It doesn't have to be complex but please no BPA. Any knucklehead can go BPA and end up with 5 or 6 new running backs for the Giants. My preference for round one is trading down and getting Nelson or Chubb. If Cleveland takes Chubb with one of their picks, make it Barkley or Nelson. So if your taking a QB or Barkley at 2, what else are you doing with the remaining picks to improve the team? Your pick at 2 can limit the Giants this year and next year in improving the team. For example Barkley at 2, how are you going to solve the QB problem? You have limited picks and no ammo to go get a QB next year. Do you think Barkley makes Eli and Webb better for the next 2 to 4 years to solve that issue? If you go QB you also have very limited picks to improve the team but you have maybe solved the number one issue for the Giants. How will you build around your young QB this year and next? If you have thought these things out, I am interested in what you think. Please post it.
Fortify the OL in the draft. There should be good value to be had at OL.
Don’t trade down unless you are getting at least a first round pick in 2019.
1) take best QB in round one and then go ol, de, cb, fs, or rb as the value presents itself. More inclined for ol or cb if the value meets need and would even cluster draft ol men.
2) trade back and accumulate picks in 2018 and 2019. Go with the same needs as above and hope that one of the premier players drop a bit (Nelson, Chubb, Barkley)
The Giants, at #2, have the chance to come away with someone who can be a game changer. Forget trading down and take that chance on the player who they think can do that.
For me, it's Barkley, for others it is one of the QBs. Regardless, stay at #2 and take the chance.
If he’s gone, I want to build up the lines and be able to run the football. Barkley, Chubb or Nelson all excite me.
Need to grab a RB and an Interior O-lineman to continue to wake up the running game.
And add another CB (Eli Apple insurance) with the other early pick.
Can't fix everything as we still need to improve RT, FS and WR unless we get lucky with UDFA...
If I loved on of the QBs at the top of the draft and he was available at #2, I take him. For me, that is Darnold. If Cleveland takes him first, I take Barkley at #2. Either of them are guys you build your offense around, and there are other pieces there (OBJ, Shepherd, Solder, Engram). I would look to later draft picks this year to bolster the line with some competition. But as mentioned above, you can't force picks by position. If talent and need match up, an interior lineman, corner, free safety, and pass rusher would be my priorities going forward.
If the pick is QB at #2, it seems there will be some good talent available at the top of round 2 that I would look for to give Darnold more weapons which eases his transition and helps your line while you keep assembling those pieces.
Without any snacks this is a really unbalanced strategy.
The Giants, at #2, have the chance to come away with someone who can be a game changer. Forget trading down and take that chance on the player who they think can do that.
For me, it's Barkley, for others it is one of the QBs. Regardless, stay at #2 and take the chance.
You're assuming that Barkley is the only great player. Chubb and Nelson are on the same level. If a trade down to 5 or 6 is possible, then we do it and go BPA with one of those 3 which will set up the direction for the rest of the draft. Its a no brainer.
Their OL pocket collapsed and had outside turnstiles....a complete disaster.
I would try to pull off a 3 way trade....moving to 4 for 22 and extra 3rd.
(Buffalo getting 2....Cleveland going to 12 plus a slew of picks including 2019 1st)
Giants draft
@4 Barkely...a weapon keeps defense honest....
@22 Josh Jackson....
2nd hogmollie
Isiah Wynn or Tyrell Crosby
3 3rd rd
Raheem Green.
Billy Price....drops due to injury
Tre Flowers.
4th rd
Trent Thompson
5th
Marquez Valdes scantling....another possible weapon
Sign Dez to a one year prove it deal
Shumur/Shula and Bettcher do their magic.....and no more Quinn should improve special teams.
2. Daniels/Price/Wynn -- one of those three OL should be there
3. Braden Smith OG/OT
3. Darius Leonard LB
4. Royce Freeman RB
5. Tre'Quan Smith WR
I would trade down with Chubb as my target and Barkley as my fall back. So I don't think you can go lower than #5.
Compile as many picks as you can with at least a first or second rounder in the 2019 draft.
The 2nd and 3rd rounds should focus on OL, CB, and a RB. That's assuming we land Chubb with the 5th pick. If it's Barkley, then go DL along with OL and a CB.
That should set us up pretty well. I would also consider trading one of our 3rd, plus our 4th and 5th picks to move up into the top 50.
