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What is your draft strategy for improving the Giants?

wgenesis123 : 4/22/2018 6:47 am
It doesn't have to be complex but please no BPA. Any knucklehead can go BPA and end up with 5 or 6 new running backs for the Giants. My preference for round one is trading down and getting Nelson or Chubb. If Cleveland takes Chubb with one of their picks, make it Barkley or Nelson. So if your taking a QB or Barkley at 2, what else are you doing with the remaining picks to improve the team? Your pick at 2 can limit the Giants this year and next year in improving the team. For example Barkley at 2, how are you going to solve the QB problem? You have limited picks and no ammo to go get a QB next year. Do you think Barkley makes Eli and Webb better for the next 2 to 4 years to solve that issue? If you go QB you also have very limited picks to improve the team but you have maybe solved the number one issue for the Giants. How will you build around your young QB this year and next? If you have thought these things out, I am interested in what you think. Please post it.
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RE: RE: Taking a QB when a better player is on the board  
RobCarpenter : 4/22/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13924916 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13924832 RobCarpenter said:


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Is what I mean by forcing a pick.





So where does your team ever find a QB?


Anywhere in the draft that the value is right.
RE: Football, more than any major sport is one thing  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 4/22/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 13924924 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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It's a game of economy.

I would conjecture, with past injury history and taking big hits, Eli likely has the most left in the tank of the old qbs.

Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis you don't take a flier on a qb who doesn't WOW you. You give your qb the generationally transformational weapon to form an unstoppable combined arms style attack with your other generationally transformational wr like the army of Alexander the Great.


Lol well put. We have heard mutliple guys on the Giants talk about him having a few years left. A few more days to find out.
Strategy is largely dependent on Philosophy  
Peppers : 4/22/2018 2:32 pm : link
I think it is imperative that all analytical decision making and implementation processes are oriented to making sure that the risk can be minimized before focusing on the potential reward.

Then organize the information gathered (through film study, visits, and analytical data) to facilitate rational analysis.. Apply it with the understanding that the ultimate goal (obviously a Super Bowl), is more likely to be obtained after building a consistently winning football team. It's important not be short sighted in this process.

With the amount of holes on the roster, one strategy will not be suitable for filling all voids in one draft. So forget even attempting that lol. Most strategies I've read so far have deeply embedded bias. The draft is very unpredictable. The key here is to have a flexible strategy.

Grades on each prospects, fit with scheme, positional value, medicals, need awareness, resource allocation, and foresight are are all apart of the equation when it comes to building the board and coming away with the best possible draft.

My approach in life and coaching would carry over to the draft war room as well. Being passive will get you what's left and more often than not leave you with regrets.. While being aggressive will give you a better chance at getting you what you want. Far to often I hear "let the draft fall to you" and I can't disagree more. When you have an opportunity to dictate the results you do it. Obviously, calculated risk. Just like dialing up a blitz on the field.

I think the optimal scenario is trading down  
Go Terps : 4/22/2018 3:13 pm : link
I've gone back and forth on the "blue chip" guys, and it's tough to have conviction on any of them. I have greater conviction in the idea of increasing the number of young cost controlled talent in the roster.

In the BBI mock draft I selected for Colts, who had a slew of picks owing to their trade down with the Jets. At the top of the second round I was able to get both Sony Michel and DJ Moore, and there were a lot of other good players available. A trade down could still net us Rudolph or Lauletta, plus other prospects.

If we have a conviction that Darnold is a great prospect, we should take him and be happy. I personally don't feel the same conviction for him or the other guys that I did in 2004. Then, it HAD to be Eli. Now, I don't think it HAS to be anybody. Given that, I trade down.
RE: Football, more than any major sport is one thing  
giantstock : 4/22/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13924924 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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It's a game of economy.

I would conjecture, with past injury history and taking big hits, Eli likely has the most left in the tank of the old qbs.

Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis you don't take a flier on a qb who doesn't WOW you. You give your qb the generationally transformational weapon to form an unstoppable combined arms style attack with your other generationally transformational wr like the army of Alexander the Great.


It's a game of economy which so why you take the QB. Otherwise you wind up paying $30m for a sub par QB in the future.

There is a reason why in terms of positional value the QB is so much further ahead than the RB.

ANd for anyone to suggest with sub par lousy QB play that a team can have an unstoppable offense is beyond ridiculous. This just highlights the fact there are those that have no understanding of what positional value means/ translates to ON THE FIELD.
RE: RE: RE: Taking a QB when a better player is on the board  
giantstock : 4/22/2018 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13924953 RobCarpenter said:
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In comment 13924916 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 13924832 RobCarpenter said:


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Is what I mean by forcing a pick.





So where does your team ever find a QB?



Anywhere in the draft that the value is right.


Is this a joke?
It is pretty simple...  
EricJ : 4/22/2018 4:44 pm : link
draft guys who can actually play and contribute in the NFL. Let's start with that. When you look back at Reese's player success rate through the draft, this would be ground breaking.
RE: RE: RE: Taking a QB when a better player is on the board  
Jimmy Googs : 4/22/2018 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13924953 RobCarpenter said:
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In comment 13924916 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 13924832 RobCarpenter said:


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Is what I mean by forcing a pick.





So where does your team ever find a QB?



Anywhere in the draft that the value is right.


Oh, the Tom Brady approach....good luck with that.
I like your thinking there especially the Josh Jackson pick  
Bluesbreaker : 4/22/2018 6:50 pm : link
replaces DRC we need speed at DB .
Barkley by himself is good for 2-3 wins ...  
Manny in CA : 4/23/2018 12:26 am : link

That's 5-11, or 6-10;The addition of FA Nate Solder and draft picks Hernandez, Bozeman ads 3 more; that's 9-7. A big complimentary receiver like Fl. States's Auden adds 1 more, that 10-7, a big fast CB (to replace DRC adds another), that's 11-5; a solid replacement for JPP takes us to 12-4.

I know, I'm shooting for the stars, but. bottomline, if we do an OUTSTANDING job of drafting, 10 or 11 wins can get us into the dance. We still have a Super Bowl QB who knows how to win the big games, if we give him the protection and weapons.
I would go with  
illmatic : 4/23/2018 1:03 am : link
Darnold at 2 if he's there, if not then go for Barkley. BPA in the following rounds but there should be some very nice OL available in the early second and I'd look at that to help improve the line for Eli + Darnold or Barkley, whoever they went with. Get someone to help out Bettcher in the third.

I'd also strongly consider signing Dez to a reasonable one year prove it deal. Cut his ass immediately if he becomes a problem. If you have Eli, Barkley, OBJ, Dez, Shepard, Engram with an improved line, good luck trying to stop that offense next year. And I'm sure Bettcher will have those guys ready to play well on the other side of the ball. I think that's a potential playoff team if the line improves and there aren't any huge season ending Odell-like injuries early on.
RE: One mo' time...  
.McL. : 4/23/2018 1:22 am : link
In comment 13924912 M.S. said:
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...we've got to cluster draft offensive lineman.

Must come out of this draft with one immediate starter at either RG or RT and one high quality back-up who can step-in when called upon in Year One.

If we fail at this, no high quality running back, cornerback or anyone else will turn this big ugly ship around.


Agreed we need to cluster draft OL, maybe throw in a CB too.

Need to trade down for this though, need a good partner.
Do what reese and Co failed to do...  
Torrag : 4/23/2018 9:49 am : link
...draft players that are scheme comptible with what we do. They attempted to fit way too many square pegs into round holes. The other thing is to draft smart and mentally agile players.
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