Darius Leonard over the QB I take it your high on this guy but it really doesn't make sense because there are always QB's you can take a chance on after round #1 .
Get another defender or take chance on a KR/WR like the kid from Pitt or another bigger type WR to compete opposite of OBJ . Great work George !
Everyone  
mattyblue : 4/22/2018 7:26 pm : link
seems to be willing to trade out of 2 for substantially less than we gave up for Eli 14(?) years ago. Why? Make them pay or pick someone special.
RE: RE: RE: DG was happy  
Reale01 : 4/22/2018 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13925347 Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx said:
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He is holding all the cards in this draft. he is dealing from a total position of strength and the longer he waits the greater the leverage. I think we trade down twice when all is said and done. Cleveland wants Barkley and their QB bad. They have the assets to give up. Cleveland will overpay for our 2, not sure what that will look like but it think that happens. I think the Bills are QB desperate, I think they will overpay the pick we acquire from Cleveland. Not sure what that looks like exactly eaither, but I know DG will sitting at that pick with a fuckton of leverage on the Bills and whoever else is QB desperate. 2 of the best QBs will be gone and Saquon. They will need to overpay the Giants or someone else will overpay for a QB here. I think there is a chance to build a great team here. We could have ourselves a decent amount of young players all salary controlled for a few years. Maybe we do not need spend risky, high draft capital on a QB. We could sign the next free Agent QB that is a more known NFL commodity when we have a bunch of players and good value in other positions on the team from the haul. More picks does mitigate the risk. I just think we are going to be in unique position to hold a lot of leverage at least 2 times at the top of the draft. We could get 2 RGIII type hauls or sit and take a great player. It is a great place to be.



IMO - We are nuts if we do not take full advantage of this unique opportunity. This draft goes deep into round two by most accounts. There is no ONE player who is worth passing on the opportunity to land 3 or 4 picks in round two and three. Especially when a lot of the scenarios get us Chubb or Nelson and a couple get us Barkley.

For example: Would you trade: Chubb, Michael, Oliver, Hernandez for Darnold?



Franchise QB trumps everything when your team believes it is time to get one. The question is do we believe it is that time?

Eli has good football left but is in the waning part of his career. Rosen or Darnold would be hard to pass up.


The problem is that there is NO WAY to guarantee a franchis QB. You still have Eli and a possibility with Webb. You CAN win with an average QB if the rest of your team is strong.
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