I would favour getting Cleveland's top third round picks, which will likely leave guys with a first round grade.
Where there is a real tie on grade I would prioritize OL, DB (esp free safety and nickel corner) and later on RB.
12 22 53 56 65 2019 1st
Not saying I would do it, but for the ambitious - With that haul, plus our original picks and the willingness of the Colts and Broncos, we could in theory move up twice for 2 blue chippers -
Colts get 22, 34, 69 for 6
Broncos get 12, 53, 104, 130 for 5
That would leave us with 5,6,56,65 allowing us to get 2 of Chubb/Nelson/Barkley
If he's gone, I'd be thrilled with Barkley.
If the team wants multiple players and believes in good quantity over a gold coat potential player trade out or down from pick 2.
12 22 53 56 65 2019 1st
Not saying I would do it, but for the ambitious - With that haul, plus our original picks and the willingness of the Colts and Broncos, we could in theory move up twice for 2 blue chippers -
Colts get 22, 34, 69 for 6
Broncos get 12, 53, 104, 130 for 5
That would leave us with 5,6,56,65 allowing us to get 2 of Chubb/Nelson/Barkley
I would go for more future picks for signability room this year and quality.
In Round Two, I am picking Will Hernandez if he falls. If not, give me Billy Price.
In Round Three, give me a RB (Penny preferably, Chubb, etc.) with the first pick, and then CB with the 2nd pick.
After the first two days of the draft and FA, we will then have added a new QB, RB, three new pieces along the OL, two new LBs (Ogletree and Martin), and a new CB). Why would we not be able to try to win now, while also having secured our QB for the future? And that is what I don't get. We can get a QB in Round 1 and still be considered to be giving Eli a chance to win now.
Without any snacks this is a really unbalanced strategy.
What would your BSA be???
Mine always would have tyo have chocolate (probably helps that I skip the beer).
We had a SB winning OC, DC, coaching, and QB problem the last 5 years obviously.
But I want it to be a quarterback he trusts:)
Thinking that the Giants do NOT have a QB problem is actually the false premise.
Even if you're too blind to see that Eli has played poorly the last couple of years...Eli is 37. I'm guessing that the list of 37 yr old QBs that have had bounce-back seasons after two crappy ones is a very short list...and it's entirely possible that no QB has ever had a career revival at 37. So yes, the Giants have a QB problem.
And since the QBs in next year's draft are not projected to be as strong as this year's class...combined with the likelihood that the Giants won't be picking near the top of the draft again...My draft strategy is trust the feedback you get from Shumur/Shula and pick the best QB at 2.
Then choose the best value in the remaining rounds, regardless of position.
If he's gone, I'd be thrilled with Barkley.
I think this is it. No need to overthink it.
But that's getting too cute, just run to the podium and pick Barkley already ffs.
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Is a false premise.
Thinking that the Giants do NOT have a QB problem is actually the false premise.
Even if you're too blind to see that Eli has played poorly the last couple of years...Eli is 37. I'm guessing that the list of 37 yr old QBs that have had bounce-back seasons after two crappy ones is a very short list...and it's entirely possible that no QB has ever had a career revival at 37. So yes, the Giants have a QB problem.
And since the QBs in next year's draft are not projected to be as strong as this year's class...combined with the likelihood that the Giants won't be picking near the top of the draft again...My draft strategy is trust the feedback you get from Shumur/Shula and pick the best QB at 2.
Then choose the best value in the remaining rounds, regardless of position.
The last two years the HC was a joke and the OL was horrible. And the new coach got to the NFC championship with Case Keenum. No, Eli can’t win all by himself like he did in 2011. But yes, he can be very effective if the running game is decent. Shurmur knows this fact.
Forcing picks is a horrible strategy.
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Is a false premise.
Thinking that the Giants do NOT have a QB problem is actually the false premise.
Even if you're too blind to see that Eli has played poorly the last couple of years...Eli is 37. I'm guessing that the list of 37 yr old QBs that have had bounce-back seasons after two crappy ones is a very short list...and it's entirely possible that no QB has ever had a career revival at 37. So yes, the Giants have a QB problem.
And since the QBs in next year's draft are not projected to be as strong as this year's class...combined with the likelihood that the Giants won't be picking near the top of the draft again...My draft strategy is trust the feedback you get from Shumur/Shula and pick the best QB at 2.
Then choose the best value in the remaining rounds, regardless of position.
The last two years the HC was a joke and the OL was horrible. And the new coach got to the NFC championship with Case Keenum. No, Eli can’t win all by himself like he did in 2011. But yes, he can be very effective if the running game is decent. Shurmur knows this fact.
Forcing picks is a horrible strategy.
You can make excuses for Eli all you want, but again, even if you're blind to his poor play for two years (not just last year) Eli is 37 and doesn't have much time left anyway.
And why is taking a QB at the top of the draft "forcing a pick"?
If the Giants made the trade with Buffalo then it's a virtual guarantee that QBs would go 1-2-3 in the draft.
Would all those teams be forcing a pick or would it be much more logical to assume that the QBs in this draft are considered worthy of being "top-of-the-draft" choices?
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Is a false premise.
Thinking that the Giants do NOT have a QB problem is actually the false premise.
Even if you're too blind to see that Eli has played poorly the last couple of years...Eli is 37. I'm guessing that the list of 37 yr old QBs that have had bounce-back seasons after two crappy ones is a very short list...and it's entirely possible that no QB has ever had a career revival at 37. So yes, the Giants have a QB problem.
And since the QBs in next year's draft are not projected to be as strong as this year's class...combined with the likelihood that the Giants won't be picking near the top of the draft again...My draft strategy is trust the feedback you get from Shumur/Shula and pick the best QB at 2.
Then choose the best value in the remaining rounds, regardless of position.
The last two years the HC was a joke and the OL was horrible. And the new coach got to the NFC championship with Case Keenum. No, Eli can’t win all by himself like he did in 2011. But yes, he can be very effective if the running game is decent. Shurmur knows this fact.
Forcing picks is a horrible strategy.
Eli wasnt the problem. Mac, the system and horrible OL play were.
With that said, Eli is 37. He has been a model of health but QBs generally start to slow down in their very late 30's. He likely has a couple more years left at championship level football (with right system /talent around him) as Accorsi said.
This makes QB still a potential smart move considering we are picking so high (rare occurance to be top 5) and there are quality to elite QBs this draft.
I can only see the other side of the coin with a rare player of Barkleys talent if they believe they can compete for a championship of they bypass QB with Elis 2-3 window. Perhaps they believe this.
They may also hedge their bet with a Lauletta type since this draft is super deep with toolsy QBs
delusional...
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Is a false premise.
Thinking that the Giants do NOT have a QB problem is actually the false premise.
Even if you're too blind to see that Eli has played poorly the last couple of years...Eli is 37. I'm guessing that the list of 37 yr old QBs that have had bounce-back seasons after two crappy ones is a very short list...and it's entirely possible that no QB has ever had a career revival at 37. So yes, the Giants have a QB problem.
And since the QBs in next year's draft are not projected to be as strong as this year's class...combined with the likelihood that the Giants won't be picking near the top of the draft again...My draft strategy is trust the feedback you get from Shumur/Shula and pick the best QB at 2.
Then choose the best value in the remaining rounds, regardless of position.
The last two years the HC was a joke and the OL was horrible. And the new coach got to the NFC championship with Case Keenum. No, Eli can’t win all by himself like he did in 2011. But yes, he can be very effective if the running game is decent. Shurmur knows this fact.
Forcing picks is a horrible strategy.
You can make excuses for Eli all you want, but again, even if you're blind to his poor play for two years (not just last year) Eli is 37 and doesn't have much time left anyway.
And why is taking a QB at the top of the draft "forcing a pick"?
If the Giants made the trade with Buffalo then it's a virtual guarantee that QBs would go 1-2-3 in the draft.
Would all those teams be forcing a pick or would it be much more logical to assume that the QBs in this draft are considered worthy of being "top-of-the-draft" choices?
To your point regardless of whether Eli still has it or not even if he does it wont by for too much longer. I beleive he has a solid 2-3 year window though.
If a guy has a franchise QB grade on the board he should be the pick. But if only one does and he goes 1st to the Browns it becomes either a smart move to go elsewhere or the Giants missed the boat grading some of these other QB prospects.
...we've got a jittery old QB that needs his pocket to calm down.
Seriously calm down.
It's time to find out if Eli has anything left in the gas tank.
We need to draft O-line early and often.
It will help Eli, help the run game and keep our defense on the sideline enjoying the view.
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Is a false premise.
Thinking that the Giants do NOT have a QB problem is actually the false premise.
Even if you're too blind to see that Eli has played poorly the last couple of years...Eli is 37. I'm guessing that the list of 37 yr old QBs that have had bounce-back seasons after two crappy ones is a very short list...and it's entirely possible that no QB has ever had a career revival at 37. So yes, the Giants have a QB problem.
And since the QBs in next year's draft are not projected to be as strong as this year's class...combined with the likelihood that the Giants won't be picking near the top of the draft again...My draft strategy is trust the feedback you get from Shumur/Shula and pick the best QB at 2.
Then choose the best value in the remaining rounds, regardless of position.
The last two years the HC was a joke and the OL was horrible. And the new coach got to the NFC championship with Case Keenum. No, Eli can’t win all by himself like he did in 2011. But yes, he can be very effective if the running game is decent. Shurmur knows this fact.
Forcing picks is a horrible strategy.
You can make excuses for Eli all you want, but again, even if you're blind to his poor play for two years (not just last year) Eli is 37 and doesn't have much time left anyway.
And why is taking a QB at the top of the draft "forcing a pick"?
If the Giants made the trade with Buffalo then it's a virtual guarantee that QBs would go 1-2-3 in the draft.
Would all those teams be forcing a pick or would it be much more logical to assume that the QBs in this draft are considered worthy of being "top-of-the-draft" choices?
To your point regardless of whether Eli still has it or not even if he does it wont by for too much longer. I beleive he has a solid 2-3 year window though.
What have you seen in Eli's play over the last few years that makes you think he has "a solid 2-3 year window" (which I assume you mean of good play)?
He hasn't played well for years. He's 37. 37 yr old QBs don't have bounce-back seasons after a couple of years of crappy play. They just don't.
Draft gurus like Colin and Sy have noted that Eli has been playing poorly for years, as have numerous other knowledgeable football posters on this site. And yet so many BBIers think, like you do, that Eli can somehow bounce back and be good again. The odds are pretty high that it's not going to happen.
Darnold is the only QB who should be picked at #2. Just because the Bills and Jets are desperate to take a QB doesn’t mean the Giants should be.
Personally I think the Browns take Darnold and the Giants take Barkley. If the Browns are stupid enough to take Allen at #1 then Darnold will probably be the pick. Though I can see the Giants still taking Barkley in that scenario.
Each QB has their question marks.
I can see why certain people like different candidates. I personally love Mayfield. He's a winner. He's good and he's a natural leader. I think sitting behind Eli for a year or so will help his maturity.
2-3-4. RB, OL and CB in no particular order. Love the idea of adding a Sony Michel.
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rd 1 take Rosen or Mayfield.
Rd 2 take on OL -- he should be good enough to start.
Rd 3a take a DL. -- he should be good enough to start.I think between Settle, Mcintosh, or BJ Hill they can start and one would probably be available to draft.
Rd 3b take a CB -- he might be good enough to supplant Apple. Or at least be a solid nickle.
Rd 4 either OL or RB -
2. Daniels/Price/Wynn -- one of those three OL should be there
3. Braden Smith OG/OT
3. Darius Leonard LB
4. Royce Freeman RB
5. Tre'Quan Smith WR
I'd be shocked if SMith is available in RD 3.
If there are no trades, then take Barkley and BPA where primary needs by round should be OL, OL, DB, WR, LB...
For straight up trades, if we trade our second pick with Cleveland, it must get us at least #4, #33 and #35. Assuming they take Barkley, we take Chubb, Hernandez/Wynn/Ragnow and Michel. If we trade with Denver, it must get us #5, #40, #71 and a 2019 second round pick. Assuming Barkley and Chubb taken, we take Nelson, Michel, Wynn/Ragnow/Price with first three pics. And if we trade with Buffalo, it must be #12, #22, #53 and 2019 first round pick. This would then be something like Vea, McGlinchey, Michel, Ragnow/Price in our first four pics.
The three way CLE-BUF trade nets us #4, #22 and possibly #64. This would be Chubb, McGlinchey, Michel, Ragnow/Price in our first four pics.
Best of all worlds is a process of sequential trades with four teams. Assuming Browns open with Darnold, we then trade first with Cleveland when we are on the clock sending our second pick for #4, #33 and #35. Then after Barkley and Mayfield are taken, Denver wants to move up to get Rosen and we trade #4 for #5 and #40. When we are on the clock, Buffalo wants to get Allen so for the #5, they trade us #12, #22 and #53. Indianapolis is then on the clock and we trade up to #6 by sending #12, #35 and #53. That leaves us with: #6, #22, #33 and #40 for the second pick. So we then take with our first five picks Chubb, McGlinchey, Michel, Wynn/Ragnow, Landry.
Thursday can't get here soon enough!
...we've got to cluster draft offensive lineman.
Must come out of this draft with one immediate starter at either RG or RT and one high quality back-up who can step-in when called upon in Year One.
If we fail at this, no high quality running back, cornerback or anyone else will turn this big ugly ship around.
So where does your team ever find a QB?
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Is a false premise.
Thinking that the Giants do NOT have a QB problem is actually the false premise.
Even if you're too blind to see that Eli has played poorly the last couple of years...Eli is 37. I'm guessing that the list of 37 yr old QBs that have had bounce-back seasons after two crappy ones is a very short list...and it's entirely possible that no QB has ever had a career revival at 37. So yes, the Giants have a QB problem.
And since the QBs in next year's draft are not projected to be as strong as this year's class...combined with the likelihood that the Giants won't be picking near the top of the draft again...My draft strategy is trust the feedback you get from Shumur/Shula and pick the best QB at 2.
Then choose the best value in the remaining rounds, regardless of position.
The last two years the HC was a joke and the OL was horrible. And the new coach got to the NFC championship with Case Keenum. No, Eli can’t win all by himself like he did in 2011. But yes, he can be very effective if the running game is decent. Shurmur knows this fact.
Forcing picks is a horrible strategy.
You can make excuses for Eli all you want, but again, even if you're blind to his poor play for two years (not just last year) Eli is 37 and doesn't have much time left anyway.
And why is taking a QB at the top of the draft "forcing a pick"?
If the Giants made the trade with Buffalo then it's a virtual guarantee that QBs would go 1-2-3 in the draft.
Would all those teams be forcing a pick or would it be much more logical to assume that the QBs in this draft are considered worthy of being "top-of-the-draft" choices?
To your point regardless of whether Eli still has it or not even if he does it wont by for too much longer. I beleive he has a solid 2-3 year window though.
What have you seen in Eli's play over the last few years that makes you think he has "a solid 2-3 year window" (which I assume you mean of good play)?
He hasn't played well for years. He's 37. 37 yr old QBs don't have bounce-back seasons after a couple of years of crappy play. They just don't.
Draft gurus like Colin and Sy have noted that Eli has been playing poorly for years, as have numerous other knowledgeable football posters on this site. And yet so many BBIers think, like you do, that Eli can somehow bounce back and be good again. The odds are pretty high that it's not going to happen.
Jim Mac wasnt just a bad coach he was historically bad. You know Handley level bad. This was a team coming in with actual Super Bowl aspirations. And we finished 3-13. Eli showed plenty of flashes after Mac was gone. He has plenty of life in his arm left but needs the proper system and OL to be successful.
Shurmur by all indications should deliver that. And the OL with at least 1 plug and play starter from the draft and a sound scheme should be markedly improved.
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Is a false premise.
We had a SB winning OC, DC, coaching, and QB problem the last 5 years obviously.
This is wrong. I wonder if people watch the games anymore.
I would conjecture, with past injury history and taking big hits, Eli likely has the most left in the tank of the old qbs.
Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis you don't take a flier on a qb who doesn't WOW you. You give your qb the generationally transformational weapon to form an unstoppable combined arms style attack with your other generationally transformational wr like the army of Alexander the Great.
I would conjecture, with past injury history and taking big hits, Eli likely has the most left in the tank of the old qbs.
Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis you don't take a flier on a qb who doesn't WOW you. You give your qb the generationally transformational weapon to form an unstoppable combined arms style attack with your other generationally transformational wr like the army of Alexander the Great.
Herodotus could not have said it better himself!
Fortify the OL in the draft. There should be good value to be had at OL.
Don’t trade down unless you are getting at least a first round pick in 2019.
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